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If You know people, you can divide this country easily. Consider the former sec gen of the commonwealth chief Emeka Anyaoku, Consider Ibrahim Agboola Gambari Fmr Nig Rep At UN etc. They Are on first name terms wt those who can split the country

Who be this North sef, it not their fault sha na Jonathan cause am.

masterpolyglot:
I am a patriotic Nigerian and a Yoruba man. If secession will feed your family, go ahead.

And I pray seccesion will make you man up for once

PureMe01:
nobody is dominating anybody.An average Yoruba man will prefer to die for an Hausa/Fulani than defend d interest of An Igbo man/NigerDeltan that's y it looks like d Yoruba's are sidelined by d SS/SE...ok now,y did NigerDelta militants issue a reprisal quick notice to both Hausa/Fulanis and Yorubas in retaliation to wat d Northerners alone acted??cos we see u guys as same to be frank,forget joke

your premises are invalidating your conclusion. the impression you have against Yoruba are just what u read online and what your people say among theirselves


my bro do JTB among Yoruba in regards to your claims and u will have a renew impression

TonyeBarcanista:
Which one is 1963 Constitution again? Are they clamoring for return to the faulty and abused parliamentary system? These people should stop complicating things for us.

We want resource control, fiscal federalism and power devolution to federating units not a complete return to 1963 Constitution

With all your so-called education, i'm afraid to say that you lack sound cognitive reasoning.

The 1999 constitution is a northern military document with no input from any southerner and middle-belter and must be thrown into the trashcan.

In any case, those asking for 1963 constitution across the south and middle-belt know far better than you.

Adebowale89:
your premises are invalidating your conclusion. the impression you have against Yoruba are just what u read online and what your people say among theirselves


my bro do JTB among Yoruba in regards to your claims and u will have a renew impression

well my good friend I wanna believe u are different from d rest I Ve met

Adebowale89:
your premises are invalidating your conclusion. the impression you have against Yoruba are just what u read online and what your people say among theirselves


my bro do JTB among Yoruba in regards to your claims and u will have a renew impression

the Time has come to split the country with intellectual power!

janykute:
Why taking panadol for another man's headache?wont you rather be happy if SE doesn't perform.This una reminder of how south east will be like South Sudan don too much.Think about how to move your own region and leave south east alone for Christ's sake.I am sure Awolowo was thinking the same way when he gave us his £20.

Who is talking about south Sudan here. people only refer to that one when they see SE always attaching SS to every of their movement because they felt SS might want to stand alone and if their leader are leader of vision they progress mightily. But for south East its not my business that their looks barren what I'm saying is the hate speech from ipob and self hype their followers against other region would tell in future.

Stingman:
If you think that I inferred that the Yorubas became pro north after the 2015 election...then you are an infant...an infant that thinks with his feet, for that matter...Forget about political permutations, it is an obvious fact...You may review comments on social media before 2015, to see how silly you are...

A fool is using nairaland comment as facts
it really shows you are not silly

PureMe01:
pls tell him.Yorubas are Northerners to a default

You must need have a checkup, please do it asap.

victorDanladi:
God forbid bad thing


The day yorubas will start behaving like you guys and the north will never come.We can approve southeast association with southsouth because that is the only way southeast can survive

we ain't begging u to align with the SS/SE but stop being d stooge for d dull Hausa/Fulani I believe u are far better

PureMe01:
well my good friend I wanna believe u are different from d rest I Ve met

neutralize your past impression and try meet Yoruba you will understand their plight in unity with other southerners

victorDanladi:
A fool is using nairaland comment as facts
it really shows you are not silly

A fool thinks that social media end with Nairaland...It really shows you are not foolish

PureMe01:
we ain't begging u to allign with the SS/SE but stop being d stooge for d dull Hausa/Fulani I believe u are far off better than

By your logic,it will be advisable for you guys not to be stooge of Southsouth,you are better of...take care

BlakKluKluxKlan:
You must need have a checkup, please do it asap.

lmao..u wan kill me with laff as u reply my own post.bros but no be lie nah

Why is it that the south are always fighting each other? Why the serious hate?

though “the constitution we are currently operating was hurriedly put together by the military in order for them to hand over power to civilians,” there were better ways to improve on it.


A good acknowledgement from arewa youth. Hurriedly put together by a few military clique representing only a minute section of the north and only one out of three religions in the country. Certainly, that cannot be said to be a constitution ?.

SHTFguy:
And I pray seccesion will make you man up for once

I have been to places and done things internet fools like you can only imagine. Just keep your ndigbo nonsense to yourself cos no one gives a dam.n outside your mudlands. Your people are the specialists in pitching their tents in other people's region, not the Yorubas, your dum.b skull should tell you that. Insignificant fools ranting online 24/7.

hammerFU:
Wateva, remove the SS/SE entirely from your caution.

If u want to talk to yorubas do so.

Dont eva place us together.

they are their slaves

JuneOctober:
Why is it that the south are always fighting each other? Why the serious hate?

The Three Main Nations Are Somewhat Always At Loggerheads And That Will Turn To Healthy Competition When Nigeria Is Dissolved

tollyboy5:
Who is talking about south Sudan here. people only refer to that one when they see SE always attaching SS to every of their movement because they felt SS might want to stand alone and if their leader are leader of vision they progress mightily. But for south East its not my business that their looks barren what I'm saying is the hate speech from ipob and self hype their followers against other region would tell in future.

We the SE has never bothered or cared about what other regions will look like if eventually this separation becomes a reality,but no Biafran topics on this forum goes without your guys reminding us of what SE will look like when we finally separate.And that brings to my question again why taking panadol for another man's headache?

tollyboy5:
Who is talking about south Sudan here. people only refer to that one when they see SE always attaching SS to every of their movement because they felt SS might want to stand alone and if their leader are leader of vision they progress mightily. But for south East its not my business that their looks barren what I'm saying is the hate speech from ipob and self hype their followers against other region would tell in future.

The north is not even moved by SE noises ever since but just look at their restlessness since Yoruba summit.
To northerners since Sultan Bello, only Yorubas exist in the south!

PureMe01:
my good friend,I Dont have to tell u everything.u know d truth.
a Niger Deltan will defend an Igbo man's interest so does d Igbo man defend a Niger Deltan's interest anytime anyday cos its brotherly d way d Northerners do but a Yoruba man will choose to die for an Hausa/Fulani against d d interest of d SS/SE...very terrible!!

This orientation is tantamount to cluelessness

Hmmm, that's d country we live in,bias system of leadership,only shall tell, I propose revolution!!!

Stingman:
The north understands one language...Violence...

Can you imagine if the Igbos or Ijaws or Yorubas were the group killing people across the country like the Fulani herdsmen are doing? There would have since been massive riots in Kano, Katsina, Niger, Sokoto, Borno, Kaduna, Jigawa, Adamawa, Zamfara...killing christians and destroying the shops of southerners...Then the government would have ordered the army, navy, airforce, police and DSS to disarm the group within 24 hours...But now what do we have the Yorubas are mocking the Igbos and the Igbos are movking the Yorubas in turn...and the fulani herdsmen continue to rape,kill and raze down communities...no riots anywhere...How long shall the south continue living in this way?

The same goes for the constitution change. If the north wants it, they would deploy the same technique...They will send the almajiris to the streets to cause mayhem...and the government would listen...

PureMe01:
pls tell him.Yorubas are Northerners to a default

Some of you people lack historical dept hence you write based on hearsays to massage your ego. In what way is Yoruba pro-north ?

In the political history of Nigeria, the Yoruba has never aligned with the north until and except in the 2015 elections.

From independence, it has always been the old south-eastern region led by Azikiwe that had always acted in accordance with the whims and caprices of the north.

Even now, i'm sure that should the north offer to create one more state for the present SE, they will turn-coat and turn their back on biafra.

We know them.

lawani:
The Three Main Nations Are Somewhat Always At Loggerheads And That Will Turn To Healthy Competition When Nigeria Is Dissolved

I've noticed so much hate from mostly Igbos and Yorubas and I'm getting fed up. You feel secession is the best? Sometimes I feel the same way too because the nation seems to have crumbled already.

SHTFguy:
Dey there
Those afonjas are loyal to Sokoto alone

keep fooling yourself

TonyeBarcanista:
Which one is 1963 Constitution again? Are they clamoring for return to the faulty and abused parliamentary system? These people should stop complicating things for us.

We want resource control, fiscal federalism and power devolution to federating units not a complete return to 1963 Constitution

All these and many more are contained in 1963 Constitution. Get a copy or do a little research on that constitution

SHTFguy:
Dey there

Those afonjas are loyal to Sokoto alone

99% of Kwarans don't even speak Hausa except those that travelled outside to learn it. It is only in the warped mind of our eastern brothers that Kwara belongs to the Sokoto caliphate. King Zulu Gambari himself speaks Yoruba, he delivers sermons in Ilorin central mosque in Yoruba. Majority of his wives are Yoruba. One of my distant aunt was married to him. His children are Yoruba. Fulani and Yoruba are able to coexist peacefully for hundreds in Kwara without any issue.
I myself I enjoy the beautiful culture mix. The king has a big stable a stone throw to my house. I remember clearly as kids how we go there to watch horses and their riders perform awesome stunts. I never hated them and they never hated me. They allow us take pics on their horses while grownups were offered guided rides.
So it surprises me when I see some demented piglets who have never been to Kwara call Kwarans slaves. Are we suppose to hate them because they are not us? I pray lord open your eyes.

#proudlyafonja. None of your relatives can measure up to him, fact!

Stingman:
• 1963 Constitution, The Ideal Grundnorm – Middle Belt Ethnic Nationalities
• Going Back To 1963 Constitution Not Tenable-Arewa Youths
• Yakasai Supports Return To 1963 Constitution

Northern elders and youths have cautioned the Yoruba, their South East and South South neighbours over their clamour for the country’s restructuring, as well as return to the 1963 constitution.

The two groups, which vehemently opposed the recent resolution of the Yoruba at a summit tagged, “Restructuring: The Yoruba Agenda 2017,” alleged that sustained agitation for restructuring would, in the final analysis, not augur well for the growth and development of the nation.

Secretary General, Arewa Consultative Forum (ACF) Anthony Sani, told The Guardian, yesterday, that calls for restructuring by the coalition of Yoruba groups, and those from South East and South South, as well as the return to 1960 and 1963 constitution were “puzzling.”

Arewa youths’ position was made known by President of the Arewa Youths for Progress and Development (AYPD), Comrade Danjuma Sarki, who said though “the constitution we are currently operating was hurriedly put together by the military in order for them to hand over power to civilians,” there were better ways to improve on it.

Sani said the calls were “puzzling in the sense that these are people, who profess to be jaunty face of democratic values, and who are expected to know how democracy works. I would not be tired of saying that while there are national consensus on problems of a nation, there are no similar national consensus on solutions to these problems. Hence the significance of multi-party democracy, which allows each political party to present a distinct method of solution as contained in the party’s manifesto, which it used
to canvass for electoral mandate.”

Sani argued that, “for the Yoruba to now call for restructuring of the country on the basis of the 1963 constitution, gives an impression that they do not know how to make their desires possible in a multi-party democracy.”

He maintained that, however good and laudable restructuring of the country may be, it has to be decided by Nigerians through a democratic process; no few people can make that decision on behalf of Nigerians.

“I am not sure if their restructuring is the panacea for the national malaise we are in. I say this because Nigeria practiced the confederate arrangement as symbolised by regionalism and parliamentary systems of government during the First Republic. These were abolished and supplanted by a unitary system by General Aguyi Ironsi, who felt the centre under confederation was too weak to keep the nation under one roof.”

The ACF scribe added that, “the North and the West, under Chief Awolowo decided to create a federation of 12 states, which was a compromise between confederation and the unitary system,” noting that “since then, the states multiplied to 19, 30 and now 36, while we practice presidential system of government.”

Sani, who said some of those clamouring for the rejection of the 1999 constitution that is a clone of that of 1979 participated in its making, queried how the Federal Government under 1999 constitution, prevents state governments from living to their potential?

He said: “Lagos is developing today under the 1999 constitution, and nobody has stopped them from deploying what they collect from the federation account and internally generated revenue for development at their own pace. Is the Coalition of Yoruba groups claiming state governments misapply their own allocations because the sources are not from the states? This does not make sense. And can we honestly say the 52 per cent for the centre is truly too much in a country with many centres of centrifugal forces capable of putting it asunder? As far as I am concerned, there is nothing like true federalism that is universally accepted. That is why there are no two federal systems that are the same. Each federal system depends on the circumstance of its emergence…”

On how the nation can best be restructured under the present reality, the ACF Secretary General remarked: “as it is right now, the term restructuring means different things to different people. As a result, it is hard to take a position in a situation like that. And in order for Nigerians to make their informed judgment on restructuring, let political parties that wish to restructure the country include it in its manifestoes and canvass for electoral mandate needed for their implementation. I am sure when political parties campaign for their preferred model of restructuring the country, they would help to enlighten the public more about restructuring and make informed decisions during elections. That is how democracy works. It is not for the few people to meet and try to bulldoze the government into taking decisions in favour of far-reaching reforms of the polity. That course of action would not only be undemocratic, but also morally preposterous. This is more so because the current regime did not include specific type of restructuring in its manifesto.”

Sarki, the AYPD helmsman said: “To be realistic, going back to the 1963 constitution is not tenable,” adding that the country should rather review the 1963 to 1999 constitutions. If we look at issues that will promote the unity of Nigeria and propel growth in the country, that will bring everybody together and also promote the principle of inclusion.

“But, if you say that we should go back to 1963, that will be something that will be difficult to sustain. Just like the National Assembly is on the verge of amending the constitution, we can look at areas we think should be amended and make the necessary recommendations.

“The National Assembly should also take into consideration, positions that those, who elected them want. They should ensure that the interests of all regions are covered. Something that would bring about fairness, justice, equity and acceptability of the union called Nigeria. This is because most of the agitations for restructuring are borne out of the feelings of unfairness by people. We want to advise that those who are agitating for a return to the 1963 constitution should soft pedal so that we can move forward,” Sarki said.

For the Association of Middle Belt Ethnic Nationalities (ASMBEN), that the 1963 Republican Constitution was the ideal grundnorm for the country is not a novel development, what is novel, the group said is the urgency to return to it.

According to its interim chairman, Sule Kwasau, “Nigeria is hanging on a precipice and has never been divided on ethnic and religious lines as it is now. The 1999 constitution is fraught with so many anomalies, lies. The 1999 constitution is a military constitution and in making it, the powers that be were substantially from a section of the country and so the opinions of other sections of the country were never captured, as they had no representatives in the military leadership then.

“Why are some Nigerians nostalgic about the 1963 Republican Constitution as against the 1999 military constitution? It is simply because the 1999 constitution is a military constitution, but claims to be a federal constitution,” the interim leader said.

He continued: “The provisions contained therein cannot bring about even development. Again, the presidential system is very expensive, unlike the 1963 constitution, which recognises regions as federating units, with powers to do most of what is contained in the exclusive legislative list under the 1999 constitution.

The 1963 constitution also guarantees true federalism by providing for principles of derivation, which is 50 per cent for oil producing regions. It also encourages healthy competition among the diverse regions.”

Kwasau said his group, however, prefers the implementation of 2014 National Conference Report, “but if that is not possible, then a brand new constitution should be brought into existence.

“This is important because the constitutionally unrecognised six political zones of the federating units will short-change the Middle Belters because we were arbitrarily lumped with people we do not share the same culture with, eg, Southern Kaduna, Southern Kebbi, Southern Borno etc., who naturally belong to the Middle Belt. The other solution will be to create additional regions in the North to address our fears,” he said.

Meanwhile, contrary to the position of ACF, elder statesman, Tanko Yakasai, has thrown his weight behind the call for a return of the 1963 constitution.
In an exclusive interview with The Guardian, Yakasai, however, faulted the Ibadan meeting of the Yoruba, who called for the return of the same constitution on the premise that, the meeting failed to even understand that the 1963 constitution had only four regions not six as enunciated by the document that emanated from the meeting.

“I am speaking not on behalf of anybody, but on behalf of my humble self. As I am speaking with you now, I am 100 per cent in support of the return to the 1963 constitution. We had East, Mid-West, West and Northern regions only under that constitution. Not six regions as included in the document that was passed at Ibadan meeting,” challenged Yakasai.”

He added that none of those, who attended the meeting had any mandate from his people to go and take a position on those issues that were discussed at the meeting.

“Yes, as Nigerians we are all entitled to our opinions and expressions. But you cannot represent people without their legitimate mandate. Who then mandated those people to take such decisions? Mind you, you can only have people’s mandate through popular vote, by the electorate. So, who mandated those people to take such decisions? He asked rhetorically.

“Do you know that Yoruba traditional rulers and religious leaders were not part of the organisers of that meeting? So, in that scenario how can you now come and say this position is that of the Yoruba race? It doesn’t work like this,” he said.

The presence of thugs at the meeting, Yakasai said was an indicator that the document that was produced from the meeting was “completely faulty and pre-arranged.”

On the communiqué, the elder statesman said: “You cannot raise a communique from that meeting the way it was raised. Hundreds of people cannot, in any way, reach a resolution. Mind you, a resolution is a summation of the discussions that took place during a meeting.

“When a resolution is reached, it is then that you give the resolution to a communiqué committee to come up with a communiqué. But in case of the Ibadan meeting, there was nothing like that. And because of the presence of hired thugs, nobody could raise an eyebrow there,” Yakasai alleged.


http://guardian.ng/news/north-cautions-yoruba-southerners-on-clamour-for-1963-constitution/

See painment.....we all know you guys from the north will be worst than somali if we restructure.

If I hear any Igbo mention national conference there...

I said it before and I'll say it again.

Jonathan should never have convened that jamboree he called a national conference. It was a powerless meeting and a wasteful one to boot!

Any national conference that can be ignored or overruled by the national assembly is simply a waste of time and resources. Why? Because it lacks sovereign powers?

You igbos talking trash here. Why did you not ask your senators and federal reps to accept and push for the adoption of the recommendations of that conference? You kept mum because Ebele was your person and you wouldn'the mind your so-called marginalisation as long as he is president.

Bigotry has blinded you lot.

Tanko Yakassai, the arewa youth and their stooges in the SS/SE, you are off the mark.

The Ibadan summit represented the opinion of all yoruba elders/youths cutting across several groups and shades of opinion, at home and in diaspora.

However, you overlook the most important input from the youths who command the same if not more clout than the elders - that as far as they are concerned, events had overtaken restructuring, and Oduduwa Republic is what we want and we are not asking anybody to let go or for referendum - we are going to take over what rightfully belong to us, like it or not.
Therefore, your attempt at pacifying is a little too late.