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TonyeBarcanista:
Do you know what constitute war crime?

beamtopola:
with your right sense, do you think the military were suppose to be anywhere in the s s? what then happens to our internal security service? have they finish dealing with boko haram who are render thousand homeless?

Edenoscar2:
ehm shooting and killing unarmed civilians/protesters,arrest and torture of a particular set of people is a war crime except you have another definition

TonyeBarcanista:
By @TonyeBarcanista



I have been silent on the issue of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB for a while now but I think it is time to break the silence. Let me for the emphasis state that I am a full fledged apostle of the expression of the right of people to self-determination, but the agitation itself has some unwritten rules that must be maintained. The provocative actions of the leader of Indigenous People of Biafra, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu and his followers should no longer be taken for granted. Below are some of my reasons:

1. ESTABLISHMENT OF BSS IS AN AFFRONT TO THE STATE
The establishment of Biafra Security Service by Nnamdi Kanu, an outfit that is not regulated by any government organ (like in the case of local vigilante and private security outfit) is an affront to the State. A BSS that reports to NO ONE but a single individual, who report to no one but himself, is an affront to the federal republic. Some argued that they are armless, but do we have to wait for them terrorising civilians?

We have to be proactive in this country. We can't wait until they start bearing arms to terrorise and perpetrate evil before we act. The establishment of the outfit itself is an illegality

Security Agencies are either created by the Constitution or Act of Parliament and are supervised and regulated by federal or state government (as the case may be). I read that BSS claim their are to fight against herdsmen in the Southeast, my question is under what authority? Wher will they take a suspect to upon arrest? Will it be in their own detention facilities or that of Kanu? Will they issue punishment without trial considering that they have no legal backing to prosecute suspects? How can the government sit and watch a group operating illegal and parallel security outfit?

2. OBSTRUCTION OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND INCITE IS CRIMINAL
Nigeria Constitution, African Charter, United Nations Declarations and other international treaties guarantee "RIGHT/FREEDOM to conscience, hold opinion and association". These rights/freedoms are not subject to negotiation; preventing an individual or group from exercising his or hers is considered a criminal offence.

We have seen videos of IPOB members preventing and obstructing some politicians that are not aligned with their struggle from exercising their legitimate right to freely campaign and solicit for votes in the forthcoming election in Anambra state. They did it to state Governor Willie Obiano and another politician under PPA, which is undemocratic and criminal. As much as they have their right to their agitation, their right ends when it infringes on that of another citizen.

What about the inciting words of Nnamdi Kanu calling his supporters to "resist" any attempt to arrest him for breaking his own bail condition.

3. ATTACK ON CIVILIANS IN OYIGBO IS TERRORISM:
I was informed by an associate that there was attack on people of Northern extraction by IPOB loyalists yesterday in Oyigbo area of Rivers state but not Portharcourt or other areas of the state. Such incident has cancelled the sentiment of IPOB Youths and their apologists that they are nonviolent. It shows that their nonviolent gimmick is simply rhetoric to shore up sympathy. There is no justification to attack civilians even in time of war (it is considered a war crime). Perhaps some of the cheerleaders on social media are ignorant of the consequence of that singular action but ignorance is no excuse to the law.

THE GOVERNMENT MUST ACT IMMEDIATELY
There is a thin line between a freedom fighting group and a terrorist organisation. Secessionists in Europe like the Catalonia people don't engage attack on innocent citizens that doesn't share their ideology. Any secessionist group that attacks other non conforming citizens within their territory is no longer a freedom fighting group but a terrorist organisation. The Catalans fighting for independence don't engage in terrorising individuals and groups that are pro-Spain unity. The people of Scotland didn't attack the English people during the period of agitation for secession. Even in 1966 when Isaac Adaka Boro led his group to secede Ijaw nation from Nigeria and at the peak of the attack from government troops on his group, it was never heard nor written that civilians (irrespective of their sentiment) were attacked. Only terrorist organisations like Boko Haram and ISIS would attack real and perceived sympathisers of those they consider their "oppressors"/rivals.

It is time for the government to act and bring troublemakers to justice. Government must act to curb the excesses of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB group. They have the right to their agitation but they don't have the right to display insanity. I am always for justice irrespective whose ox is gored. I spoke against the attack on Igbos in Bayelsa, condemned the October 1st Ultimatum given to Igbo in the north and condemned the counter ultimatum issued by a group of faceless clowns that called themselves Niger Delta Agitators on Yorubas/North, I can't afford to keep silent this time. Nobody is bigger than the law.

Those that believe that the Southeast should have their Biafra should do so within the confines of the law and international standard, anything beyond that is call for trouble.

They have the right to boycott elections (just like MASSOB has been doing since 2003) but they have no right to obstruct campaign and political activities, they have no right to issue threats to prospective voters nor stop voting process. They have the right to be angry against the government and the military but they have NO RIGHT to pour their frustration on people of Northern extraction or any other citizen irrespective of sentiment. They have the right not to recognize Nigeria Police and any other security outfit but they have no right to establish their military/police wing (and still claiming armless). Nigeria belongs to all of us, we all have right to be angry over the sad situation of our country, but we have the duty to properly channel our grievances without inflicting injury on people.

We don't have to wait for reprisals before we do what is appropriate, government must act now.




May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

Afam4eva:
I've known you to always speak from both sides of your mouth, so i'm not susprised a your assertion. However, it's pertinent that i correct some false and dangerous half-truths especially as it relates to the supposed confrontation of the military by IPOB members.

All the times that this non physical confrontations have happened, it's the military that took the fight to the IPOB members except there's an occasion that i don't know about where IPOB members marched to military baracks to confront them. The army have always been the ones trying to disrupt the peaceful processions of pro Biafran groups. If you have any information to the contrary, let's have it. .

When an arm of government does not uphold the law, it cannot expect citizens to uphold the same law

TonyeBarcanista:
Did they establish their own security outfit?
Did they attack pro Trump guys in their midst?

TonyeBarcanista:
Video speak more than a trillion word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfYNitmbTgE




Then be prepared to be treated like enemies of the State and terrorists

TonyeBarcanista:
Did they establish their own security outfit?

Did they attack pro Trump guys in their midst?

TonyeBarcanista:
Video speak more than a trillion word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfYNitmbTgE




Then be prepared to be treated like enemies of the State and terrorists

sarrki:
It seems you lack unde......nding

Though its not common

TonyeBarcanista:
Who torture a particular set of people? I am aware that there was always confrontation between Army and IPOB youths who believe they own SE territory... If you feel there is a crime, why not go through the proper channel?

Why terrorise innocent citizens? And which country will allow a group to operate their own distinct police force?

attackgat:
Yes you have to wait. That is the rule of law. You have to wait for the law to be broken before you claim tge law is being broken. The law does not operate on assumptions, it operates on actions



How can it be illegal to give some people berets and call them whatever name? So if I buy ten berets and give my friends and we salute and call our ourselves whatever name, we are breaking the law? Come on man you should be more objective than that. Where have BSS broken the law? Or is wearing berets and saluting each other now a crime? You cannot criminalise a group just because you have a feeling that they may turn violent.

It is not illegal to set up a security outfit and you do not need an act of parliament. Their are diferent vigilante outfits all over Nigeria even in my area. They did not need any act of parliament. Neigbouthood watchdogs dont need any law because they have already been empowered by their consitutional right to protect property and life. It is for you to wait and see if BSS go beyond their contitutional rights to sekf preservation.

Stop lying. I have watched the same videos you watched and at no time preventing anyone from campaigning and neither dud they touch anybody. All IPOB did was campaign in the same public area that Obiano and the PPA aspirant did. Under the law, they are allowed to do that. It would have been a different thing if Obiano was campaigning in a private venue and IPOB went there, even that can be called disruption and not prevention.

IPOB has been in exitence for a long time with no report of attacking anyone until this recent operation Python dance and the heavyhanded methods of the Nigerian Army. Now you say that IPOB attacked Northerners, what I actually heard was that Northern Soldiers with the aid of Northerners, attacked IPOB who were about to leave to see Kanu in Umuahia. As everyone knows, IPOB have been killed severally in.the Portharcourt area. So who is telling the truth? Where are pictures of the attacked Northerners or their damaged properties? Where is proof of this attack abd more importantly, how do we know it is IPOB? A group that is well known for non violence doesnt become violent for no reason.




Before you call IPOB a violent organisation, back it up with proof, not word of mouth. IPOB doesnt get up and start being violent. In Umuahia, they were shot at which made them pelt officers (the video is youtube). In Aba they were shot at, the video is also available. What did the Army do in Obigbo to make a group that was about to go to Umuahia violent?

As for the Anambra election, IPOB is going for boycott, how can IPOB that is staying at home on election day be disrupting election?


You made not one single point except display your bias for IPOB

Odingo1:
You are biased in your writeup because of your inborn hatred on Igbo people.
1. Kanu have a case in court,why cant the government wait for the court to do their work, have Kanu refuse to appear in court to anwser his case?
2. IPOB in all their rallies are peaceful and doesn't carry weapons
3. The said BSS have they seen carrying weapon and killing anyone?
4. Why use military to molest civilians in Igboland because of one man,are all Igbos in support of Kanu?
5.Why using military to besiege the entire SE as if we are in war situation?
Make una take easy hating the Igbos that have not rule Nigeria for very long time and Nigeria is in total mess because the north want everything in Nigeria to belong to them.

If Hausas kill Igbos in the North,yorubas will start shouting that Igbos dont respect their host that they deserve to die,if Igbo kill hausa in the east Yorubas will start lamenting that Hausas in the North should retaliate in the north and kill Igbos back and when they do that then that Igbos should not shout genocide because they started it first,God is not man, he watches all of us, Igbos are not wanted in Nigeria, they should be allowed to have their own country

Edenoscar2:
yes we do own the land,you cant expect me to bow to hausa-fulani controlled nigeria when my ancestors has been for thousands of years and trust me the killings is being documented and very soon they will pay

TonyeBarcanista:
Then be prepared to be treated like enemies of the State and terrorists

beamtopola:
the video you post, does it makes any sense to you( OK, you were expecting them to go back from where they came from and they shouldn't go to where they were going to?

TonyeBarcanista:
Lool

TonyeBarcanista:
I see what you guys problem is..

TonyeBarcanista:
By @TonyeBarcanista



I have been silent on the issue of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB for a while now but I think it is time to break the silence. Let me for the emphasis state that I am a full fledged apostle of the expression of the right of people to self-determination, but the agitation itself has some unwritten rules that must be maintained. The provocative actions of the leader of Indigenous People of Biafra, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu and his followers should no longer be taken for granted. Below are some of my reasons:

1. ESTABLISHMENT OF BSS IS AN AFFRONT TO THE STATE
The establishment of Biafra Security Service by Nnamdi Kanu, an outfit that is not regulated by any government organ (like in the case of local vigilante and private security outfit) is an affront to the State. A BSS that reports to NO ONE but a single individual, who report to no one but himself, is an affront to the federal republic. Some argued that they are armless, but do we have to wait for them terrorising civilians? We have to be proactive in this country. We can't wait until they start bearing arms to terrorise and perpetrate evil before we act. The establishment of the outfit itself is an illegality. Security Agencies are either created by the Constitution or Act of Parliament and are supervised and regulated by federal or state government (as the case may be). I read that BSS claim their are to fight against herdsmen in the Southeast, my question is under what authority? Wher will they take a suspect to upon arrest? Will it be in their own detention facilities or that of Kanu? Will they issue punishment without trial considering that they have no legal backing to prosecute suspects? How can the government sit and watch a group operating illegal and parallel security outfit?

2. OBSTRUCTION OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND INCITE IS CRIMINAL
Nigeria Constitution, African Charter, United Nations Declarations and other international treaties guarantee "RIGHT/FREEDOM to conscience, hold opinion and association". These rights/freedoms are not subject to negotiation; preventing an individual or group from exercising his or hers is considered a criminal offence.

We have seen videos of IPOB members preventing and obstructing some politicians that are not aligned with their struggle from exercising their legitimate right to freely campaign and solicit for votes in the forthcoming election in Anambra state. They did it to state Governor Willie Obiano and another politician under PPA, which is undemocratic and criminal. As much as they have their right to their agitation, their right ends when it infringes on that of another citizen.

What about the inciting words of Nnamdi Kanu calling his supporters to "resist" any attempt to arrest him for breaking his own bail condition.

3. ATTACK ON CIVILIANS IN OYIGBO IS TERRORISM:
I was informed by an associate that there was attack on people of Northern extraction by IPOB loyalists yesterday in Oyigbo area of Rivers state but not Portharcourt or other areas of the state. Such incident has cancelled the sentiment of IPOB Youths and their apologists that they are nonviolent. It shows that their nonviolent gimmick is simply rhetoric to shore up sympathy. There is no justification to attack civilians even in time of war (it is considered a war crime). Perhaps some of the cheerleaders on social media are ignorant of the consequence of that singular action but ignorance is no excuse to the law.

THE GOVERNMENT MUST ACT IMMEDIATELY
There is a thin line between a freedom fighting group and a terrorist organisation. Secessionists in Europe like the Catalonia people don't engage attack on innocent citizens that doesn't share their ideology. Any secessionist group that attacks other non conforming citizens within their territory is no longer a freedom fighting group but a terrorist organisation. The Catalans fighting for independence don't engage in terrorising individuals and groups that are pro-Spain unity. The people of Scotland didn't attack the English people during the period of agitation for secession. Even in 1966 when Isaac Adaka Boro led his group to secede Ijaw nation from Nigeria and at the peak of the attack from government troops on his group, it was never heard nor written that civilians (irrespective of their sentiment) were attacked. Only terrorist organisations like Boko Haram and ISIS would attack real and perceived sympathisers of those they consider their "oppressors"/rivals.

It is time for the government to act and bring troublemakers to justice. Government must act to curb the excesses of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB group. They have the right to their agitation but they don't have the right to display insanity. I am always for justice irrespective whose ox is gored. I spoke against the attack on Igbos in Bayelsa, condemned the October 1st Ultimatum given to Igbo in the north and condemned the counter ultimatum issued by a group of faceless clowns that called themselves Niger Delta Agitators on Yorubas/North, I can't afford to keep silent this time. Nobody is bigger than the law.

Those that believe that the Southeast should have their Biafra should do so within the confines of the law and international standard, anything beyond that is call for trouble.

They have the right to boycott elections (just like MASSOB has been doing since 2003) but they have no right to obstruct campaign and political activities, they have no right to issue threats to prospective voters nor stop voting process. They have the right to be angry against the government and the military but they have NO RIGHT to pour their frustration on people of Northern extraction or any other citizen irrespective of sentiment. They have the right not to recognize Nigeria Police and any other security outfit but they have no right to establish their military/police wing (and still claiming armless). Nigeria belongs to all of us, we all have right to be angry over the sad situation of our country, but we have the duty to properly channel our grievances without inflicting injury on people.

We don't have to wait for reprisals before we do what is appropriate, government must act now.




May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

TonyeBarcanista:
By @TonyeBarcanista



I have been silent on the issue of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB for a while now but I think it is time to break the silence. Let me for the emphasis state that I am a full fledged apostle of the expression of the right of people to self-determination, but the agitation itself has some unwritten rules that must be maintained. The provocative actions of the leader of Indigenous People of Biafra, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu and his followers should no longer be taken for granted. Below are some of my reasons:

1. ESTABLISHMENT OF BSS IS AN AFFRONT TO THE STATE
The establishment of Biafra Security Service by Nnamdi Kanu, an outfit that is not regulated by any government organ (like in the case of local vigilante and private security outfit) is an affront to the State. A BSS that reports to NO ONE but a single individual, who report to no one but himself, is an affront to the federal republic. Some argued that they are armless, but do we have to wait for them terrorising civilians? We have to be proactive in this country. We can't wait until they start bearing arms to terrorise and perpetrate evil before we act. The establishment of the outfit itself is an illegality. Security Agencies are either created by the Constitution or Act of Parliament and are supervised and regulated by federal or state government (as the case may be). I read that BSS claim their are to fight against herdsmen in the Southeast, my question is under what authority? Wher will they take a suspect to upon arrest? Will it be in their own detention facilities or that of Kanu? Will they issue punishment without trial considering that they have no legal backing to prosecute suspects? How can the government sit and watch a group operating illegal and parallel security outfit?

2. OBSTRUCTION OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN AND INCITE IS CRIMINAL
Nigeria Constitution, African Charter, United Nations Declarations and other international treaties guarantee "RIGHT/FREEDOM to conscience, hold opinion and association". These rights/freedoms are not subject to negotiation; preventing an individual or group from exercising his or hers is considered a criminal offence.

We have seen videos of IPOB members preventing and obstructing some politicians that are not aligned with their struggle from exercising their legitimate right to freely campaign and solicit for votes in the forthcoming election in Anambra state. They did it to state Governor Willie Obiano and another politician under PPA, which is undemocratic and criminal. As much as they have their right to their agitation, their right ends when it infringes on that of another citizen.

What about the inciting words of Nnamdi Kanu calling his supporters to "resist" any attempt to arrest him for breaking his own bail condition.

3. ATTACK ON CIVILIANS IN OYIGBO IS TERRORISM:
I was informed by an associate that there was attack on people of Northern extraction by IPOB loyalists yesterday in Oyigbo area of Rivers state but not Portharcourt or other areas of the state. Such incident has cancelled the sentiment of IPOB Youths and their apologists that they are nonviolent. It shows that their nonviolent gimmick is simply rhetoric to shore up sympathy. There is no justification to attack civilians even in time of war (it is considered a war crime). Perhaps some of the cheerleaders on social media are ignorant of the consequence of that singular action but ignorance is no excuse to the law.

THE GOVERNMENT MUST ACT IMMEDIATELY
There is a thin line between a freedom fighting group and a terrorist organisation. Secessionists in Europe like the Catalonia people don't engage attack on innocent citizens that doesn't share their ideology. Any secessionist group that attacks other non conforming citizens within their territory is no longer a freedom fighting group but a terrorist organisation. The Catalans fighting for independence don't engage in terrorising individuals and groups that are pro-Spain unity. The people of Scotland didn't attack the English people during the period of agitation for secession. Even in 1966 when Isaac Adaka Boro led his group to secede Ijaw nation from Nigeria and at the peak of the attack from government troops on his group, it was never heard nor written that civilians (irrespective of their sentiment) were attacked. Only terrorist organisations like Boko Haram and ISIS would attack real and perceived sympathisers of those they consider their "oppressors"/rivals.

It is time for the government to act and bring troublemakers to justice. Government must act to curb the excesses of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB group. They have the right to their agitation but they don't have the right to display insanity. I am always for justice irrespective whose ox is gored. I spoke against the attack on Igbos in Bayelsa, condemned the October 1st Ultimatum given to Igbo in the north and condemned the counter ultimatum issued by a group of faceless clowns that called themselves Niger Delta Agitators on Yorubas/North, I can't afford to keep silent this time. Nobody is bigger than the law.

Those that believe that the Southeast should have their Biafra should do so within the confines of the law and international standard, anything beyond that is call for trouble.

They have the right to boycott elections (just like MASSOB has been doing since 2003) but they have no right to obstruct campaign and political activities, they have no right to issue threats to prospective voters nor stop voting process. They have the right to be angry against the government and the military but they have NO RIGHT to pour their frustration on people of Northern extraction or any other citizen irrespective of sentiment. They have the right not to recognize Nigeria Police and any other security outfit but they have no right to establish their military/police wing (and still claiming armless). Nigeria belongs to all of us, we all have right to be angry over the sad situation of our country, but we have the duty to properly channel our grievances without inflicting injury on people.

We don't have to wait for reprisals before we do what is appropriate, government must act now.




May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

Odingo1:
You are biased in your writeup because of your inborn hatred on Igbo people.
1. Kanu have a case in court,why cant the government wait for the court to do their work, have Kanu refuse to appear in court to anwser his case?
2. IPOB in all their rallies are peaceful and doesn't carry weapons
3. The said BSS have they seen carrying weapon and killing anyone?
4. Why use military to molest civilians in Igboland because of one man,are all Igbos in support of Kanu?
5.Why using military to besiege the entire SE as if we are in war situation?
Make una take easy hating the Igbos that have not rule Nigeria for very long time and Nigeria is in total mess because the north want everything in Nigeria to belong to them.

If Hausas kill Igbos in the North,yorubas will start shouting that Igbos dont respect their host that they deserve to die,if Igbo kill hausa in the east Yorubas will start lamenting that Hausas in the North should retaliate in the north and kill Igbos back and when they do that then that Igbos should not shout genocide because they started it first,God is not man, he watches all of us, Igbos are not wanted in Nigeria, they should be allowed to have their own country.
During the GEJ era,Igbos were killed in their numbers in Mubi,Adamawa state and Kano yet no retaliation in the east and no voices will condemn it.

Stingman:
Once the international estbalisment are able to state that we have right to defend ourselves..You will change from Lool to OMG...
You can mock all you can at the moment!

sarrki:
Ipobs can never agree with what is right

omenka:
Are you ready for their onslaught?

TonyeBarcanista:
My hatred for Ndigbo? I bet you that you don't love Igbo more than I do.
BTW when did IPOB led by KANU become synonymous with Igbo?

Which civilian was molested in Igbo land? Are you referring to IPOB confrontation with Army?



And when have you seen anybody justify the killings of Igbo up north? Even the 2011 madness, almost all tribes down south lost their loved ones, it wasn't an Igbo thing.

Odingo1:
IPOB led by Kanu are Igbos and some SS minorities,killing of unarmed civillians be it IPOB members or anybody should be condemned.
The millitary have no business at Nnamdi Kanu house,you are shouting follow due process to achieve Biafra why your government is not following due process.
You didnt answer any question thrown to you, a man has a case in court and government is using military to kill people and intimidate him and you here supporting injustice because you hate a particular people.

TonyeBarcanista:
Who is the international establishment?

Odingo1:
IPOB led by Kanu are Igbos and some SS minorities,killing of unarmed civillians be it IPOB members or anybody should be condemned.
The millitary have no business at Nnamdi Kanu house,you are shouting follow due process to achieve Biafra why your government is not following due process.
You didnt answer any question thrown to you, a man has a case in court and government is using military to kill people and intimidate him and you here supporting injustice because you hate a particular people.

TonyeBarcanista:
That they are Igbos doesn't make the group synonymous to Igbo tribe. It remains a group....

Which people did military kill? Those that confronted them or those sitting in their houses and doing their normal business?