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| GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 10:51pm On Oct 13, 2017*. Modified: 11:41pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Goodluck Jonathan: I begin this write-up by saying that I mean no ill-thought towards the Biafran struggle or Igbos in general. What I’ve written here are mainly my personal reflections concerning the Niger Delta, especially with regards to non-Igbo groups and their stake in the Biafran movement which has been rebirthed for some time now. I am not a mouthpiece for the Niger Delta but I believe I’ve been in the Niger Delta long enough to know our problems and our stand. I’ve also interacted with many Niger Deltans to know their stand in the Biafran struggle. When I use the term Niger Delta, I am referring to the region covering Delta, Edo, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom, and Cross River states. However, I understand that the region also covers Ondo, Imo, and Abia states. I’m not concerned with the latter because they are either Igbos or Yorubas and have their own struggles. The ethnic groups within my coverage include Urhobo-Isoko, Bini, Esan, Itsekiri, Ijaw-Epie-Ogbia, Ogoni, Afemai, Efik-Annang-Eket-Oron-Ibibio, Ogoja, Ejagham, and other groups in Cross River North. Ikwerre, Ukwuani, Ika, Aniocha, Ogba, and other Igboid groups, are not included. Historically, Biafra covered all the Niger Delta states EXCEPT Delta and Ondo states. This fact must be emphasised. [b]Pro-Biafrans are welcome to debate and address my issues in a civil manner. I understand that most pro-Biafrans resort to insults when salient issues are addressed [/B] Please let’s set a good precedence from hereon. 1. Biafra may not be better for Niger Deltans because Niger Deltans may end up living one form of subjugation for another. The argument Igbos have made for their freedom is the desire to be free from Hausa-Yoruba domination. That argument also applies to the average Niger Deltan. Igbo, no doubt, will be the major ethnic group if Biafra is actualised. Ijaws may have a stake due to their numbers. What about the Ogonis, Urhobo-Isokos, Itsekiris, Efiks, etc? Where will they fit in at the national level? The sad reality is that another Nigeriawill just be made manifest and resentments will build up. What will really be the fate of minorities? Will they fare better in Biafra or alone? In Nigeria, big groups such as Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo checkmate each other’s excesses very well. Who will checkmate that of Igbos in the new nation? 2. Where will the capital be located? If we are to follow the notion of central location, the capital of Biafra won’t be Enugu but around Umuahia-Ikot Ekpene axis. Will Igbos allow their capital to be sited in a non-Igbo location? This is a very salient issue because you don’t expect the riverine Niger Deltan in Twon-Brass, for instance, to journey all the way to Enugu to see their President. It has to be a location where ALL BIAFRANS can access easily. Enugu won’t go. 3. The issue of annexation comes to play. For so long, e-Biafrans have annexed Niger Delta as part of the proposed nation. The map below shows us what Biafrans have drawn to constitute the new nation: If we judge from this map, it means all groups in the Niger Delta have been annexed. My question is whether the leaders of these groups have been consulted before the annexation was done. I, for one, know that Urhobo-Isoko and Efik-Ibibio leaders have not approved of Biafra neither have anybody in these regions declared Biafra. So how and why were they included in the proposed map? Little things like this bring distrust and I understand that many of these non-Igbo regions have disowned the map and pledged allegiance to Nigeria. The declaration by the Delta State government is a case in point. I see this as forceful annexation. The so-called e-Biafrans have also not done much in calming the nerves of the people of the annexed regions. I’ve seen comments such as “if you don’t like it, go and stay in Sokoto”, “all land in the South is Biafraland”, etc. Is it not ironic that a group of people who want freedom want to annexe others? 4. What languages will be made the official languages of the new nation? I have seen several posts by e-Biafrans where Igbo was proposed as the official language of the new republic. What then will happen to other languages such as Urhobo, Isoko, Okpe, Efik, Ibibio, Oron, Ogoni, Eleme, Okrika, Kalabari, Bini, Esan, etc? Will they die off because of Igbo? Certainly NOT! If English is made the official language, the Igbo majority factor will kick in. If your name isn’t Chukwuemeka or Oliseh, Amarachi or Nneka, etc, you won’t get any appointment nor shall you be recognised. These are things we can’t deny. We are very ethnocentric in Africa. 5. What and what have Igbo nation done for Niger Deltans to gain their trust? Every day I see Igbo youths making enemies where there were none. They constantly use the agency of the internet to sprout controversy, hurl insults at dissenters and make unfounded claims. There is this general air of mistrust for Igbos by some Niger Deltans, particularly by Urhobo-Isoko and Bini people. What have Igbos done to checkmate this? Has any Igbo leader or group extended the hand of friendship to the Niger Deltans. Mistrust cannot be wished away. Most Niger Deltans would rather follow Hausas as slaves than follow Igbos as kings. This is the real reality and truthfully, Igbos caused this. 6. Who will lead the new nation? Obviously, Nnamdi Kanu, their hero, has fought tooth and nails for Biafra and he is currently cooling off in jail. If Biafra comes today, who will be the interim leader and what modalities are in place for subsequent leaders to be elected? Igbos have been the only ones fighting for Biafra since time immemorial with a handful of other groups here and there. Will Igbos allow other groups to rule over them? Will they allow an Urhobo man to be President, for instance? This is not a case of mere wishing. We have to understand that Niger Delta groups MAY NEVER BE ALLOWED TO RULE BIAFRA IF IT IS ACTUALISED. 7. Still on the issue of leaders, are the new leaders going to fall from the skies or they are simply going to change addresses from Abuja to Enugu. If so, what will change in the new nation? It is not arguable that Igbo national leaders are the most corrupt persons in Nigeria. If these same people are the ones to rule the new nation then there is no hope because corruption will be so rife that the economy of the new nation will shut down like a knocked engine. If we argue that new and younger leaders will arise, we still have the issue of who fought for Biafra to contend with. Most pro-Biafrans will not allow someone who sat at the periphery of the struggle to just come and waltz power away from the “heroes” of Biafra. If this is true then we will not have a proper democracy in Biafra. 8. Will Biafra be a utopia? The impression that e-Biafrans give is that Biafra will be perfect and we all know for a fact that this is not true. Apart from the issue of corruption and sentimentalism that have been addressed, we still have the issue of development. Where will money be generated from to develop the nation? In the whole of the proposed Biafra, only Port Harcourt and Onitsha are economically viable cities. Where will the investors come from? Why should they invest in a volatile country? Only in Warri, we have Ijaw, Itsekiri and Urhobo at loggerheads, imagine what would happen to the whole nation. Secondly, I am sure that no Niger Deltan will allow his “oil” to be used to develop Enugu like what happened with Abuja, and is still happening today. Niger Deltans are getting wiser and by the time the new nation is formed, matters that border on oil, wealth distribution and infrastructural development will be raised. 9. The current structure of the proposed nation, as shown in the map earlier embedded, favour Igbos with more states. Urhobo has one, Efik-Ibibio has two, Itsekiri has none, etc. How will this be addressed? Certainly, every ethnic nationality will want adequate representation and so the structure on that map will never work. 10. Last, but not the least, is the issue of referendum. Some Biafrans are already calling for a referendum which will involve all parts of the proposed nation. I am pretty sure how this referendum will turn out. However, for the sake of being hypothetical, let us imagine that some ethnic groups/states vote against Biafra by the majority, what will be their fate at the end of the day? Secondly, will the result of such a referendum be true and honest? I understand that electoral malpractice forms a part of our identity. How are we going to get a true reflection of people’s thoughts? Thirdly, if states and ethnic groups do decide to vote for Biafra, what mechanisms are in place to contain Igbophobia, Igbomania, Igbocentrism, Igbo hegemony, Landgrabbing, and all issues that minorities have raised? Above are the reasons why I feel that Niger Deltans will NOT subscribe to the Biafran movement. I have been very practical, philosophical and hypothetical in my approach. I do not speak for any group or persons but I present these issues for the pro-Biafrans to address. Niger Deltans can raise more issues that I have not raised. Finally, it should be noted that I expect insults directed at my person by e-warriors and keyboard mercenaries, as usual, but I won’t pleasure such persons with answers or altercations. If you raise good points, we can discuss like intellectuals” http://www.hopefornigeriaonline.com/niger-deltans-want-part-biafra-goodluck-jonathan/
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| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 10:54pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
CC: lalasticlala front page BCC: ipoblogic Emma Powerful Uche Mefor Nnamdi Kanu IPOB e warriors. Civilize argument only.. please Mynd44 block anyone that talk trash like zoo and Co. thanks |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Jesusloveyou: 11:01pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Ineffectual buffoon vs idiotic pigs of Biafra |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Blue3k(m): 11:02pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
let's assume this isnt fake. Why ask for a debate after the guy been put on a milk carton. He called for a debate months ago only one reply. Kanu ducked the debate. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Ojiofor: 11:06pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
I am sure GEJ didn't say this. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by months: 11:10pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
FAKE |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 11:11pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Ojiofor:irrespective of who said it... the points reflect the sentiment of non Igbo Biafra It must be addressed. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Ojiofor: 11:15pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Kazim88:If you are not sure of who said it,why did you tag it to GEJ? Btw,is this platform the right place to address issues with non Igbo Biafrans? |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by cosby02(m): 11:19pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Waiting to see how intelligent IPOBs are. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by otil1: 11:34pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
months:Seconded! |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 11:34pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Ojiofor:oga open the link... Respond to his point... Those point are clue to aid campaign for ur referendum. dont do the mistake Nigeria did by thinking some tribe don't matter. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by otil1: 11:45pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Kazim88:You wonder what gave you away as fake? Look at the emboldened I'm Igbo, I don't want Biafra. Case closed. No argument. But a lot of what you wrote show ur Igbophobia rather than any intelligent argument. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Ojiofor: 11:49pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Kazim88:Ipob is doing real consultations with stake holders in Niger delta so I don't consider this your fabrication as necessary. Fake news like this won't help the struggle rather it will ridicule genuine efforts on the ground. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 11:54pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
otil1:My personal opinion Igbo governors are nothing but disaster. They went to Abuja taking about Appointments... when they should stand their feet and tell buhari the gospel truth and the hard solution. they are there playing nice... beating round the bush. While the problem grows... Is not the same meeting Osinbajo did? with the same crooks... was their any effect. Buhari must talk with IPOB genuinely... they are the Key Opinion Leaders. all this his gra gra would soon disgrace him. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Yeligray(m): 11:56pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
fakkkkkkkke |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Nobody: 11:57pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
We the south-south crew have arrived ![]()
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| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Kazim88(op): 11:59pm On Oct 13, 2017 |
Ojiofor:Riddicule... The fact you are not seeing is... Nigeria is already totally divided. thanks to IPOB, Buhari and Arewa Youths. The question is... would this Biafra Igbo are calling be better... would we have a say.. what would be the situation. @ipoblogic have answer similar questions before perfectly well in one of his thread. I need him to answer it. I need Emma Powerful to address it. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Ojiofor: 12:01am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Kazim88:Are you Igbo or non Igbo Biafran? |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by chiagozien(m): 12:20am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Fake!.Goodluck has denial saying anything about biafra.is there on the news. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by otil1: 12:24am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Kazim88:In bold refers pls? I disagree with you that IPOB are the key Opinion Leaders. Gbupu aso! Tufiakwa! Since when? What has IPOB championed that will benefit the Igbos? To scatter Nigeria? To instigate crises in Kano? In Lagos? To kill Hausas in Aba? What opinion does IPOB project? To hate all your neighbours and burn bridges? Without doubt, IPOB, with the help of Buhari's 19th century approach, is the lowest the Igbos got since civil war. Let me share something with you. Forget all those talk about marginalisation. It's political and it's an elite thing. The Igbos are not more marginalised than any other tribe be it Efik or Yoruba or even Hausa. And (this is big), the Igbos leaders are always short of words when tasked to state their demands because there's really nothing concrete. Is it 2nd Niger Bridge, piece of cake: 5 South East states plus Delta and Rivers will do it under one budgetary year, quote me. When Lagos alone has done Ikoyi Lekki and contemplating 4th Mainland bridge Is it Enugu-Onitsha, Enugu-PH. Ditto South East is blessed with high population density. The road networks are short, really. That's what Anambra capitalised on and linked all its towns on good tarred road. There is nothing an Igbo man wants that a Kalabari man doesn't néed more. We are not facing wholesale environmental degradation of Niger Delta and the disease and poverty of core North. So what is it? Igbo presidency? What is that? Haven't we been there? And those that've had it, has it solved all their issues? Otuoke is still lacking pottable drinking water. So? |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by yanshDoctor: 12:32am On Oct 14, 2017 |
only confederation will merged south south with south east. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Dedetwo(m): 12:32am On Oct 14, 2017*. Modified: 1:08am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Kazim88:Your geographical knowledge is very poor. So one wonders how your political acumen could be anything but poor. It is really bad to be a Nigerian. The Biaftra started when even the Ndigbo were accused of dominating either Nigeria. Unless you were born on yesterday, Biafra is a challenge to colonialism. It is because of too many losers that are abound in southern Nigeria that I unrepentantly called for the actualization of Republic of Igbo Land. Nigeria is a curse and I hate the essence of having ninnies as compatriots. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Isokowadoo: 1:02am On Oct 14, 2017 |
I am Deltan. 1. The Above Wasn't Written By GEJ. 2. That Said, They Do Contain Some/Alot Valid Points. 3. Igbo Leaders(frmr or Present) aren't d Most Corrupt Leaders. Notaners Are QEd. I Support Bia.fra I want A Sovereign niger Delta. as Well as A Sov Biafran State we all can be Neighboring Con3 Hostile or frndly |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by cedar3: 1:04am On Oct 14, 2017 |
First I must say that these are valid points, irrespective of who raised them. Though we have not spent time to allay the fears in some people's mind, owing mostly to the fact that the "intellectuals" have not really bought into the idea because of several issues. The following opinions are just my thoughts: 1. In history, the Igbos are the only tribe that never fought or went to war to annex or subjugate any other tribe. It's not in us to try to force ourselves on others. Even when we travel to other lands (and we travel a lot), instead of forcing ourselves on others, we pick up their language and other culture. We believe in live and let live. So there is no fear of igbo subjugation whatsoever. A people who have been marginalized knows how it feels to be at the receiving end of the line. So do you think they will like to do that to others? The Igbo people like competition, so if you can't thrive, it will look as though you are being suppressed.. 2. Right from 1967 when the war broke out and Biafra was declared, the Biafran map has always had the entire Niger-Delta covered. And it is also in history that they joined in fighting the war until things started getting awry and some developed cold feet, which of course is understandable because they felt they had the chance to join the FMG and not be affected by the starvation. Till now the map has not been changed therefore we still make use of it. 3. The Capital of Biafra as at the time of it's declaration was Enugu. At that time, nobody raised any hell as to it's location and nothing has been done about it since then. I believe all these issues can be resolved once a referendum has been conducted. If Enugu does not appeal to everybody, then a consensus can be reached. Wherever the capital is, the main issue is wide-spread development. Take a look at China, despite the location of it's capital, there is still development in other cities. That is unlike Nigeria that concentrates on only it's capital and one or two cities. And btw, it is also In history that the late Chief Odumegwu Ojukwu held a meeting with the elders of the Niger Deltans, telling them of the odds of joining the Biafran side and they willingly joined, further disputing the fact that we forced them or anybody into the Biafran entity. 4. The language of Biafra has always been English. If there will be any change to that, it will be widely discussed. Taking China as an instance, despite the sheer size of the control, with over 56 ethnic groups, they chose Mandarin as their official language and nobody is complaining. For all other issues, I highly recommend the book IN BIAFRA AFRICA DIED, THE DIPLOMATIC PLOT BY EMEFIENA EZEANI. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Dedetwo(m): 1:16am On Oct 14, 2017 |
cedar3:There is no valid point raised in that crap. It is most idiotic and even hatred to include area that could easily pass as Cameroon in the so-called "Niger Delta" and exclude the people natural situated in "Niger Delta" because of silly and tribal politics of the zoo called Nigeria. I am not for Biafra because of idiotic shenanigans emanating from certain stiffs in southern Nigeria. I am unapologetically for the Republic of Igbo land, a country that should be exclusively for Ndigbo. There will no be harmony curried through idiotic political necessities but cultural and traditional affinity. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by ipodstinks: 1:56am On Oct 14, 2017 |
Kazim88:if you expect them to answer those point., you are on your own. Those people call never reason. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by ipodstinks: 1:59am On Oct 14, 2017 |
[s] Dedetwo:[/s]Stop writing trash and answer the points being raised. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:39am On Oct 14, 2017 |
See fake news, sha! Someone will just sit in his parlour and concoct anything and append GEJ's name on it and gullible people or those deliberately looking to mislead would disseminate the hoax online. |
| Re: GEJ Invite IPOB To A Civilize Debate: Why NigerDelta Are Sceptical About Biafra by Mynd44(mod): 4:01am On Oct 14, 2017 |
8. Don't post false information on Nairaland |
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