Ereolamide: It's very entertaining albeit exciting to say the least, the subtle move with which the new generation of Yoruba leaders are tightening their grips over Lagos.
The era of mumu political correctness is over, of recent we've seen the statue of Chief Awolowo commissioned, the acceptance of Lagos into Odua Group, and now the Yoruba Language Bill.
For those of you that'll convulse over these news accept my humble condolences, it appears that the Yorubas have taken over the 'No Man's Land'.
bigpicture001: ..do you know most international skl require TIEL for admission otherwise..you are told to learn in the local dialect.. if there is an option..is there a by force law there...?
Mister, I think you're over exaggerating your intelligence, Lagos state as mandated yoruba language which is symbol of her cultural heritage to be taught in schools within its boundary, Lagos state never proclaimed that this indigenous language-Yoruba should usurp the role of the national lingua franca- English, the state didn't veto that pupils will be killed if they fail the subject,the state's concern is that it must be taught in schools.
Expatriates or not, when you migrate into a new geocultural zone different from yours, you should be ready to abide with the laws of the land, all your rants and rigmarole over the issue won't stop the law from taking effect, if yourself and family members are living within the state and unhappy about it, kindly relocate to wherever you'll be given the chance to dictate the laws in which you'd love to abide .
Mister, I think you're over exaggerating your intelligence, Lagos state as mandated yoruba language which is symbol of her cultural heritage to be taught in schools within its boundary, Lagos state never proclaimed that this indigenous language-Yoruba should usurp the role of the national lingua franca- English, the state didn't veto that pupils will be killed if they fail the subject,the state's concern is that it must be taught in schools.
Expatriates or not, when you migrate into a new geocultural zone different from yours, you should be ready to abide with the laws of the land, all your rants and rigmarole over the issue won't stop the law from taking effect, if yourself and family members are living within the state and unhappy about it, kindly relocate to wherever you'll given the chance to dictate the laws you want to abide .
..my concern is to speak out against anything that will not foster the unity of the country....even if I die without ever being able to change things..let ma conscience be at peace that I did what I could..even at the smallest ways..i also spoke against tinubu's fight against the F.G to force them to give local government allocation a to state instead of to local govt...it's tru iha s not heard...but am happy u guyz grew up to witness the dangers it has causes to the country..also spoke against the ipob agitations..so dnt go all tribalistic cuz ur pare.nts told you to...am not even igbo...
This's the best law so far passed by any Nigerian state. A people must be able to speak their own language before any other.
However, I think they should've gone a step further and require "credit" on it. This would make students and teachers take it serious, and not just a subject to complete their exam.
Mynd44: Some problems will arise here though. 1. Insufficient teachers - ......and you came to this conclusion based on what stats? 2. Doesn't this cause some inconsistency with WAEC which gives stidents a chance to choose? Perhaps they intend to make it compulsory in class but when applying for WAEC, students can drop it but it will increase the workload of students - WAEC conditions is made subservient to this. 3. In Unis, it should not carry any unit but it must be passed. - It cannot be made effectual if it does not carry any grade. Whatever makes "General Studies" a graded course in universities, should make Yoruba a graded course in the higher institution. Once it crosses the rubicon and it's made compulsory in University, then students know they cannot graduate or their grades will be affected
My thoughts anyway
Finally, what you've just put up are challenges along the way. The overarching objective still subsist. If we want to preserve and promote our heritage, our history and posterity, foothold and power.....then issues of WAEC, grades etc are inconsequential to the big picture
bigpicture001: ....you talk like a country is a clan...if your wife doesn't know how to cook..if wot biznes is it of your neighbourhood or local govt..wot your saying in essence is that your wife should not be blamed but the local govt. for not forcing women to catering skl wen they are teenagers...du you think lagos is a clan.? come to V.I where I stay an see crowds of expatriate and thier young children,whom the law will now force to learn nd pass a language that dies not concern them...if you want to grow your language..organise seminar for interested persons,grow from family communication, which the yorubas are even doing well at...not force everybody to lern you language...
if you live in Lagos the language concerns you. If you don't like it live. Lagos is not England. This is just the beginning
bigpicture001: ..my concern is to speak out against anything that will not foster the unity of the country....even if I die without ever being able to change things..let ma conscience be at peace that I did what I could..even at the smallest ways..i also spoke against tinubu's fight against the F.G to force them to give local government allocation a to state instead of to local govt...it's tru iha s not heard...but am happy u guyz grew up to witness the dangers it has causes to the country..also spoke against the ipob agitations..so dnt go all tribalistic cuz ur pare.nts told you to...am not even igbo...
I think your upbringing needs questioning for you to opine that I'm a tribalist and with your snide remarks to my parents, you definitely don't want to go down such lane with me.
That aside, how does the mandatory teaching of Yoruba in Lagos hinder the unity of Nigeria, Lagos as part of Yoruba land wants to preserve its cultural heritage by enforcing its language on her denizens, hereby making sure their imported languages will not erode the influence of Yoruba language in the state.
Lest I forget I don't give a fvck if you're Ibo or not, what caught my attention was your puerile and weak critical thinking skills.
LadyExcellency: : The foolishness of these internet rats continues.
I am yet to see an Easterner that is anti-integration. They have always been known to be masters in the language of the native populations. So what is the difference?
It is mostly Muslims that oppose integration.
Why are you bringing easterners and Muslims into this conversation? Are you trying to be divisive? There are many northerners, westerners, middle belters, even foreigners like togolese, nigèriens who speak the languages of their host states/countries and do it well. Even Pakistanis for Peckham London dey speak Yoruba . Most of these groups mentioned are Muslims, yet they have also integrated well into the communities they live in. Even Aliko/Sani Dangote, Atiku speak Yoruba and they are northerners and Muslims.
Someone is irredeemably daft and "clannish bigot", yet you're asking her if she's trying to be divisive?
I think your upbringing needs questioning for you to opine that I'm a tribalist and with your snide remarks to my parents, you definitely don't want to go down such lane with me.
That aside, how does the mandatory teaching of Yoruba in Lagos hinder the unity of Nigeria, Lagos as part of Yoruba land wants to preserve its cultural heritage by enforcing its language on her denizens, hereby making sure their imported languages will not erode the influence of Yoruba language in the state.
Lest I forget I don't give a fvck if you're Ibo or not, what caught my attention was your puerile and weak critical thinking skills.
Mynd44: : Some problems will arise here though. 1. Insufficient teachers 2. Doesn't this cause some inconsistency with WAEC which gives stidents a chance to choose? Perhaps they intend to make it compulsory in class but when applying for WAEC, students can drop it but it will increase the workload of students 3. In Unis, it should not carry any unit but it must be passed.
My thoughts anyway
Insufficient teachers ke? There are many Yoruba teachers looking for schools to teach.
It can be made one of the compulsory to be written in waec, if not students will not take the subject serious.
It is a very good development by the Lagos State Government.
Madam,
See how you made the same counter-argument as I did in fewer words
bigpicture001: ..my concern is to speak out against anything that will not foster the unity of the country....even if I die without ever being able to change things..let ma conscience be at peace that I did what I could..even at the smallest ways..i also spoke against tinubu's fight against the F.G to force them to give local government allocation a to state instead of to local govt...it's tru iha s not heard...but am happy u guyz grew up to witness the dangers it has causes to the country..also spoke against the ipob agitations..so dnt go all tribalistic cuz ur pare.nts told you to...am not even igbo...
Kindly explain how this works against unity. Does this not happen in other countries? research and inform yourself. In New Zealand,India,Canada and Belgium to name a few. It is only the totally and irredeemably colonized that would say what you say. So what should we do? watch out language die out? can we really speak English?even our elite prefer pidgin socially and that is the problem. We have not been able to develop colloquial forms that we are comfortsble with. So our language dies and our English is not great. Yes we may write well but there is still not a Nigerian English that we speak comfortably and so on our radios you hear all kinds of silly accents these days. It is a disgrace
How many English songs do we have that unite us. The truth is English is killing us spiritually and culturally
My vision is that our children will speak and write at least 2 and possibly 3 Nigerian languages.That means vision policies and plans.
Your Non-vision is our children should read and write only English Is it not a shame that Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart is translated to several languages but no Nigerian language.I don't even know if it is availablle in Igbo And then when they meet real English people staart copying their accent
Meritocracy: : Very good, you will see some ajepako children find it difficult to speak Yoruba. Some parent will even warn you not to speak Yoruba to there children and some grandparents find it difficult to talk to their grandchildren cos of language barriers. What a mess.
That is why the wise thing is to fix this situation. Your children must speak English only and must form like a Whiteman. What relevance as it brought to our people? we only end up with bunch of confused unsociable kids who behave like agric chickens and can not fit else where except for whitemans land where they are hardly recognised. No wonder many of them want to come back home by all means. Mine is let us eschew all this fetish practices and develop our language so that all other people of the world can benefit from its reach cultural tapestry. Yoruba scholars the challenge is up to you all to development means to achieve this through research and development and make people proud to use approprate, clean, clear and correct Yoruba in their daily activities. Lobatan.
I have a 9yr old son that struggles to speak and comprehend Yoruba. It bothers me a lot. Basic things like "alubosa", "Igbale" etc he will ask you what does that mean? In 5-6yrs time, we will ship him abroad (he has said it in unmistakable terms that he's going to flying school), then what? If we are not careful, we have raised a man that will have no identity or cultural heritage.
bigpicture001: : ..do you know most international skl require TIEL for admission otherwise..you are told to learn in the local dialect.. if there is an option..is there a by force law there...?
Mister, I think you're over exaggerating your intelligence, Lagos state as mandated yoruba language which is symbol of her cultural heritage to be taught in schools within its boundary, Lagos state never proclaimed that this indigenous language-Yoruba should usurp the role of the national lingua franca- English, the state didn't veto that pupils will be killed if they fail the subject,the state's concern is that it must be taught in schools.
Expatriates or not, when you migrate into a new geocultural zone different from yours, you should be ready to abide with the laws of the land, all your rants and rigmarole over the issue won't stop the law from taking effect, if yourself and family members are living within the state and unhappy about it, kindly relocate to wherever you'll be given the chance to dictate the laws in which you'd love to abide .
Bros,
Abeg, buy yourself a good lunch in my name, for this statement
bigpicture001: .....the lingua franca should be promoted and not a tribes language..no special laws should be allowed to grow geometrically...if the people feel it's very important to them..then they should pass it on to generations through the families..but to mk any language a state law..is nonsense..you are dividing nigeria the more..you people are fast coming after me cuz of the narrow mindedness being taught you guyz by your parents...
This mama...I just watch you with one eye close.................. If pesin talk yogo vex sosay go kill yourself...
bigpicture001: : ..my concern is to speak out against anything that will not foster the unity of the country....even if I die without ever being able to change things..let ma conscience be at peace that I did what I could..even at the smallest ways..i also spoke against tinubu's fight against the F.G to force them to give local government allocation a to state instead of to local govt...it's tru iha s not heard...but am happy u guyz grew up to witness the dangers it has causes to the country..also spoke against the ipob agitations..so dnt go all tribalistic cuz ur pare.nts told you to...am not even igbo...
I think your upbringing needs questioning for you to opine that I'm a tribalist and with your snide remarks to my parents, you definitely don't want to go down such lane with me.
That aside, how does the mandatory teaching of Yoruba in Lagos hinder the unity of Nigeria, Lagos as part of Yoruba land wants to preserve its cultural heritage by enforcing its language on her denizens, hereby making sure their imported languages will not erode the influence of Yoruba language in the state.
Lest I forget I don't give a fvck if you're Ibo or not, what caught my attention was your puerile and weak critical thinking skills.
Be smart for once, there are significant number of yoruboid tribe and language and cultural similarities with the people there than you know that is the knowledge you need to have through Yoruba language. Lobatan.
There are no significant yoruboid groups in Delta state. The only Yoruboid groups in Delta state are the Olukumi people who are a minority group. The other Yoruboid like groups are the Igala and Itshekiri people who speak a language of their own. So how can Yoruba language be enforced in a very diverse and hetetrogenous state also made up of Isoko, Urhobo and Igbos? Sometimes think before typing!
bigpicture001: : ..my concern is to speak out against anything that will not foster the unity of the country....even if I die without ever being able to change things..let ma conscience be at peace that I did what I could..even at the smallest ways..i also spoke against tinubu's fight against the F.G to force them to give local government allocation a to state instead of to local govt...it's tru iha s not heard...but am happy u guyz grew up to witness the dangers it has causes to the country..also spoke against the ipob agitations..so dnt go all tribalistic cuz ur pare.nts told you to...am not even igbo...
Kindly explain how this works against unity. Does this not happen in other countries? research and inform yourself. In New Zealand,India,Canada and Belgium to name a few. It is only the totally and irredeemably colonized that would say what you say. So what should we do? watch out language die out? can we really speak English?even our elite prefer pidgin socially and that is the problem. We have not been able to develop colloquial forms that we are comfortsble with. So our language dies and our English is not great. Yes we may write well but there is still not a Nigerian English that we speak comfortably and so on our radios you hear all kinds of silly accents these days. It is a disgrace
How many English songs do we have that unite us. The truth is English is killing us spiritually and culturally
My vision is that our children will speak and write at least 2 and possibly 3 Nigerian languages.That means vision policies and plans.
Your Non-vision is our children should read and write only English Is it not a shame that Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart is translated to several languages but no Nigerian language.I don't even know if it is availablle in Igbo And then when they meet real English people staart copying their accent
Can someone give the man a cold bottle of red wine.......
LadyExcellency: The foolishness of these internet rats continues.
I am yet to see an Easterner that is anti-integration. They have always been known to be masters in the language of the native populations. So what is the difference?
It is mostly Muslims that oppose integration.
islamophobe...visit a psychiatrist.Phobia is an anxiety disorder.
nnamdi kanu is a muslim right?
Ojukwu is a muslim right?
isaac boro is a muslim right?
Igbo dont think logically or they are not logical with their tribalism and bigotry!,you argue that muslims oppose biafra struggle and at the same time oppose intigration.
I will save this your hypocritical,illogical islamophobic post for the day you will attack muslims for opposing secession!
bigpicture001: stupid law...the fed govt must intervene..we are talking about uniting nigeria..and some other people are talking about increasing diferentes between us.. av said it before the fed. govt should dissolve national civil defence corp. and replace them with the Nigerian social group which will study and trace society problems and fix them..if they existed,the research done by then would have informed the government of even more divisive potential of the lagos language laws,,..its a group like that that informed china to ban religion for young people in order to thwart future terrorism..a group like that asked Austria to reject Syrian refugees cuz of its future implications..a group like that informed India govt to ban the film passion of the christ throughout india...a group like that would have noticed the availability of youths on new social media platform nd direct govt agencies to advertise more in these platforms to get faster to the youths instead of constant NTA whether ppl are watching or not..a group like that can follow trend if the people and correctly predict thier actions...a group like that in Singapore raise alarm to govt of unwillingness of young wife's to bore more than one child..then govt announced incentives to women to encourage them hv more than a child....we don't have organisations like that monitor social trent..hence we throw away all our sociology graduates...
Why are you bringing easterners and Muslims into this conversation? Are you trying to be divisive? There are many northerners, westerners, middle belters, even foreigners like togolese, nigèriens who speak the languages of their host states/countries and do it well. Even Pakistanis for Peckham London dey speak Yoruba . Most of these groups mentioned are Muslims, yet they have also integrated well into the communities they live in. Even Aliko/Sani Dangote, Atiku speak Yoruba and they are northerners and Muslims.
Igbo Christians are too obsessed with islam.I fear they dont kill asari dokubo when biafra is realized.
muslim this ,muslim that.They think the only way to attract likes from their islamophobic igbo colleagues is to just mention the world islambor Muslim.even of its out of context like the one just made.You accuse yoruba muslims and hausa fulani of opposing biafra,you attract "likes" you now turn to say they are anti-integration again and the stupid people like him still like the post.They will even abandon there fellow Christians up north Gowon,Theophylus danjuma and jeremiah usein that killed their biafran dreams and be shouting muslims out of hypocrisy and cowardice!
They should conduct mass psychiatric test on biafrans on nairaland!
Igbo Christians are too obsessed with islam.I fear they dont kill asari dokubo when biafrs is realized.
muslim this ,muslim that.They think the only way to attract likes from their islamophobic igbo colleagues is to just mention the world islambor Muslim.even of its out of context like the one just made.You accuse yoruba muslims and hausa fulani of opposing biafra,you attract "likes" you now turn to say they are anti-integration again and the stupid people like him still like the post.
They should conduct mass psychiatric test on biafrans on nairaland!
Why resist it to igbo? Islamophobia is a Global phenomenon occassioned by extreme violent and jihadist tendency in Islam. If people fear you religion then it is your duty to find ways to correct that impression by practising a religion that doesn't seek to unleash terror on mankind. As long as terror organizations are spear headed by those that practice islam, the fear of islam will continue to be a thing therefore you have no moral right to criticize anyone that hates the islam religion.
Tell them, it is this same silly people that want to break up Nigeria in the Name of Biafra. They are only Nigerian when it suits them, when its convenient and enrich them but will not wink an eye to destroy the fabric that hold the nation together at any short notice. So after Nigeria fades away courtesy of the children of potopoto land, Yorubas must be left with nothing to show for their Nigerian misadventure abi? I think these corrupt people from alabiabia must be make to shot up where real people are talking. Lobatan.
The way igbo reasoning is irritating.They support Nigeria when it favours them.One was even calling the same muslims they attack for being anti-biafra of being anti-integration.very illogical ways of reasoning!
Why resist it to igbo? Islamophobia is a Global phenomenon occassioned by extreme violent and jihadist tendency in Islam. If people fear you religion then it is your duty to find ways to correct that impression by practising a religion that doesn't seek to unleash terror on mankind. As long as terror organizations are spear headed by those that practice islam, the fear of islam will continue to be a thing therefore you have no moral right to criticize anyone that hates the islam religion.
You hypocrite should just go and sit down.What is the relevance of the sentence "muslims are anti-integration" to the topic above?...igbos are religiously non tolerant,simple!
Nbote: Better... It is only a hopeless country and state dat will gave a language which isn't even its official language priority over its indigenous languages... Our indigenous languages shld made law over d likes of Arabic and French.. They are part of pur national heritage... Abeg ehn how do those ppl above me slip dat dey woke up dis early with dis much disdain?
I hope you know that Nigeria is multi tribal with each tribe having an entirely different language?
That will actually divide the nation more along tribal lines.
I have a 9yr old son that struggles to speak and comprehend Yoruba. It bothers me a lot. Basic things like "alubosa", "Igbale" etc he will ask you what does that mean? In 5-6yrs time, we will ship him abroad (he has said it in unmistakable terms that he's going to flying school), then what? If we are not careful, we have raised a man that will have no identity or cultural heritage.
So
I decided to speak Yoruba to him at all times
It is a good thing that you have realized there is a SERIOUS problem and you are making conscious efforts to remedy it. You failed to inculcate the language in him from the start- many parents make that mistake- But at least now that you have realized- you are doing something.
In the future, he will thank you for it (saving his identity).
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