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How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by TheControversy: 4:07pm On Oct 30, 2017
The account of Genesis 6:1-4 records one of the numerous odd stories that can be found in the Bible's Old Testament. It details the story of the Sons of God (the Angels) who took notice of the daughters of men and bore unnatural children (the Nephilims) through them. The full account reads:

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."(KJV)

The bizarre nature of this story lies not just in the fact that the angels developed lustful desires for women, but that they also were able to bear children through these women whom they took as wives. This is strange since as is believed, God made the angels as spirits who have no flesh and therefore no fleshly desires which naturally follows. If Genesis 6:1-4 is to be held as fact, the following questions understandably arise:
1. How were the angels able to "have sex and bear children" since God only blessed Humans and all living creatures on earth with the ability to procreate? (Genesis 1:28)
2. Since God made the angels and bestowed on them the powers they possess including the power to take human form (Genesis 18:1-8, 19:1-11, 32:24-30, Hebrews 13:2) do they also possess the ability to reproduce?
3. If your answer to the second question is NO, then who are the sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 and why did they bear children of unnatural size and strength.
If your answer is YES, then why did God give angels the power of Sexual reproduction?

Theists, please comment.

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Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by LordKingsley: 4:08pm On Oct 30, 2017
Ftc
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by LordKingsley: 4:15pm On Oct 30, 2017
If the sons of God were able to take human form, I suppose they also had reproductive organs with all biological fluids and components intact to enable fertilization occur.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by TheControversy: 4:18pm On Oct 30, 2017
LordKingsley:
If the sons of God were able to take human form, I suppose they also had reproductive organs with all biological fluids and components intact to enable fertilization occur.
Why?
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by LordKingsley: 4:26pm On Oct 30, 2017
TheControversy:
Why?
Rebellion
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by TheControversy: 4:32pm On Oct 30, 2017
LordKingsley:

Rebellion
Why could they possess sexual reproductive organs if God never wanted them to have anything to do with the daughters of men?
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by LordKingsley: 4:36pm On Oct 30, 2017
TheControversy:
Why could they possess sexual reproductive organs if God never wanted them to have anything to do with the daughters of men?
This world is crazy. It's just like asking why God should make man even if he knew he'd rebel against him.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by TheControversy: 4:41pm On Oct 30, 2017
LordKingsley:

This world is crazy. It's just like asking why God should make man even if he knew he'd rebel against him.
Lol grin
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by hahn(m): 8:24pm On Oct 30, 2017
LordKingsley:

This world is crazy. It's just like asking why God should make man even if he knew he'd rebel against him.

The answer to this is easy

Jehovah loves the smell of suya cheesy grin
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by michlins(m): 9:04pm On Oct 30, 2017
If these sons of God were unable to resist these daughters of eve, who am I to resist them These girls being given men troubles since ages

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Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Nobody: 12:02am On Oct 31, 2017
this thread would be better without blasphemies from the ignorant....... the ones reputed as sons of God there were humans and not angels..... they were descendants of Seth and it's somewhat of an antitype of modern Christianity ........

now angels are not flesh .....but verse 3 shows that those reputed as sons of God were men ... because it says""" Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”""”

though it seemed as if God expected more from descendants of Seth cause they were the ones known or reputed as sons cause of their faith in a coming Messiah prophesied in which Abel was the first martyr...
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by TheControversy: 12:31am On Oct 31, 2017
Ferisidowu:
this thread would be better without blasphemies from the ignorant....... the ones reputed as sons of God there were humans and not angels..... they were descendants of Seth and it's somewhat of an antitype of modern Christianity ........

now angels are not flesh .....but verse 3 shows that those reputed as sons of God were men ... because it says""" Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”""”

though it seemed as if God expected more from descendants of Seth cause they were the ones known or reputed as sons cause of their faith in a coming Messiah prophesied in which Abel was the first martyr...

Can you explain then who Jude verses 6 and 7 is referring to:

And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling —these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. KJV

Also, if the sons of God were indeed humans as you say, why were their offspring from the women of unnatural size and strength?
As an aside see Job 1:6 on reference to sons of God
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Nobody: 1:15pm On Oct 31, 2017
Ferisidowu:
this thread would be better without blasphemies from the ignorant....... the ones reputed as sons of God there were humans and not angels..... they were descendants of Seth and it's somewhat of an antitype of modern Christianity ........

now angels are not flesh .....but verse 3 shows that those reputed as sons of God were men ... because it says""" Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”""”

though it seemed as if God expected more from descendants of Seth cause they were the ones known or reputed as sons cause of their faith in a coming Messiah prophesied in which Abel was the first martyr...
I read this story but it doesn't tally, if they were, the children of Noah, Enoch also should have the same size as that of Seth. Don't forget spirit also have body but their body composition is different from the body of Men, and that's where the giant bodies materialise from. Do you know that the perpetrators were put in everlasting bondage and covered with darkness till the day of judgement. If they were children of Seth whom is from Adam surely they will have a redemption because Christ has promised to redeem Adam even with his seed, but these ones don't have redemption, because they are not from Adam, they are Angels, the watchers.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Nobody: 4:27pm On Nov 06, 2017
Genesis 6:1

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth,.... Either mankind in general, or rather the posterity of Cain, who were mere natural men, such as they were when born into the world, and as brought up in it, destitute of the grace of God, and of the knowledge and fear of him; and who in proportion much more multiplied than the posterity of Seth, because of the practice of polygamy, which by the example of Lamech, one of that race, might prevail among them:

and daughters were born unto them;


not daughters only, but sons also, though it may be more daughters than sons, or it may denote remarkable ones, for their beauty or immodesty, or both; and chiefly this is observed for the sake of what follows.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Nobody: 4:46pm On Nov 06, 2017
Genesis 6:2

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair,.

... Or "good" k, not in a moral but natural sense; goodly to look upon, of a beautiful aspect; and they looked upon, and only regarded their external beauty, and lusted after them: those "sons of God" were not angels either good or bad, as many have thought, since they are incorporeal beings, and cannot be affected with fleshly lusts, or marry and be given in marriage, or generate and be generated; nor the sons of judges, magistrates, and great personages, nor they themselves, as the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan, and so Jarchi and Aben Ezra; but this could be no crime in them, to look upon and take in marriage such persons, though they were the daughters of the meaner sort; and supposing they acted a criminal part in looking at them, and lusting after them, and committing fornication with them, and even in marrying irreligious persons; yet this could only be a partial, not an universal corruption, as is after affirmed, though such examples must indeed have great influence upon the populace; but rather this is to be understood of the posterity of Seth, who from the times of Enos, when then began to be called by the name of the Lord, Ge 4:25 had the title of the sons of God, in distinction from the children of men; these claimed the privilege of divine adoption, and professed to be born of God, and partakers of his grace, and pretended to worship him according to his will, so far as revealed to them, and to fear and serve and glorify him. According to the Arabic writers l, immediately after the death of Adam the family of Seth was separated from the family of Cain; Seth took his sons and their wives to a high mountain (Hermon), on the top of which Adam was buried, and Cain and all his sons lived in the valley beneath, where Abel was slain; and they on the mountain obtained a name for holiness and purity, and were so near the angels that they could hear their voices and join their hymns with them; and they, their wives and their children, went by the common name of the sons of God: and now these were adjured, by Seth and by succeeding patriarchs, by no means to go down from the mountain and join the Cainites; but notwithstanding in the times of Jared some did go down, it seems; [See comments on Ge 5:20] and after that others, and at this time it became general; and being taken with the beauty of the daughters of Cain and his posterity, they did as follows:


and they took them wives of all that they chose

not by force, as Aben Ezra and Ben Gersom interpret, for the Cainites being more numerous and powerful than they, it can hardly be thought that the one would attempt it, or the other suffer it; but they intermarried with them, which the Cainites might not be averse unto; they took to them wives as they fancied, which were pleasing to the flesh, without regard to their moral and civil character, and without the advice and consent of their parents, and without consulting God and his will in the matter; or they took women as they pleased, and were to their liking, and committed fornication, to which the Cainites were addicted; for they spent their time in singing and dancing, and in uncleanness, whereby the posterity of Seth or sons of God were allured to come down and join them, and commit fornication with them, as the Arabic writers m relate.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Maamin(m): 6:58pm On Nov 06, 2017
Ferisidowu:
Genesis 6:2

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair,.

... Or "good" k, not in a moral but natural sense; goodly to look upon, of a beautiful aspect; and they looked upon, and only regarded their external beauty, and lusted after them: those "sons of God" were not angels either good or bad, as many have thought, since they are incorporeal beings, and cannot be affected with fleshly lusts, or marry and be given in marriage, or generate and be generated; nor the sons of judges, magistrates, and great personages, nor they themselves, as the Targums of Onkelos and Jonathan, and so Jarchi and Aben Ezra; but this could be no crime in them, to look upon and take in marriage such persons, though they were the daughters of the meaner sort; and supposing they acted a criminal part in looking at them, and lusting after them, and committing fornication with them, and even in marrying irreligious persons; yet this could only be a partial, not an universal corruption, as is after affirmed, though such examples must indeed have great influence upon the populace; but rather this is to be understood of the posterity of Seth, who from the times of Enos, when then [s]began to be called by the name of the Lord[/s], Ge 4:25 had the title of the sons of God, in distinction from the children of men; these claimed the privilege of divine adoption, and professed to be born of God, and partakers of his grace, and pretended to worship him according to his will, so far as revealed to them, and to fear and serve and glorify him. According to the Arabic writers l, immediately after the death of Adam the family of Seth was separated from the family of Cain; Seth took his sons and their wives to a high mountain (Hermon), on the top of which Adam was buried, and Cain and all his sons lived in the valley beneath, where Abel was slain; and they on the mountain obtained a name for holiness and purity, and were so near the angels that they could hear their voices and join their hymns with them; and they, their wives and their children, went by the common name of the sons of God: and now these were adjured, by Seth and by succeeding patriarchs, by no means to go down from the mountain and join the Cainites; but notwithstanding in the times of Jared some did go down, it seems; [See comments on Ge 5:20] and after that others, and at this time it became general; and being taken with the beauty of the daughters of Cain and his posterity, they did as follows:


and they took them wives of all that they chose

not by force, as Aben Ezra and Ben Gersom interpret, for the Cainites being more numerous and powerful than they, it can hardly be thought that the one would attempt it, or the other suffer it; but they intermarried with them, which the Cainites might not be averse unto; they took to them wives as they fancied, which were pleasing to the flesh, without regard to their moral and civil character, and without the advice and consent of their parents, and without consulting God and his will in the matter; or they took women as they pleased, and were to their liking, and committed fornication, to which the Cainites were addicted; for they spent their time in singing and dancing, and in uncleanness, whereby the posterity of Seth or sons of God were allured to come down and join them, and commit fornication with them, as the Arabic writers m relate.

Here is the correct statement Gen 4:26

"And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD."

Not called by the name of God.

The Sons of God in that verse were Watchers (Angels). The book of Enoch elaborated more better on this.

Enoch ones pleaded on their behalf as well. Jude and Peter mentioned this angels as being bound and locked away in chains.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by twosquare(m): 10:25pm On Nov 06, 2017
TheControversy:
The account of Genesis 6:1-4 records one of the numerous odd stories that can be found in the Bible's Old Testament. It details the story of the Sons of God (the Angels) who took notice of the daughters of men and bore unnatural children (the Nephilims) through them. The full account reads:

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."(KJV)

The bizarre nature of this story lies not just in the fact that the angels developed lustful desires for women, but that they also were able to bear children through these women whom they took as wives. This is strange since as is believed, God made the angels as spirits who have no flesh and therefore no fleshly desires which naturally follows. If Genesis 6:1-4 is to be held as fact, the following questions understandably arise:
1. How were the angels able to "have sex and bear children" since God only blessed Humans and all living creatures on earth with the ability to procreate? (Genesis 1:28)
2. Since God made the angels and bestowed on them the powers they possess including the power to take human form (Genesis 18:1-8, 19:1-11, 32:24-30, Hebrews 13:2) do they also possess the ability to reproduce?
3. If your answer to the second question is NO, then who are the sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 and why did they bear children of unnatural size and strength.
If your answer is YES, then why did God give angels the power of Sexual reproduction?

Theists, please comment.
I have consider school of thoughts... The sons of God that were mentioned there were humans, not angels. Although, it is a pull enough to think they weren't, but if it were angels that sinned, the next verse wouldn't have said: My Spirit shall not always strive with man...
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Nobody: 12:53am On Nov 07, 2017
twosquare:
I have consider school of thoughts... The sons of God that were mentioned there were humans, not angels. Although, it is a pull enough to think they weren't, but if it were angels that sinned, the next verse would have say: My Spirit shall not always strive with man...

Brother,
You are correct....the sons of God were humans...not angels.
Here is speaking about good versus evil...God vs. satan....holiness versus unholiness.
The two can never mix....and be acceptable and Holy to God..
Holiness becomes tainted...if mixed with unholiness.
Just as you will never have a pure substance of either "oil" or "water" if the two are mixed.
Angels were never created to procreate with humans being nor can they....
The words chosen were figurative...not literal.
Re: How Were Angels Able To Father Children With Women? by Maamin(m): 1:35am On Nov 07, 2017
MsNgo40:


Brother,
You are correct....the sons of God were humans...not angels.
Here is speaking about good versus evil...God vs. satan....holiness versus unholiness.
The two can never mix....and be acceptable and Holy to God..
Holiness becomes tainted...if mixed with unholiness.
Just as you will never have a pure substance of either "oil" or "water" if the two are mixed.
Angels were never created to procreate with humans being nor can they....
The words chosen were figurative...not literal.

The verse would have rather say " sons of Seth" instead of sons of God.

Nephillims existed.

Were angels meant to eat because...it was said that three angels including the lord ate with Abraham before they head to sodom and gomorah to destroy it.

Angels can take human forms and in so doing they can have all human attribute in this form.

These falling angels were said to have left their original state.

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