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giles14:
wen was that.

T-90 is OK don't want to above my reach or means

Besides no combat experience

‘Chakra’ opened to 3rd eyes: India reportedly allowed US Navy to visit Russian sub
10 Nov, 2017 12:54

An unprecedented scandal is unfolding between Russia and India, with Moscow suspecting that New Delhi granted US Navy personnel access to INS ‘Chakra’, a Russian nuclear-powdered attack submarine operated by the Indian Navy since 2011.
The incident threatens to jeopardize talks on the lease of a second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military cooperation between the two countries, Russia’s Kommersant daily reported on Wednesday.


Several sources in the Russian state agencies told the newspaper that their Indian partners had recently committed several “unfriendly acts towards Russia.” First, a US Navy delegation had visited the aircraft carrier ‘Vikramaditya’ (property of the Indian Navy), with Russian officials forced to issue a note of protest. Sometime later, a US delegation came aboard the ‘Chakra’, according to a high-ranking military source.

The source, working in the military cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy personnel had paid a visit to a Russian submarine outrageous. The sub is stationed on the base near ‘Vishakhapatnam’, pending repairs.

“There were well-trained technical specialists among them, so they got hold of some of the information anyway,” the source said, adding that this “string of incidents” may have a negative impact on defense cooperation between the two countries, which has been successfully developing over the past five years.

The Indian Navy commissioned the ‘Chakra’ (originally called the ‘Nerpa’) in 2012, and paid around $1 billion to lease the submarine for a 10-year period, according to Indian Defense News.

India remained the world’s biggest arms importer over the past five years, SIPRI reported in February. Russia has been the main arms supplier to both China and India.

Moscow is now reportedly preparing retaliatory measures against its Indian partners, the sources say, also referring to “a lot of questions” and “difficult talks” ahead. The incident could affect negotiations on leasing the second nuclear submarine which the Indian Navy planned to obtain from Russia.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is due to visit India next month, has reportedly been tasked with sorting out the ‘Chakra’ issue. He is also set to negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter jet under an agreement signed back in 2007, which so far has seen neither the aircraft’s concept nor its financial parameters developed.

Source : https://www.rt.com/news/409465-chakra-india-us-russian-submarine/

Algerian1:
‘Chakra’ opened to 3rd eyes: India reportedly allowed US Navy to visit Russian sub
10 Nov, 2017 12:54



Source : https://www.rt.com/news/409465-chakra-india-us-russian-submarine/

FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS

nemesis4u:


FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS

yeh it seems weird that India leaves the US access to its secrets and strategic weapons

Algerian1:
yeh it seems weird that India leaves the US access to its secrets and strategic weapons

there r no friends among nations , if anybody tells u different, he is a fool

tell me why on earth would the Indians allow Americans on the submarine , why let a foreign country access ur most important undersea platform , so that they can assfucck u royally when the need arises .

barineh:
Besides no combat experience

might not mind about that

drdo AAD interceptor

latest version of drdo AAD endo atmospheric interceptor

MIRV bus

drdo PDV exo atmospheric interceptor

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The naiveté among some here! First, to whole-heartedly swallow the Russia Today kool-aid without considering the geopolitical game being played;
Second, that the US doesn't know all there is to know about Russian subs: how do you think the Brits and Norwergians were able to get into the Kursk so quickly?;
Third, INS Vikramaditya belongs to India and they can allow whomever to visit her; and
Fourth, India's the biggest arms importer on the planet and arms exporters have to play by their rules (cough...Denel...cough).

What's Vlad going to do? Supply Pakistan? Not enough money to compete with the generous funding subsidies Beijing offers.

Withdraw from the PAK FA project? Champaigne corks will pop at IAF HQ.

drdo thermal imager

frumentius:
The naiveté among some here! First, to whole-heartedly swallow the Russia Today kool-aid without considering the geopolitical game being played;
Second, that the US doesn't know all there is to know about Russian subs: how do you think the Brits and Norwergians were able to get into the Kursk so quickly?;
Third, INS Vikramaditya belongs to India and they can allow whomever to visit her; and
Fourth, India's the biggest arms importer on the planet and arms exporters have to play by their rules (cough...Denel...cough).

What's Vlad going to do? Supply Pakistan? Not enough money to compete with the generous funding subsidies Beijing offers.

Withdraw from the PAK FA project? Champaigne corks will pop at IAF HQ.

ur correct in a generalized way

the guys here r simply asking for clarification on the issue out of curiosity.

to be fair i would be also be curious when it comes to similar issues with other countries and would inquire about the same from them.


anyways multiple media both national and international r bouncing around the fake news , its kind of funny to realize how stupid those 'sensible' media are , i wonder if they even proof read their articles.

the INS chakra report first appeared in strategypage.com a american site
the russian website kommersat copied it from there and threatened retaliation
then later another russian news agency alleged that the french were behind it
again later it came out in an india news agency that the americans were in goa not Visakhapatnam which lies on the other side of india
still final comedy came when another indian newspaper claimed that it was the britishers not americans who visited INS chakra

damn INS chakra has become a hot tourist spot

or better still a nuclear powered circus

PS ; it was some Britishers under the supervision of Indians for inspecting the escape hatch and docking points of the sub hull for the DSR submersible they r supplying. even INS arihant was inspected. and through out all this the dockyard was full of Russians

nemesis4u:
the INS chakra report first appeared in strategypage.com a american site

I know all about strategypage. Their 2009 BS about the SAAF (BS even then, BTW) is still, in 2017, quoted as gospel by our self-appointed "rivals". Much like your near neighbours. Never ceases to amaze me how selective the quoting and inconsequential the "rivals" are to future defence planning in our defence plans, respectively.

An aside: came across a CSIR presentation showing how closely we're collaborating with your space programme.
Any info?
Explicitly: Denel was blacklisted till 2014(I think), but not other SA defence companies. What about SA defence companies with which Denel was associated of had an interest?
Ah, geopolitics!

frumentius:
I know all about strategypage. Their 2009 BS about the SAAF (BS even then, BTW) is still, in 2017, quoted as gospel by our self-appointed "rivals". Much like your near neighbours. Never ceases to amaze me how selective the quoting and inconsequential the "rivals" are to future defence planning in our defence plans, respectively.

An aside: came across a CSIR presentation showing how closely we're collaborating with your space programme.
Any info?
Explicitly: Denel was blacklisted till 2014(I think), but not other SA defence companies. What about SA defence companies with which Denel was associated of had an interest?
Ah, geopolitics!

i am ill informed on civilian projects

but i know there is good cooperation and work done by SANSA and ISRO.

denel and directly owned subsidiaries were effected , it was stupid policy , better to levy fines and then negotiate again.

governments in those days were like ostrich

however paramount, grintek , Reutech , etc went on with their business as usual

nemesis4u:
paramount , grintek , Reutech etc went on with their business as usual

Exactly. Some people tried to argue SA as a whole was precluded from Indian defence work! Which obviously was nonsense considering the space and EW work we continue to do there. Including sub-contractors either 49% Denel or under 35% owned but still influenced. All quiet, of course.

frumentius:
Exactly. Some people tried to argue SA as a whole was precluded from Indian defence work! Which obviously was nonsense considering the space and EW work we continue to do there. Including sub-contractors either 49% Denel or under 35% owned but still influenced. All quiet, of course.

IMO people give undue relevance to defense trade , real deal between 2 country is the civilian trade/cooperation.

its ties/effects r more lasting and stronger than defense relations

the difference is same like that between a girlfriend (defence) and a wife (civilian)

IN Chief being briefed on Naval Group's Barracuda Class nuclear attack submarine at Cherbourg, France including Barracuda SSN build/maintenance architecture at Naval Group’s VR (Virtual Reality) centre at Cherbourg couple of days ago.

this could be the reason why all the rumors about INS chakra started flying

it could be

France trying to discredit Russia
or
Russia trying to discredit France
or
America trying to discredit both Russia and France

my bets on America, they get to gain most

anyways India already has a virtual reality VR submarine design center in gurgaon , it is owned by L&T.

HTT-40 has been fitted and flown with a parachute gantry. u can see it below the tail section.

Actual stall/spin testing to commence shortly.

South Korea Developing a Supercavitating Torpedo

Russian Project 11356 Frigate Admiral Makarov Test Fires Shtil-1 Missiles

.......up north

one mans wait another mans fate

INS Kolkata firing the BrahMos Missile

BrahMos Missile which weighs 3000 kgs , gives it an enormous Kinetic Energy. By official figures , it has 9 times more Kinetic Energy than other subsonic cruise missiles.

Hyersonic Versions of BrahMos which will have speed Mach 7+ , which will generate 36 times the force of an object of the same mass striking the target at Mach 1. This shows how destructive a weapon like BrahMos can get with its enormous KE alone even without its warhead.

i am sure everybody here will share that mans pain and disbelieve

and as far as the person trying to do the undoable - any feminists in the house please take note

any intended enemy of that RPG lady gunner will be literally laughing to death in his foxhole


as they say women will be the death of us , in sooooo many unimaginable ways
but we goona love them anyway till death do us apart


except for obama and his followers

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one of the scorpenes under constuction

jaguar darin 1

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other pics of nirbhay test

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