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Odunayaw:
can you imagine this in NAF roundel

nemesis4u:
seriously
i told u to exercise caution

these points i made r very generic

double hulls can dampen noise better atleast on paper , but in real life it depends on the skill , tech and construction methodology applied otherwise it will radiate noise or worse the outer pressure hull may generate noise.

single hull subs r very stealthy in real life becz of the design, manufacturing skill, tech employed .

basically in real life
double hull can be stealthy than single hulled
or conversely single hull can be better than double hull
it boils down to the skill, tech, design and manufacturing quality of the design and construction company

jakeporeshenko:
Heheh be very careful... don’t give me such thoughts

Odunayaw:
Your insights are well received

nemesis4u:
tribute ?

anyways single hull r preferred due to low cost , low maintenance , ease of manufacturing etc

Odunayaw:
cost and maintenance is actually the music to my ears

nemesis4u:
NN buying single hull subs?

Odunayaw:
can you imagine this in NAF roundel

tdayof:
Nemesis4u. How feasible is developing guided ammunitions such as missiles, rockets etc.

How many years do you think will take a company to work on that successfully.

Nigeria already manufactures rockets. What do you think they need more and how far to go into something better as mentioned above.

Odunayaw:
CSTP has really gone far in rocket technology but have been hampered by- wait for it- funds!.

tdayof:
Yes, CSTP owns the technology needed for this development.


How much can it cost to set up a facility @nemesis4u.

The problem is most of our big men here are into oil, real estate and telecommunication.

If we had them in defence. Dropping around $20M on a joint venture shouldn't be hard while you make your cash.

Odunayaw:
Big men want returns/more money/interest. just look at our Military's spending, not really big ticket. So they just view the defence industry as nothing more than "national pride" and not a money spinner

tdayof:
Yes, CSTP owns the technology needed for this development.


How much can it cost to set up a facility @nemesis4u.

The problem is most of our big men here are into oil, real estate and telecommunication.

If we had them in defence. Dropping around $20M on a joint venture shouldn't be hard while you make your cash.

barineh:
Is "CSTP" a Nigerian company

tdayof:
Center for Space Transport and Propulsion ( CSTP). It's a subsidiary of NASDRA.

http://www.cstd.nasrda.gov.ng/nasdra-agencies/

tdayof:
Nemesis4u. How feasible is developing guided ammunitions such as missiles, rockets etc.

How many years do you think will take a company to work on that successfully.

Nigeria already manufactures rockets. What do you think they need more and how far to go into something better as mentioned above.

nemesis4u:
science related to rockets/missiles is extensive, it encompasses multiple domains and niche specializations

without specifying exactly what type of rockets / missiles the company is looking to develop and insight into the present capabilities of the company it is impossible to say.

it all boils to what the company wants and what capability the company has to leverage

let me give a example

if a company wants a 122mm free flight rocket for the grad MBRL developed from scratch without any external help IMO it will need 5 years or so, it might sound too much time for u but understand this developing and testing a rocket under lab/test conditions is hard enough , real headache starts when u try to convert the test product into a production variant ie develop the manufacturing facilities and ensuring compliance with the test product through out the production stage.

a 122mm free flight rocket development will require expertise and manufacturing capacity build up for

1.specified military grade metallurgy (research intensive and long gestation time)
2.propellant/grain technology (research intensive and long gestation time)
3.specified technology for case bonded rocket motors (research intensive)
4.warhead and explosives
5.fuzes (research intensive and long gestation time)
6.ignitor system
7.stabilizer system
etc
etc

technology being applied will depend on ur choice from old, present to cutting edge and influence time and costs

so if a company wants to develop everything all by itself then it will need significant investment both in terms of money and time.

however the company can outsource / import some of the tech./materials to cut down cost and time still it will be hard pressed for both time and money.

or it can go for TOT and license build it.

simply stated there is no short cut to developing ' proprietary core technology ' nobody will give you that , what u will get through TOT and
co-development is 'KNOW HOW' but not the required 'KNOW WHY' .

so depends on what the company wants and already has to leverage

plz understand it is not possible to play out all scenarios out here , as many viable options exists. ultimately it will depend on the route the company takes.

pa.... took 2 years to get yarmuk 122m rockets under TOT from France into production but they have no IPR over it and thus have not been able leverage it to develop new indigenous rockets .

ind... took around 10 years to get the 214mm Pinaka rockets from development into production, holds the IPR and r developing new versions of it as they please, including entirely new more powerful rockets.

as for guided missiles , frankly it is much more harder to give a time frame , do u know all the processor chips (silicon microbolometer) for IIR seekers, CCDs etc r made by 2-3 companies only globally.

ASTRA took around 10 years , actually 20 years if u factor in the development of core technology and yet has a long way to go.

NAG took 15 years and still going on

it is a different ballgame for western companies/countries since they have access to each others technology and resources ,their development cycle is lower but not necessarily.

missile related work started in the 80s and now it is at stage where it still lags behind western products to some extent but good enough to provide a strong R and D base , knowledge base , technical and manufacturing proficiency to challenge others to some extent.
another 10 years with full funding it will/might equal or overtake the west.

30 years and still not there inspite of limited foreign consultancy at a great price , as i said before nobody will give u 'KNOW WHY' even for money.

now its up to u to decide how much time a company will need , the question has been been thrown back at u

until somebody jumps into a pool he will never know how deep the pool is

note- my answer is related to a company looking to develop and manufacture rockets/missiles and not from a country specific perspective

QuietMynd:
This one weak me

tdayof:
Yes, CSTP owns the technology needed for this development.

How much can it cost to set up a facility @nemesis4u.

The problem is most of our big men here are into oil, real estate and telecommunication.

If we had them in defence. Dropping around $20M on a joint venture shouldn't be hard while you make your cash.

nemesis4u:
for space rockets ?

staggered development of progressively powerful space rockets for low orbits to sun synchronous orbits to geostationary orbits and for increasing tonnages will require billions of dollars investment spread over a period of time .

impossible to put exact amount for me

anyways sounding rockets r a good start , many countries developed their rocket tech while starting from powerful sounding rockets.

tdayof:
For something like this.