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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Roseey0(f): 3:48pm On Nov 27, 2017
faizy90:
Good afternoon mamas in the house.
I've been following this thread for a while now, you're awesome I must confess. I've been trying to conceive for a while but it's to no avail. 4 months ago I had this symptoms so I did the urine test and it came out positive but 4days later my period came since then I've been trying. In October I went home to see my parent and decided to visit my sister then she took me to see her friend's mother who is a midwife, on getting there she told me that am menstruating with pregnancy I was shocked tho but after a series of check up and native medicine am still seeing my period. I don't know what to do please I need help because I didn't test on Saturday last week and my period came on Wednesday
Why not go to a lab and carry out a blood test
Some women menstruate in pregnancy but you need to be sure it's not a threatening abortion.
See a Doc asap
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by 4realwoman: 4:00pm On Nov 27, 2017
FloraEC:


No I'm not angry, I read and corrected myself immediately. I didn't do the concoction thingy, I hate raw eggs and can't imagine having it inside my system. I did only baking soda and baking soda finger and by His Grace it worked for me and according to Google it shouldn't be used for more than 2wks. I did from cd6-cd9 and I thought is the same method for the banana e.t.c
Okay sis. I did both the baking soda finger and the baking soda egg and co ooo grin grin grin
How are you and Lo doing na?
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by mamatwiny(f): 5:06pm On Nov 27, 2017
Reliablejay:
Mamas I have to open this account for this purpose.

I can't tell my pain to anyone that is why I have come here to cry.
I have being married for 3yrs now and we are still looking to God for children. (I have fertility issues). Normally I don't go through dh phone because I trust him and no trace of cheating. But some weeks ago he was showing me something on his phone, and a Whatsapp msg dropped "us at 6 wks". He quickly cleared the screen, I pretended like I did not see anything, but I was worried what that phrase meant though my mind was pointing somewhere but I said to myself it is not possible. But I was not at peace, the next day I decided to snoop. And I got the greatest shock of my life that has ruin my life forever. He is expecting a child with a certain lady, I call her A. I was shattered and devastated. I confronted him, to cut long story he said I should give him 4 days that he would convince A to terminate the pregnancy and end the relationship. On the third day he told me that it over between them and he has give A Money to terminate it. I cried I wanted to die but I could not tell anybody because I did not want my dad to hear of it. And also could not tell a friend. Only told my sister that dh is cheating on me but could not tell her of A's pregnancy because she will tell my dad. I felt betrayed and was totally broken. I last my job last year have not been able to secure another one if not I could have move out of the house.
He apologised over and over said is was 1 big mistake. I tried to put it behind me and move on. I checked his phone one day and noticed he has put a password,immediately I knew something was wrong. on Thursday night I was ables to unlock the phone and saw A was still pregnant and they still keep in touch very well from his call log. He woke up and saw me crying and ask what the problem was I told him and he denied, I took a screen shot of their conversation so I show it to him. He started with another lie saying he is going to ask her to terminate for real and end it all, I said his cross but I am done with him, I can't deal with his betrayal. I have being crying all day I have little savings but it won't take me far. I have been leaving in a fools paradise for over 3yrs thinking I had the best husband. Note before the night I checked his phone our marriage has being hitch free. No quarrels just argument that will not last 2mins he is quick to say sorry whether he is right or wrong.
From their chat A told him a guy called her with an unknown number telling her if she thinks is all pregnancies you can give birth to and she heard a lady's voice on the background so she know it is me that she is scared. She lied against me because I didn't call her and have not discuss this with anybody. Since this morning I have started picking my important things I have no destination but I just want to live
Sorry for boring you people but I just need to let this out before I burst.

Babe, you are not alone. My hubby locks his phone with his finger print for more than 6 months now. Then he 'lost' his wedding ring. The way he guards his phone?
The thing that pains me is that i have given up so many tgings for this marriage.
I cannot be disgraced! Never!

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by wonyi: 6:00pm On Nov 27, 2017
mamatwiny:


Babe, you are not alone. My hubby locks his phone with his finger print for more than 6 months now. Then he 'lost' his wedding ring. The way he guards his phone?
The thing that pains me is that i have given up so many tgings for this marriage.
I cannot be disgraced! Never!

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by happymummy(f): 6:01pm On Nov 27, 2017
Prayer Monday

Alagbara you are the mighty God
Eyin latobiju
You are the glorious God

You are so good
You are so kind
Almighty God
You are so good
You are so kind
Almighty God

Father we bless your name
We worship you
We adore you holy name
There is none like you
You worthy to be praise
Web thank you for the gift of life
We thank you for the salvation of our soul
Take all the glory honour and adoration in Jesus name Amen
We thank you for our lives,we bless your name for our Dhs
We appreciate you for the testimonies that are coming
We thank you for every mama that is pregnant
Wet bless your name on behalf of all nursing mothers and their babies
If all the hair on our head was tongue it won't be enough to praise you

Please Lord have mercy on us all
Forgive us and cleanse us all.from all unrighteousness
Let the blood of Jesus purge us and make us whole in Jesus name Amen

Father show us mercy
Please grant us our heart desires
Cause our joy to full
Please put an end to waiting and delay in conceiving
Please Lord wipe away all our secret and open tears
Puy the enemy to shame in Jesus name Amen
Father touch all our organs and give us good and active organs
We speak to our body concieve, carry and deliver healthy babies in Jesus name Amen
Our marriages shall be fruitful Amen


Lord let your peace reign in our marriages,
We pray against every strange woman,Lord bring confusion into their lives
Our marriages shall be heaven on earth in Jesus name Amen

Please Lord provide for us to enable us buy our medicines and we decree that the drugs will work well for us in Jesus name Amen

We pray for every one pregnant,
We decree and declare there shall be no loss
Toby he glory of God alone it shall be safe delivery
Mother alive,babies alive and Father alive rejoicing and praising God

We pray for every nursing mothers and the babies
Their eyes and hands have seen and carried these babies
We pray in Jesus name they shall be alive to see them fulfil destinies in Jesus name Amen
The babies shall not die,mothers and theirs husbands shall not die in Jesus name Amen

We cover ourselves with the blood of Jesus
Wherever our name's are mentioned favour will.appear for us and our families in Jesus name Amen

May God Almighty open heaven of abundance fruitfulness favour and mighty wonders upon us all in Jesus name Amen

Thank You Lord for hearing and answering us.be though forever glorified in Jesus name Amen

I will.worship you forever
Love you forever
Because this God is too good

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Heebah: 7:02pm On Nov 27, 2017
FloraEC:


No I'm not angry, I read and corrected myself immediately. I didn't do the concoction thingy, I hate raw eggs and can't imagine having it inside my system. I did only baking soda and baking soda finger and by His Grace it worked for me and according to Google it shouldn't be used for more than 2wks. I did from cd6-cd9 and I thought is the same method for the banana e.t.c
Pls mama can u explain how u used d baking soda from cd6-9. Was it orally or how? Pls i will like to know more so i can try it. Thanks
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Tripletwins222: 7:02pm On Nov 27, 2017
Gud evening fruitful sisters nd happy new week.
Sisters, I've not been myself since morning after seeing d culture test results done by my dh last week. We concluded our treatment on infection last two weeks Monday and d doctor said my hubby should come 4 test d following week. He did d test on Thursday last week. The results baffled me today. Imagine, having a low sperm count of 28,000 only, motility- 15%. What can dat do? Where will i even start from? It made me speechless for a while and uncontrollable tears started running down my cheeks. My hope was shattered. Honestly, I was hoping 4 d best ds time as I noticed some changes in my system while on d medications. D egwcm dat ceased to appear for close to a year now appeared wt full force for four days while on d medications. It was extremely stretchy during my ovulation period last cycle. It even amazed me as it worked so fast cos I've taken many things to induce it but to know avail. I was now hoping dat my time has finally come but little did I know dat d result will dash out my hope.

NB: dh sperm count was a little bit low when he tested on June last year. According to d analysis, it was 65millions then. And d normal count given was 70millions. The motility was 25% and d normal was 70% according to them. So how come ds? Dat was my question wen I saw d results. Instead of seeing improvement, we saw d opposite.

We've been taking herbal medicines for treatment of infections and boosting of sperm since dat last year till last month b4 we decided to run culture test and switched to English medications. Sisters, ds ttc issue don tire me. It has drained us so much. Where person wan see money again for ds kind hard time? God, please have mercy on me and my fellow sisters. cry cry cry cry
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by ekashiloh: 7:19pm On Nov 27, 2017
@Reliable.[/quote] That 's my girl,pls cheer up N balance well in ur husband's house.as for ur dad, be careful while telling him so dat he won't be humiliated n sad.tell ur father and ur husband dat untill DNA proof dat he owns d child before u take any action.be very happy with urself now instead of crying. God will do it sonnest.cheers.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Noblekids: 7:47pm On Nov 27, 2017
@ Tripletwins222 please don't be downcast, this journey is emotionally, physically and financially draining. It is just by God's grace that we are still standing. You are lucky that your dh is cooperating, it's not easy to see men take their fertility issues serious. Wipe your tears, encourage yourself and think about the next step. We shall all rejoice with our Lo soon in Jesus name. Amen

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by ekashiloh: 7:49pm On Nov 27, 2017
[/quote] @Mamatwiny,kiiikikiki,i don laugh tireoon,my sister u r not alone,my own strange woman is in Americaoooo,if u see d way my husband will lock himself 2 answer international call,last month he told me his company wants 2 send him abroad 4 2months training,na him i pack his document go keep 4 my mother's box.after dat i go fasting 4 MFM after i told d pst n he prayers against strange women,every mornin now i wil pray "Any strange woman home n abraod trying 2 scatter my home,die by fire".now is calling me fire woman,where is my document,i will tell him God does not want him 2 travel.dat is my own but make una advice meoo please.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by MGeey(f): 8:09pm On Nov 27, 2017
Tripletwins222, dust yourself up and continue this fight until you win. From my understanding, infection affects sperm production and motility a lot. It's a silent fertility enemy. Since they say the body produces new sperm once in 3 months, let hubby take English drugs this time around with vit E & C, fruits and vegetables. At the same time let him cut down on alcohol & cigarettes (ie if he takes them), sugar, wear cotton boxers, sleep naked, do a sitz bath using cold water, in fact he should make cold water his balls friend. It will surely end in praise.

Please if you don't mind, can you share what you took that brought on the ewcm. Thanks.

For those strange women threatening our homes, they will never succeed for our GOD will fight for us and give us victory.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by ekashiloh: 8:39pm On Nov 27, 2017
@trippletwin222,which kind ranting be dis,so na only semen analyses u d vex like dis.abeg calm down first jare.firstly, if u finish infection treatment last two weeks,it is too early to run another culture.becos antibiotic will certainly lower d sperm while trying 2 flush d infection.(2)did d culture show any infection in d sperm? if u there no infection again then don't be alarmous.(3) His count is very ok but border line 4 motility is 40% not 70% .so just work 4 15 % ,rough pap in d morning is very good.choose either welman conception ,fertileaid,evergreen man,addyzoa,manix n add 4 him,4 dat ranting in thread ,u must give ur dh kpekus tonigt.and wen u get bfp ,i will flog 4 ranting 2nite.cheers.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by shithapuns: 8:41pm On Nov 27, 2017
mamatwiny:


Babe, you are not alone. My hubby locks his phone with his finger print for more than 6 months now. Then he 'lost' his wedding ring. The way he guards his phone?
The thing that pains me is that i have given up so many tgings for this marriage.
I cannot be disgraced! Never!

lolz, that the easiest naah, if he is a deep sleeper, simply swipe his finger and unlock the phone grin grin grin grin grin
though if you ask me..its best to let sleeping dogs be. what you will see in that phone may cause you 2 run mad...
ignorance is bliss.
am a man...so i know how we are wired o..pls dont go snooping tru his phone

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Tripletwins222: 9:27pm On Nov 27, 2017
MGeey:
Tripletwins222, dust yourself up and continue this fight until you win. From my understanding, infection affects sperm production and motility a lot. It's a silent fertility enemy. Since they say the body produces new sperm once in 3 months, let hubby take English drugs this time around with vit E & C, fruits and vegetables. At the same time let him cut down on alcohol & cigarettes (ie if he takes them), sugar, wear cotton boxers, sleep naked, do a sitz bath using cold water, in fact he should make cold water his balls friend. It will surely end in praise.

Please if you don't mind, can you share what you took that brought on the ewcm. Thanks.

For those strange women threatening our homes, they will never succeed for our GOD will fight for us and give us victory.

Thanks ma dear.
I was diagnosed of high growth of staph and candidiasis early ds month. My doctor treated dh and I together with injections(augmentin and streptomycin) and some other drugs which include vitamin b complex, multivitamin tablets, acipro tablets, blood tonic and some other drugs I can't remember. I was in my fertile window then but no sign of ewcm except watery mucus. As I commenced the treatment, within a few hours, I noticed some discharge from vj and when I checked, lo and behold, it was ewcm. Tears of joy started flowing from my eyes as I was telling my lost ewcm welcome back. Pls, if any mama here doesn't see her ewcm again, she shld go and run test to figure out if it s infections dat have bn blocking it. It happened to me.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Tripletwins222: 9:43pm On Nov 27, 2017
ekashiloh:
@trippletwin222,which kind ranting be dis,so na only semen analyses u d vex like dis.abeg calm down first jare.firstly, if u finish infection treatment last two weeks,it is too early to run another culture.becos antibiotic will certainly lower d sperm while trying 2 flush d infection.(2)did d culture show any infection in d sperm? if u there no infection again then don't be alarmous.(3) His count is very ok but border line 4 motility is 40% not 70% .so just work 4 15 % ,rough pap in d morning is very good.choose either welman conception ,fertileaid,evergreen man,addyzoa,manix n add 4 him,4 dat ranting in thread ,u must give ur dh kpekus tonigt.and wen u
get bfp ,i will flog 4 ranting 2nite.cheers.

Thanks dear. D culture still shows moderate growth of candidiasis and e.coli. D count is too low sis. 28,000 not 28millions and d motility-15%. Viable- 25%, abnormalities- 75%.
Mama abeg, no flog me now. Reserve ur cane until I get my bfp. Dh sef don tire 4 d whole thing. Which strength and mind him go take do d kpekus na? D bobo just dey pet me since as I dey cry my eyes out. I just dey pity him.
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by curvilicious: 10:30pm On Nov 27, 2017
fertilewomb:


I have no idea.

I have been meaning to ask you. Did your scanty period later correct itself? I experienced scanty period last month ,looking for solution oooo

Cc: curvilicious,I read you experienced scanty period before your Bfp abeg how you take takle am?

Am sorry it took this long. Hope I'm not coming late.
The scanty period improved with bitterleaf therapy but returned to scanty once i stop the bitterleaf therapy. I can't remember the scanty period improve on its own.
I only remember adding some vitamins & warm water first thing in the morning to my regiment as advised by a mama here nd using serraptase.

I'm struggling to remember o you know why? because when the Lord turned around the captivity of Zion
We were like them that dream
Then was our mouth filled with laughter

So shall it be into you, sis
The Egyptians(ttc) you see today, they shall be gone forever and you wont remember how & how you overcame. Just as i can't remember vividly

Baby dust

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by curvilicious: 10:46pm On Nov 27, 2017
Heebah:
Pls mama can u explain how u used d baking soda from cd6-9. Was it orally or how? Pls i will like to know more so i can try it. Thanks

I also did the baking soda thingy at a point
You add the baking soda to warm water stir till dissolve nd drink
Then the baking soda finger, you dip ur middle finger in water to moisten it then dip d finger in the baking soda powder. Finally dip d finger covered in baking soda in ur vajayjay
Shikena
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by curvilicious: 11:01pm On Nov 27, 2017
Reliablejay, i feel ur pain
A woman in her late 40s approached my dh, greeted nd asked after me. After which dh said she told him she is aware we don't have children yet(we weren't even expecting) that he shld impregnated her so she can bear children for him shocked(may thunder fire her) God have mercy on me. Can you imagine that? I know this lady very well. I even greet her good morning ma! Not knowing she was my arch enemy. So, there are so many crazy, desperate women out there. Don't give that witch an easy entry into your home.
Guess what? D devil knows how to want to drive you out of your home when you are at the verge of your breakthrough.
I can only say plz travel if you cant stand being in the house to give urself a break. Got hates divorce.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by fertilewomb: 7:55am On Nov 28, 2017
@curvilicious mama thanks. Indeed when God visits all our pains will be forgotten, that same God that did it for you will do it for us all

Mamatwiny, Don't bother trying to snoop into hubby's phone. The heart attack that follows is too much. Just know it that nobody go born baby for your dh except you.

Ekashiloh, lol, the things women go through in marriage are too much. TTC has turned so many happy homes to something else. May God kill every form of infertility in our body IJN.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by lapagegirl(f): 8:43am On Nov 28, 2017
Mamas pls help me touch light dis hormonal assay result.
FSH. 4.49
LH. 4.81
PROLACTIN. 11.29
PROG. 61.81
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Adiahaakwaibom1(f): 8:53am On Nov 28, 2017
CravingChic:
Adiahaakwaibom, abadie. Good to see you here. Trust you are doing well sis. Much love to you.
Idioke my Sister. Taking it one day @ a time
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by ekashiloh: 9:16am On Nov 28, 2017
Tripletwins222:


Thanks dear. D culture still shows moderate growth of candidiasis and e.coli. D count is too low sis. 28,000 not 28millions and d motility-15%. Viable- 25%, abnormalities- 75%.
Mama abeg, no flog me now. Reserve ur cane until I get my bfp. Dh sef don tire 4 d whole thing. Which strength and mind him go take do d kpekus na? D bobo just dey pet me since as I dey cry my eyes out. I just dey pity him.
Be happy dear,they are some men dat dont even hv sperm 2 count.but i really doubt this result considering d treatment u just finished n ur last culture with good count.has mamas have advice,try n add supplement like fertilsan 2 him.rough pap,carrot,n plenty water melon is very good.my friend said her mid wife told her to give it 4 her dh everymoni and she got bfp in 7weeks.pls dont 4get 2 kpekus becos it is God dat give children oo. bfp soonest.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by dbeauty(f): 10:49am On Nov 28, 2017
curvilicious:


Am sorry it took this long. Hope I'm not coming late.
The scanty period improved with bitterleaf therapy but returned to scanty once i stop the bitterleaf therapy. I can't remember the scanty period improve on its own.
I only remember adding some vitamins & warm water first thing in the morning to my regiment as advised by a mama here nd using serraptase.

I'm struggling to remember o you know why? because when the Lord turned around the captivity of Zion
We were like them that dream
Then was our mouth filled with laughter

So shall it be into you, sis
The Egyptians(ttc) you see today, they shall be gone forever and you wont remember how & how you overcame. Just as i can't remember vividly

Baby dust

Amen! This shall be my testimony in Jesus name..

How are you mama Curvy? So good to read from you.. Strength like that of the Hebrew women shall be your portion in Jesus name. We cover you with the blood of Jesus.

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by curvilicious: 10:59am On Nov 28, 2017
fertilewomb:
Indeed when God visits all our pains will be forgotten, that same God that did it for you will do it for us all
Amen!
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by curvilicious: 10:59am On Nov 28, 2017
dbeauty:


Amen! This shall be my testimony in Jesus name..

How are you mama Curvy? So good to read from you.. Strength like that of the Hebrew women shall be your portion in Jesus name. We cover you with the blood of Jesus.

Amen! Amen!! Amen!!!

Baby dust ma

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Heebah: 11:11am On Nov 28, 2017
curvilicious:


I also did the baking soda thingy at a point
You add the baking soda to warm water stir till dissolve nd drink
Then the baking soda finger, you dip ur middle finger in water to moisten it then dip d finger in the baking soda powder. Finally dip d finger covered in baking soda in ur vajayjay
Shikena
Thanks mama curvy! Kissess to lo

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Ronnygold(f): 12:37pm On Nov 28, 2017
It is a sign of low progesterone

Janix2:
Mamas,abeg I get one small question to ask,shey is normal to have brown spotting immediately after one finish seeing Af,for instance Af finished on saturday,next two days after brown spoting,hope is normal?
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Janix2: 1:31pm On Nov 28, 2017
Ronnygold:
It is a sign of low progesterone


Dear,is not before period o,after when the period is rounding up,little blood that looks brown(like old blood) follows immediately after. I be dey think say na normal
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Janix2: 1:36pm On Nov 28, 2017
Curvi mama,a big amen to your prayer,good to hear from u,how is lo kicking! Safe delivery is your portion in Jesus Name! Amen!

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Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by FruitfulRay(f): 2:24pm On Nov 28, 2017
Wow... congrats dear, wishing you many more happy and fruitful months. God is indeed faithful

MumJJJ:
wow, finally I was able to register.
Good day, wonderful and fruitful mamas. I have come to share my testimony with you as I promised myself I will do.
I found out about this forum through google in 2015 while ttc. Though I was a peeper all through my stay here cos I couldn't register.
Please wonderful mamas please help me and thank God who changed my name to mummy twins( twin boys).
And I pray for all mamas here that the God who made me mummy twins will do more for you in Jesus name! Amen.
I will share all I did with you cos I really learnt a lot from here. Thanks
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by FruitfulRay(f): 2:29pm On Nov 28, 2017
My dear, pray and let God direct you. If your gynea is good, I'll rather you trust her and go with it, I know the money is high, but do it, I pray you will testify before the end of the 3months.

God bless you


orney:
Good morning mums, happy new day to you all....

To say am sad is an understatement

Was billed 150k by my gynea for treatment of pcos for 3 months cry cry cry

To say m also confused is an understatement, because, i see AF everymonth, scan says my ovaries are not polycystic...

I read vitex is not got for pcos cos it increases the LH but it normalized by cycle to 28days instead of d 34 days i v bn experiencing lately

Abeg, sabi mamas, help me out with possible solution on dis pcos matter

NB: i am presently self medicating on met. formin, vi. ex, maca and on a diet to reduce 5kg or more from my present weight
Re: Trying To Conceive A Child? TTC by Tripletwins222: 3:09pm On Nov 28, 2017
ekashiloh:
Be happy dear,they are some men dat dont even hv sperm 2 count.but i really doubt this result considering d treatment u just finished n ur last culture with good count.has mamas have advice,try n add supplement like fertilsan 2 him.rough pap,carrot,n plenty water melon is very good.my friend said her mid wife told her to give it 4 her dh everymoni and she got bfp in 7weeks.pls dont 4get 2 kpekus becos it is God dat give children oo. bfp soonest.

Mama, I really appreciate ur concern. My sadness has turned to joy as dh and I met d senior doctor who has been treating us. She collected d test result and told us dat d count has improved to 28millions. We were like shocked and we asked her 28mls or 28thousands? She said there s nothing like 28th. D dot after d 28 means millions (28.000). We told him how d assistant doctor and d lab man interpreted d result as 28thousand and it nearly caused us high bp. She then told us dat d lab man only takes down d results of d test as shown but doesn't know how to interpret. We both heaved a sigh of relief. She said d count is OK but d motility is very low. She then placed dh on manix capsules. To be taken with powdered milk twice a day from now till 3months time after which he will go for another test. She said d drugs she used 4 us will be able to flush out d remaining infections and d drugs are still in our system. I really thank God 4 ds as happiness has taken over my sadness of yestaday. Thank u Jesus.

Mama, ds rough pap dat u mentioned, pls do u mean d raw one without adding hot water?

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