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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 9:30pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
lagostokd:You know me, or people like me? I honestly believed I was unique. Be that as it may be. I quote a list of the inhabitants of the land according to Genesis 15. On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaite, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites." The Rephaites, known as Phoenicians by the Greeks, were one of the groups of people who occupied the land that is described as "either a people of greater-than-average height and stature (possibly giants), or to dead ancestors who are residents of the Netherworld". The point however is that the land the Israelites eventually stole belonged to some people whom they stole it from. |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 9:44pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
harbjar: What is nonsense about the FACT that God, whose name is Yahweh is different from the Islamic God whose name is Allah? Firstly, since you re comparing, yoy shouldn't have used the name God's book for bible.. Its bias The Bible is very clear on monogamy! The standard for marriages was set in Genesis 2: 22-24 The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. God, in Malachi 2: 13 - 15 sanctioned monogamy because it produces godly offsprings And this is the second thing you do: You cover the altar of the Lord with tears, With weeping and crying; So He does not regard the offering anymore, Nor receive it with goodwill from your hands. Yet you say, “For what reason?” Because the Lord has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion And your wife by covenant. But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth. In 1 Timothy 3:2, the Bible is clear on monogamy expected of a Christian leader Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, There are numerous verses in the Bible that teaches polygamy of which I only pointed out few just to counter your lies. Are you really in agreement with the Quranic verse that you qouted? 'And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.' It's obvious Islam sanctioned sex slaves and forceful marriages; no wonder, boko-haram could religiously boast about marrying captured Chibok girls, and an Emir could forceful marry Christian girls in Nigeria's north without any backlash from the security agents. Thirdly. You said women re not respected in islam.... Pls het the quran and read pls and authentic hadiths to learn about what is said about women.. The quran also says; This question should address the place of women in Islam if you can think objectively. The reward for muslims who dies in the cause of Jihad is 72 Houris in Aljana; what is the reward of muslim women in aljana? |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 9:56pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
budaatum:Your response is clear enough. Now, you claimed they 'stole' it; who should they return it back to since the giants are all dead? |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 10:12pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
menxer: Its obvious your mind is already made up and not open to knowledge. The rubbish you posted have already been addressed in my previous posts |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:28pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
lagostokd:I said they stole it from the very beginning. I'm sorry, but how can you claim to "know people like me" when you can't bother to read the only evidence you have for my existence? I even accepted your "giant" claim, but you refused to read it and make allegations about knowing me! I haven't said it should be returned, least not to "giants" of some 2000 years ago plus. However another theft occurred in 1947, and this time, from the Palestinians. So, if you're thinking of giving it back, give it to them thank you very much. The Balfour Declaration 1 Like |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 10:41pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
budaatum: So it's now MY giant claim? Isn't that your 'claim' too in your previous post? Like I mentioned earlier, the major problem here is your inability to accept knowledge outside your believe system. Read history; read books and be enlightened!
So you mean they shouldn't return the land to the 'original owners' but to the Palestinians. Where were the 'Palestinians' when the Israelites 'stole' the land from the giants thousands of years ago? Only lazy history students will even mention 'Palestinians' in the first place |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:42pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
Oh, I get it. You want me to go prove that Yahweh and Allah are the same thing? Oh sorry. What do I know except they both hold on to Abraham, both created the world, and Adam and Eve, and Mary, and Jesus, and the angel Gabriel, and both refer to the same areas and talk about the same god and lots more that's pretty the same in both books that describe them. The later book even claims the first book is one of its texts, albeit they claim its current version has been corrupted. But, I guess different folks make up the gods that suit them. It sure would explain the differences. P.s. I don't have to read slowly, specially not what I write. lagostokd: |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 10:47pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
budaatum: I'll like you read this link https://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:49pm On Nov 11, 2017 |
lagostokd:You know very well that your only history book is your bible so stop trying to shove it down other peoples throat as if you're being objective! Giants my ass! You read that in a history book?! You're trying to hide your ineptitude and ignorance in condescension and insults, but you need to go learn some. You're rather poor at it! 1 Like |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 12:34am On Nov 12, 2017 |
budaatum: Why can't you stop being lazy and read about giants who once lived on this earth? The internet is an open library! You're trying to hide your ineptitude and ignorance in condescension and insults, but you need to go learn some. You're rather poor at it! Don't take it personal, just be open minded; study and get knowledge |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 12:59am On Nov 12, 2017 |
lagostokd:Next you'd be telling me to go read about unicorns with golden horns! If you really want to know about the conflict between the Jews and the Palestinians, you would have to dig much deeper than a few links to a website. There's a lot of proper books out there, but ensure you read widely so you don't just feed yourself one side of the story. And please, do yourself some credit. Any book that mentions "giants" and literally means "giants", I advise you drop it in a dustbin. |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by onlyTheTruth(m): 1:10am On Nov 12, 2017 |
the Muslim jesus cn never b d jesus in d corrupt book wit plenty contradictions, lies, unfulfilled prophesies, porn, a book edited many times to suit d reader, jus a few contradictions for u to fix for me, many bibles have tried damage control on some verses, but it didn't work 1) ezra 2;2-63 and Nehemiah 7;7-65 same names, different numbers ezra 2:64, if u add up, the sum is 29,818 and not 42,360 as d bible said. nehemiah 7:66. the sum is 31,089 and not 42,360 2) ezra 2:65, it says 200 singing men n women Nehimiah 7:67, it says 245 3) 2kings 24:8, joachin ws 18 wen he began to reign, n reigned for 3mths 10 days 2chronicles 36:9 he ws 8yrs and ruled for 3 months 4)1kings 7:26.. 2000 baths 2cronicles 4:5 3000 baths 5)2kings 8:26 ahesia ws 22 yrs wen he began to reign 2chronicles 22:2 he ws 42 wen he began to reign 6)In 1 Kings 16:6-8, Baasha dies and his throne is given to his son Elah in the "twenty and sixth year of Asa" . However, in 2 Chronicles 16:1, Baasha comes up against Judah in the "six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa" . How can Baasha die in the 26th year of Asa and be alive in the 36th year of Asa? 7)2 Chronicles 22:2 Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he became king, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, people involved in the battlefield 2samuels 24:9 In Israel there were 800k able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah 500k 1chronicles 21:5 ..1,100,000 warriors in Israel who could handle a sword, and 470,000 in Judah. same reporter dictating to d two writers different figures on the same thing. 2samuels 6:23 Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. 2samuels 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, 9) 1 Corinthians 14:33, God s not the author of confusion.. therefore, God cannot be illogical.. genesis 1: 3-5 light ws created on d first day u cnt have day or night without d rotation of the earth, so if light ws created on the first day, without a source , and without earth, then day and night is illogical in this case and God is not illogical.. genesis 1: 14-19, cause of light, sun , stars etc, wer created on the 4th day genesis 1:9-13, earth was created on the third day 1 Like |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by harbjar(m): 9:33am On Nov 12, 2017 |
lagostokd:In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry. In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines. In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines. In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...." There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy, but I think that the above are sufficient enough to prove my point. So basically what you just said is abraham who had two wives, moses who had three wives, david, solomon etc all Great men of God in the bible committed adultery..... Then on ur last point that if a man dies during jihad amd, he would be given 72virgins in the heaven Pls quote me an ayah in the Quran that shows this ..thank you 1 Like |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 10:16am On Nov 12, 2017 |
lagostokd: Never be the first to descend to the underworld of name calling, it's like multiplying any thing with zero. 1 Like |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:19pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
lagostokd:Here's one for you. It might help you understand how your giants came about. But I'd advise you read Jack and the beanstalk instead. I suspect it would do you much more good. |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:26pm On Nov 12, 2017 |
Ioseph:Here's a post you should have heeded op. |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 12:05am On Nov 16, 2017 |
And the lesson is, those who live in glass houses should beware of stone throwing. Or, taking from a book many seem to have read, "Judge not least ye be judged" Oh, "and puny people should beware of intellectual giants!" |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:34pm On Nov 29, 2017 |
harbjar: Your statement "There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy"is very wrong because God never permitted any of them to marry more than one wife. God wants monogamy for the purpose of raising godly children. Read Malachi 2: 15 - 16 Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.” Your Allah commanded otherwise Quran 4:3 "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess." Your Allah approved of marriage to two, three, or four. In fact, your Allah approves marrying captive girls. (Chibok girls come to mind). Isn't your Allah the inspiration for boko haram marrying off some Chibok girls? |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:52pm On Nov 29, 2017 |
onlyTheTruth: It's good we're on the same page that Jesus Christ whose purpose was to die for the sins of the world and resurrected on the third day - ascended to heaven and given a name that is above every other name, that at the mention of the name of Jesus, every knee must bow and every tongue confess that he is the Lord is totally different from the Isah jesus version of Islamic prophet Mohammed: the Isah jesus that was a prophet of the allah. The falsehood of claiming to be Jesus didn't start with Islam, it started many years before Islam in Acts 13:6 when a false prophet called Bar-Jesus was operating. Islam also created their own version of Jesus called Isah to deceive many just like Bar-Jesus of old. Even in recent times, a lot of people have been claiming to be Jesus e.g Jesus of Oyingbo, Jesus of Mushin See more people in history claiming to be Jesus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus They would have had more 'believers' like Islam if they had used sword and war to propagate their falsehood like Islam Don't be in this falsehood,come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ today |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by harbjar(m): 10:29pm On Nov 30, 2017 |
lagostokd:you still haven't answered my questions.... Did moses, abraham, David, Solomon etc that all married more than one wife commit adultery.... Because God said do not commit adultery.... And if they did why didn't God raise a single verse to condemn them for adultery |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 10:39am On Dec 13, 2017 |
harbjar: They all suffered the consequences of marrying multiple wives Abraham's own through Hagar produced Ishmael, whose spiritual descendants are Muslims - the troublemakers of the world David's wives were humiliated before all Israel 2 Sam 16:22. David suffered other consequences of adultery Solomon's multiple wives turned him to worship idols which was detestable in the sight of God God's perfect plan for mankind is one man to one wife. He created Adam and Eve; not Adam and multiple Eves. Any God that commands you to marry multiple wives is NOT the true God. Women are not properties to be owned, they are God's creation to be loved and adored |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Kobojunkie: 2:35am On Jan 21, 2023 |
lagostokd:Interesting compilation! |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Maynman: 9:32am On Jan 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Yahweh worshipper |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Kobojunkie: 4:45pm On Jan 21, 2023 |
ashjay001:Why should you let those men decide these things for you? Why not access God directly in order to have your questions answered by Him? |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Kobojunkie: 7:01am On Feb 08, 2023 |
menxer:1. Interesting! Well, given that Jesus Christ came as an Israelites and reported that He was sent by His Father only to those who are of Israel, what do you think? 2. Everybody speaks at some point in time in metaphors, allegories, parables, etc. These are language constructs that even the average individual uses from time to time. So, Jesus's use of these same tools in His teachings does not change anything of the Truth as declared by Him nor does it imply an understanding of the one who is God's Law is not available to all those for who the message was meant. For Pete's sake, Jesus Christ taught His Gospel to fishermen and other laymen of His time. |
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Kobojunkie: 7:44pm On Feb 08, 2023 |
menxer:Again, not attempting to hold brief for any others here ... 1. He is the King of Kings and the other kings are all of those who belong to Him in the Kingdom of God. They are to become kings to rule with Him over all the kingdoms of the world. 2. He is God of gods given that all those who belong to Him are also gods — Sons of God. 3. Lucifer is a myth created in the minds of men. It is not of scripture. Instead, Jesus Christ is described as the Brighter morning star in Scripture - Revelations 22 vs 16 |
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