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Kog45:
I don't know why a lot don't normally get simple message.

Reno blaming Obama on Libyan crisis was just to drive his point on how Obama influenced 2015 election,nothing more.

That is correct! Obama really influenced the 2015 election, but Jonathan was not smart enough to understand the treachery of the Northern politicians and their soft spot for BH.

tiwiex:
U have always blamed Hilary for Libya. Reno just reset my brain. Obama was the president at the time. He takes the blame squarely. I don't know Y they wanted Libya so bad. Some say oil. I think Hilary just thrives on personal vendetta like Putin. I suspect something happened bw her and Gaddafi and she never let go. I am also happy she didn't make it tho. She didn't deserve or earn to be president.

Of course, the blame stops with Obama considering he was the President, but Hillary wasn't a reluctant party in that poorly-hqndled regime change. There was nobody to take over once Gaddafi was removed, all they could fantasise about was removing him, whatever followed wasn't their business. Gaddafi also did himself and the country no favours, obviously, there's a power vacuum because of non-existent political institutions.

And yes, it was all about oil. Look around and you'll notice America hasn't entered North Korea because there's nothing to ne gained by going there. Even the Syrian debacle was oil-related. It's really a complex issue that truly can't be addressed with just one post.

SalamRushdie:
Only shallow people will disagree with this

I was hoping you would throw more light on your statement. He just made a statement and backed it up with glaring facts. I agree, if you think I'm shallow then show us how deep your thoughts are. Expecting your response. Thanks

In erigga's voice

REST IN PEACE TO GADDAFI O MY MAIN MAN

Y DEM KIL AM
UP TILL NOW I NEVA UNDASTAND

Adminisher:
IGNORANCE

Omokri is an IGNORANT coward and a liar

It was Europe (France) that overthrew Gadhaffi.

Obama was a late comer to Libyan involvement. In fact, personally Obama was he most reluctant western Leader to commit to supporting Libyan rebels. All these things were admitted in Public by Gadhaffi himself.
Obama (a highly evolved person) himself has said Libya was one of his mistakes. He said it clear, simple without equivication.

Hilary Clinton then a Senator and most Republicans were mounting unbelievable pressure. She went in public to even say Obama was leading from the back.

Ultimately it was French backed rebels and a French plane that attacked Gadhaffi's convoy and got him captured and executed.

Why are people who don't know always making comments. And why does Omokri find it easy to confuse half baked Nigerian youths with pea brains

Bro you are calling him ignorant but on the same page with him. If Obama himself admits Libya as his mistake then why are you blaming France and Co? Don't act like you don't know that these countries you mentioned are allies with USA sitting at the head of the table. Long and short, USA wanted Gadhafi dead, whoever sent the first jet fighter or weapons support to the rebels notwithstanding

America and all these other Developed countries have a policy of eliminating their threats.. Gaddafi was a threat to America and they got him out of the way and as far as I am concerned he did right by his country... As for the aftermath of their actions, it is none of their business and rightly so... It is our own problem
The libyans ousted their government without a succession plan... They are as dumb as the rest of the africans... Africa useless gan

magoo10:
Sometimes I am tempted to accept that Obama is the "devil" people call him.

Same way he stationed gun ships in the gulf of guinea prior to the 2015 elections to make sure that regime change in Nigeria was possible and refusal to sell weapons to be used in fighting Boko Haram.

What do we have today? An irresponsible leader who has turned the nations economy upside down with hunger and famine, thereby making smaller nations currency have an edge over the Nigerian naira.

What's this one saying sef

tiwiex:
U have always blamed Hilary for Libya. Reno just reset my brain. Obama was the president at the time. He takes the blame squarely. I don't know Y they wanted Libya so bad. Some say oil. I think Hilary just thrives on personal vendetta like Putin. I suspect something happened bw her and Gaddafi and she never let go. I am also happy she didn't make it tho. She didn't deserve or earn to be president.

Guess you did not get the true picture!

1. The US government was trying to install their puppet in Libya because US was supporting a secular leader, Mahmoud Jibril, in a vote for prime minister due on 12 September then. If Jibril won, the Libyan security warned, they would "no longer guarantee security".

2. The US model led to a forceful invasion Libya and blood was spilled.

3. The US tried their model in Nigeria and successfully executed their plan by providing support for the media wing of APC, betraying the GEJ government by failing to supply Nigeria with weapons based on the APC propaganda.

4. The Northern collusion with Obama led to a successful sabotage of the GEJ government and the APC stylishly rode on the ignorance of the masses.

5. Jonathan was not smart enough for the position of president because he failed to prosecute some corrupt folks.

6. The collusion alliance enjoyed by the APC with Obama won't be possible in 2019, because Trump does not identify with the APC agenda.

7. Clinton Hillary could have further supported the Northern agenda.

8. 2019 is here, let's see how the game is going to pan out. Atiku is already colluding with the British... Other collusion will become evident as time goes on.

9. Most of our politicians are saboteurs who ride on the goodwill of the masses in order to perfect their personal agenda and not the interest of the nation.

MrOlai:
GHADAFI


"I will not go into exile to any foreign country. I was born here in Libya, and I will die here. This country was a dessert, and I turned it into a forest, where everything can grow.
No one Love this land more more than its citizens. If Europe and America tells you that they love you, be careful. They love the wealth of your land. The oil and not the people. They are helping you to fight against me but, it will be more wise for you to fight against them because they are fighting against your future and progress.

My message to you the people of Libya is, they are helping you to kill me but you will pay the price because you will suffer. And my message to you America and Europe is, you will kill me, but be ready to fight a never ending TERRORISM.
Before you realise your ignorance, terrorists will be hitting you at your doorstep."

GADDAFI once told the Nigerian and British governments to divide Nigeria into two, so that the Hausa/Fulani (Moslems), Yoruba (Christians) and Biafrans/Igbo, can live as neighbouring countries.

It's good we look at these 16 REAL REASONS WHY COL. GADDAFI WAS KILLED:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya, electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens are at a 0% interest by law.

3. Home is considered a human right in Libya. Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinars (US$50,000) from the government to buy their first apartment.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi, only 25% of Libyans were literates. Today, the figure stands at 83%.

6. Libyans taking up farming as a career, they received farm land, a farming house, equipment, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they needed in Libya, the government funded them to go abroad for it.

8. In Gaddafi's Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child under Gaddafi, received US $5,000 as child benefit upfront.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree.

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man- Made River Project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

If this is called "Dictatorship", I wonder what type of Leadership Democrats have!!

I wonder o ma brother
Gaddafi is really a good man

Marvel1206:
I AGREE

I too concur

its not Obama that people should blame but Nicholas Sarkozy. I read in one the top western media house site that sarkozy was the one who was pushing to overthrow Gaddafi because he wanted his country's forex reserve to be in gold bullion and some other economic policy which would have severely hurt French and other western economies

magoo10:
Sometimes I am tempted to accept that Obama is the "devil" people call him.

Same way he stationed gun ships in the gulf of guinea prior to the 2015 elections to make sure that regime change in Nigeria was possible and refusal to sell weapons to be used in fighting Boko Haram.

What do we have today? An irresponsible leader who has turned the nations economy upside down with hunger and famine, thereby making smaller nations currency have an edge over the Nigerian naira.

You are intelligent! . I never knew we still have intelligent folks like this on Nairaland. You could see through the lenses... Smart guy! That is international politics for you... The idea was to install a puppet who will ground the Nigerian economy. Hahahahahahah dull folks can't understand how it all panned out. 2019 will be a dramatic ride .... Your thoughts are perfect bro!

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Dsov2016:
its not Obama that people should blame but Nicholas Sarkozy. I read in one the top western media house site that sarkozy was the one who was pushing to overthrow Gaddafi because he wanted his country's forex reserve to be in gold bullion and some other economic policy which would have severely hurt French and other western economies

This is the point. Reno will blame Obama because his weak, unqualified and corrupt principal was "allegedly" pushed out after said guy spent all Nigeria's resources to win elections.

100% with you on this Mr RENO Omokri.

LifestyleTonite:
Reno Omokri reacts to the situation of slavery in Libya were sub-saharan Africans attempting to cross into Europe from Libya are sold into slavery.


His post:



http://www.purplefeel.com/2017/11/history-kind-obama-reno-omokri-slavery-libya.html

The guy isn't black, and he doesn't see himself as a black man or an African.

Adminisher:
My problem is why Sakorzy and Europeans are not captured in your blame. Why also are you forgiving Gadhaffi for terrorism, killings and bombings.

Why only OBAMA?

Is it because you think Obama booted Goodluck?. It is a wrong notion but if Obama booted out Goodluck we must give him our highest national award.

By the way, do you know that the attitude of racism against Nigerian that became slavery grew under Gadhaffi. Go and read papers during OBJ era, Nigerians have been running through Libya to Europe even before his regime and they were treating us like shit.

I have Nairaland posts from the period of Gadhaffi overthrow and no Jonathan supporter saw any wrong in Gadhaffi overthrow.
Everybody was cheering.

All of you called Gadhaffi who was almost 50 years in power and was lining up his sons to succeed himself a tyrant.. and you were RIGHT.

Because NATO is nothing without the US

US take care of 75% of NATO military expenses

Europe are servants of the United States

The reason why they all don't want Trump...he told them to pay up that US can no longer foot their bill

since Trump start showing less interest in NATO, have you heard them going to any war

because they are coward without the United States

To make it clear to you Obama the AZZ hole destroyed Lybia

You are a real mugu. France, Britain, Japan, Australia, Canada and the rest are all vassal. They all come under one control structure. NATO's budget is mostly paid by America. NATO is a vassal created by America to counter Russia during the communist days. France and the mentioned countries are irrelevant, they just put a name on it to make it sound like countries are coming together. Even Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Jordan are all vassals too. Germany, France and Britain are even under US. occupation with US. military bases stationed in their country, Even Japan and South Korea are under occupation as well, they don't have independent policies, America and Zionist Israel dictates to all. You are indeed a mugu. US has no allies, only terrified hostages. Europe is a slave continent used to project American imperialism. I will say it for the third time- You are a big mugu

Adminisher:
The Europeans destroyed Gadhaffi. Obama was just lobbied and pressured into it by Sakorzy/Hollande (then French Presidents), Merkel and by most top US politicians. They even called him weak when he was not showing commitment.

There are too many IGNORANT people on Nairaland.
What do you guys know about Gadhaffi. Some of us were in university when Gadhaffi was young, handsome dynamic and doing progressive things helping to fight Apartheid in S. Africa, fighting Israel because of Palestinian land... you did not know him then because you were not born.
When he was old, unprogressiv, tyrannical and causing problems in North Africa you also did not know .

Gadhaffi blew up an entire plane filled with hundreds of people over Lockerbie. You have to be childish not to expect consequences from the Europeans.
Please keep wasting your sympathy for Gadhaffi or Libya if you want but I would say use God's mind to judge everything.

I don't blame Europeans for conning, deceiving and destroying the guy. If you have been in a plane with kids, old and innocent people at 35000 ft you will understand what blowing up a plane at that altitude means.

What of destabilization. The man Gadhaffi had three major plots in Northern Nigeria alone, he invaded Chad and was beaten back many times . The militarization of the entire region was done by him.

The problem with Omokris of this world is they simplify and insult the intelligence of the social media generation who don't have the brains or attention span to do research.

In case you don't know; Gadhaffi, Mugabe, Mandela, Augustino Neto/ Santos of Angola were of the same mold of anti western, anti imperialist freedom fighters of a certain era.

The lesson is that Gadhaffi, Mugabe and Santos later became tyrannical, anti democratic and they tried to perpetuate themselves in power and we're disgraced. Don't blame personalities.

Let me shock you some more. It will happen to Putin if he does not leave the scene when the time is ripe.

timesup234:
You are a real mugu.rael dictates to all. You are indeed a mugu. US has no allies, only terrified hostages. Europe is a slave continent used to project American imperialism. I will say it for the third time- You are a big mugu

You don't have to call people mugu. Just air your views and we'll all learn from it.
Shalom

Dont even bother educating this fools...Obama is a soft target. Chances are the same shit took place on a low scale while Gadhaffi was in charge.

Adminisher:
IGNORANCE

Omokri is an IGNORANT coward and a liar

It was Europe (France) that overthrew Gadhaffi.

Obama was a late comer to Libyan involvement. In fact, personally Obama was he most reluctant western Leader to commit to supporting Libyan rebels. All these things were admitted in Public by Gadhaffi himself.
Obama (a highly evolved person) himself has said Libya was one of his mistakes. He said it clear, simple without equivication.

Hilary Clinton then a Senator and most Republicans were mounting unbelievable pressure. She went in public to even say Obama was leading from the back.

Ultimately it was French backed rebels and a French plane that attacked Gadhaffi's convoy and got him captured and executed.

Why are people who don't know always making comments. And why does Omokri find it easy to confuse half baked Nigerian youths with pea brains

Adminisher:
IGNORANCE

Omokri is an IGNORANT coward and a liar

It was Europe (France) that overthrew Gadhaffi.

Obama was a late comer to Libyan involvement. In fact, personally Obama was he most reluctant western Leader to commit to supporting Libyan rebels. All these things were admitted in Public by Gadhaffi himself.
Obama (a highly evolved person) himself has said Libya was one of his mistakes. He said it clear, simple without equivication.

Hilary Clinton then a Senator and most Republicans were mounting unbelievable pressure. She went in public to even say Obama was leading from the back.

Ultimately it was French backed rebels and a French plane that attacked Gadhaffi's convoy and got him captured and executed.

Why are people who don't know always making comments. And why does Omokri find it easy to confuse half baked Nigerian youths with pea brains

of all people to even listen to its reno omokri. Pea brained nigerian youth

Nukilia:
Reno i s not a sincere person! GEJ with other African leaders watched while Qaddafi was being butchered on the soil of Africa. Posterity will never forget the silence of the greedy AU leaders who should have sent troops to restore order in Libya when Qaddafi was being hunted by the American mercenaries.

"Reno is not a sincere person" choose your words carefully so you expect Reno and GEJ to fight while there's a whole lot of African leaders and the greedy AU leaders like you said.

Nukilia:
You are intelligent! . I never knew we still have intelligent folks like this on Nairaland. You could see through the lenses... Smart guy! That is international politics for you... The idea was to install a puppet who will ground the Nigerian economy. Hahahahahahah dull folks can't understand how it all panned out. 2019 will be a dramatic ride .... Your thoughts are perfect bro!

How dumb can you be? Really, a puppet? so the GEJ you know that couldnt even stop his own staff from looting the country dry would have been a hard nut for the west abi? that they will now need to take him out to give way for a 'puppet'. Obama was simply disgusted with GEJ's cluelessness take it or leave it.

silastemplar:
How dumb can you be?[s][/s] Really, a puppet? so the GEJ you know that couldnt even stop his own staff from looting the country dry would have been a hard nut for the west abi? that they will now need to take him out to give way for a 'puppet'. Obama was simply disgusted with GEJ's cluelessness take it or leave it.

Can you please articulate your points and communicate your points intelligently?
Thanks

summerky:
"Reno is not a sincere person" choose your words carefully so you expect Reno and GEJ to fight while there's a whole lot of African leaders and the greedy AU leaders like you said.

At least he should be fair

seguno2:
Why don’t blacks accept responsibility for their failures and successes?
Is Obama responsible for the stealing, looting and corruption that has made Nigeria a rotten country to the extent that our youths are running away to Libya?

Omokri's post is not about Nigeria or blacks. Our problems are well documented. This is about what Libya was like before Gaddaffi was toppled? It is about the needless, calculated decapitation of Libya's leadership in 2011, that lead to the destabilization of one of Africa's most stable, prosperous countries under the guise of sharing democracy by NATO & it's allies at the behest of US. I remind you of Hilary Clinton's (who was then Secretary of State) comment when Gaddafi was toppled - "We came, we saw, he died". This laid the foundation for Libya as a new terror hotspot. The rest is history as Libya slides back into the stone age. Thankfully in the 2016 elections she more than met her match in Putin who vowed not to see her continue from where Obama left off in Syria/Middle East.

Cc: TWoods

I am in tears

MrOlai:
GHADAFI


"I will not go into exile to any foreign country. I was born here in Libya, and I will die here. This country was a dessert, and I turned it into a forest, where everything can grow.
No one Love this land more more than its citizens. If Europe and America tells you that they love you, be careful. They love the wealth of your land. The oil and not the people. They are helping you to fight against me but, it will be more wise for you to fight against them because they are fighting against your future and progress.

My message to you the people of Libya is, they are helping you to kill me but you will pay the price because you will suffer. And my message to you America and Europe is, you will kill me, but be ready to fight a never ending TERRORISM.
Before you realise your ignorance, terrorists will be hitting you at your doorstep."

GADDAFI once told the Nigerian and British governments to divide Nigeria into two, so that the Hausa/Fulani (Moslems), Yoruba (Christians) and Biafrans/Igbo, can live as neighbouring countries.

It's good we look at these 16 REAL REASONS WHY COL. GADDAFI WAS KILLED:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya, electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens are at a 0% interest by law.

3. Home is considered a human right in Libya. Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinars (US$50,000) from the government to buy their first apartment.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi, only 25% of Libyans were literates. Today, the figure stands at 83%.

6. Libyans taking up farming as a career, they received farm land, a farming house, equipment, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they needed in Libya, the government funded them to go abroad for it.

8. In Gaddafi's Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child under Gaddafi, received US $5,000 as child benefit upfront.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree.

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man- Made River Project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

If this is called "Dictatorship", I wonder what type of Leadership Democrats have!!

magoo10:
Sometimes I am tempted to accept that Obama is the "devil" people call him.

Same way he stationed gun ships in the gulf of guinea prior to the 2015 elections to make sure that regime change in Nigeria was possible and refusal to sell weapons to be used in fighting Boko Haram.

What do we have today? An irresponsible leader who has turned the nations economy upside down with hunger and famine, thereby making smaller nations currency have an edge over the Nigerian naira.

Hmmmmm, God help Nigerians.
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Why the rant on Nairaland?

When the strafing of Libya started by Obama and killary's administration,

WE REJOICED!

They came through NATO and systematically stopped Gaddafi from strafing the militias, while they were using the airspace,

WE REJOICED!

he was caught sprawling, squinting and finally killed...

WE REJOICED!

Even our brothers telegraphed and radioed that Gaddafi is the best thing ever to happen to Libya, we that were not affected said he must go, while forgetting our own wayward leaders...

WE REJOICED!

His widow cried out that first degree murders were carried out against Gaddafi's family members.
Instead to offer ANODYNE words,

WE REJOICED!

They called him the MAD dog of the Middle East, when you loose your dog, you bear the consequences.
The centre can no longer hold in Libya, so, things must fall apart.
Now, we are sniffling, cos, what we sowed, we are reaping.
We now recall we sowed a bad seed!
Eyeeeh... No!

WE NO LONGER REJOICE!

OVER AND OUT !

This guy is stupid.

Is it Obama that told gadaffi to arm tuaregs and bandits left and right because of his lust for power?

And to be truthful, if any leader is to be blamed for the fall of gadaffi, it's Sarkozy, not even Obama

But everybody likes to talk

TWoods:
This is why no one takes Africans seriously. Nobody, regardless of how evil, will dare sell an American to slavery... because they know that Americans do not joke with their citizens and will readily go to war over one child. A Nigerian? Pls... our government is ready to sell us at any price.

Here are Nigerians, sold as slaves, because the alternative (staying in their own country) is no better than slavery. Here is Reno, pretending as if slavery does not exist in the same Nigeria (oh wait, Reno is safe in his UK abode). Here is Reno, pretending as if those Nigerian slaves wouldn't be roaming the streets of Lagos today with no jobs, no hope, no food, no competent government, dilapidated infrastructure. Long before Obama, Nigerians were busy dying in Libya and the mediterranean sea. Rather than hold our government responsible for creating a situation where our young men see running off to libya and being sold as slaves as a better alternative to staying in a country that holds nothing but despair, he is busy chastising Obama. Obama went into Libya primarily to protect American interests... who cares if Nigerians end up as collateral damage?

Perhaps Reno also blames Obama for the 26 Nigerian women who perished off the coast of Libya too? The very same people that no single Nigerian government official deemed fit to be present at their burial as another foreign nation took responsibility. It took an American media company (CNN) to fly thousands of miles to expose a travesty in our own backyard. Where was our own NTA? Yeah Reno, everything is the fault of the Americans. When are we going to blame them for the recession in Nigeria? Nigeria and its people are the world's biggest jokes.

Well said bro. This is the very reason Biafrans wants out. Nnamdi Kanu fuvcked up badly, if not. Nigeria is a joke.