₦airaland Forum

kimbraa:
Too much sense on one post. Total knockout.
I wonder what the elected politicians would be doing if their duties are now performed by pastors. Enemies of the church.

Too much sense. The church is literally facing her greatest "online" attack ever. ONLINE because in reality they gat no guts.

When the pastors were hustling, they were womanizing. Smh

kimbraa:
Too much sense on one post. Total knockout.
I wonder what the elected politicians would be doing if their duties are now performed by pastors. Enemies of the church.

You are so right...I can't understand how pastors suddenly became the problem of Nigeria.

Daddy Freeze is rich, and flaunts costly watches on social media, I wonder how many people he has helped.

After we kill tithing, I wonder what else daddy freeze would proceed to? Tithes can't buy airplane, Blessed people who acknowledge the input of their pastors in their success, do.

hakeem4:
No the title should be not all conmen are pastors

From your moniker; are you a Musleeem?

majekdom2:
If the Americans blamed pastors or religion, they won't be "America".

Power Point!


Don't mind Lazy Nigerians!

SANdos:
Those leading pastors are complicit, if they use the same energy used in talking about the biblical sense of tithe in also talking about the corruption by their friends in politics we would be better off. They only use their forum for their personal aggrandizement.

So you want pastors to start preaching about corruption on the pulpit?
What's EFCC, the Law and constitution for?

Statsocial:
The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an Airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. But no let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you ran your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your useless govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 16,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith a single Church is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters yet it was electricity all through, for one second water did not go off inspite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 meters before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your foul mouth to talk down on pastors! Ode

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Oyedepo who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 100 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation. Mumu

Canaanland host hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Your govt gathered ppl at stadium for recruitment excersise and before it even began many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet your govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

I love this! Can I share it elsewhere?

felixomor:
So also your insinuating yahoo boys on this topic was vague.
It was also directionless

Okay.

mystiquemaestro:
You are so right...I can't understand how pastors suddenly became the problem of Nigeria.

Daddy Freeze is rich, and flaunts costly watches on social media, I wonder how many people he has helped.

After we kill tithing, I wonder what else daddy freeze would proceed to? Tithes can't buy airplane, Blessed people who acknowledge the input of their pastors in their success, do.

Are Christians supposed to pay tithes is the question, anybody has the right to flount his wealth

Problem with most Christians today is that they have their big Bibles with them but know next to nothing about the content, all they know is what Daddy GO or pastor said.



http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheTitheisIllegal.html

emusmithy:
I love this! Can I share it elsewhere?

Share this too to be balanced in your opinion.



http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheTitheisIllegal.html

emusmithy:
Too much sense. The church is literally facing her greatest "online" attack ever. ONLINE because in reality they gat no guts.

When the pastors were hustling, they were womanizing. Smh

Nobody is attacking the church, just that some people are reading the Bible now.



http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheTitheisIllegal.html

pmc01:
The difference here is you're being emotional while I'm trying to be objective.

My dear objectively read your comment and mine and tell me who's being emotional.

HeyCorleone:
In all sincerity, what does a pastor need a private jet for?

I don't think Charlie Boy is making a connection between pastors and our lack of a national airliner, rather he's saying most of these pastors are just as corrupt as these politicians we heavily criticize..

Go to very advanced countries. The men of God there don't enjoy 1/10th of what some of these GOs enjoy here, talkless of Private Jet. So isn't it stupid, that Nigeria, one of the poorest countries from a continent that contributes just merely over 2% of the total global GDP, that such a country has men of God who have private jets while the country doesn't have a national Carrier. Surely something is amiss.

No vex o..hw is dat ur business..is anyone stopping u from opening a church and being a GO..so many pastors suffering nw and won't be remembered..once God change their story then people like u would appear.

Jaguntemmy:
YOU FOOLISH DIE
THE HARDWARE IS ACCOUNTABLE TO A SOFTWARE.
AND TOMORROW ADEBOYE WILL ANNOUNCE JESUS NEED 120 MILLION. AS IF JESUS WON CAMPAIGN FOR PDP CHAIRMAN

My brother open ur own church..GOs deserve more private Jets and u deserve more micro phone to keep criticizing

Shiko77:
No vex o..hw is dat ur business..is anyone stopping u from opening a church and being a GO..so many pastors suffering nw and won't be remembered..once God change their story then people like u would appear.

Where in the Bible was it said that Christians should pay tithes as non Jews, do you know that Jews today who were given the law don't pay tithes because nobody knows who is a Levite today.

Shiko77:
My brother open ur own church..GOs deserve more private Jets and u deserve more micro phone to keep criticizing

Read this and make sure you go through all the Bible passages quoted.

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheTitheisIllegal.html

Threebear:
Charley boy is nothing but a joke.
The same man that can't even help his family is busy forming an activist.
To us he's nothing other than a nudist, that had a relatively mild success in the early 90's .
Get psychological help and fix your life mr oputa, no one takes you seriously.

Follow-come hater, if nobody takes Charly Boy serious, why did you seem it necessary to insult him?
Keep pouring your irrelevant biles on a man that is more relevant than 100 of you put together.

emusmithy:
I love this! Can I share it elsewhere?

Of course you can. Just edit any grammatical or punctuation error that you find. I didn't really have time to go through it.

GoodMuyis:
Request for CopyRight with Modification with reference to you

Go ahead Sir!

Yyeske:
Where in the Bible was it said that Christians should pay tithes as non Jews, do you know that Jews today who were given the law don't pay tithes because nobody knows who is a Levite today.

do u av any other thing to say apart from tithing? Do u care to tell us where d bible said pastors shouldn't own private jet?

HeyCorleone:
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Lol. You must obviously be a kid. Your reasoning is very poor.

And people who go after politicians are bullies who go after hard target?! C'mon man.

Lemme break things down.

Pastors, like politicians are in charge of public money. The politicians receive tax from citizens. The pastor receive tithe and offerings from members. Basically we're told tithes and offerings perform the same function as the tax we pay to the government. How? Tax is used for the smooth running and maintenance of the country in the same way tithes and offerings, as we're told these days, are used for the smooth running and maintenance of the Church.


A Politician with a government office has a salary which we know is not that much but buys himself a private jet. Boom. All hell lets lose. The first thing we think of is corruption. "oh he must have embezzled", we cry.

But when a pastor with no other source of livelihood apart from his church buys a private jet. Sshhh. Everyone is quiet. "God has blessed him", we say. Because he used the money meant for running the church go satisfy his penchant?!

The government as well as pastors are both accountable. It's very unfair to always criticize politicians and place pastors in a shroud of untouchableness.

Point of correction there; The government is accountable to you because you put them in power with your vote to serve you and you pay your taxes to them - that's the legal ground on which government becomes accountable to citizenry. Pastors are not accountable to the citizens of a country. They are only accountable to God and their church members. So Bishop Oyedepo is in no way accountable to you if you are not a member of his church and you pay tithe to winners. Pastor Adeboye is in no way accountable to you if you are not a member of Redeemed and you pay tithes to that church. That is exactly how no Pastor is accountable to Freeze because Freeze has no pastor. You have absolutely no right to demand any form of accountability from where you have not sown. I can walk up to my church and ask for records of church expenditure if I so wish because I pay tithes and give offerings, but honestly I can't be bothered to do that cos as far as I'm concerned it's God's business to punish any pastor steals church money.

Having said that, how is it your business if church members decide to buy a private jet (s) for their pastor just like I recently heard choir members in Christ Embassy contributed money to buy a private jet for Pastor Chris? How is it your business? Did they use your money to buy the jet? did you pay tithe to church and the pastor stole it to use and buy jets? Most of you complaining, it's just poverty mentality and sometimes jealousy that has bound your thinking pattern and made you believe pastors should not look good as if God wrote it in his word that his servants will be wretched if they serve Him genuinely. Even Jesus asked for a brand new donkey that no man has ever rode to carry him to Jerusalem, and that's the equivalent of asking for a brand new car in today's world if Jesus were here in this age. It is people like you that are the religious people who criticised Jesus for everything and ended up crucifying him. You would have been a Pharisee or Saducee if you were living in the time of Jesus based on your critical tendencies.

Statsocial:
The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an Airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. But no let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you ran your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your useless govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 16,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith a single Church is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters yet it was electricity all through, for one second water did not go off inspite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 meters before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your foul mouth to talk down on pastors! Ode

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Oyedepo who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 100 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation. Mumu

Canaanland host hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Your govt gathered ppl at stadium for recruitment excersise and before it even began many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet your govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

whaooo, Bro, did you realised all what you've just highlighted is someone's empire. Believe it or not, the church and other facilities mentioned belongs to the Oyedepo's Trust. Comparing the governance of most churches to that of a country like Nigeria is ridiculous. Most of these churches are private empire, the country belong to every citizens although its run by selected few. Its like comparing the use of a private car to an official car.
The fact is this, Nigerians gets the exact type of government we deserves. Nobody wants to take responsiblity for all that have gone wrong. We blame the government for everything. Who votes this people into power? Well, its a known facts that many social media/online crusaders don't even have a voter's card. But yet, they rant everyday abt what's wrong with the country, abt how politicians mismanage public funds. A common call for street protest, almost everybody go hiding under their roofs.
Nigerians are quick to compare and contrast the country to the western world. Many Nigerians can't volunteer a tenth of the sacrifice most citizens of the western world had to undergo. We all want to wake up and see the road tarred with street lights . Most development of the first world countries are done by the private sector. But in Nigeria of today, one of the booming sector of the economy is the religious centers. Lagos for example, most of the warehouses and factories built in the 1960s and 1970s are been acquired by the religious organisations and convert to worship centers. Bro, how can such an economy be sustainable in the long run? Currently, Nigeria is one of the countries with a larger number of worship centers then production factories. And yet, we blame the government for unemployment?
My point is this, churches, mosques or other religious organisations cannot be immune to criticism in this current times of Nigeria. The church for example is sitting on a trillions of Naira, and the sad truth is, these fund still won't go to a productive part of the economy. I know that some churches do invest some of their funds, bt they are only interested in short term liquid investment. I am waiting for the time when the RCCGs, the Winners' chapels etc. wealthy religious organisation can invest into mega projects such as power plants, Railway lines, ICT research centers, Research Labs for the cure of African/Nigerian prevalent diseases etc.

One love.

drakeli:
Direct the same question to yourself. Are you not a sinner? You attend church right? Then, I wonder what you learn in church.

I'm not a sinner.

Statsocial:
You know[b] Illogicality[/b] is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

It is the same illogicality that is helping the church business, had an
average African been logical they won't slave their life away serving
some god of men for an imaginary reward.

As long as most Africans remain educationally-challenged, the church
will have a field day milking them dry.

majekdom2:
If the Americans blamed pastors or religion, they won't be "America".

Americans have been known to have no tolerance for fraudsters.

chriskosherbal:
This is my point I sincerely have no issues with these men of GOD Buying private jets because people are claiming they are milking thier church members dry to acquire this assets.

They never forced anybody to give or put a gun on thier head to pay thier tithe and offering. You Can Choose not to.

But my issue is with these elected politicians charged with the responsibility of making the country better. As it is, they are supposed to be serving us the masses and doing our bidding, and making our life better. That is thier function by LAW.

How much are they paid as salaries that they can afford private jets??

Mr Charly boy channel your anger to most of these selfish and self centered politicians not men of GOD.

GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

I stand against them
Them dey jazz their followers
Their ways are not pure

emusmithy:
What you are saying has no bearing with the post. They are conmen, have they conned you before? If they had; are you such a dooomy?

bros I dey expect such response before from the likes of you. have you been scam by a Yahoo boy before believing they exist? oya foot soldier run go bring more ammunition

Edelweiss44:
Because you personally conducted the census to determine the exact figure after having attended the over 100,000 churches in existence in Nigeria to arrive at the figure. Later your type will be the first to complain of racism and bad treatment from foreigners to Nigerians outside this country when you travel outside and Americans say "all Nigerians are fraudsters and drug dealers" just because they are assuming based on a number of Nigerians who have been caught in those acts

yeah I have foreigners say rubbish about us and yes it hurt but most of the time its the truth because it is a real story from real people so spare me all that sentimental bs

lonelydora:
Get your statistics right, bro.

if I get my stats right I will say 95% if not how all these men called pastors that started with nothing has automatically become millionaire and billionaires and they will tell you its the Lord's doing

My dear Wendell aka Reno Omokri


I am not sure how to address you, whether to call you Reno Omokri or Wendell Smilin. This in itself is a fundamental problem. Your multiple identities send a profound message about your character and duplicitous personality.

For the benefit of those who may not remember, I crave your indulgence to remind them that Wendell Smilin is one of your multiple names, the fake name(like the fake opinion articles, replete with fake news you write), you used to create a fake document that sought to portray our former Central Bank Governor, now Emir of Kano, Sanusi Lamido Sanusi as a sponsor of terrorism in 2014 when you worked as the lead social media attack dog for former President Goodluck Jonathan.


Your role was simple: disparage and demonize anyone who attempts to disagree with, and criticize, most times constructively, your principal. I have no qualms with how you decide to put food on your table. However, I quiver whenever I recall that you used and faked the name of your brother-In-law’s innocent young son, Wendell Simlin to demonize Emir Sanusi. Who does that? What kind of a human being are you? You’re at liberty to sell your conscience, soul and even your entire being (both physical and spiritual), for a mess of porridge; but must you drag the name of your innocent young relative into your mess?

As a pastor (that is one prefix in front of one of your names I can’t seem to wrap my head around), you ought to know that the Bible tells Christians not to hold a grudge or stay angry. In your case it’s been such a long time-almost two years after your principal lost the Presidential election.



You say Amaechi lied and no money was missing; yet billions in Naira and other currencies are being recovered regularly from top operatives of your principal’s administration.

You even went as low as writing that Amaechi consistently betrays his benefactors without mentioning one benefactor he betrayed; and the accusations from matters that are in court. How low can you go?


https://www.thecable.ng/letter-wendell-simlin-aka-reno-omokri

lol @ con men, fake pastors pastor and sheep in wool clothing think we have amnesia about his own crooked and con games not too long ago.

Shiko77:
No vex o..hw is dat ur business..is anyone stopping u from opening a church and being a GO..so many pastors suffering nw and won't be remembered..once God change their story then people like u would appear.

By God changing their story you mean gaining more members that their offerings and tithe now swells? Lol. Please let's not let to mince words.

The Pastor is. both accountable to God and his members. Unfortunately most of these men are not because most of their members, as simple minded as you, believe it's not their business to know what he does with their money.

That is a very stupid way of reasoning. Desist from it.

Xisnin:
Americans have been known to have no tolerance for fraudsters.

do you know know many American pastors have private jets... una go just dey show ignorance everywhere