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atheist5:
why didn't mourihno win the league last season or at a least make top 4,despite participating in a sub European competition, capable of resting players throughout the competition?,he only took it seriously when he was docked out of top 4?,funny how you want me to lick PEPs ass without perspective while you try to discredit conte,lol

You have been shouting Pep ass since, get your head out of Conte's ass guy.

What's the purpose of making top four?

I'm not discrediting Conte, I'm only using your logic. Me saying Pep is the best or better does not mean others are useless.

RuffRuggedRaw:
My guy spare me abegi. On that una very same Man Utd thread, you guys will use your hands and type stuffs like "Bailly >>> Otamendi", "Rashford >>> Kelechi", "Martial >>> Jesus", "De Gea >>> Courtois", "Pogba >>> Fernandinho". Then come back and start wailing that you do not have the best players. Isn't hindsight a bi.ac=tch!?

The other day, some United fans posted a fictional starting 11 list combo of Manchester United / Tottenham Hotspurs players. Guess how many Spurs players were in the list ------ 2 out of 11; and if I take silence to be consent, over half your fans on that thread agreed to that list!!! Only 2 Spurs were "deemed good enough" to displace Manchester United players if they were all up for selection on the same team.

Granted, there will always be bias as long as the team you support is involved but do not come afterwards and start claiming otherwise. In the name of loyalty to club, una go mes-kafon anyhow, then come back to wan begin dey from sensimilia wen hand don touch una!

Thank God you acknowledge that there is always some bias when rival fans are comparing players, it's down to banter...During such banters, it is not uncommon to see an Arsenal fan claiming Ozil is the best 10 in the world or a United fan claiming Lukaku is better than Kane but here, we're being factual and devoid of emotions.

EvilMetahuman:
like i said, just hope this is one of the dumb reports on the internet.

1 cent bid from manyoo and expect huge amount of meaningless posts on your thread.

I hear u

patrickmuf:
Thank God you acknowledge that there is always some bias when rival fans are comparing players, it's down to banter...During such banters, it is not uncommon to see an Arsenal fan claiming Ozil is the best 10 in the world or a United fan claiming Lukaku is better than Kane but here, we're being factual and devoid of emotions.

This a fact?

Ibime:
You talk too much negro.

Lets compare:

Striker - Eto vs RVN - clear win for Barca

Wingers - Messi and Henry vs Robben and Robinho - clear win for Barca

Central midfield - Xavi, Iniesta and Toure vs Emerson, Diarra and Guti - Unanimous win for Barca

And you used your lying fingers to type Sneijders name when Sneijder was going through depression and was overweight at Madrid, and not even in first team. Stop it.

Central defence - Puyol and Abidal vs Pepe and Cannavaro - marginal

Fullbacks - Marcelo and Ramos vs Beletti and Sylvinho - This is the only win for Madrid.

You think you can come here and lie. Only thunder will fire Rijkaard for losing to Madrid with this Barca team. They were not even close.

Baba, is everything okay?

Etoo scored a total number of 18 goals that season to RVNs 20 (yet Ruud started only 2 more games than Etoo).

Only Messi and Henry together? Why didn't you add Ronaldinho too to prove your point? Is Messi at his best on the wings?

Robben, Robinho were lethal this season especially the latter who had a far far better season than Dinho. So what are you saying?

What Central Midfield had Xavi and Ini? LOL. Nice try.

The midfield had Deco (LM) Toure (DM) Xavi (RM) initially. Deco's head was touching so Rijkaard replaced him with Iniesta.

RMs midfield had Sneijder, Guti, Diarra and Gago (Balboa and Drenthe mostly came off the bench). RMs midfielders scored and assisted more goals than Barcas - so how is it unanimous?

BTW Emerson was not in that Madrid team.

Sneijder that was signed that very season was depressed? Sneijder that scored 9 goals in 30-some appearances (more than Xavi or any other Barca midfielder) was depressed?

I ask again; Is everything okay?

Central defence Puyol and Abidal? Central defence was Puyol and Milito. Marquez featured here and there. Abidal was signed that season and played LB. LOL

Why would Lightening (Thunder is the sound) fire Rijkaard now when it did not fire him when Capello peeped him to the title one year earlier?

Oga, you would not rewrite history here o. I am positioned to decimate any myths you or any Pep-hater want to spread.

EvilMetahuman:
so who was the driving force for chelsea at the rwb last season?

He was good for Chelsea.For a defender the odds are against him compared to the output of the attackers and MFs

you must be talking about balon d'or.
what is the criteria used in choosing the best player in africa? im pretty sure caf dont even know themselves? they just go with the hype

http://www.cafonline.com/en-us/cafawards/abouttheawards.aspx

whose fault is it that egyptians voted more than nigerians

I don't take awards voted for by fans serious because almost everyone is swayed by sentiments.BBC award is a Popularity contest.This same Salah won UCL player of the week of Match day 1 ahead of players like Messi,Kane,Neymar etc

why didnt mane win ahead of salah?
do you really want to turn it to a stat thing? cos i know couple of players with better stats than the players you posted, yet these players are not considered to be the best in the league

Stats and performance wise Moses is still far behind this guys.

i never said moses deserves to win, i said he deserves the final cut.
ahead of salah atleast

While Salah?Naby Keita,Keita Balde,and Aboubakar IMO performed higher and better

salah might deserve to win everything after this season, but based on last season, moses deserves that position more

15 goals 11assists,earned a AR transfer to Liverpool.How many of his matches did you watch that made you think so?

seriously though, how is qualifying someone for a tournament (not that he won the tournament) become a thing you use in judging a player?

You were the one whom brought the fact that Moses qualified 9ja for the WC then I had no option than to remind you of Salah's contribution.

what next, tell me erikson is the best player in europe because he qualified denmark for world cup and scoring most goals.

Eriksen was not the only player with a defining contribution to his NT,we had Lewa,Kane,Ronaldo,Lukaku so this does not apply

A40

E go better for you

When I told folks here that Bonnuci was mediocre and benefited from parapo defending they disagreed

patrickmuf:
Community defending you say? How about Boateng who profits from Bayern's domination of possession?
Bonucci isn't top 5?
Have you watched Toby or you're just hating?
Your opinion on Luiz is your ego at work

Here is what I said about Bonnuci, I didnt even know say his disgrace would be in the same Italy

raumdeuter:
Actually false, according to kicker, Barzagli was the 18th best defender in the Bundesliga that year Wolfsburg won the league

He went from the 18th best defender to the 65th best defender and 54th best defender

When these parapo defenders are isolated they show their weaknesses. I am wishing Citeh will buy Bonnuci next season and Pep will use him in a high line from the half way line where he will have 40yards of space behind him

This is what AC Milan fans and Italian analysts are saying about Bonnuci

Bergomi on Bonnuci - “When he was at Juventus he had some strong teammates playing close to him, he still doesn’t have the same personality of Barzagli and Chiellini

Sabattini - “Bonucci will weaken both Juventus and AC Milan. This transfer will affect both clubs included in the deal”,

AC Milan Fans Create Hilarious Facebook Event to Rinse Flop Signing Leonardo Bonucci

I cannt post the links because spambot will ban me

Just google Bonnuci flop and see the hilarious things on the internet

Thats why I dey always tell diggz say what some of us see today na 2yrs tme before many people see it

Eruditor:
Baba, is everything okay?

Etoo scored a total number of 18 goals that season to RVNs 20 (yet Ruud started only 2 more games than Etoo).

Only Messi and Henry together? Why didn't you add Ronaldinho too to prove your point? Is Messi at his best on the wings?

Robben, Robinho were lethal this season especially the latter who had a far far better season than Dinho. So what are you saying?

What Central Midfield had Xavi and Ini? LOL. Nice try.

The midfield had Deco (LM) Toure (DM) Xavi (RM) initially. Deco's head was touching so Rijkaard replaced him with Iniesta.

RMs midfield had Sneijder, Guti, Diarra and Gago (Balboa and Drenthe mostly came off the bench). RMs midfielders scored and assisted more goals than Barcas - so how is it unanimous?

BTW Emerson was not in that Madrid team.

Sneijder that was signed that very season was depressed? Sneijder that scored 9 goals in 30-some appearances (more than Xavi or any other Barca midfielder) was depressed?

I ask again; Is everything okay?

Central defence Puyol and Abidal? Central defence was Puyol and Milito. Marquez featured here and there. Abidal was signed that season and played LB. LOL

Why would Lightening (Thunder is the sound) fire Rijkaard now when it did not fire him when Capello peeped him to the title one year earlier?

Oga, you would not rewrite history here o. I am positioned to decimate any myths you or any Pep-hater want to spread.

Your stewpid arguments can give someone migraine.

We are telling you those Barca players were PROVEN better players than the Real players, you are busy telling us how they underperformed under Rijkaard.

Is that not the central tenet of our argument? - ie that Barca players were better than Real players, but Rijkaard totally mismanaged them.

Of what use is telling us that RVN outscored Eto that season - will that change the fact that Eto was a better player, or would we say Diarra was a better player than Iniesta because he started the season and Iniesta did not?

By your stewpid logic, Leicester players were better than Chelsea players in July 2016 because they each outperformed their Chelsea counterpart that season just gone. Will that make Wes Morgan a better defender than John Terry or make Albrighton better than Hazard?

We are saying that Barca players were much better than Madrid players as of 2008, however Barca players were being mismanaged by Rijkaard.

Barca had WPOTY candidates and Balon D'or podium finishers throughout their team. Real Madrid did not have a single one. Pep did not come in and do anything fantastic, he just took over from a joke of a manager.

Emaprince:
If it was Mou that finished trophyless last season, Dayo and his up barka minions won't let hear word.

Funny thing is that this coach said Chelsea needed 10new players to compete last season...becausr he was scared of a woeful outing, which he still had at city despite spending huge in the transfer market. He failed and failed miserably... Experience he never had before. Fast forward to this season, he continued breaking
Banks again.

This man does not trust his ability, he trust money.

This I believe is true!!!

snowstormm:
you dey try on this thread o...I hail una

It's our work o

raumdeuter:
Thats why I dey always tell diggz say what some of us see today na 2yrs tme before many people see it

Paul Mersin 2.0

You have also had some calls go wrong but you are also consistent

Airmark is the only one capable of compiling your Ls.

hardeycute:
He was good for Chelsea what about other RBs/RWBs?

apart from kyle walker
(arguably) name other rwb better than moses last season?.

http://www.cafonline.com/en-us/cafawards/abouttheawards.aspx

will go through this later.

I don't take awards voted for by fans serious because almo everyone is swayed by sentiments.BBC award is a Popularity contest.This same Salah won UCL player of the week of Match day 1 ahead of players like Messi,Kane,Neymar etc
Stats and performance wise Moses is still far behind this guys.


While Salah?Naby Keita,Keita Balde,and Aboubakar IMO performed higher and better 15 goals 11assists,earned a AR transfer to Liverpool.How many of his matches did you watch that made you think so?

Then why did you bring this into the conversation?

You were the one whom brought the fact that Moses qualified 9ja for the WC then I had no option than to remind you of Salah's contribution.

I don't remember adding that to moses achievement until you said salah was great for egypt like moses wasn't great for nigeria.

Eriksen was not the only player with a defining contribution to his NT,we had Lewa,Kane,Ronaldo,Lukaku so this does not apply

yeah doesn't count cos they don't use that to actually judge players like we are doing for salah.

raumdeuter:
A40

E go better for you

When I told folks here that Bonnuci was mediocre and benefited from parapo defending they disagreed



Here is what I said about Bonnuci, I didnt even know say his disgrace would be in the same Italy

Mate Milan's problem is not Bonucci. The Team as a whole has been useless. Put Baresi or Maldini in this team and the difference would be marginal.

Great Defenders play either on Great Defensive teams or Dominating Teams.

Ramos for all His greatness is a Red CardMagnet. Put Him in this Milan team, I doubt He'll play more than 25 games in the League.

Boateng had to leave a Mediocre City side to get recognition. If He was still playing in Mediocre sides, He'll be nowhere near the Top Defenders in world footy.

chic2pimp:
Mate Milan's problem is not Bonucci. The Team as a whole has been useless. Put Baresi or Maldini in this team and the difference would be marginal.

Great Defenders play either on Great Defensive teams or Dominating Teams.

Ramos for all His greatness is a Red CardMagnet. Put Him in this Milan team, I doubt He'll play more than 25 games in the League.

Boateng had to leave a Mediocre City side to get recognition. If He was still playing in Mediocre sides, He'll be nowhere near the Top Defenders in world footy.

See why you're my uncle? ...so much wisdom.

Raumdeuter wants to make it seem Milan is Woeful because they signed Bonucci! I have seen things! !

EvilMetahuman:
apart from kyle walker
(arguably) name other rwb better than moses last season?

Clyne,Bellerin,Cedric Soares,Trippier(with limited apps)

I don't remember adding that to moses achievement until you said salah was great for egypt like moses wasn't great for nigeria

You asked for my reasons why his exclusion is justified

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-champions/4337#63448555

but somehow moses wasnt fantastic for chelsea right?
moses didnt win epl, keep many cleansheets, or qualify nigeria for world cup right?

patrickmuf:
The same Sane that terrorized Madrid in the UCL as a teenager is the one some folks want us to believe is only playing well because of Pep...
Sterling on the other hand was one of the best players in Liverpool and after Suarez left, he was their go to man but some folks want us to believe he is only playing well cos of Pep...
Same Otamendi Man United tried to sign but was beaten to his signature is now an average defender cos people want to praise Pep.
Walker isn't as good as Valencia because it's an argument, I must not lose. When to be honest they are both brainless, often depending on pace and power rather than footballing IQ, even at that, Walker, scores more and assist more.
How on earth is current Ibra better than Aguero if not that it's an argument and as far as nairaland is concerned, it's an abomination to admit superior opinion in an argument. At this point in time, I'd love to see a coach who will even take Ibra over Jesus, very unlikely but folks look at United's bench and want to convince us that Ibra there is akin to the one that ruled series A when in all honesty he is past it.


To see how ridiculous this whole thing is, they want us to believe Mendy and Kompany are out injured and shouldn't be considered when comparing both teams or doing a combined 11 but they are talking about Bailly who is injured, Shaw and Ibra who have barely played this season...Kompany that walks straight to the starting 11 anytime he feels slightly comfortable to play is the one they want us to believe isn't good enough when in all honesty he is better than anything Manchester United have to offer. Or is Stones who is not better than Smalling? Last season, people castigated Stones because of his price tag (Same excuse most Man Utd fans make for Pogba) and a bid to get to Pep for his preference for ball playing CBs.

No matter how we spin it Sterling and Sane were less in pedigree and talent when compared to Martial and Rashford.

Sterling is having his best season till date this year and who should we give the credit to? Mourinho or Brendan Rodgers? And its false that Kompany will walk into any team when fit, If Kompany comes back today and a full fit City he wont make first team, He is the 3rd choice CB in City never mind at other clubs.

I have dug out and can dig out many quotes from people who called Stones an outright poor player. But now Sane Sterling Otamendi, Mangala Stones are world beaters who were expected to perform, even Ederson was on the level of Neuer before he was bought

eph12:
You have been shouting Pep ass since, get your head out of Conte's ass guy.

What's the purpose of making top four?

I'm not discrediting Conte, I'm only using your logic. Me saying Pep is the best or better does not mean others are useless.

pep is not the best,what has he won in england?

hardeycute:
Clyne,Bellerin,Cedric Soares,Trippier(with limited apps)

based on what? Who kept most clean sheets among these players?

You asked for my reasons why his exclusion is justified

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-champions/4337#63448555

and you said "salah was great for egypt" as part of the reasons why is he better than moses.
What does that statement mean if you were not talking about wc qualifiers?

elrony:
See why you're my uncle? ...so much wisdom.

Raumdeuter wants to make it seem Milan is Woeful because they signed Bonucci! I have seen things! !

My Man I throaway salute o

Go to the Milan thread and take a good look at Roland's post(another Milan Fan). He explains Milan's problems in great details. He pretty much says what I have been saying on these pages for a while now.

patrickmuf:
Again you see them saying we were making jest of City players last season and praising them now when in truth, it's Pep that was mostly on the receiving end, I make bold to say that the difference between last season and the present one is that Pep has stopped trying to be too smart, he has kept things simple and this has made the team stronger.
If you watched City last season, you'd have seen that the same players were tearing apart every team they came up against until it got to Pep's head and he started doing things unheard of, Zabaleta and Clichy, supposed fullbacks were tucking into the midfield (Crazy) leaving only Stones and Otamendi, now tell me which defender won't get exposed in this set up?
The year, Walker is always at right back, Delph/Mendy at left back, he just ditched those crazy ideas of his that left them exposed not like he did anything out of the world or unseen...

There is nothing different from what City was doing last season compare to this season, He only has better and younger players to do it

There is nothing unheard of in getting Full backs to move to midfield, this season Mendy and walker still drift to midifield like he wanted Zab and Clichy to but they dont have the stamina to.

airmark:
Tell him in capital letters bro. I remember ramdeuter saying pep wouldn't turn donkeys like sterling to anything good.

Now pep should be hailed for a sterling who was very good at Liverpool.

Dayo is a cancer here.

You are the morron of the thread which is why almost every opinion of yours is retardded

Gabriel Jesus hasn’t lost any of the 26 Premier League games that he’s played in since joining Manchester City – only four players have ever had a longer unbeaten start to a Premier League career (Jens Lehmann 47, Arjen Robben 37, Didier Drogba 37 and Gael Clichy 29).

diggz:
Unfortunately Raumdeuters goons have firmly bought into the Pep inherited a team filled with washed up players propaganda.....

Pep inherited Joke Hart, calamity Mangala, 4 Full backs over 30 some of them cant get a decent club to sign them anymore. Jesus Navas, Bony geriatric Yaya

eph12:
That's not the point. The point is that every top team in the league have good players, with similar quality. If there is any difference, it's very marginal and inconsequential

Isnt it a surprise that Man Utd fans who should be anti Guardiola are the ones seeing the light but the up shessee will continue arguing against logic

EvilMetahuman:
based on what? Who kept most clean sheets among these players?

Number of clean sheets kept by Chelsea was not instigated alone by Moses.Chelsea plays with 6/7 defensive outfield players + Thibaut in goal.
Give me the number of interceptions, tackles won,aerial duels won,fouls suffered,successful crosses, and chances created from his overlapping runs

and you said "salah was great for egypt" as part of the reasons why is he better than moses
What does that statement mean if you were not talking about wc qualifiers?

AFCON that Nigeria did failed to qualify for.

Ibime:
Your stewpid arguments can give someone migraine.

We are telling you those Barca players were PROVEN better players than the Real players, you are busy telling us how they underperformed under Rijkaard.

Is that not the central tenet of our argument? - ie that Barca players were better than Real players, but Rijkaard totally mismanaged them.

Of what use is telling us that RVN outscored Eto that season - will that change the fact that Eto was a better player, or would we say Diarra was a better player than Iniesta because he started the season and Iniesta did not?

By your stewpid logic, Leicester players were better than Chelsea players in July 2016 because they each outperformed their Chelsea counterpart that season just gone. Will that make Wes Morgan a better defender than John Terry or make Albrighton better than Hazard?

We are saying that Barca players were much better than Madrid players as of 2008, however Barca players were being mismanaged by Rijkaard.

Barca had WPOTY candidates and Balon D'or podium finishers throughout their team. Real Madrid did not have a single one. Pep did not come in and do anything fantastic, he just took over from a joke of a manager.

Each time I expose a lie, you develop a migraine - that is what is transpiring here.

Proven players that were in decline (more like even atrophy) coupled with bad attitude is what you are trying to put aside like it is some negligible part of Rijkaard's failure.

When Pep sent all those proven players away to other clubs what did they achieve under other managers?

"Barca players were better than Real players" and the question I would ask you is when? If you are referring to 2004-2006 I would agree but your warped implementation of time is what I am disproving. After all, Is John Terry better than Vigil Van Dirk today?

The need to tell you about Etoo and RVNs outputs is to show that apart from superior tactical management, there were other things Pep brought to the table to make Barca the numinous team they would go on to be. One of such things is, camaraderie which he instilled in the team by chasing out the bad eggs. To say that was not fantastic is actually all shades of stoopid.

And I hate to do this again but you have told another lie. Raul was a podium finisher. Cannavaro was too. RVN was no slouch himself, having finished in a couple of UEFA teams of the year as well as being the UEFA forward of the year.

And just incase you want to downplay that award, let me name a few of the past winners; Raul, El Fenomeno, Kaka, Sheva, Messi, CR7, Dinho and Etoo.

Forget the carnards, tall tales and lies. Pep did a fantastic job with that Barca team - a feat no other manager has equalled world over even with other supposedly great teams.

chic2pimp:
Mate Milan's problem is not Bonucci. The Team as a whole has been useless. Put Baresi or Maldini in this team and the difference would be marginal.

Great Defenders play either on Great Defensive teams or Dominating Teams.

Ramos for all His greatness is a Red CardMagnet. Put Him in this Milan team, I doubt He'll play more than 25 games in the League.

Boateng had to leave a Mediocre City side to get recognition. If He was still playing in Mediocre sides, He'll be nowhere near the Top Defenders in world footy.

Fact is that Bonnuci is overrated and I called it early most of the Juventus defenders are overrated and just benefit from a parapo defensive unit

Now Bonnuci has left, whoever his replacement is in Juve soon we would be hearing he is the defence stalwart.

Barzagli that was a monumental flop in Wolfsburg is now cutting it, The truth is when you have many people helping out in defence, as a defender you are covered, thats why many mediocre defenders like Terry have been able to escape scrutiny, shebi last season Luiz was heralded as a voltron because he played in parapo community defence, This season they dropped him got a young Christensen and Rudiger and the defence continued

Boateng went to City as a 21yr old defender, played as a RB and LB when Bayern a bigger club called, he did the rational thing left for a bigger team

chic2pimp:
My Man I throaway salute o

Go to the Milan thread and take a good look at Roland's post(another Milan Fan). He explains Milan's problems in great details. He pretty much says what I have been saying on these pages for a while now.

Baba na me greet you pass!!!

Abeg where Nihilist dey, I wan ask am about Callum Chambers !!!

raumdeuter:
Pep inherited Joke Hart, calamity Mangala, 4 Full backs over 30 some of them cant get a decent club to sign them anymore. Jesus Navas, Bony geriatric Yaya

Abeg how many times dem play under Pep last season?

You shoulda said something like "Pep inherited a squad of UCL semi-finalists" who lost to superior eventual winners Real Madrid

Abi that one no follow?

Eruditor:
Proven players that were in decline (more like even atrophy) coupled with bad attitude is what you are trying to put aside like it is some negligible part of Rijkaard's failure.

"Barca players were better than Real players" and the question I would ask you is when? If you are referring to 2004-2006 I would agree but your warped implementation of time is what I am disproving. After all, Is John Terry better than Vigil Van Dirk today?

So because Rijkaard mismanaged those players from 2006 to 2008, they were no longer the World Class players that they were in 2004-2006 and were on decline?

You compare this group of World beaters to the bunch of crap at Real that used to get knocked out of UCL every 2nd round by Lyon?

While Rijkaard was mismanaging this bunch, Aragones was using them as the central core of his Euro 2008 winning team.

Let's cut the crap, because I don't have time to go back and forth with a talkative nigga. Even your moniker lets me know you are a diarrhea- mouth nigga who likes the sound of his own voice.

Name your Barca 11 and Madrid 11 as at 2008, lets compare player for player and cut through your erudite nonsense.

raumdeuter:
Fact is that Bonnuci is overrated and I called it early most of the Juventus defenders are overrated and just benefit from a parapo defensive unit

Now Bonnuci has left, whoever his replacement is in Juve soon we would be hearing he is the defence stalwart.

Barzagli that was a monumental flop in Wolfsburg is now cutting it, The truth is when you have many people helping out in defence, as a defender you are covered, thats why many mediocre defenders like Terry have been able to escape scrutiny, shebi last season Luiz was heralded as a voltron because he played in parapo community defence, This season they dropped him got a young Christensen and Rudiger and the defence continued

Boateng went to City as a 21yr old defender, played as a RB and LB when Bayern a bigger club called, he did the rational thing left for a bigger team

The term "overrated" has a different meaning to you and me then. No one has called Bonucci one of the greatest defenders of all time. Heck you'll name shyte loads of italian defenders before getting to Bonucci however in this current market, He is rated just fine.

Buffon and Neuer have played for Great Teams may be we should also discard their achievements too. Let's See How highly rated they'd have been had Buffon stayed at Parma or Neuer at Schalke. Right now we know both of them as two of the greatest keepers of all time BECAUSE THEY PLAYED UNDER GREAT SYSTEMS FOR SUCCESFUL TEAMS.

Twist it whatever way you want but most footballing pundits,Organisations and Fans recognise Terry as a great Defender. As for Luiz He had a great season last year but He has so far has been unable to replicate it this year. A few more years of Luiz playing anywhere close to How He played last year, He'll start getting rated Highly.