I find it funny that the biggest fans of Daddy Freeze are actually christians, christians who are fed up of the excesses of their church leaders.

What many of daddy freeze's supporters fail to realize is, it goes well beyond critisizing pastors for collecting tithes.

Daddy Freeze is basically questioning everything, a little here and a little there .

Why criticize fasting?
Why should daddy freeze support the practice of the bible patriaches sleeping with their maids (slaves)

This is how many of us ex-christians started.

We started asking questions
We started being realisic with ourselves


Daddy freeze mocked RCCG's 50 days fasting. Now this is a mile too far for someone who claims to be a Christian.
Fasting and prayer is foundamental in christianity and, there is absolutely NO REASON WHY A SO CALLED CHRISTIAN SHOULD MOCK THOSE FASTING AND COMPARE THEM TO AN UNBELIEVER (JEFF BEZOS).

So is daddy freeze really a christian? Or an athiest in making/disguise.

Before you clap for daddy freeze especially if you are a christian or muslim, ask yourself, "what other doctrines or beliefs of yours are false and counter-productive?"

So fasting cant make you rich
Definately prayers cant
Paying tithes cant

Then how is God useful?
What does daddy freeze practice as a christian?
Has he investigated the origin of the bible he claims to believe in?

A little here a little there. We are withnessing, the unveiling of a free-thinker.

The time to question all your beliefs has come, it is beyond tithing, this is just the beginning.

This was how i became an atheist.

I've actually thought of the possibility of him being an atheist in disguise, but I doubt that.

But I'll be surprised if he ends up still practicing Christianity

Fvcknames:
I've actually thought of the possibility of him being an atheist in disguise, but I doubt that.

But I'll be surprised if he ends up still practicing Christianity

He is on the right track anyway, i just hope he does not limit his scrutiny to pastors but all what he believes as a christian.

Truth is one can only remain a christian by being dishonest and non-inquisitive

Fvcknames:
I've actually thought of the possibility of him being an atheist in disguise, but I doubt that.

But I'll be surprised if he ends up still practicing Christianity

Have you actually considered that oledepo and adebole may be atheists?

1Sharon:


Have you actually considered that oledepo and adebole may be atheists?

very possible.
Smart athiests.

He is already... only taking his time to deceive subtly.

donnie:
He is already... only taking his time to deceive subtly.

What do u mean.

I think he is being honest with his questions, just hope he goes all out with it

Engaging in some rituals and moral codes does not make one a christian.

Christianity is solely believe in Yeshua the Messiah as the way, the truth and the life

bloodofthelamb:
Engaging in some rituals and moral codes does not make one a christian.

Christianity is solely believe in Yeshua the Messiah as the way, the truth and the life

Your point?

Questioning the authenticity of the supposed claims of yeshua should be paramount for any christian.

HardMirror:
I find it funny that the biggest fans of Daddy Freeze are actually christians, christians who are fed up of the excesses of their church leaders.

What many of daddy freeze's supporters fail to realize is, it goes well beyond critisizing pastors for collecting tithes.

Daddy Freeze is basically questioning everything, a little here and a little there .

Why criticize fasting?
Why should daddy freeze support the practice of the bible patriaches sleeping with their maids (slaves)

This is how many of us ex-christians started.

We started asking questions
We started being realisic with ourselves


Daddy freeze mocked RCCG's 50 days fasting. Now this is a mile too far for someone who claims to be a Christian.
Fasting and prayer is foundamental in christianity and, there is absolutely NO REASON WHY A SO CALLED CHRISTIAN SHOULD MOCK THOSE FASTING AND COMPARE THEM TO AN UNBELIEVER (JEFF BEZOS).

So is daddy freeze really a christian? Or an athiest in making/disguise.

Before you clap for daddy freeze especially if you are a christian or muslim, ask yourself, "what other doctrines or beliefs of yours are false and counter-productive?"

So fasting cant make you rich
Definately prayers cant
Paying tithes cant

Then how is God useful?
What does daddy freeze practice as a christian?
Has he investigated the origin of the bible he claims to believe in?

A little here a little there. We are withnessing, the unveiling of a free-thinker.

The time to question all your beliefs has come, it is beyond tithing, this is just the beginning.

This was how i became an atheist.

What you have to understand is that not everyone you see in church is really a Christian. Christianity is not really about attending church ( though its part of it) but its mainly about your belief in Christ Jesus as your saviour. From what Freeze has been saying so far, its obvious he doesn't have Christ in his life. He preaches on Cool Fm on Sundays but he's more of a motivational speaker than a teacher of the word.

Christianity without Christ is not Christianity at all. So Freeze might have had a mental assent to Christ but from what he is writing lately, he's not a possessor of eternal life ( what i meant by this is that he doesn't have Christ in his life). He can be an atheist or a Gnostic if he wants, I don't have a problem with that. I mean, it's a free world but the end will justify the means...

Just like you Hardmirror, you were never a possessor of eternal life but only a professor if that your story was true anyways. You know Christ but doesn't believe in him just like Freeze is doing right now. And if Freeze still stay in church at the end of the age, his types will be weeded out of the kingdom. But for now, he is free to run his mouth.

It’s a pity that he would lose his credibility with Christians completely if he became an atheist. Pastors would be like “see? we told you that he was an agent of Satan!” I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose his faith for this reason. I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.

I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.

Seun:
It’s a pity that he will lose his credibility with Christians completely if he becomes an atheist. Pastors will be like “see? we told you that he was the devil”. I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose faith for this reason. I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.

I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.

So, in your opinion, he's no different from the rest of the brainwash flock who self style themselves christians?

I thought he was an atheist

AHCB:
So, in your opinion, he's no different from the rest of the brainwash flock who self style themselves christians?

He is different. He is a sheep of the Bible and Jesus but not a sheep of pastors and organized religion.

HardMirror is right that people like this often continue to progress towards atheism, but I think the fame that Daddy Freeze has achieved as a Christian reformer will halt this progress.

l personally think he is already a closet atheist /agnostic

just like that his Muslim counterpart Imam tawhidi or whatever

Seun:
It’s a pity that he would lose his credibility with Christians completely if he became an atheist. Pastors would be like “see? we told you that he was an agent of Satan!” I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose his faith for this reason. I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.

I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.

Loooool


Losing faith is not a matter of choice for anyone.


Even if he loses faith, he may just decide to pretend and flow along

If being a christian entails being christlike then 90% of nigerian churches are fraud.

bloodofthelamb:
Engaging in some rituals and moral codes does not make one a christian.

Christianity is solely believe in Yeshua the Messiah as the way, the truth and the life

A Christian doesn't just "believe in Yeshua". He believes He isn't just like any ordinary man but God in human flesh who died and rose. The Christian also believes that there is no other way apart from Christ.


Freeze isn't a Christian. How do I know?

He occasionally insinuates that Christianity isn't the only way to God, while he commends what He calls "other religions" like Islam, Buddhism and the likes. The same guy suggests for the abandonment of evangelism. Not forgetting that all his 'sermons' are channelled at criticizing one Christian doctrine or another, without ever reflecting his supposed commitment to Christ in words or deed.


These traits are clearly antichristian. He is only creating the illusion of being a religious person so as to get sympathy from the members of the churches whose leaders he attacks.

Seun:
It’s a pity that he would lose his credibility with Christians completely if he became an atheist. Pastors would be like “see? we told you that he was an agent of Satan!” I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose his faith for this reason. I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.

I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.

I am very interested in daddy freeze' belief.
It just does not add up.
I think the man is being cunny and his tongue in cheek approach to the overall belief christianity is based on should be called out.

He is being logical and rational, but why is he being selective about questions he is asking?

Does he even believe jesus can heal? After all he has admitted that prayers and fasting cant prosper a man, so what does he believe God is useful for?

Can this make front page so we get diffent views of christians and freethinkers?

For me, it would be all a waste if daddy freeze only stops at challenging men of god and not challenging the very foundations of his religion.

Cc. Hopefullandlord

damosky12:


A Christian doesn't just "believe in Yeshua". He believes He isn't just like any ordinary man but God in human flesh who died and rose. The Christian also believes that there is no other way apart from Christ.


Freeze isn't a Christian. How do I know?

He occasionally insinuates that Christianity isn't the only way to God, while he commends what He calls "other religions" like Islam, Buddhism and the likes. The same guy suggests for the abandonment of evangelism. Not forgetting that all his 'sermons' are channelled at criticizing one Christian doctrine or another, without ever reflecting his supposed commitment to Christ in words or deed.


These traits are clearly antichristian. He is only creating the illusion of being a religious person so as to get sympathy from the members of the churches whose leaders he attacks.

Be sincere with yourself for once.
Stop hiding under the excuse and self delusion that all ex christians were never true christians.
We are only being honest, faith most times means lying to yourself, i was a christian but can never be again, it is all based on faith, no rationality, no questions, all faith and a sheep like following.

What do you know for sure about your religion. Lets start from there.

HardMirror:

Be sincere with yourself for once.
Stop hiding under the excuse and self delusion that all ex christians were never true christians.
We are only being honest, faith most times means lying to yourself, i was a christian but can never be again, it is all based on faith, no rationality, no questions, all faith and a sheep like following.

What do you know for sure about your religion. Lets start from there.

I know I don't have a religion. I know I have seen and walked in the supernatural as expressed in scriptures.

I guess we can't start from anywhere. We can't find a meeting point.

damosky12:



I know I don't have a religion. I know I have seen and walked in the supernatural as expressed in scriptures.

I guess we can't start from anywhere. We can't find a meeting point.

Details or a few examples of your walk in the supernatural.

Dont try and run now.

HardMirror:
I find it funny that the biggest fans of Daddy Freeze are actually christians, christians who are fed up of the excesses of their church leaders.

What many of daddy freeze's supporters fail to realize is, it goes well beyond critisizing pastors for collecting tithes.

Daddy Freeze is basically questioning everything, a little here and a little there .

Why criticize fasting?
Why should daddy freeze support the practice of the bible patriaches sleeping with their maids (slaves)

This is how many of us ex-christians started.

We started asking questions
We started being realisic with ourselves


Daddy freeze mocked RCCG's 50 days fasting. Now this is a mile too far for someone who claims to be a Christian.
Fasting and prayer is foundamental in christianity and, there is absolutely NO REASON WHY A SO CALLED CHRISTIAN SHOULD MOCK THOSE FASTING AND COMPARE THEM TO AN UNBELIEVER (JEFF BEZOS).

So is daddy freeze really a christian? Or an athiest in making/disguise.

Before you clap for daddy freeze especially if you are a christian or muslim, ask yourself, "what other doctrines or beliefs of yours are false and counter-productive?"

So fasting cant make you rich
Definately prayers cant
Paying tithes cant

Then how is God useful?
What does daddy freeze practice as a christian?
Has he investigated the origin of the bible he claims to believe in?

A little here a little there. We are withnessing, the unveiling of a free-thinker.

The time to question all your beliefs has come, it is beyond tithing, this is just the beginning.

This was how i became an atheist.

Freeze, has just woken up to a few "elephant in the room" topics,
that so many posters in the dawn of the day and over the years,
in past on Religion section of Nairaland, have extensively written about and discussed

Seun:
It’s a pity that he would lose his credibility with Christians completely if he became an atheist.
Pastors would be like “see? we told you that he was an agent of Satan!”
I suspect that he won’t allow himself to lose his faith for this reason.
I suspect that he enjoys his platform as the “leader of the free nation in Christ” too much to mess with it.

I think atheists need to challenge Daddy Freeze publicly and get him to respond to some hard questions about his religion.

Seun:
He is different.
He is a sheep of the Bible and Jesus but not a sheep of pastors and organized religion.

HardMirror is right that people like this often continue to progress towards atheism,
but I think the fame that Daddy Freeze has achieved as a Christian reformer will halt this progress

I concur with this statement and the one preceding it
Where is that Putin "Give this man a cookie" and the other "bottle of orijin" memes when you need them

damosky12:
A Christian doesn't just "believe in Yeshua".
He believes He isn't just like any ordinary man but God in human flesh who died and rose.
The Christian also believes that there is no other way apart from Christ.

A believer believes in Jesus Christ being his Lord and Savior

damosky12:
Freeze isn't a Christian. How do I know?

He occasionally insinuates that Christianity isn't the only way to God,
while he commends what He calls "other religions" like Islam, Buddhism and the likes.
The same guy suggests for the abandonment of evangelism.
Not forgetting that all his 'sermons' are channelled at criticizing one Christian doctrine or another, without ever reflecting his supposed commitment to Christ in words or deed.

Freeze is a christian alright
and additionally Freeze is ridiculing the hypocrisy of evangelism that has become a shameless charade

damosky12:
These traits are clearly antichristian.

I am yet to hear Freeze utter an antiChrist remark
Yet to see him suggest an antiChrist move

damosky12:
He is only creating the illusion of being a religious person so as to get sympathy from the members of the churches whose leaders he attacks

Freeze is a patriot, who loves his country enough to speak up when he sees things that needs to be changed
and I think he knows about James 1:27

The churches whose leaders he attacks are modern day equivalents of biblical Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees

HardMirror:
Be sincere with yourself for once.
Stop hiding under the excuse and self delusion that all ex christians were never true christians.
We are only being honest, faith most times means lying to yourself, i was a christian but can never be again, it is all based on faith, no rationality, no questions, all faith and a sheep like following

You were a christian.
Thank God, you can never be a Christian again, being that none of the disciples, apostles and believers ever addressed or called each other christian

HardMirror:
What do you know for sure about your religion.
Lets start from there

damosky12:
I know I don't have a religion.
I know I have seen and walked in the supernatural as expressed in scriptures.

I guess we can't start from anywhere. We can't find a meeting point.

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
James 1:27

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Seun:

He is different. He is a sheep of the Bible and Jesus but not a sheep of pastors and organized religion.

Hardis often continue to progress towards atheism, but I think the fame that Daddy Freeze has achieved as a Christian reformer will halt this progress.

True worship of God does not mean one should detach his or her brain to do so with an empty skull.

God cannot give someone a functioning brain and require that he doesn't use it all in the name of worship.

Only religion and fanaticism preaches that crap of "blind faith".

TRUTH (Known and Unknown) has the answer to every question w has the answer to every question we ask.

Think of this.

The Jews claim to have one God, one Moses, one Torah yet there were different sects often quarreling amongst themselves. e.g. Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes e.t.c.

The Christians claim to have one God, one Jesus, one Bible, yet there are different denominations with conflicting doctrines. e.g. there are just too many to name

The Muslims claim to have one Allah, Mohammed , one Koran...yet there are different sects e.g.Sunni, Shi'ites (these two hate themselves bitterly) e.t.c.

The founders of these movements didn't have a religion they used to communicate with the Eternal Creator at the peak of their powers and they had a message/instructions to pass across...HOWEVER, confused and or greedy followers made a religion out of these messages and with the passage of time inserted a few lies into these messages to birth their doctrines

Religion paints the Eternal Creator as a FRAUD...but enlightenment helps you to better understand the ways of the Eternal Creator.

Atheism and Agnosticism was a critical path in my journey towards enlightenment and TRUTH. I'm happy atheists and agnostics have seen the scam in religion.

Now I am praying and hoping it does not stop there, but these atheists and agnostics would be fully enlightened. These ones stand a better chance to be "born-again" than the confused people practicing religion all their lives...

Seun:

He is different. He is a sheep of the Bible and Jesus but not a sheep of pastors and organized religion.

HardMirror is right that people like this often continue to progress towards atheism, but I think the fame that Daddy Freeze has achieved as a Christian reformer will halt this progress.

his progress into what exactly? To me, Freeze is no different from the pastors he criticise. It is only a matter of time before his hypocrisy and double standard is called out. There's a saying: God is a spirit and those who worship him, must worship him in spirit and truth.

OkCornel:


True worship of God does not mean one should detach his or her brain to do so with an empty skull.

God cannot give someone a functioning brain and require that he doesn't use it all in the name of worship.

Only religion and fanaticism preaches that crap of "blind faith".

TRUTH (Known and Unknown) has the answer to every question w has the answer to every question we ask.

Think of this.

The Jews claim to have one God, one Moses, one Torah yet there were different sects often quarreling amongst themselves. e.g. Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes e.t.c.

The Christians claim to have one God, one Jesus, one Bible, yet there are different denominations with conflicting doctrines. e.g. there are just too many to name

The Muslims claim to have one Allah, Mohammed , one Koran...yet there are different sects e.g.Sunni, Shi'ites (these two hate themselves bitterly) e.t.c.

The founders of these movements didn't have a religion they used to communicate with the Eternal Creator at the peak of their powers and they had a message/instructions to pass across...HOWEVER, confused and or greedy followers made a religion out of these messages and with the passage of time inserted a few lies into these messages to birth their doctrines

Religion paints the Eternal Creator as a FRAUD...but enlightenment helps you to better understand the ways of the Eternal Creator.

Atheism and Agnosticism was a critical path in my journey towards enlightenment and TRUTH. I'm happy atheists and agnostics have seen the scam in religion.

Now I am praying and hoping it does not stop there, but these atheists and agnostics would be fully enlightened. These ones stand a better chance to be "born-again" than the confused people practicing religion all their lives...

Interesting.
Possible daddy freeze is not what we conventionally call a christian. I am an athiest but i love and uphold the teachings of Jesus as i see befitting same with that of other great teachers, leaders and reformers. I believe that man enlightens man. As for your ethernal creator, who or what is it and how does it impact our lives?

AHCB:
his progress into what exactly? To me, Freeze is no different from the pastors he criticise. It is only a matter of time before his hypocrisy and double standard is called out. There's a saying: God is a spirit and those who worship him, must worship him in spirit and truth.

Bro what is truth?
Are you being truthful to yourself?
Avoiding controversial questions about your belief if not a trait of honesty.
So truth do u know? You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. So far daddy freeze has not told a single lie. He has been forthright.

Tithes are is as past as animal sacrifies or grain offering or slave owning that was practiced in the old testament.

Fasting solves nothing.

All these are true and can only be denied by a dishonest person. You would most likely skidaddle from my question if you want to remain in your dark cave of self exhaultation, thinking you hold something special and a connection to an almighty being thus disregarding all evidences by which truth is proven. For you cannot disprove any of what daddy freeze has exposed so far.

Ok o

HardMirror:

Bro what is truth?
Are you being truthful to yourself?
Avoiding controversial questions about your belief if not a trait of honesty.
So truth do u know? You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. So far daddy freeze has not told a single lie. He has been forthright.

Tithes are is as past as animal sacrifies or grain offering or slave owning that was practiced in the old testament.

Fasting solves nothing.

All these are true and can only be denied by a dishonest person. You would most likely skidaddle from my question if you want to remain in your dark cave of self exhaultation, thinking you hold something special and a connection to an almighty being thus disregarding all evidences by which truth is proven. For you cannot disprove any of what daddy freeze has exposed so far.

first, I'm not a christian. Second, ask yourself why daddy freeze is only exposing some aspect of christianity. Why not him bring the whole christian faith under scrutiny like he's been doing with fasting and tithing.

AHCB:
first, I'm not a christian. Second, ask yourself why daddy freeze is only exposing some aspect of christianity. Why not him bring the whole christian faith under scrutiny like he's been doing with fasting and tithing.

You certainly have a comprehension problem. Cant you see that this thread is asking the same questions you are advicing me to ask?