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It's a very popular question. Why don't Jews believe Jesus was the Messiah? Aren't the proofs convincing?

This is a sensitive issue, and it is hoped that no one will be offended by the candid answer provided here.

We do not believe that it is prophesied that the Messiah will be crucified. We do not believe that the Messiah will be the son of G-d. We do not believe that he will be raised from the dead any more than anyone else. We do not believe that he will appear twice, in what some Christians call a second coming. We do not believe that the Messiah will be our "savior" in the sense that he will redeem us from our sins.

These are all fascinating claims to make concerning anyone, but they are all irrelevant to the Messiah for whom the Jews have awaited these three thousand years. None of these things are prophesied in the Jewish Bible.

What then is this Messiah for whom we wait? The Messiah will be a mortal man, born of a normal man and woman.He will be a man very learned in all sections of the Torah, and he will be a very righteous man. He will be of the undisputed scion of David through his father. He will become uncontested ruler in the Land of Israel over all the People of Israel, that is, all Twelve Tribes of Israel. He will have at least one son, who will be king after the Messiah dies a normal death at an advanced age.

He will be as described by the Prophet Isaiah (Isaiah 11:2-4): "full of wisdom and understanding, counsel and might, knowledge and the fear of G-d . . . he will smite the tyrant with the rod of his mouth, and slay the wicked with the breath of his lips . . ." (Maimonides explains this last as merely a parable, and not to be taken literally.)

Still, the Messiah will primarily be a prince of peace. As it says (Isaiah 52:7) "How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of the messenger who announces peace."

The Messiah will bring an end to all suffering and war. He will rescue the Children of Israel from exile. He will teach the world how to revere truth, and they will all return to G-d (though not necessarily to Judaism). All forms of warfare will be abolished.

The Torah will be strengthened by the teachings and practices of the Messiah. It will not be weakened nor changed in the slightest.

The Jews will no longer be subjugated nor oppressed by other nations. (In fact, there will be no oppression or subjugation anywhere in the world, by anyone against anyone.) The Jews will be free in the Land of Israel. We will have the Holy Temple once again. We will have the full body of the Law restored by the full Sanhedrin and all lesser courts. And the Messiah will do all this on his first try. Indeed, this is how we will know he is the Messiah.

These are the main prophecies that the Torah tells us concerning the Messiah. The man who causes these to happen will be the Messiah. Since these have not happened, the Messiah, the one foretold by the Torah, has not yet come.

It will be through these signs that he will be recognized. It will not be through miracles, nor through resurrection of the dead, nor through any new creation. It will be through the total rescue we will undergo (as described in brief above) that we will know the Messiah. And in truth, we await the Redemption more than we await the Messiah. The Messiah will be G-d's messenger and vehicle for that Redemption.

And that is a very important point. We await our rescue from exile and an end to all human suffering in this world. The Messiah's purpose is not to make it possible for us to go to Heaven. The Torah teaches us how to do that already.

The man the Christians worship may have been a good person, and he may have taught many good things. (Although I hasten to point out that there are many teachings in the Christian Bible that are completely unacceptable to Orthodox Jews, and incompatible to the teachings of the Torah.) But he was not the Messiah for whom we await and have long awaited. He may have been crucified, and that's a horrible thing. But that merely proves to us that he was not the Messiah.

He was not the son of G-d any more than we all are; precisely no more or less. The very thought is repugnant to a Jewish person. G-d having a son in that manner? We shudder at the suggestion.

Nor do we believe he was resurrected. But even if he was, that would not make him the Messiah.

All this that is claimed about Jesus is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the Messiah. There will indeed be a resurrection, but not at the time of the Messiah's coming. That will be later.

The Jewish faith has no place for most of the Christian Messiah beliefs. Nor is there any way to reconcile Jesus with the Jewish concept of the Messiah. The two concepts have very little in common.

We still await the Messiah, and our faith is still strong.

http://www.beingjewish.com/toshuv/whynotbrief.html

chrisbaxtian:
what are you trying to prove by posting this article?! you are beginning to move towards the line of heresy and become a full blown apostate.

frosbel2:
Freedom of speech.
Better a full blown apostate than a religious bigot .

chrisbaxtian:
so you actually typed this? SMH

tartar9:
"The Jews say, The Christians have no ground to stand on, and the Christians
say, The Jews have no ground to stand on. Yet they both recite the Book, and
those who have no knowledge say the same; God will judge between them on
the Day of Resurrection concerning their disputes." Quran(2:114)


"O people of the Book! now hath come unto you making (things) clear unto you
Our Apostle after the break in (the series of) Our apostles lest ye should say:
there came unto us no bringer of glad tidings and no warner (from evil): but
now hath come unto you a bringer of glad tidings and a warner (from evil): and
Allah hath power over all things." Quran(5:19)

frosbel2:
Yes, you call a follower of God an apostate , how dare you -

frosbel2:
My friend go and sit down, your religion is equally as confusing, with all the death, bloodshed, slavery, racism and oppression it has contributed to mankind in the past millennium.

There is one God and he is not a Muslim or Christian God.

chrisbaxtian:
YES! going by your posts, you are fast becoming one. with your heresies in full display, who wouldn't suggest so?

tartar9:
Ok.
We had racist Muslims,so therefore Islam is confusing

frosbel2:
Heresies as defined from the perspective of your brand of Christianity.

One mans heresy is another man's truth.

Besides, Christianity is a religion handed down to you by the slave & colonial masters. So after thousands of years of African civilisation and almost 2000 years after the death of Christ, someone comes and tells you that your culture, religion and way of life is barbaric, they thrust a book at you called the Bible and ask you to renounce all your traditions ??

This is why the black man is still groping for the light. Following pagan religions instead of seeking after the one true God.

chrisbaxtian:
you are indeed an apostate! you have abandoned the truth in search for lies that do not edify the body of Christ. Here you are defending African traditional religion aka idolatry! SMH! YOU ARE LOST!!!

frosbel2:
Arabs treat blacks worse than shit, Islam and Christianity only prevailed through the sword. We had our way of life which was not perfect but the way we worship the Arab and White gods today is appalling.

frosbel2:
I AM LOST ? So says the religious BIGOT

I am not defending African tradition even though they had better morals in those days compared to these days, the era of your HOLY Christianity.

The bottom line is that there is ONE GOD and only him deserves worship, as Jesus said.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one " - Deuteronomy 6:4

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things ( JESUS included ) rather than the Creator ( ALMIGHTY GOD ) --who is forever praised. Amen" - Romans 1:25

Besides ;

-Your CROSS is PAGAN
-The Virgin birth is PAGAN
-Your holidays are all PAGAN ( Sunday, Christmas, Easter etc )
-The Trinity is PAGAN
-Your communion is PAGAN
-The Concept of a temple where you go to worship every SUNday is PAGAM

PAGAN religion, that's what Christianity is.

tartar9:
Why don't you just become a jew then?

frosbel2:
I AM LOST ? So says the religious BIGOT

I am not defending African tradition even though they had better morals in those days compared to these days, the era of your HOLY Christianity.

The bottom line is that there is ONE GOD and only him deserves worship, as Jesus said.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one " - Deuteronomy 6:4

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things ( JESUS included ) rather than the Creator ( ALMIGHTY GOD ) --who is forever praised. Amen" - Romans 1:25

Besides ;

-Your CROSS is PAGAN
-The Virgin birth is PAGAN
-Your holidays are all PAGAN ( Sunday, Christmas, Easter etc )
-The Trinity is PAGAN
-Your communion is PAGAN
-The Concept of a temple where you go to worship every SUNday is PAGAM

PAGAN religion, that's what Christianity is.

chrisbaxtian:
so says the heretic!

frosbel2:
I am not sure it matters one iota. Being a heretic of a false Pagan Christian religion is a plus .

frosbel2:
I AM LOST ? So says the religious BIGOT

I am not defending African tradition even though they had better morals in those days compared to these days, the era of your HOLY Christianity.

The bottom line is that there is ONE GOD and only him deserves worship, as Jesus said.

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one " - Deuteronomy 6:4

"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things ( JESUS included ) rather than the Creator ( ALMIGHTY GOD ) --who is forever praised. Amen" - Romans 1:25

Besides ;

-Your CROSS is PAGAN
-The Virgin birth is PAGAN
-Your holidays are all PAGAN ( Sunday, Christmas, Easter etc )
-The Trinity is PAGAN
-Your communion is PAGAN
-The Concept of a temple where you go to worship every SUNday is PAGAM

PAGAN religion, that's what Christianity is.

frosbel2:
No.

All those who practise love, patience, humility and righteousness are all brothers and sisters, whether Muslim, Christian or Jew!

Ferisidowu:
lol, even if you don't serve or reverence Jesus why dishonor God

if you a jw, so Muslims are now brothers with you. ..?

Ubenedictus:
frosbel I'll like a discussion with you... a discussion not an argument... even if we all agree to disagree.

do you still believe in God, what about Jesus? do you still hold to the new testament books? I saw you quoted Romans, are you now a Jew or just jew-ish?


I know once said you'll lose your earlier Protestant faith and go toward agnosticism and for that reason you may not wish to discuss with me...if that is the case it's alright... but I'll be happy if you did decide to have the discussion.

Ferisidowu:
lol frosbel2 again!? anyways I know you love feeding people with wrong information and doctrines ..... you claimed that Jews don't accept Jesus and happy deluding yourself...

anyways let me educate you as always,

1) not all Jews don't accept Jesus....
have you heard of Messianic Jews... they aren't Christians ooo yet they accept Jesus as Messiah.. they even affirm the Trinity (Wikipedia is your friend)

frosbel2:
I still believe in God of course.

frosbel2:
I am not sure it matters one iota. Being a heretic of a false Pagan Christian religion is a plus .

Ubenedictus:
what about Jesus, do you still hold the new testament?