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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 1:52pm On Jan 22, 2018
maclatunji:


Duh, they were taking Igbos and selling them as slaves. There was very little reason to interact culturally with people you simply raided.

How come the Obi of Onitsha copies Benin regalia?
What nonsense are you yapping about?

Obi of Onitsha copying Oba of Benin regalia? When was this?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by fatiaforreal: 1:52pm On Jan 22, 2018
Igbo is sub-Yoruba race. Take it or leave it, that's the truth!
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:53pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


But fluted pumpkin leaves don’t grow further west than Delta State.

Says who?
Is there some kind of weather phenomena isolated to delta state or SE?
Or you meant to write something else?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by bibe(m): 1:53pm On Jan 22, 2018
Originalsly:

I have issue with most of the above....did you make this stuff up? Igbo slaves were light skinned?...first time I'm hearing about light skinned slaves period. Slaves taken to work on plantations were all Black....dark skinned.
Africans were taken to t he West wayyyy before 1790..the slave trade was well established by 1790...and slaves were still taken there in large numbers after 1809.
Africans were not kidnapped by Europeans...can you imagine a European getting off the ship and running into the forests capturing natives?.....Africans were captured by Africans.... penned by Africans and sold to the Europeans.
The Igbos inability to speak what language? One if the first things the Plantation owners did...was to separate as much as possible those who speak the same language....a safeguard to prevent them from plotting. In any African community in the diaspora there still remain words that can be traced to any tribe....tribe not race that was taken as slaves. And yes...many such words are widely used in Jamaica because Jamaica's history is a bit different from the other countries.....and because of their history....Jamaicans are even today different from other nationalities that had a history of African slavery.
No problem trying to promote Igbos...bit please... get it right.


A European traveler of that period who was expediting in present day Nigeria starting his journey from yoruba lands to other parts of the present day Nigeria made note of the light skinned nature of the Igbos he encountered during his travels (compared to other ethnicities he had encountered)
Can't remember the name of the book but I actually came across it through nairaland. It was also during the period of Yoruba inter-tribal wars.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 1:53pm On Jan 22, 2018
konoplyanka:


Please stop with your ignorance. Yoruba just know ibo I n less than 150 years ago. We had nothing in common and didn't have any contact before the Advent of the colonialists. Ibos it is easy to borrow words from hausas which we have had contact with for centuries than ibos. Also, Edo had influence on ibos and could have made borrowing yoruba words easy.

You don't borrow words from people in foreign land unless they come to learn from your land.
I don't think you were referring to me but I me chip in, anyway.
What influence do Edo people had or have on Igbos?If Edo had an influence on Igbos it was on people of Onicha and the influence was contained there in Onicha or maybe a bit further into Anambra and not Igbos in General as you and your mischievous fellows are trying to paint it.

Your last paragraph, though. Where there ever a German, Italian, Greek or Roman invasion of England? How do you explain the so many borrowed words in English language?

Your ignorant self won't let you know that there is no superior language. You think inferior languages borrow from superior ones.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:54pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


My name’s nowhere close to Obinna? According to who?

Me. cool
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by djon78(m): 1:54pm On Jan 22, 2018
Lordave:
As usual, you're missing the who point of the discourse and trying too hard to make a ridicule of your initial brainfart just to massage your bigoted ego.

She asked how is it possible there are no much influence of the superior civilizations that captured and sold Igbos on the Igbos today? But the influence of Igbos are scattered almost all over Souther Nigeria?


Don't mind him at all. People will come here spreading falsehood. He claims that other tribes dominated igbos but there is no evidence of there domination in igbo culture.

All these ancient empires they were claiming were very backward. No written language, inventions, philosophies etc which we use to know impactful empires.

They claim Benin empire was great, how impactful were they.

The only impactful empire as far as Nigeria is concerned is the uthman danfodios Fulani empire. Highly organized and we'll structured and funny thing they are the ones still controling Nigeria today, because of the sound structure bequeathed to them. they should show us the influence of Benin and oyo empire they claim on today's Nigeria or should stop making noise.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:54pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Says who?
Is there some kind of weather phenomena isolated to delta state or SE?
Or you meant to write something else?

Ordinary pumpkin leaves but not fluted pumpkin leaves (ugu). Jump up and fight me from behind the screen if you want but it’s true.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 1:55pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


They’ve got their own version of ofe onugbu to be fair. Ewuro.
Lair have you ever eaten a soup called ewuro soup before, if not don't quote me again please...

It was when igbos got to these place that they started cultivating those things here or maybe it was in the forest but they were not aware of its usefulness, even up till now there is no specific thing yorubas use ewuro for...

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:55pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Me. cool

Am I now a Babatunde?

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:55pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


But fluted pumpkin leaves don’t grow further west than Delta State.

Lol. Ugu grows all over yoruba land. Do you think the ugu you eat in Lagos is from Delta?
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:56pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


Ordinary pumpkin leaves but not fluted pumpkin leaves (ugu). Jump up and fight me from behind the screen if you want but it’s true.

Do Igbos put shit in the soil there to make the flutted ones grow? lol

Plant it in Kumasi it will grow puleeese.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:56pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:

Lair have you ever eaten a soup called ewuro soup before, if not don't quote me again please...

It was when igbos got to these place that they started cultivating those things here or maybe it was in the forest but they were not aware of its usefulness, even up till now there is no specific thing yorubas use ewuro for...


Ewuro soup for one thing. It’s actually a thing over there.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 1:57pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Do Igbos put shit in the soil there to make the flutted ones grow? lol

Plant it in Kumasi it will grow puleeese.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maestroferddi: 1:59pm On Jan 22, 2018
[quote author=Probz post=64417396][/quote]Are we talking of a universal Igbo word or a slang from your village
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 1:59pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:

Lair have you ever eaten a soup called ewuro soup before, if not don't quote me again please...

It was when igbos got to these place that they started cultivating those things here or maybe it was in the forest but they were not aware of its usefulness, even up till now there is no specific thing yorubas use ewuro for...


Guy say what you know. Ewuro has been useful to Yoruba for soup and medicinal purpose before your father's ever the river Niger.

We don't cook it alone as vegetable soup. We use it as supplement for egusi soup just like scent leaf and any other leaves.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 1:59pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:

Lair have you ever eaten a soup called ewuro soup before, if not don't quote me again please...

It was when igbos got to these place that they started cultivating those things here or maybe it was in the forest but they were not aware of its usefulness, even up till now there is no specific thing yorubas use ewuro for...


See mumu

Ewuro is a soup and it is also a herb in Yorubaand.

We have a proverb that goes “Ewuro Lagba Igi”. ewuro is the eldeest of trees.
Also one that goes in english “Your problems might be bitter in the begining, but like Ewuro it is sure to become sweet in the end”

Shukudi, Take your time and stop making silly assumptions oooo grin

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by RedboneSmith(m): 1:59pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Sharap there Bitterleaf is Ewuro in Yoruba and it is used to cook very well (Google Obe Ewuro) and see for yourself. You igbos just sitdown in one corner of Festac in Lagos and start making assumptions about all of Yorubaland. Lmao!
Ugu on the other hand is pumpkin leaves. and funnily enough, pumpkins aren’t even native to africa.

Yorubas have no word for punpkin leaves.

Ugu is called fluted pumpkin or fluted gourd in English, and it is native to West Africa. Look it up.

Perhaps, its natural spread didn't extend into Yorubaland.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 2:00pm On Jan 22, 2018
fatiaforreal:
Igbo is sub-Yoruba race. Take it or leave it, that's the truth!

mumu, Yorubas are substandard igbos, yorubas are like an outlet of igbos.. take it or leave it

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 2:02pm On Jan 22, 2018
RedboneSmith:


Ugu is called fluted pumpkin or fluted gourd in English, and it is native to West Africa. Look it up.

Probably its natural spread didn't extend into Yorubaland.

Probably.
Yorubas have never laid any claims to owning ugu at any time anyways.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 2:02pm On Jan 22, 2018
maestroferddi:
What nonsense are you yapping about?

Obi of Onitsha copying Oba of Benin regalia? When was this?

You have not noticed? Too bad.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by mildflame: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2018
Igbos Yorubas Hausas Edos all dis tribal egos means nothing to Libyans South Africans n others...U r northin

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2018
maclatunji:


Duh, they were taking Igbos and selling them as slaves. There was very little reason to interact culturally with people you simply raided.

How come the Obi of Onitsha copies Benin regalia?
They never took anybody and sold into slavery.

Those kidnapped were kidnapped by criminals who ran slave trade gang in Igboland and was sold to the Bini's who latter sold to the Europeans.
Those who commited crimes against the community were also sold in slavery by their families or the community.
There were never a recognisable Bini influence in any part of Igboland, the little they had in Onicha you have to bend down to notice.

I've told you to quit been mischievous, you might grow your hairs back if you do.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 2:03pm On Jan 22, 2018
Lordave:
I don't think you were referring to me but I me chip in, anyway.
What influence do Edo people had or have on Igbos?If Edo had an influence on Igbos it was on people of Onicha and the influence was contained there in Onicha or maybe a bit further into Anambra and not Igbos in General as you and your mischievous fellows are trying to paint it.

Your last paragraph, though. Where there ever a German, Italian, Greek or Roman invasion of England? How do you explain the so many borrowed words in English language?

Your ignorant self won't let you know that there is no superior language. You think inferior languages borrow from superior ones.

At least you admit they have influence on onicha what about anioma?

The English people was under the Roman Catholic for centuries and thus had Latin influence.

Ignorant mofo doesn't even know that Spanish, french and Portuguese were from Latin. The Royal family is of German descent.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by bibe(m): 2:05pm On Jan 22, 2018
konoplyanka:


You know the influence of benins on anioma and onitsha right?

The Nri kingdom which influenced most of Igbo culture and civilisation was the oldest kingdom in present day Nigeria by historical sources and at it's zennith expanded up to margins of then and yet to metamorphosize bini empire.

With the birth and Rise of the bini empire it also extended it's influence further east crossing Agbor and up to present day Asaba (this why you have a lot more igbo cultural influence than that of bini in this areas) before it's fall.

Thus the Nri kingdom being the older had consolidated is influence way before and longer before the bini empire did.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by maclatunji: 2:07pm On Jan 22, 2018
Lordave:
They never took anybody and sold into slavery.

Those kidnapped were kidnapped by criminals who ran slave trade gang in Igboland and was sold to the Bini's who latter sold to the Europeans.
Those who commited crimes against the community were also sold in slavery by their families or the community.
There were never a recognisable Bini influence in any part of Igboland, the little they had in Onicha you have to bend down to notice.

I've told you to quit been mischievous, you might grow your hairs back if you do.

Do you know that according to Chinua Achebe, appointing a king was a form of taboo in Igbo land? Most Igbo settlements were villages nor heavily populated, poorly equipped militarily. They could not withstand the superior military might of the Binis and their allies.

All those guys had to do was organize raiding parties overpower the Igbo resistance and that was it.
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by scholes0(m): 2:07pm On Jan 22, 2018
Probz:


Am I now a Babatunde?

Nope not that either.
Why are you mentioning generic names?

Is your name generic? grin
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by konoplyanka: 2:08pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:


mumu, let's just assume that yorubas don't leave their caves(because na hausa full warri, eastern and northern parts of nigeria, is it only when you visit a place that you learn from them?
have ever been to UK or the US but you can type and speak English...
you learn from people when there is a form of communication, learning or influence is not limited to those that visit a place as those visiting can also influence and impact knowledge on those they are visiting... anu mpam

Fool how can you compare colonisation to migration?
Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by baby124: 2:10pm On Jan 22, 2018
BabaIbo:

oniro oshi, I know Yoruba people very well.. everything you wrote there is a lie, in fact pure lie... tell me one soup yorubas cook with ugu or bitterleaf... yoruba people make their vegetable soup or soup with green(which is also borrowed from igbo) or tete or arowonjeja..
Are you saying efo, which is spinach is also borrowed from Igbo? You are insane. The only vegetable used widely that is from Igbos is Ugwu.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Probz(m): 2:10pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


Nope not that either.
Why are you mentioning generic names?

Is your name generic? grin

My name’s Obinna. You can decide for yourself whether it’s unique or generic.

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by BabaIbo: 2:12pm On Jan 22, 2018
scholes0:


See mumu

Ewuro is a soup and it is also a herb in Yorubaand.

We have a proverb that goes “Ewuro Lagba Igi”. ewuro is the eldeest of trees.
Also one that goes in english “Your problems might be bitter in the begining, but like Ewuro it is sure to become sweet in the end”

Shukudi, Take your time and stop making silly assumptions oooo grin


sharap it was as a result of igbos presence... take it or leave it... there are traditional medicines you borrow from other tribes and as time goes on, you convert it to your own, that's the case of bitter leave... what yoruba call ewuro is that anything or substance that is bitter... lol, don't call it English adage, it's yoruba adage please...

FYI Igbos are the one known to use it for soup n medicine, yorubas borrowed the medicinal part...


Ojooo o!!! you don't know anything, your head is empty, do research please

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Re: Red Ibo In Jamaica: A Profile Of The Igbo People Of Jamaica by Lordave: 2:12pm On Jan 22, 2018
konoplyanka:


At least you admit they have influence on onicha what about anioma?

The English people was under the Roman Catholic for centuries and thus had Latin influence.

Ignorant mofo doesn't even know that Spanish, french and Portuguese were from Latin. The Royal family is of German descent.
They had an influence but how recognizable was the influence? Does the influence still linger till today? How much impact does it have if it does?

You're are the ignorant jellyfish here, cos it's obvious you have forgotten what you scribbled when you quoted me out of context. And the worst of your incurable stupidìty being that you didn't even make an attempt to understand my reply to you.

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