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nemesis4u:
Raj47 is ex MI

Yep.

lionel4power:
the Leo 2 hull wasn't breached

You will note my post didn't touch on the tank, but the battlefield acumen of the people operating the tank.

frumentius:
The incompetent Turks off to see their arses handed to them, again. Even if they prevail, it's going to come at a high price.

EDIT: Day 1 and they've lost a Leopard 2 sent out with no infantry cover!

I'm actually disappointed;I honestly thought given their long history of conflict with Greece,Kurds,Australians and regional skirmishing with Georgia and even Armenia the last century you'd think they'd enough institutional memory to do better.
Here are 2 contrasting reports from their Korean war action with the UN. One seems like a Greek reviewer and fyi,the 2 people have never been friends:

It is astonishing to observe that, the Turkish myth, starts as soon as the Turks arrived in Korea. It is true, that during their arrival they were given a lot of publicity for a number of reasons that have to do mostly with the observer’s psychology and aim. It has to be taken into account, that during that time, Turks were more or less unknown to the American people and even more concerning their fighting skills.....The first contact of the Turkish Brigade with the face of war proved to be disastrous. Those first incidents with the Turks, revealed that further on the cooperation with them would prove to be extremely difficult and for this reason a stronger contact and a stricter control had to be established. Nevertheless this did not take place right away, due to the fact that the myth had already been created and would follow the Turks ever since. No one seemed to take seriously into account these first signs of incompetence. Clay Blair notes with clarity: “Like the war correspondents, Coulter apparently was mesmerized by the Turks and continued to regard them as superhuman fighters rather than the poorly led green troops that they were. Coulter’s misplaced confidence in the Turks led to disastrous consequences”.(10)

http://www.doureios.com/magazine/TurksInKorea.html

The American units to which they were attached respected their skills and tenacity in combat. Some comments by American officers give insight into the Turks and their abilities. ‘They really prefer to be on the offensive and handle it quite well,’ went one appraisal. ‘They are not as good at defensive positions, and certainly never retreat.’ Another report told of their patrol skills: ‘Certain Turkish patrols always reported high body counts when they returned from patrols. Headquarters always scoffed at the high numbers, much higher in fact than any other unit, until the Turks decided to bring the enemy bodies back and dump them at headquarters for the body count.’

http://www.historynet.com/korean-war-1st-turkish-brigades-baptism-of-fire.htm

The truth may lie in between so I'll refrain from judgement. I wonder what exactly they've been training the Somalis?

Agni 5 recently test fired
Official range 5000km
Suspected range 8000+ km

Cannisterized with 3 MIRVs + decoys ( my info, officially no word on it foreign sources claim unitary warhead)

kikuyu1:
I'm actually disappointed

Let me tell this when the foundation of any military or any country is based on religion or narrow interpretation of racial superiority or ethnic superiority or perverted nationalism etc the fighting capability of that military/country is hampered, on paper they may be strong , but even before the war starts the fight is half lost , becz when things get tough reality will hit them so hard , that their convictions and make beliefs etc will crumble very fast and their will to continue the fight .

Eg. Middle East countries

kikuyu1:
I'm actually disappointed;I honestly thought given their long history of conflict with Greece,Kurds,Australians and regional skirmishing with Georgia and even Armenia the last century you'd think they'd enough institutional memory to do better.

The truth may lie in between so I'll refrain from judgement. I wonder what exactly they've been training the Somalis?

Well, if you purge your most experienced officers because they don't subscribe to the ruling party's ideology, you're going to get the tactical incompetence seen in that Leo video.

2nd Offshore Patrol Vessel for coast Guard launched at private company L& T Yard

DRDO newly developed 250 KW high-power silver oxide zinc torpedo batteries. The battery, which is used for heavyweight torpedo propulsion, will enhance the propulsion characteristics of the weapon. This will help in increasing the speed of torpedoes due to increased power from the present 100 kW to 250 kW, almost within the same space.

nemesis4u:
Let me tell this when the foundation of any military or any country is based on religion or narrow interpretation of racial superiority or ethnic superiority or perverted nationalism etc the fighting capability of that military/country is hampered, on paper they may be strong , but even before the war starts the fight is half lost , becz when things get tough reality will hit them so hard , that their convictions and make beliefs etc will crumble very fast and their will to continue the fight .

Eg. Middle East countries

Thats not the reason
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

DRDO ship launched heavyweight torpedo ‘Varunastra’ .

A submarine launched variant with optical fiber guidance is under development

I believe varunastra has been exported to Vietnam but kept under wraps due to obvious reasons.

patches689:
Thats not the reason
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

Thank u for the article

But I stand by what I stated before

My profession requires me to go for what u will call as the lynchpin . Or roughly for the layman "birds eye view"

I need a single point which is the root of all issues or related to it directly or indirectly or nearest to it.

An befitting analogy will be a stacked pack of cards , I am not interested professionally on how the spades or diamonds r linked arranged or how the cards r stacked numerically etc

I am interested in the single card which is most vulnerable , I remove that card the whole structure collapses ie the lynchpin

Theorizing or drawing factors too much induces ambiguity, uncertainties and increases the probability of cognitive traps.

The world of practical people (in service intelligence, policymakers etc) and theoretical people (media , writers , ex military/intelligence writing articles) r 2 different worlds most of the time.

What I have claimed before is based on my understanding acquired during the course of my job/jobs, discourse with relevant people in my field.


The acceptance of any statement made by others depends on the readers POV , he/she might agree or disagree as per their understanding.

So no wahala

frumentius:
I really don't understand how a fecal hole like Pak could ever think it could sustain a war with India. Much like the country's cobbled up name, it's a land of delusions.
The more serious Indian planners think of China rather than their incessant mosquito on their western frontier.

Lurking on pak.def,I always laugh! I'm reminded of the saying:"small dogs bark at everything!"

The Advanced Light Torpedo (TAL) Shyena is a advanced lightweight anti-submarine torpedo.

Launched from ships and helicopters.

This was exported to Myanmar

nemesis4u:
Thank u for the article

But I stand by what I stated before

My profession requires me to go for what u will call as the lynchpin . Or roughly for the layman "birds eye view"

I need a single point which is the root of all issues or related to it directly or indirectly or nearest to it.

An befitting analogy will be a stacked pack of cards , I am not interested professionally on how the spades or diamonds r linked arranged or how the cards r stacked numerically etc

I am interested in the single card which is most vulnerable , I remove that card the whole structure collapses ie the lynchpin

Theorizing or drawing factors too much induces ambiguity, uncertainties and increases the probability of cognitive traps.

The world of practical people (in service intelligence, policymakers etc) and theoretical people (media , writers , ex military/intelligence writing articles) r 2 different worlds most of the time.

What I have claimed before is based on my understanding acquired during the course of my job/jobs, discourse with relevant people in my field.


The acceptance of any statement made by others depends on the readers POV , he/she might agree or disagree as per their understanding.

So no wahala

That's true but the Turks are secular-almost like Europe. Also they're the largest NATO contingent,IIRC with a large home grown industry producing everything from gunships to corvettes,missiles and ARVs. Really,they should do better!

Damaged Turkish Leopard tank in Syria,hit by a ATGM during anti Kurdish operation

kikuyu1:
That's true but the Turks are secular-almost like Europe. Also they're the largest NATO contingent,IIRC with a large home grown industry producing everything from gunships to corvettes,missiles and ARVs. Really,they should do better!

there is growing conservative islam in turkey with help from erdogan party AK Parti .which was mentored by muslim brotherhood,they are building hundreds of mosques in turkey

kikuyu1:
That's true but the Turks are secular-almost like Europe. Also they're the largest NATO contingent,IIRC with a large home grown industry producing everything from gunships to corvettes,missiles and ARVs. Really,they should do better!

IMO recent events have undermined and compromised their good salient points.

But let's hope the good people fight back and take the country to prosperity and peace.

Their recent actions under the leadership of er.... is reminiscent of what Zia ul haq did with pa........ turned the country into a path of self destruction and never ending conflict with others etc. via religious and narrow nationalistic brainwashings of entire generations.

U cannot play with fire and not expect to get burned.
The chickens will one day come home to roost. (The chickens= terrorists/ religious fundamentalism)

In any country good people r always there , but the crux of the matter is will they take a stand or remain spectators.

I have attached a pic , the significance of the pic is manifolds (depends on ur interpretation and info) and albeit dangerous intentions for others .

AFAIK the Chinese were really pissed at this pic

For us it is messaging ur intentions albeit unobtrusively

L&T Interceptor Boat Bridge Console

DRDO active towed array sonar

DRDO Autonomous Underwater vehicle

DRDO Shakti Thermal Torpedo

DRDO Towed Array System

DRDO Integrated Anti submarine warfare complex

L&T Ultrafast Changeover Switch for naval radars

L&T Underwater (submarine) torpedo tube

L&T Twin Tube Torpedo launcher

Digital Flight Control Computer for LCA

Bharani Low Level Light Weight Radar

3-D Low Level Light Weight Radar

Russia to replace Shilka AD Complex with this

New Gen 57 mm Gun , AD Guns and on Tracked Vehical will be standardised on 57 mm Gun with Intelligent round , replacing most 30/45 mm Guns in AD

kikuyu1:
Lurking on pak.def,I always laugh! I'm reminded of the saying:"small dogs bark at everything!"

More aptly: "The dogs bark, meanwhile the caravan moves on!"

it seems Myanmar will buy 6 SU30 aircraft's from Russia