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frosbel2:
Did Abraham sacrifice his Son ?

i asked you why did God tell him to do so?

am not here to go round and round with you. if you have an answer say it. if you don't and your ashamed to admit then this conservation as no point. ok

frosbel2:
Psalm 24:25 in no way corroborates your argument, it simply says that we receive the ability to live righteously from God.

i was speaking of verse 5 . anyway the blessing you call an ability is from God it's not an ability you inherit from a man or an earthly father.

now this people seek that they can't give themselves and men can't give them but only God can give it.

so now what becomes of people that don't have this ability?

how do they get this ability.

MoR2:
frosbel2 for some who says in the whole scripture i assume you've read the whole scripture.
hope you also read judges 11:29-40.

just saying

anyway God said man should not, God never said He would not.
Man can't God can. expect your saying God isn't soveriegn, God is a man and Him sacrificing His own son is a crime.
and against what law is God bound that makes it a crime.

frosbel2:
He sacrificed his daughter out of his own volition, God never asked him to.

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If you can make such an ill-informed remark like this that Japheth sacrificed his daughter
then you wouldnt know a bunch of sausages from a bunch of bananas

MuttleyLaff:
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If you can make such an ill-informed remark like this that Japheth sacrificed his daughter
then you wouldnt know a bunch of sausages from a bunch of bananas

You lost me there !

frosbel2:
You lost me there !

That is probably because you are under an impressive illusion that Japheth sacrificed his daughter, when clearly he didn't do anything of such.

frosbel2:
Everyman is responsible for his own Sin, we are not responsible for Adams sin.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" - Ezekiel 18:20

"Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - Deuteronomy 24:16

These verses completely blow your concept of Jesus dying for OUR SINS, completely out of the water.

Of course I never said we were responsible for adam's sin.... I was only saying that we were held responsible because of him...meaning that we were punished as a result of his own sin, so if that's the case, why then can Jesus also not be able to redeem us through his own death... If you say those verses you cited up there completely blow out any proof that he could die for our sins... Please do explain the following verses,
1. Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:...
2. Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
I will be waiting....

MuttleyLaff:
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But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
- Isaiah 53:5

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
- 1 Peter 2:24

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree
- Acts 5:30

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
- 1 Corinthians 15:3

You should have dropped the most of the chapter 53 of Isaiah for him to see.

Here:

Isaiah 53:2-11

2 He will come up like a twigd before him,* like a root out of parched land.
No stately form does he have, nor any splendor;e
And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.*
3 He was despised and was avoided by men,f
A man who was meant for* pains and was familiar with sickness.
It was as if his face were hidden from us.*
He was despised, and we held him as of no account.g
4 Truly he himself carried our sicknesses,h
And he bore our pains.i
But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgression;k
He was crushed for our errors.l
He bore the punishment for our peace,m
And because of his wounds we were healed.n
6 Like sheep we have all wandered about,o
Each has turned his own way,
And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him.p
7 He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted,r
But he would not open his mouth.
He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter,s
Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers,
And he would not open his mouth.t
8 Because of restraint* and judgment he was taken away;
And who will concern himself with the details of his generation?*
For he was cut off from the land of the living;u
Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke.*v

9 And he was given a burial place* with the wicked,
And with the rich* in his death,
Although he had done no wrong*
And there was no deception in his mouth.

10 But it was Jehovah’s will* to crush him, and he let him become sick.
If you will present his life* as a guilt offering,
He will see his offspring,* he will prolong his days,
And through him the delight* of Jehovah will have success.
11 Because of his anguish,* he will see and be satisfied.
By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant,
Will bring a righteous standing to many people,
And their errors he will bear.

The OT clearly prophesied that the Messiah Jesus will die for the sins of Man.

If it is written as above, that is what that matters. It does not matter what man says.

The ways of man is not the way of Yahweh.