Omudia11:
All these margins amount to What? Proof? Hahahaha


Note: There is no Jew or Gentile who denies the existence of Jesus Christ. Not even one. There's a video of jews on YouTube being asked about Christ and 100% of them acknowledged his prophethood because the person of Jesus Christ is deeply embedded in their history.

Yes Qur'an 100% supports this. Along with historians,
Theologians and people who actually matter.

Your opinion = invalid

Reading always seem hard for you anyways

keep spilling crap and dancing around when challenged

Says the one who's notorious for writing bullcrap

hopefulLandlord:


Reading always seem hard for you anyways

keep spilling crap and dancing around when challenged

Omudia11:
Says the one who's notorious for writing bullcrap

A simple look at your post history compared to mine definitely shows who's more intelligent and respectful between us

Oh! Would you help originalkalokalo out by mentioning just a single contemporary account of Jesus?

wellmax:
Are you done?
I'll tell you what, when you die you gonna know the truth. But then it will be too late.

Brain rot! He wrote the truth but you never addressed it and resorted to threats. I have always said that there is no hope for stupid people as they will carry there stupidity to the grave.

Only jobless trolls go that far into digging up valueless information. How does my post history advance your life's goals?

Are you really that jobless Mr hopefullanlord?

hopefulLandlord:


A simple look at your post history compared to mine definitely shows who's more intelligent and respectful between us

Oh! Would you help originalkalokalo out by mentioning just a single contemporary account of Jesus?

Omudia11:
Only jobless trolls go that far into digging up valueless information. How does my post history advance your life's goals?

Are you really that jobless Mr hopefullanlord?

one doesn't need to dig though, you post a lot in a short time, then hibernate and come back to post again; You insult and are usually unnecessarily aggressive towards whoever you're quoting so one doesn't need to do any digging at all to know you lack intellect and respect, it follows your every post

I'm just entertaining you right now for the lolz and it keeps this thread up


BTW Would you help originalkalokalo out by mentioning just a single contemporary account of Jesus?

You who insult God and his followers 24/7 All day everyday have intellect and respect?

Get a life hypocrite! I'm done conversing with you. [s]

hopefulLandlord:


one doesn't need to dig though, you post a lot in a short time, then hibernate and come back to post again; You insult and are usually unnecessarily aggressive towards whoever you're quoting so one doesn't need to do any digging at all to know you lack intellect and respect, it follows your every post [/s]

Omudia11:
You who insult God and his followers 24/7 All day everyday have intellect and respect?

Get a life hypocrite! I'm done conversing with you. [s]

You got it all wrong my sweet Amberon, I don't insult "god" and his followers

I challenge the idea of god, you'll hardly see me insult people I discuss with but I do insult the idea, if you can't differentiate "Idea" from the person holding it then your problem is worse than I thought; god and Christianity remain ideas as far as I'm concerned, same way you probably see atheism

Please, don't stop conversing with me on this thread, I'll kill myself if you do

joyandfaith:
Did Jesus Really Exist?
HE WAS neither rich nor powerful. He did not even have a home that he could call his own. Yet his teachings have influenced millions. Did Jesus Christ really exist? What do both modern and ancient authorities say?
Michael Grant, a historian and an expert on ancient classical civilization, noted: “If we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned.”
Rudolf Bultmann, a professor of New Testament studies, stated: “The doubt as to whether Jesus really existed is unfounded and not worth refutation. No sane person can doubt that Jesus stands as founder behind the historical movement whose first distinct stage is represented by the oldest Palestinian community [of Christians].”
Will Durant, a historian, writer, and philosopher, wrote: “That a few simple men [the Gospel writers] should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so lofty an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospels.”
Albert Einstein, a German-born Jewish physicist, asserted: “I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene.” When asked if he viewed Jesus as a historical person, he responded: “Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
“No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus.”—Albert Einstein
WHAT DOES HISTORY REVEAL?
The most detailed record of Jesus’ life and ministry is recorded in the Bible accounts known as the Gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—named after the men who wrote them. In addition, a number of early non-Christian sources name him.
TACITUS
(c. 56-120 C.E., or Common Era) Tacitus is considered to be one of the greatest of the ancient Roman historians. His Annals deal with the Roman Empire from 14 C.E. to 68 C.E. (Jesus died in 33 C.E.) Tacitus wrote that when a great fire devastated Rome in 64 C.E., Emperor Nero was considered responsible. But Tacitus wrote that Nero accused the Christians in order to “scotch the rumour.” Then Tacitus said: “Christus, the founder of the name [Christian], had undergone the death penalty in the reign of Tiberius, by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilatus.”—Annals, XV, 44.
SUETONIUS
(c. 69–a. 122 C.E.) In his Lives of the Caesars, this Roman historian recorded events during the reigns of the first 11 Roman emperors. The section on Claudius refers to turmoil among the Jews in Rome that was likely caused by disputes over Jesus. ( Acts 18:2 ) Suetonius wrote: “Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Christus], he [Claudius] expelled them from Rome.” ( The Deified Claudius, XXV, 4) Although wrongly accusing Jesus of creating disturbances, Suetonius did not doubt his existence.
PLINY THE YOUNGER
(c. 61-113 C.E.) This Roman author and administrator in Bithynia (modern Turkey) wrote to Roman Emperor Trajan about how to deal with the Christians in that province. Pliny said that he tried to force Christians to recant, executing any who refused to do so. He explained: “Those who . . . repeated after me an invocation to the [pagan] Gods, and offered adoration, with wine and frankincense, to your image . . . and who finally cursed Christ . . . , I thought it proper to discharge.”— Pliny—Letters, Book X, XCVI.
FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS
(c. 37-100 C.E.) This Jewish priest and historian states that Annas, a Jewish high priest who continued to wield political influence, “convened the judges of the Sanhedrin [the Jewish high court] and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.”— Jewish Antiquities, XX, 200.
THE TALMUD
This collection of Jewish rabbinic writings, dating from the third to the sixth centuries C.E., shows that even Jesus’ enemies affirmed his existence. One passage says that on “the Passover Yeshu [Jesus] the Nazarean was hanged,” which is historically correct. (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a, Munich Codex; see John 19:14-16 .) Another states: “May we produce no son or pupil who disgraces himself in public like the Nazarene”—a title often applied to Jesus.—Babylonian Talmud, Berakoth 17b,

You didn't bring any proof my friend, you are highlighting the powerful influence of a falsehood taken as truth and the great extent of devotion it's foolish followers can give to it. HopefulLandord brought concrete proof.

Martinez19:
Brain rot! He wrote the truth but you never addressed it and resorted to threats. I have always said that there is no hope for stupid people as they will carry there stupidity to the grave.

Pot calling ketle black.
You started with a insult, but to me that's nothing.

Why should I address such falsehood and misinformation.

History recorded that Jesus did live at a time.
The Quran agrees to his existence
The Bible foretold his coming, gave a clear and provable account of His life on earth.
Many other religion recognise Jesus.

You may not believe Him as Lord, Saviour and God.

But to completely deny His existence is both folly and self deception.

If it suit your sentiments, go on.
One day you will see the truth, I pray it will not be too late for you.

wellmax:


Pot calling ketle black.
You started with a insult, but to me that's nothing.

Why should I address such falsehood and misinformation.

History recorded that Jesus did live at a time.
The Quran agrees to his existence
The Bible foretold his coming, gave a clear and provable account of His life on earth.
Many other religion recognise Jesus.

You may not believe Him as Lord, Saviour and God.

But to completely deny His existence is both folly and self deception.

If it suit your sentiments, go on.
One day you will see the truth, I pray it will not be too late for you.

Do you know how many movies and books attest to the presence of Batman? If bible and other holy books are proof of Jesus's existence then Harry Potter novels are proof of Harry Potter's existence.

Hahahaha....

@ bolded, edakun pls don't die oh..

The thing is this, "God" may just be an idea to you but to born again Christians (and I don't mean church goers or Christians by association) God is not an idea. Christianity is a personal relationship with God and just like every other relationship communication is key. These things are foolishness to any non-christian. But we who are in it know what it is and that's why no true Christian should compromise their faith for anything because truly nothing is worth compromising your faith for.

You may keep searching for physical proof of God but I tell you, all that effort would be in vain because you will not find anything which you haven't already seen; reason being that God is a spirit and a spirit is not seen with bare eyes.

The best search you can conduct (which will definitely yield results) is neither Google nor Wikipedia search. It's one whose answers you won't find in any history book. Not even one archaeological finding can lead to his discovery because Jesus Christ is risen so his remains cannot be found anywhere on earth. The best search is of your conscience. Do you truly want to know if God exists? Or deep within you, you would rather convince yourself he is non-existent so as to mock his followers.

It is easy, if you have a genuine quest to know, then all you have to do is ask. Why resort to books and Google when you can go directly to the source? If you are sincere in your quest and you actually ask God he will reveal himself to you but if not, he won't.

I'm not trying to buy you over o, just my two cents.

hopefulLandlord:


You got it all wrong my sweet Amberon, I don't insult "god" and his followers

I challenge the idea of god, you'll hardly see me insult people I discuss with but I do insult the idea, if you can't differentiate "Idea" from the person holding it, then your problem is worse than I thought; god and Christianity remain ideas as far as I'm concerned, same way you probably see atheism

Please, don't stop conversing with me on this thread, I'll kill myself if you do

Martinez19:
Do you know how many movies and books attest to the presence of Batman? If bible and other holy books are proof of Jesus's existence then Harry Potter novels are proof of Harry Potter's existence.

Why did you ignore evidence from history, other 'holy books' by other religions like I stated. Why did you single out The Bible.

Keep living in denial, you are only deceiving yourself.
I know that deep in your spirit you know the truth.

Omudia11:
This is a very mediocre topic and not one to even ponder about at all.

The person of Jesus Christ is part and parcel of Jewish and Israeli history. The Jews may just see him as a regular prophet but they have never for once denied his existence. He is of the house of David. Saying Jesus never existed is like saying Abraham, Isaac, Joseph and all the other biblical figures were fictional and that would be very laughable. To the Jews Judaism is not just a religion but also a part of their cultural heritage. Their entire existence revolves around those biblical figures of which Jesus Christ is the most famous.

So saying things like this is very laughable.

Thor and Odin is part and parcel of the Norse history.
Oduduwa or Ogun in yoruba that came to earth from a chain is part and parcel of yoruba history.
Zeus is part and parcel of Greek history.
Williams Tell(though this is somewhat believable) is part and parcel of swiss history.
I could go on and on to mention historical figures of different cultures and tell you their attributes which you wouldn't believe, therefore your "tribe history" argument is not valid.

Most Jews don't believe a man existed that walked on water, fed thousands with 5 loaves of bread(supposed to be the most awesome miracle ever) and other attributes given to this "Jesus".
From the bible, the works of your "Jesus" was meant to be so popular, for goodness sake He taugt a very large crowd of thousands of people in the mountains, and yet no contemporary writing of him exists.
Julius ceaser existed before jesus yet we have a contemporary evidence(especially the coins and sculpture) that he existed.
Aristotle and plato existed before Jesus and we have evidence for this when reading about their personal writings and writings from their students in school of athens.
Though Socrates existence can be contended.

But guess what, Jesus whose works were beyond human imagination and always have a crowd following him does not have any contemporary record of him only stories coming out hundreds of years later.

wellmax:


Why did you ignore evidence from history, other 'holy books' by other religions like I stated. Why did you single out The Bible.

Keep living in denial, you are only deceiving yourself.
I know that deep in your spirit you know the truth.

Which other "holy books" and when were there written?

Omudia11:
All these essays amount to What? Proof? Hahahaha


Note: There is no Jew or Gentile who denies the existence of Jesus Christ. Not even one. There's a video of jews on YouTube being asked about Christ and 100% of them acknowledged his prophethood because the person of Jesus Christ is deeply embedded in their history.

Yes Qur'an 100% supports this. Along with historians,
Theologians and people who actually matter.

Your opinion = invalid

Most of what the early muslims wrote cam from interaction with the Ebionites and what they believe about Jesus would shock you.
Besides, the Qur'an was written centuries after...

It doesn't matter what they see Jesus as. The most important thing is that believe he existed and still exists.

4kings:

Most of what the early muslims wrote cam from interaction with the Ebionites and what they believe about Jesus would shock you.
Besides, the Qur'an was written centuries after...

Epistles upon epistles.

When you give them fact, they resort to fiction. Who apart from the very tribes concerned knew and could bare testimony of the divinity of such people? For example only Yorubas venerate Oduduwa. No one else can attest to his divinity and such is the case with that man "Pan ku" from Asia who allegedly divided the heavens and the earth using a chisel.

Lol....really dude? Too many flawed things that I would spend too much time trying to discredit.

Do you know that thousands of people were witnesses who came forward to testify of the wonders Jesus Christ did? Which they actually saw with their eyes and could prove? Pls speak with facts. There is no Jew who is in doubt of the divinity or prophethood or even existence of Jesus christ. Like I said Jesus is of the house of David and the Jews have proof of every single biblical account. Just Google "city of David" because that topic is too broad for me to delve into. They even found the site of the second temple recently which Jesus said would utterly destroyed. Like I said there is no single Jew who debunks the existence of Jesus, Never. The just don't attribute a godlike status to him.

How many of those historical figures gave accurate predictions of future events like Jesus? None! That's more proof Jesus Is Supreme.

4kings:

Thor and Odin is part and parcel of the Norse history.
Oduduwa or Ogun in yoruba that came to earth from a chain is part and parcel of yoruba history.
Zeus is part and parcel of Greek history.
Williams Tell(though this is somewhat believable) is part and parcel of swiss history.
I could go on and on to mention historical figures of different cultures and tell you their attributes which you wouldn't believe, therefore your "tribe history" argument is not valid.

Most Jews don't believe a man existed that walked on water, fed thousands with 5 loaves of bread(supposed to be the most awesome miracle ever) and other attributes given to this "Jesus".
From the bible, the works of your "Jesus" was meant to be so popular, for goodness sake He taugt a very large crowd of thousands of people in the mountains, and yet no contemporary writing of him exists.
Julius ceaser existed before jesus yet we have a contemporary evidence(especially the coins and sculpture) that he existed.
Aristotle and plato existed before Jesus and we have evidence for this when reading about their personal writings and writings from their students in school of athens.
Though Socrates existence can be contended.

But guess what, Jesus whose works were beyond human imagination and always have a crowd following him does not have any contemporary record of him only stories coming out hundreds of years later.

4kings:

Which other "holy books" and when were there written?

Books by other religions.
The Quran tells more about Jesus than Mohammed.

wellmax:


Books by other religions.
The Quran tells more about Jesus than Mohammed.

Do you know how far apart the bible is from the day Mohammed was bor? Centuries bro...

That's like saying drawing evidence for Oduduwa because Wole Soyinka wrote about him centuries later.
There is no contemporary record of Jesus existence.

Omudia11:
It doesn't matter what they see Jesus as. The most important thing is that believe he existed and still exists.

That's the point there didn't believe only in the gnostic interpretation of who jesus was not a physical person born of a virgin.
Jesus was a gnostic concept that got twisted along the line in history.

Omudia11:
Epistles upon epistles.

When you give them fact, they resort to fiction. Who apart from the very tribes concerned knew and could bare testimony of the divinity of such people? For example only Yorubas venerate Oduduwa. No one else can attest to his divinity and such is the case with that man "Pan ku" from Asia who allegedly divided the heavens and the earth using a chisel.

Lol....really dude? Too many flawed things that I would spend too much time trying to discredit.

Do you know that thousands of people were witnesses who came forward to testify of the wonders Jesus Christ did? Which they actually saw with their eyes and could prove? Pls speak with facts.

Can you mention one person during Jesus's time as a witness out of the thousands that alledgedly witnessed him apart from those from the bible.

There is no Jew who is in doubt of the divinity or prophethood or even existence of Jesus christ.
Like I said Jesus is of the house of David and the Jews have proof of every single biblical account. Just Google "city of David" because that topic is too broad for me to delve into. They even found the site of the second temple recently which Jesus said would utterly destroyed. Like I said there is no single Jew who debunks the existence of Jesus, Never. The just don't attribute a godlike status to him.

The early sect of Ebionites were mostly jews and never belived Jesus existed.
Get your facts straight, where did you come up the stats that NO jew disbelieve jesus's existence.

On another note, you question Oduduwa's existence based on the fact that it's constrained to a tribe and does not have external testimonies. This is also same for Jesus unless you can bring up just One sect, author or historian(not from the bible) that existed during jesus time to buttress your point.

How many of those historical figures gave accurate predictions of future events like Jesus? None! That's more proof Jesus Is Supreme.

What predictions are you talking about?
Is it the prediction that jesus made to his disciple that he would come down from heaven during their lifetime?

hopefulLandlord:
A growing number of scholars are openly questioning or actively arguing against Jesus’ historicity

Religion is one of the most enduringly powerful forces on earth. Two of the most influential, both today and in the past, Christianity and Islam, believe that Jesus Christ played a pivotal role in both faiths.

Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God, born of a virgin birth, was crucified and resurrected for the remission of sins. Muslims believe that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth brought forth by the command of Allah and became one of his most important (and subsequently revered) prophets. Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified but that another man died in his place.

Whether or not we believe in the existence and life of Christ as a matter of faith most people are prepared to accept that Jesus was a real and verifiable historical figure; that he was born, lived and died in Judea between around 4BC and 33AD. This has been repeated so many times that most people do not ever think to challenge it but should they? Did a man called Jesus, son of Mary (and adoptive son of Joseph) walk the paths of Judea or was he merely a figment of imagination? A group of stories and myths pulled together by a range of cynical individuals for a particular purpose?

If you are a Christian, of course, the existence of Christ is a matter of faith but should non-Christians believe in Jesus so readily? Here are my top 9 reasons to claim that Jesus never existed.

Dear OP, Bible aside. If you are truly looking for sufficient evidence as to the existence or otherwise of Jesus who once lived on earth.

Kindly consider these historical and archaeological evidence before concluding on the matter;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLGbhuLtKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLGbhuLtKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsS5x9_DitU

Unless you are saying these experts are liars and you are right...

Cheers

4kings:

Do you know how far apart the bible is from the day Mohammed was bor? Centuries bro...

That's like saying drawing evidence for Oduduwa because Wole Soyinka wrote about him centuries later.
There is no contemporary record of Jesus existence.

Abeg go and sleep.
Have no time for mindless internet fiddlers.
You belief or disbelief WILL NOT change facts.

The history of Isreal attested to the existence of Jesus.
The Holy Bible foretold and tells about his life and times.
Several other books talk about him.

Today we are witnesses to His omnipresence and life.

A scientist comes from no where and tell us lies, but you choosed to follow him.

Believe what you want, the truth doesn't change.

I have dignified you with responses enough.

I have better use of my time.

4kings:

Do you know how far apart the bible is from the day Mohammed was bor? Centuries bro...

That's like saying drawing evidence for Oduduwa because Wole Soyinka wrote about him centuries later.
There is no contemporary record of Jesus existence.

Oh it's should have been written by Oduduwa before he left the world.
Sorry you want contemporary report, let's hope Punch or Vanguard will write about it soon.

We can take this joke even farther.
Adam never existed
Moses was never born
Jacob is a fantasy.
Jonah, Job are all fairly tales.

Are you happy now.

Oh peace, trouble 4kings not, let him lie in his folly.

You can't be more Catholic than the pope.

Jesus was a Jew and the Jews know this. That s like telling saying Abraham Lincoln wasn't American. Everyone is entitled to their opinions , just not their facts.

And the nigga had to quote me twice

4kings:

That's the point there didn't believe only in the gnostic interpretation of who jesus was not a physical person born of a virgin.
Jesus was a gnostic concept that got twisted along the line in history.

OkaiCorne:


Dear OP, Bible aside. If you are truly looking for sufficient evidence as to the existence or otherwise of Jesus who once lived on earth.

Kindly consider these historical and archaeological evidence before concluding on the matter;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLGbhuLtKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCLGbhuLtKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsS5x9_DitU

Unless you are saying these experts are liars and you are right...

Cheers

I'm not shocked at this... not at all... your kinds are very funny...
Do you know the half-life of a dna?
And where did they get the blood for sample?
Has any credible scientific institution in any part of the world approved this nonsense?

Do you know who Ryon Wyatt is and his many debunked archeological theories?
You're believing the words of a man who is seen as a joke in the scientific community, smh.

wellmax:

Abeg go and sleep.
Have no time for mindless internet fiddlers.
You belief or disbelief WILL NOT change facts.

You dey vex?
At least you know now that the Quoran is not adequate proof for the bible.

The history of Isreal attested to the existence of Jesus.

Do you even know the history of Israel Mr.Man?

The Holy Bible foretold and tells about his life and times.
Several other books talk about him.

What other books(apart from those centuries later)?
And do you know how many "facts" in your bible that have been debunked and considered by modern christians as metaphors?

Today we are witnesses to His omnipresence and life.

How?

A scientist comes from no where and tell us lies, but you choosed to follow him.

Science is based on carefully calculations and deductions, which can be observed and replicated by any intelligent person, stop saying nonsense.
The white man came from no where and told you lies and you chose to follow him.

Believe what you want, the truth doesn't change.

I have dignified you with responses enough.

I have better use of my time.

Okay.

wellmax:

Oh it's should have been written by Oduduwa before he left the world.
Sorry you want contemporary report, let's hope Punch or Vanguard will write about it soon.

We can take this joke even farther.
Adam never existed
Moses was never born
Jacob is a fantasy.
Jonah, Job are all fairly tales.

Are you happy now.

Oh peace, trouble 4kings not, let him lie in his folly.

It seems you're a newbie sha...
Adam never existed, yes, The calculations of the timeline written from genesis and numbers all the way to david makes the biblical dating of mankind to be about 6000years old which is scientifically impossible.
More so, it's not even mathematically possible for a family of 4 to produce a population 6 billion people in 4000 years.(Ya so Noah and his family are also myth)

Most of moses's account are identical to an ancient civilisation called the sumerians...
I have debated all these and many more here on Nairaland in time past.
You better go make a good research with an open mind.

Omudia11:
You can't be more Catholic than the pope.

Jesus was a Jew and the Jews know this. That s like telling saying Abraham Lincoln wasn't American. Everyone is entitled to their opinions , just not their facts.

And the nigga had to quote me twice

There are numerous evidence for the existence of Abraham Lincoln, Mr.Man.

4kings:

I'm not shocked at this... not at all... your kinds are very funny...
Do you know the half-life of a dna?
And where did they get the blood for sample?
Has any credible scientific institution in any part of the world approved this nonsense?

Do you know who Ryon Wyatt is and his many debunked archeological theories?
You're believing the words of a man who is seen as a joke in the scientific community, smh.

Do you have sufficient evidence to counter this?

All I see are questions which has answers and proofs over in Israel for the world to see...

Do you have any sufficient evidence to counter what I have posted?

OkaiCorne:


Do you have sufficient evidence to counter this?

All I see are questions which has answers and proofs over in Israel for the world to see...

Do you have any sufficient evidence to counter what I have posted?

If you don't understand how those questions counters the video then i won't bother debating with you.