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sleekdot:
How is it different from

Henrik Larson

Scottish Premier League Top Scorer (5): 1998–99,[210] 2000–01,[210] 2001–02,[210] 2002–03,[210] 2003–04[210]
SFWA Footballer of the Year (2): 1999,[34] 2001[52]
SPFA Players' Player of the Year (2): 1999,[34] 2001[52]
Scottish Premier League Player of the Month (2): September 2000,[211] November 2002[211]
European Golden Boot: 2001[45]
UEFA Euro 2004: Team of the Tournament[212]
Scottish Football Hall of Fame[213]
Tidernas Guldboll (All-time best Swedish football player): 2005[214]
All-time UEFA Cup/Europa league goalscorer: 40 goals[215]


Bebeto


Copa América top scorer: 1989.
South American Footballer of the Year: 1989.
South American Team of the Year: 1989.[13]
Bola de Prata: 1992.
Campeonato Brasileiro Série A top scorer: 1992.
Pichichi Trophy: 1992–93.


Looking at the above awards, one would be tempted to think Larson is 5 times the player Bebeto was.

Why will anyone be biased against a country that hasnt made a final in half a century. I am not one of those who would still beef a crippled beggar while driving a benz

Still the same sneaky Dayo.
Anyways what Doc listed were WC achievements not even league or European but WC achievements.
Meaning in the presence of other German,Italian, Brazilian, Spanish etc players , Sir Bobby Charlton won these awards.

Dayo name what this your country man won in the same WC competition?
Atleast its a tournament that involves the best players.

Oh and Bobby "breasted" in a final too

sod09:
bebeto played in brazil throughout his career and you compared him with larson.
like seriously uncle dayo

Who do you think is a better player between Larson and Bebeto?

liveLongNprospa:
Still the same sneaky Dayo.
Anyways what Doc listed were WC achievements not even league or European but WC achievements.
Meaning in the presence of other German,Italian, Brazilian, Spanish etc players , Sir Bobby Charlton won these awards.

Dayo name what this your country man won in the same WC competition?
Atleast its a tournament that involves the best players.

Oh and Bobby "breasted" in a final too

What I listed for Larson includes European Golden boot, UEFA cup all time top scorer

Did you watch both Larson and Bebeto and do you think Larson is way better than Bebeto

sod09:
bebeto played in brazil throughout his career and you compared him with larson.
like seriously uncle dayo

Bebeto played in Europe. You should have done more research before saying that.

Simply looking at what I posted you can see Pichichi and you still said he played all his career in Brazil

afrodoc2:
Hahaha Mynd44 must have inflicted damage on you.
We are talking about Ballon d’Or awards, FIFA World Cup awards, international all time awards and you came up with this?
At least you LISTED individual awards for both Larsson and Bebeto. Please list the individual achievements of Littbaski so that people can laugh small.
Dayo, remember I said sensible post o.

These individual awards etc are mostly popularity contests. Some players deserve them and some dont

I am sure Michael Owen too will say he won Balon dor, and I can mention 10 players better than Owen who never won Balon dor. In EPL alone Drogba Henry Shearer, Rooney, Lampard Gerrard, Suarez, Nistelrooy, Vidic, Scholes. are better than Owen yet none ever won Balon dor

E.g Michael owen Balon dor, Henry never won. Tell me who was the better player between the 2.

NB: They played in the same era

sleekdot:
if its based on lifetime achievement and who is more successful, why are you not listing Rooney in the team? I doubt any current active PL player is more succesful or has won as much as him.

The reason is that current achievements take precedents over what you achieved ages ago.

Wenger has also won 3 league titles so he should be the best coach in the league since no one has won more than 3 titles

Mourinho has won 3 also. for the bolded.

you see why I said I don't want to debate with you. Players and managers are not the same. Players use energy and strength mostly, managers use their experience and intuition. You can't bet against SAF coming out from retirement to win a league title just like Jupp heynckes returned after 5 years of initial retirement. But Ronaldo delima or Andy Cole cannot make Bristol city bench if they return now. the Rooneys example is way off.

My question again, Will you after the 2012 season make Mancini or Di matteo the manager while SAF is the assistant? or after last season, you make Zidane the manager, while pep or mourinho or even Ancelloti the assistant. Please be Frank.

CapitalCee:
Mourinho has won 3 also. for the bolded.

you see why I said I don't want to debate with you. Players and managers are not the same. Players use energy and strength mostly, managers use their experience and intuition. You can't bet against SAF coming out from retirement to win a league title just like Jupp heynckes returned after 5 years of initial retirement. But Ronaldo delima or Andy Cole cannot make Bristol city bench if they return now. the Rooneys example is way off.

My question again, Will you after the 2012 season make Mancini or Di matteo the manager while SAF is the assistant? or after last season, you make Zidane the manager, while pep or mourinho or even Ancelloti the assistant. Please be Frank.

You answer lies in your response to the below:

Is Wenger the best coach or top 2 best coach in the current EPL?

Hint: No other coach has won more EPL titles than him, Further hint: only 1 coach has won more than half of Wengers EPL titles

As things stand, Zidane is shot himself into the elite band of active coaches and would be peers with Mourinho Pep etc.

sleekdot:
Change to what? why should I change? Change from the path of logic to what?

you are not just being logical, it's either you are. deliberately twisting facts as usual or just being ridiculous. my issue with you is you are very knowledgeable about issues, but you most times overflog the facts out of shape.

sleekdot:
Who do you think is a better player between Larson and Bebeto?

larson bros...
bebeto playe in one of the best brazilian squad. my point is you can say an average brazilian is better than some european elite
btw if you call bebeto an average player what will you call benard, wanger love, fred etc

sleekdot:
You answer lies in your response to the below:

Is Wenger the best coach or top 2 best coach in the current EPL?

Hint: No other coach has won more EPL titles than him, Further hint: only 1 coach has won more than half of Wengers EPL titles

As things stand, Zidane is shot himself into the elite band of active coaches and would be peers with Mourinho Pep etc.

please dayo answer the question in my last paragraph, leave Wenger alone.

at least it has been established that your Rooney example is way off in terms of managers.

phaamsaam:
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Hian! !! ..Agbalagba! !!

CapitalCee:
you are not just being logical, it's either you are. deliberately twisting facts as usual or just being ridiculous. my issue with you is you are very knowledgeable about issues, but you most times overflog the facts out of shape.

Attack the illogical point and make your logical argument from it. Most of my points are very logical

You think picking a team of the year, Sanchez and Mahrez deserves it over Sterling who has almost as many goals as the 2 combined this season

You think Mendy who played less than 300minutes this season, You think that Bailly who has missed about 3months out of 7months deserves to make the team of the season

You think these positions are logical?

sleekdot:
There is a reason Mourinho is not top of the league currently and he isnt even within a 10point reach of the top. Someone who is better sits there

Yes because Klopp that sat on top of bundesliga for 2 seasons ahead of heynckes is better than him, or Mancini is better than SAF. or Conte that Sat there last season is better than mou or pep. this is what you call logic abi?

afrodoc2:
You are not making sense with this submission. We are comparing Bobby Charlton and Littbarski not average somebody vs average somebody.

Bobby Charlton
1966 Ballon d'Or Golden Ball, 1967 Ballon d'Or Silver Ball, 1968 Ballon d'Or Silver Ball, 1966 World Cup Golden Ball, 1966 and 1970 World Cup All Star Team, World Cup All Time Team 1994, BEASTED a World Cup Final, BEASTED a European Cup Final and scored 2 goals, 49 international goals mainly as a midfielder.

Littbarski
1985 German Goal of the year, 18 international goals.

Yet, "Littbarski is better than Bobby Charlton"..........Dayo 2018. No Anti-English bias indeed.

sometimes dayo don't check most of his post, before clicking the submit button. he knows the game well but his amalanomics sometimes makes him comment like hensbrain

sleekdot:
These individual awards etc are mostly popularity contests. Some players deserve them and some dont

I am sure Michael Owen too will say he won Balon dor, and I can mention 10 players better than Owen who never won Balon dor. In EPL alone Drogba Henry Shearer, Rooney, Lampard Gerrard, Suarez, Nistelrooy, Vidic, Scholes. are better than Owen yet none ever won Balon dor

E.g Michael owen Balon dor, Henry never won. Tell me who was the better player between the 2.

NB: They played in the same era

Don't be deluded. Drogba was never better than Owen.

sleekdot:
What I listed for Larson includes European Golden boot, UEFA cup all time top scorer

Did you watch both Larson and Bebeto and do you think Larson is way better than Bebeto

Dayo my man

Stick to the argument.
These are WC awards. They are open to everybody.
I can understand your hate for English players, but this argument holds no water.

You are trying to bring in different examples to suit your argument.
I am sticking to just this argument alone.

So who is better? And why is he better.
Also do you have the numbers and awards to support your claim?

If you can't provide these things then please take a chill pill and argue something else

sleekdot:
Pierre Littbarski was not average he was above average and any above average German should be better than elite ENglish by default just like an average Brazilian footballer is better than an elite Swedish player.

That is the reason Henrik Larson might be the best Swedish player of all time but wont be better than say a Juninho Jardel Elber who were considered average in Brazilian standard

England is a country notorious for producing mediocre talents. Even in their league, most of the best players are rarely English

Yes Jardel and Juninho are better than Zlatan

sod09:
larson bros...
bebeto playe in one of the best brazilian squad. my point is you can say an average brazilian is better than some european elite
btw if you call bebeto an average player what will you call benard, wanger love, fred etc

bebeto is average Brazilian player, Larson is elite Swedish player and I think Bebeto was even better. Some players who will never make Brazil team will be elite in many other countries

E.g Deco who couldnt make Brazil became a Portugues elite, Eduardo will never make Brazil and he is one of Croatias best players. If Bebeto switched to Sweden in 1985, he would have been Swedens best ever player

So the point is still that being average in Brazil is elite in Sweden, Being average in Germany is elite level for England

Littbarski in England would have been one of the best English players ever

CapitalCee:
please dayo answer the question in my last paragraph, leave Wenger alone.

at least it has been established that your Rooney example is way off in terms of managers.

You said the point is about coaches and their lifetime achievement and trophies they won several years ago will always make them elite, I asked you if Wenger is the best or top 2 in the league based on your logic and you are now asking me to leave Wenger alone

Is it because Wenger defeats your logic?

CapitalCee:
Yes because Klopp that sat on top of bundesliga for 2 seasons ahead of heynckes is better than him, or Mancini is better than SAF. or Conte that Sat there last season is better than mou or pep. this is what you call logic abi?

If we are to pick the best Buli coach in 2012, to coach the Buli team of the year Klopp would have been the one not Heynckes

if we are to pick the coach t manage the team of last season Conte would have been there ahead of Pep or Mourinho

The team is called team of the SEASON not of the past 2 decades.

CapitalCee:
sometimes dayo don't check most of his post, before clicking the submit button. he knows the game well but his amalanomics sometimes makes him comment like hensbrain

You havent made any point here

Kholiwe:
Don't be deluded. Drogba was never better than Owen.

You think so? Many people will disagree with you

Kholiwe:
Don't be deluded. Drogba was never better than Owen.

people might have different opinions but to me Drogba is slightly better than Micheal. but dayo is notorious for his hate for Englishmen. like his Boateng vs Terry debate. and he said Ferdinand only played for man u because of catchment area.

liveLongNprospa:
Dayo my man

Stick to the argument.
These are WC awards. They are open to everybody.
I can understand your hate for English players, but this argument holds no water.

You are trying to bring in different examples to suit your argument.
I am sticking to just this argument alone.

So who is better? And why is he better.
Also do you have the numbers and awards to support your claim?

If you can't provide these things then please take a chill pill and argue something else

Was Bebeto not eligible for European golden boot and he never won, Which of the awards Larson was eligible for was Bebeto not?

Owen won Balondor, Henry never won. Who is better between the 2? Is Balon dor not a world class award, was it not open to everyone including Henry, Xavi, Lampard, Gerrard Rooney

CapitalCee:
people might have different opinions but to me Drogba is slightly better than Micheal. but dayo is notorious for his hate for Englishmen. like his Boateng vs Terry debate. and he said Ferdinand only played for man u because of catchment area.

Those are just strawman arguments
I love Scholes and he is an Englishman, I love Gazza he is an Englishman, I love McManaman he is an Englishman. I dont rate Hazard as high and he is not English. I don't like Higuain and he is not English

I think Drogba is better than Owen, You think Drogba is better than Owen but you said mine was because of English hate, what is your own reason for picking Drogba ahead of Owen? Do you also hate English players

sleekdot:
bebeto is average Brazilian player, Larson is elite Swedish player and I think Bebeto was even better. Some players who will never make Brazil team will be elite in many other countries

E.g Deco who couldnt make Brazil became a Portugues elite, Eduardo will never make Brazil and he is one of Croatias best players. If Bebeto switched to Sweden in 1985, he would have been Swedens best ever player

So the point is still that being average in Brazil is elite in Sweden, Being average in Germany is elite level for England

Littbarski in England would have been one of the best English players ever

john fashanu couldnt make nigeria squad yet he ran to england
costa playing for spain instead of brazil does that mean he cant bench fred or jesus
the bolded doesn't mean a player is better or not
deco couldnt make brazil team cos they were better than him even juninho paulista didnt get much playing time for brazil to show how good that squad was

sod09:
john fashanu couldnt make nigeria squad yet he ran to england
costa playing for spain instead of brazil does that mean he cant bench fred or jesus
the bolded doesn't mean a player is better or not
deco couldnt make brazil team cos they were better than him even juninho paulista didnt get much playing time for brazil to show how good that squad was

Who said John Fashanu couldnt make Nigerian team? Players who have options will first choose the more prestigious nation before the other option. England was more prestigious than Nigeria and Brazil was more prestigious than Portugal or Croatia, Soon you will say Dele Alli cant Make Nigerian team was why he chose England

What is the point of this post? Is it to prove me wrong that Deco was good enough to make Brazil or that Eduardo was good enough to play for Brazil?

sleekdot:
Who said John Fashanu couldnt make Nigerian team? Players who have options will first choose the more prestigious nation before the other option. England was more prestigious than Nigeria and Brazil was more prestigious than Portugal or Croatia, Soon you will say Dele Alli cant Make Nigerian team was why he chose England

What is the point of this post? Is it to prove me wrong that Deco was good enough to make Brazil or that Eduardo was good enough to play for Brazil?

tah john said it himself nigeria didnt pick him so he left...
yes deco will also that squad but he also had better option where he will be respected

sleekdot:
You said the point is about coaches and their lifetime achievement and trophies they won several years ago will always make them elite, I asked you if Wenger is the best or top 2 in the league based on your logic and you are now asking me to leave Wenger alone

Is it because Wenger defeats your logic?

Wenger did not defeat my logic you are just beating about the bush.

now answer this simple questions. Please as numbered.

1. After the 2012 season, would you have Placed Mancini or Di matteo as managers while SAF is their assistants.
2. As at may 2017 would Zidane be the manager of your team while Pep is the assistant.

3. should we do away with the reputation of heynkes, since Klopp waz on top of henckyes in 2012 and make Klopp the manager and heynckes the assistant?

4. so after last season Conte should immediately be turbaned the manager while PEP is his assistant?

ogbeni do you check what you are typing at all?

sleekdot:
Those are just strawman arguments
I love Scholes and he is an Englishman, I love Gazza he is an Englishman, I love McManaman he is an Englishman. I dont rate Hazard as high and he is not English. I don't like Higuain and he is not English

I think Drogba is better than Owen, You think Drogba is better than Owen but you said mine was because of English hate, what is your own reason for picking Drogba ahead of Owen? Do you also hate English players

It's clear to all and sundry that Terry is head and shoulders better than baoteng who was made to dance atilogwu in front of the whole world.

sleekdot:
If we are to pick the best Buli coach in 2012, to coach the Buli team of the year Klopp would have been the one not Heynckes

if we are to pick the coach t manage the team of last season Conte would have been there ahead of Pep or Mourinho

The team is called team of the SEASON not of the past 2 decades.

I you have cemented my view about you. thanks for not. disappointing me.

CapitalCee:
Wenger did not defeat my logic you are just beating about the bush.

now answer this simple questions. Please as numbered.

1. After the 2012 season, would you have Placed Mancini or Di matteo as managers while SAF is their assistants.
2. As at may 2017 would Zidane be the manager of your team while Pep is the assistant.

3. should we do away with the reputation of heynkes, since Klopp waz on top of henckyes in 2012 and make Klopp the manager and heynckes the assistant?

4. so after last season Conte should immediately be turbaned the manager while PEP is his assistant?

ogbeni do you check what you are typing at all?

WHy is the Wenger question beating about the bush. Your reason for arguing for Mourinho is that he has won more trohies in England than others, but Wenger has won more trophies in ENgland than others So why are you not pushing for Wenger

I dont understand why this is so hard. Its called team of the SEASON that means the best people for this season not for their entire career
Sterling this season has been better than Mahrez or Sanchez and rightfully will be picked

Okay lets make this simple, there are PFA awards coming in a few weeks Should we wager on who would be picked for the team? If Sterling makes it you give me $1k, If Sanchez or Mahrez makes it I give you $1k

If there is a manager of the season award in the PFA Guardiola wins you give me $1k Mou wins it I give you $1k

Is this fair enough and does it resolve this confusion

If you take this bet then I agree that I am the one not logical, if you refuse this bet then can we agree that you are the one not logical

DEAL or no DEAL?