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Op I agreed with you to some extent. Is very true that employer will never employ a liability they will always look for someone that can add value to their company. But where are the graduate job please? I Av a guy that graduated from a UK university and come to Naija with d prospect that he will be employ by a company. Imagine this guy's was disqualified because he had no experience. This same guy went to Romania and got a job immediately with his certificate. We need more company that will spell out graduate job

CodeTemplar:
One of the flimsy excuse that landed them in the unemployable state is what you just sampled again. For example, in Computer Engineering a typical uni undergraduate isn't suppose to see things like motherboards, RAM and HDD in lab while undergoing their B.Sc program. It is the students who erroneously think Computer Engr in Uni is same as Computer Engineering Technical Certification where they get to learn PC repairs. Most times the syllabus thought is very similar to what the teach in advance nations.

it is not absolutely their fault that they are ignorant,their intention is to learn,unknowingly they dont get what they intended to get,the education system sets them up for failure,many students innocently run into this dilemna,i was a victim too

uuzba:
Level playing ground.
YOu want the industry to give you opportunities to learn. As per you want them to teach you and pay you salary. Free teaching?

Where I work, there's this IT student who is always pressing his phone, whatsapp and facebook infront of his PC.

My boss too has a phone. But he's always doing a lot of MSExcel calculations. He hardly looks at his phone when in the office. The IT and other gradutes have not taught him anything new. He is the one who is even teaching them how to perform one calculation or another.

How do you think he feels about the IT student and gradutes?
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If you really believe that you can bring change to an industry, you should understand the full workings of that business and why they do things the way they do them. Your change may step on a lot of unpleasant toes that you are not seeing due to your inexperience.
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You must see yourself as the boss himself and wear his shoes to know what he is feeling. Don't just criticize him. Only then can you pass accross your new idea with your own eyes clearly open.

Check the bold statement; this is why we are not getting anywhere in this country. Inasmuch as organizations expect you to add your quota, they have a role to play in your training and career development. It is so funny you said teach you and pay you; the teaching and training is to empower you to do your job with expertise and technicality. Why are we building a different culture here in Nigeria whereas when you travel overseas, tools, training kits, mentoring and career development are part of what employers make available to you; this was s however practised in some multinationals. Not aiding employee development is one of the reasons employee's loyalty in Nigeria is at the minimum as the employee has nothing to gain from his organization other than monetary compensation while he is being milked dry hence, immediately he sees a higher paying employer, he resigns and moves on without any feeling; such culture needs to be changed.

I have heard this line a lot of times.My only question is just that,how are these same graduates travelling abroad and holding good jobs?I know a lot off hand that are working for major companies, financial institutions and even foreign governments in their countries of abode.I guess what it takes to be "employable" in Nigeria is different from the western world.

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omokudu:
when a requirement for a job is Post SSCE, what does it mean?

Any qualification other than Senior School Certificate such as NCE, ND, HND, BSC, PGD, MSC, E.t.c

Xisnin:
Go back to school!

jst keep quiet if you don't want to answer a question.

blueivy8:
it means u shld ask google

I noticed you jst want to get my attention, you've gotten it.... clap for your self

perfectgen:
Check the bold statement; this is why we are not getting anywhere in this country. Inasmuch as organizations expect you to add your quota, they have a role to play in your training and career development. It is so funny you said teach you and pay you; the teaching and training is to empower you to do your job with expertise and technicality. Why are we building a different culture here in Nigeria whereas when you travel overseas, tools, training kits, mentoring and career development are part of what employers make available to you; this was s however practised in some multinationals. Not aiding employee development is one of the reasons employee's loyalty in Nigeria is at the minimum as the employee has nothing to gain from his organization other than monetary compensation while he is being milked dry hence, immediately he sees a higher paying employer, he resigns and moves on without any feeling; such culture needs to be changed.

I've tried to convince you to see yourself as the employer. You still want freebies.
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Do multinational companies take dull graduates with 3rd class and train them? Usually 1st class or 2.1. If somebody can gain 3rd class in same school that another is gaining 1st class, it means the 3rd class person is quite slow in understanding some concepts. Why should a business looking for profit waste its time and resources retraining you that did not pass your uni courses? The table has turned. This is when YOU must show that you have something to offer. No matter how small. Stop waiting to be trained in everything. Train yourself. Try to find out what the business does and ask questions. They will answer.

Who trained Bill Gates and the Facebook boy? How about the Amazon man Jeff Bezoz? Who trained them?

If you keep carrying entitlement attitude it will inhibit your from even yourself. That Innoson man, who trained him?

You won't believe how much training we are giving that IT guy in my office. He won't read any new books. Just to press WhatsApp and Facebook on his phone. My boss doesn't have his time again.

Read about Bill Gates life. This is picture of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the 10volumea of Macropedia and the 20 volumes of Micropedia.
It contains all topics in this world from A - Z. Each one book is about 1000page. Bill gates parents had it in their house. He read EVERYTHING before even entering University.
Today, you have Wikipedia which is also A-Z of all topics but updated.

Too much battering from childhood in the name of discipline distorts the brain permanently.

LordKO:
Conceitedness and disingenuousness remains the two major vices/ills that hinders most graduates (people) progress in life. Once these ethical vices are cured you'll see that opportunities abound and most Nigerian graduates are employable.

A typical conceited graduate is like a fanatical religious proponent who believes that any doctrine aside his is evil. To a conceited graduate, anything beyond his parochial mind doesn't exist - so long as he's financially poor and doesn't understand how to create wealth then, anyone else that amassed wealth must be an evil doer. They'd rather envy and disparage others who're better than them instead of to be humble to imitate - if not learn - from them.

Meanwhile, a typical disingenuous person being hypocrisy, greediness, selfishness and too clever by half personified is always looking for a method to use ruin you - clever people earn to share with associates/employers, they don't eat from them. He doesn't know that opportunism is different from opportunity - opportunism is evil.

At best academic education confers to one that acquires it thoroughly "articulacy" but it never confers competency to anyone. And in reality what one need to succeed outside the academic environment is competency with a little touch of articulacy or non of it at all. More than 90 percent of Nigerian graduates are articulate incompetent - they knows everything but understand nothing valuable - but conceit will never allow the unfortunate to accept the reality and learn humbly and in honesty from any useful available source.

Nigeria remains a virgin land for anyone that wishes to amass wealth.

Wow, great wisdom. Are you Olakunke Soriyan ni? �

I come from a family of academics, all through my life, i was practically raised in the university and i can tell you the problem with Nigeria is her educational system. Due to the massive attention given to degree holders over the years, a lot of person s who would have been better off going for vocational training in various forms of labour are forced to go get a degree. Now when these persons apply to these universities for the courses of their choice, its either they dont do well and are denied admission or they are given a totally different course that they have no interest in to study. Therefore you have someone who would have been a talented lawyer studying Fine Art, or a talented fashion designer studying Mass Communications, someone who would have been a talented Doctor studying History, and the list goes on and on. These persons come out and become misfits because the system choose to push them into a different area rather than horne those God given potentials in them. Also the issue of curriculum where u have computer science and engineering students learning fortran rather than current programming languages and trends, Students in 2017 are still being taught the same courses using the same processes used in 1987. Even the professors most of who are living in denial do not upgrade their books. More than 80% of Nigerian Professors do not know how to use a laptop at an intermediate level. Very few can comfortably type their full CVs without asking from assistance someone else. After watching Black Panther, i realised the power of education and its potentials which we tend to overlook and disregard in this country. Education goes beyond having a degree or certificate. Unfortunately that is the only aspect we see. Hence the rush for certificates and degrees and yet it is not being translated into factories and industries. The concept of being Unemployable only arises because people are coming out of our educational system and there is no place for them to fit in. Even if all the industries needed were built today, it will collapse because the persons we are churning out of our institutions are not competent enough to handle such infrastructure because the system did not prepare them for it.

addictiv:
I come from a family of academics, all through my life, i was practically raised in the university and i can tell you the problem with Nigeria is her educational system. Due to the massive attention given to degree holders over the years, a lot of person s who would have been better off going for vocational training in various forms of labour are forced to go get a degree. Now when these persons apply to these universities for the courses of their choice, its either they dont do well and are denied admission or they are given a totally different course that they have no interest in to study. Therefore you have someone who would have been a talented lawyer studying Fine Art, or a talented fashion designer studying Mass Communications, someone who would have been a talented Doctor studying History, and the list goes on and on. These persons come out and become misfits because the system choose to push them into a different area rather than horne those God given potentials in them. Also the issue of curriculum where u have computer science and engineering students learning fortran rather than current programming languages and trends, Students in 2017 are still being taught the same courses using the same processes used in 1987. Even the professors most of who are living in denial do not upgrade their books. More than 80% of Nigerian Professors do not know how to use a laptop at an intermediate level. Very few can comfortably type their full CVs without asking from assistance someone else. After watching Black Panther, i realised the power of education and its potentials which we tend to overlook and disregard in this country. Education goes beyond having a degree or certificate. Unfortunately that is the only aspect we see. Hence the rush for certificates and degrees and yet it is not being translated into factories and industries. The concept of being Unemployable only arises because people are coming out of our educational system and there is no place for them to fit in. Even if all the industries needed were built today, it will collapse because the persons we are churning out of our institutions are not competent enough to handle such infrastructure because the system did not prepare them for it.

I studied in UK. Post graduate. What I noticed about the the undergraduates, the industry comes to the university to tell the university what to teach the students.
Not all students go to university. People are so creative that they can get on with their lives without a university education. Employers are more concerned with what you can do for their company than how many degrees you have.

Their parents do not pay for their undergraduate studies. At age 18years, each person has his life to live and gets out of Daddy and mummy's house.
If you feel/think that University is meant for you, you take a student loan offered by the government. Pay your tuition and accommodation then do your degree. So their undergraduates are very focused on what they want to achieve and where they are going to work. They are mini-business men, investing in their future.
When they graduate and get that targeted job that they already had before entering the university, they pay back the student loan to the government. It is taken from their salaries.
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If a person already has a job and does not feel that a university degree is worth his stress, he does not go to one. He can just buy books and read. Or go to a library and update himself.

noted

TooNoisy:
While I agree with you on the various points you made about continuous improvement, your headline statement is very wrong.

The truth is that young Nigerian graduates are not given the same opportunity to succeed as some of their peers in the developed world. When unemployment is very high as it is in Nigeria, the few opportunities available become extremely competitive and people are eliminated based on some flimsy excuses. Besides the best of the few opportunities will go to the children of the high and the mighty leaving fewer opportunities to the regular people.

The same Nigerian graduates go abroad and succeed. Our people are succeeding in the UK, US, Canada and several other countries. If some of these people did not travel abroad, their careers may never have started in Nigeria and you folks will say it is because they are unemployable. That is very judgmental and wrong. Our current political and economic climates limits the number of people that can succeed in Nigeria. A country where the budget for the 600 people in the National Assembly is more than most States in the Federation.

Nigerian graduates are actually victims of the society and not unemployable.

Apart from that if you know what was budgeted for education compared to other African nations , you will just weep.

The op is completely wrong & out of point...........
What about the graduates that are employable but the companies deny them job because of nepotism ..........
Alot of foreign trained nig students are being denied jobs and brushed aside by trifling companies..........

After SSCE. Could be OND, Certification or degree

omokudu:
when a rqequirement for a job is Post SSCE, what does it mean?

opad:
Wow, great wisdom. Are you Olakunke Soriyan ni? �

I'm glad we think alike. Meanwhile, to your question no.

uuzba:
I've tried to convince you to see yourself as the employer. You still want freebies.
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Do multinational companies take dull graduates with 3rd class and train them? Usually 1st class or 2.1. If somebody can gain 3rd class in same school that another is gaining 1st class, it means the 3rd class person is quite slow in understanding some concepts. Why should a business looking for profit waste its time and resources retraining you that did not pass your uni courses? The table has turned. This is when YOU must show that you have something to offer. No matter how small. Stop waiting to be trained in everything. Train yourself. Try to find out what the business does and ask questions. They will answer.

Who trained Bill Gates and the Facebook boy? How about the Amazon man Jeff Bezoz? Who trained them?

If you keep carrying entitlement attitude it will inhibit your from even yourself. That Innoson man, who trained him?

You won't believe how much training we are giving that IT guy in my office. He won't read any new books. Just to press WhatsApp and Facebook on his phone. My boss doesn't have his time again.

Read about Bill Gates life. This is picture of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the 10volumea of Macropedia and the 20 volumes of Micropedia.
It contains all topics in this world from A - Z. Each one book is about 1000page. Bill gates parents had it in their house. He read EVERYTHING before even entering University.
Today, you have Wikipedia which is also A-Z of all topics but updated.

You are still not getting me; I am not talking of the likes of your IT student, who is lazy and not ready to learn. I am talking of those who have it in them to make positive changes but not accorded any form of opportunity, yet being tagged unemployable.
You mentioned Bill Gates; go back and read his biography and see that he came from a privileged home, which most of us cannot boast of. His real breakthrough was the opportunity to intern at IBM from where he was able to practically execute his OS project which is now known as Microsoft but how many big firms are giving out internship opportunities to the so called average kids here in Nigeria; except for Andela, most multinationals internship is now based on who you know.
Now to the question of grades; it has been killing us from day one. We focus too much on grades and end up learning too much theory in order to graduate with first class and the likes while our foreign counterparts work on research and inventions.
This is not to downplay the essence of taking our studies seriously; for example, I graduated with a distinction and second class upper which I did concurrently because I focused so much on graduating that way but what is the essence of such grades when we can't convert it to practical innovation; partly due to our level of exposure; thanks to the so called employers who called us unemployable or why do you think government is pushing so much for local content and technology transfer.
The real essence of knowledge is in its ability to liberate; not just to have it. With the number of first class and distinction graduates we have in Nigeria, we should be able to better our lives and innovate, but like I and you know, the educational environment doesn't give much in terms of exposure and practical learning, yet the work environment too is now playing stereotype, so what is the future of the country with such a culture.
Truth is if not for the large number of graduates being churned out in Nigeria; with employers being able to pick as they like, nobody will call another person unemployable. They have too many choices for the few openings relative to the number of willing workers or can the employers do the job all by themselves; it is not about entitlement but a symbiotic relationship thing.
I really see where you are coming from but even though I am gainfully employed in a very good firm with over seven years experience, it is not just about me but every other person who desires such opportunity, so let us drop the unwholesome labeling of graduates as unemployable; let us all assist in working on their deficiencies while giving them opportunities to excel in what they know how to do best. Most celebrated inventors today are failures in other thing; Bill Gates just had a tennis match with Roger Federer to generate funds for a philanthropic venture but his inability to beat Federer doesn't make him a dunce; this is my exact argument. People should not be measured and called unemployable based on only our predefined metrics; tell me they have challenges and I will agree but to label them as unemployable is inadmissible.
I however like your pattern of thinking; it shows self reliance and hope you can give the Nigerian graduates more opportunities to showcase what they have in them and you will agree with me that nobody is unemployable.

perfectgen:
You are still not getting me; I am not talking of the likes of your IT student, who is lazy and not ready to learn. I am talking of those who have it in them to make positive changes but not accorded any form of opportunity, yet being tagged unemployable.
You mentioned Bill Gates; go back and read his biography and see that he came from a privileged home, which most of us cannot boast of. His real breakthrough was the opportunity to intern at IBM from where he was able to practically execute his OS project which is now known as Microsoft but how many big firms are giving out internship opportunities to the so called average kids here in Nigeria; except for Andela, most multinationals internship is now based on who you know.
Now to the question of grades; it has been killing us from day one. We focus too much on grades and end up learning too much theory in order to graduate with first class and the likes while our foreign counterparts work on research and inventions.
This is not to downplay the essence of taking our studies seriously; for example, I graduated with a distinction and second class upper which I did concurrently because I focused so much on graduating that way but what is the essence of such grades when we can't convert it to practical innovation; partly due to our level of exposure; thanks to the so called employers who called us unemployable or why do you think government is pushing so much for local content and technology transfer.
The real essence of knowledge is in its ability to liberate; not just to have it. With the number of first class and distinction graduates we have in Nigeria, we should be able to better our lives and innovate, but like I and you know, the educational environment doesn't give much in terms of exposure and practical learning, yet the work environment too is now playing stereotype, so what is the future of the country with such a culture.
Truth is if not for the large number of graduates being churned out in Nigeria; with employers being able to pick as they like, nobody will call another person unemployable. They have too many choices for the few openings relative to the number of willing workers or can the employers do the job all by themselves; it is not about entitlement but a symbiotic relationship thing.
I really see where you are coming from but even though I am gainfully employed in a very good firm with over seven years experience, it is not just about me but every other person who desires such opportunity, so let us drop the unwholesome labeling of graduates as unemployable; let us all assist in working on their deficiencies while giving them opportunities to excel in what they know how to do best. Most celebrated inventors today are failures in other thing; Bill Gates just had a tennis match with Roger Federer to generate funds for a philanthropic venture but his inability to beat Federer doesn't make him a dunce; this is my exact argument. People should not be measured and called unemployable based on only our predefined metrics; tell me they have challenges and I will agree but to label them as unemployable is inadmissible.
I however like your pattern of thinking; it shows self reliance and hope you can give the Nigerian graduates more opportunities to showcase what they have in them and you will agree with me that nobody is unemployable.

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Been some days. Didn't know this topic was still on.
Well, we must tell ourselves the truth. In this country called Nigeria, Employers do not need graduates. Simple.
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I once worked in a firm that did some type of construction related things. I am adept at all things computer.
Guess what? They had no electricity. No light!! End of story.
Some junior technician blew up one of the Generators...
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The man had no light... and with that, he had lost interest in computers. I was useless to him. There were other
competitors in the market now, a market that he once dominated. No number of graduates can revive that
company. Even Chinese had entered the market and were also constructing same thing the guy used to construct.
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How many graduates do you need to solve that problem?
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I work now in another firm. Number ONE: This firm has light and inverters. Therefore, computers work. So I'm useful once more.
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But the firm needs contracts from clients to survive. No matter how inventive we are, if we cannot get clients in
a highly competitive market, there will be no money for anybody's salary.
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What we need, is Nation Building.
Say no to importation. Tell ourselves, "We can do it".
This is what America, China, UK, Europe... This is what they do. They all know that if they import recklessly, they will lose jobs.
So they take pride in their home grown industries and DO NOT import. China = Zero!
This is what makes the local industries have jobs.
It is this jobs they can give to graduates. They give them brief training and the job is done.

uuzba:
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Been some days. Didn't know this topic was still on.
Well, we must tell ourselves the truth. In this country called Nigeria, Employers do not need graduates. Simple.
-
I once worked in a firm that did some type of construction related things. I am adept at all things computer.
Guess what? They had no electricity. No light!! End of story.
Some junior technician blew up one of the Generators...
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The man had no light... and with that, he had lost interest in computers. I was useless to him. There were other
competitors in the market now, a market that he once dominated. No number of graduates can revive that
company. Even Chinese had entered the market and were also constructing same thing the guy used to construct.
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How many graduates do you need to solve that problem?
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I work now in another firm. Number ONE: This firm has light and inverters. Therefore, computers work. So I'm useful once more.
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But the firm needs contracts from clients to survive. No matter how inventive we are, if we cannot get clients in
a highly competitive market, there will be no money for anybody's salary.
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What we need, is Nation Building.
Say no to importation. Tell ourselves, "We can do it".
This is what America, China, UK, Europe... This is what they do. They all know that if they import recklessly, they will lose jobs.
So they take pride in their home grown industries and DO NOT import. China = Zero!
This is what makes the local industries have jobs.
It is this jobs they can give to graduates. They give them brief training and the job is done.

I totally agree with you. God will help us all and empower the country to make the best use of its human resources.