₦airaland Forum

Wizedoc:
Johesu parties should first deal with their in-house inequalities before fighting a lost cause by trying to earn close to doctors. Pharmacy technicians do not earn as much as pharmacists, registered nurses do not earn as much as BNSc nurses, laboratory technicians do not earn as much as their Scientist counterparts, why the hell would Johesu want to earn as as much as doctors? Inequality is everywhere and life itself is not fair, medicine was there before your read whatever to be part of Johesu. Even within Johesu, the Nurses are the least paid, pharmacist earn better than the others in the rogue group, why not equalize salaries for between themselves before crying foul to doctor's salaries? In fact, the duration of training is not only the reason why a doctor should earn higher than other health workers but the difficulty in training and acquiring skills to become a doctor way surpass the duration spent in school. Medical exams and Johesu exams no me same thing. To those who do not know history, I don't have time to explain why a doctor should head the laboratory, radiology and other selected departments, some may be too dumb to get it, hence more confusion. If it's doctors that are striking now people will be shouting that they love money too much. I just pity Nursing that went and join Johesu instead of fighting their course separately, in the end, they'll still end up last, while they should be in the fore to be close to doctors as per earnings. Lab people would benefit the most. Argue with me make thunder fire you. Proudly a Nurse, proudly a DOCTOR.

You are spewing nonsense. if your judgement has not been cloud with sentiment ni, u shud have known that they are not asking for equal pay, but if a party salary was adjusted it's normal for other party salary to b adjusted.

on other rubbish u are saying that medicine is difficult than other health course, have u been to those department?
Anyway, let's see how it unfold, but be sure of this, NMA anarchy in health system is over. if u are not comfortable with that, u can resign or travel out. Ntor!

Dokitadotun:
Hahaaa! Pls let us argue with facts, an house officer enters at CONMESS1 which is equivalent of CONHESS9. It is resident doctors that get skipped at conmess 2 to conmess3 becos other health workers(Johesu) also skipped level.

How can they skip and still be asking government to implement the skipping. They (Johesu) won the skipping case in court which nma objected to when it all started but it's nma members who are enjoying the skipping case johesu won. They hurriedly used the ministry of health (doctors) to quickly implement for her members. Isn't that robbing Peter to pay Paul?

sutelk:
When I saw the bolded comments I had to look at your profile, and I must say I agree with you. Your brain is indeed very active at night when everyone is asleep. Maybe you thought this was sexuality section. Please shift to your "Ashewo beer parlor thread, you lack the ability to comprehend what people are saying here.
Bye bye, I got packing to do.

Lol.

As I said your entire brain power is infinitesimal compared to mine even when i am asleep. ( you couldn't even comprehend that statement ) I don't need to go to your profile to tell what kind of person you are.

You are weak minded and most likely a buffoon.

I comprehend what is being discussed here but since you cannot comprehend a simple statement how would you comprehend an entire article.

Go to where ever it is you are going to and ask them to raise your pay As I said before. You that will soon become a ghost not seen not heard from ever again.

Mental weakling.

aribisala0:
How do you work that one out?

Or does it make you feel better to say that?


There is no basis or evidence for that

Anybody who opens an argument with an insult is a buffoon in my books.

And to prove me right he couldn't even comprehend the statement.

Q.E.D

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Donraqh:
I sincerely read your mention with great dismay, but I think should leave you with one word.. "Opportunity" Think about that please and be more objective going forward, thank you.

Life is all about opportunities.

If you didn't have opportunity to
become a pilot, but ended up being
a driver, don't later go about requesting
to be paid pilot salaries.

Inequality will always be the
basis of society.

Thank you.

Donraqh:
And that is exactly the problem.... And I'll quote your mention,

"I have the feeling that one day common men on the street will start demanding for equal pay with their local government chairmen".

Why common men, you look down on fellow beings because maybe you have opportunity. That's a very bad illustration and until this psychology erased, the problem of man will outlast man himself. With this mentality the struggle to bridge/breach the gap between the rich and the poor will always be a futile one.

You are not better than anyone, humility is a virtue everyone must imbibe.

To put a record straight, I am not a health worker, I'm deeply concerned.

I pray you will not find yourself in a situation where you will perceive a breach of human right by your employer if you are an employee and cannot enforce your right.

And for the purpose on course, think deeply and objectively, thank you.

First off, a common man is a common man. It is never the fault of the king that nature chose to send him in as a king or a commoner. Do you ever think that society and it's hierarchy will ever change?
Do you think that as far as man exists, we will all wake up one day as equals? That will be a very dangerous fallacy and I urge you to purge your mind of such a deceitful thought. I believe everyone has some level of opportunities in life. How you choose to use them contributes in no small measure to how and where you eventually end up. Arguably, our president leader is accused of not having an O'level certificate. Since you have (I presume), why haven't you demanded for equal power of decision-making as a bonafide citizen of the country? Why don't you challenge him considering the fact that you're better 'equipped' education-wise?

Please, let Caesar take what belongs to Caesar. Leave trash for lawma

sogodihno:
You are spewing nonsense. if your judgement has not been cloud with sentiment ni, u shud have known that they are not asking for equal pay, but if a party salary was adjusted it's normal for other party salary to b adjusted.

on other rubbish u are saying that medicine is difficult than other health course, have u been to those department?
Anyway, let's see how it unfold, but be sure of this, NMA anarchy in health system is over. if u are not comfortable with that, u can resign or travel out. Ntor!

I hope your rogue association is also fighting for the technicians.

aribisala0:
Can you please enlighten us . I would like to learn something new today

The founders of all these paramedical fields were medical doctors.
Now on the issue of doctors still heading those fields,it is important,especially for the sake of the patient it remains so,cos its only the doctor that has an all round knowledge of all the fields in medical practice and can marry d different inputs for accuracy or near accuracy of d outcome.
For example,a doctor can request for a lab investigation.Now,when d result comes out,it might not tally with the clinical condition of the patient.This might just be a clerical error or error from the reagents,machines,etc used to conduct d test.
For example,a patient might have an accident or go for surgery and lose a lot of blood.The result of the test to check for the patients blood level after d surgery might come out with a higher level of blood compared to even d level b4 d patient went for surgery.
On d request form,d doctor has written out d reason he is requesting for d investigation.Now,d lab man might not correlate it with d patient's present condition and therefore sign and dish out d result like that.
If you rely on that,d patient might die in your presence.
It is only d doctor that has d training to be able to detect that,nooo,this result doesn't match d present condition of this patient.
I don't know how to explain this well for you,cos I just gave you a single scenario,using lab results as an example.

The JOHESU CONHESS scale is already noticeably higher than the conventional civil service scale. Only scale that probably compares in the civil service is the federal universities scale. A worker deserves his due, but we must get rid of the notion that govt pay will make us rich. And no fvcking way johesu is getting the same pay grade as doctors. That's just ludicrous.

sutelk:
If your brain was functioning as it should you would have looked at the demands of Johesu yourself to find out where they asked for same pay with doctors instead of falling for the propaganda of the minister of doctors.
Anyway, I won't need to fight any doctor where I'm going, over there there's mutual respect and the doctors over there are not so idle.
In my years of practice in this country I've come to the conclusion that the problem with doctors practicing here is laziness. While there colleagues in diaspora are engrossed in ground breaking research my people are busy fighting with admin officer on who is supposed to sign that memo, or the storekeeper on who controls inventory. I sorry for Nigeria. But thank God its no longer my business.

Ignorance!

HillsBlaze:
Johesu Is not asking for the same salary pay. OK now imagine where a house officer earns approximately 198k per month and then a nurse, pharmacist, radiographer or MLS who has spent 15 yrs under the employ of govt earning the same pay.
Now where is the justice in this. Sentiments has to be done away with, no one asked for same pay just that there should be fairness, equity and justice in the health system.

Or talk about MD's heading someone else's department like the MLS who have had like worst treatment meted out on them in this country.

when will health attendants that has spent 10years in services earn more than fresh nurse and pharmacists?

aribisala0:
What did he say and what are you saying? Where did anyone talk about changing conhes to conmes

Anybody can agitate for anything that is the dignity of labour and not being a slave.

Honestly what is the business of doctors with how drivers and cleaners go about their negotiation. Doctors should simple observe silently.

If a time comes when cleaners earn more than doctors then the doctors can go to cleaning school.

As far as I am concerned doctors should remain silent

envy and bad belle

the same way you should go to a medical school if you want to earn the same salary as doctors

Olaoladimeji:
JOHESU isn't looking for the same pay as doctors. What we want is an increment in salary as was done for doctors.
Since 2014 doctors salary as been increased twice and no adjustment on health workers salary.
You talk of relativity, does that mean doctors salary should be increased twice and nothing done for the others?
As it is now a doctor on housemanship fresh from University is earning more than a Chief Nursing Officer who had already put in 30 years of employment.
What sought of relativity is that?

but fresh nurses too are collecting more than health attendants of 30years experience now.

dokiOloye:
The founders of all these paramedical fields were medical doctors.
Now on the issue of doctors still heading those fields,it is important,especially for the sake of the patient it remains so,cos its only the doctor that has an all round knowledge of all the fields in medical practice and can marry d different inputs for accuracy or near accuracy of d outcome.
For example,a doctor can request for a lab investigation.Now,when d result comes out,it might not tally with the clinical condition of the patient.This might just be a clerical error or error from the reagents,machines,etc used to conduct d test.
For example,a patient might have an accident or go for surgery and lose a lot of blood.The result of the test to check for the patients blood level after d surgery might come out with a higher level of blood compared to even d level b4 d patient went for surgery.
On d request form,d doctor has written out d reason he is requesting for d investigation.Now,d lab man might not correlate it with d patient's present condition and therefore sign and dish out d result like that.
If you rely on that,d patient might die in your presence.
It is only d doctor that has d training to be able to detect that,nooo,this result doesn't match d present condition of this patient.
I don't know how to explain this well for you,cos I just gave you a single scenario,using lab results as an example.

you have just written thrash, this is 21st century not the era of dark room X-ray technicians and MED lab attendant who know only how add 2mls of reagent to sample and get result. You think the 5years + internship and NYSC spent learning anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, haematology, chemical pathology, medical microbiology and others is to only know how to Carry out test without understanding of patients clinical information?. Do you have an idea of what is quality control and quality mannagemt system for laboratory results?, a medical lab scientist that cannot tell when there is equipment or reagent error and when result doesn't tally with patients clinical query is not better than a market woman. Travel out and see physiotherapist heading orthopedic unit and training even Resident doctors, biomedical scientist given presentations to specialist and consultant on newer laboratory test and how they can help patients while you are here fighting to be head of catering, engineering and even cleaning units

adecz:
You want equal salary with doctors,
go & read medicine if you fit.

What a ridiculous demand.

Just like HND holders who want
parity with Degree holders.

Small time, NCE will also want parity
with degree.

Federal govt must not engage every strike
with dialogue, Koboko is better.

A very ridiculous and unreasonable analogy. So pharmacists can be likened to be HND holders in comparison to doctors or what a you driving at? They spent the same number of years in school and equally did internship as well. Try rationalise he justification for the bias relativity if you can.

Basic123:
envy and bad belle

the same way you should go to a medical school if you want to earn the same salary as doctors

And you know for a fact I did not go to medical school before you were born?

emperormossad:
See forget all these things you're yarning.
The ultimate thing is impact.
If you've got impact you're already steps ahead of those who don't. I'm sorry the truth hurts, all I see is jealousy from johesu. And jealousy is a nasty broth I must confess. Shed your heart of hatred for doctors and go back to work.

What impact have they made?
Doctors and other health workers were on a unified salary scale years back. All thanks to Dr. Olufunmilayo ransome kuti( minister of health) who sentimentally approved a separate salary scale for doctors. Tell me what impact Nigerian doctors make or have made. Is it the loads of misdiagnosis on their part of leaving their patients to die whilst taking to the street and protesting for hazard allowances among others?
All they know is too troop in mass to US via Uslme just for the sake of a bigger pay, I won't blame them though a everything in life boils down to money.

dokiOloye:
Who was the first lab scientist?
Who was the first pharmacist?
Who was d first physiotherapist?
I guess you know already.

Do you acceede to doctors heading these enumerated departments correspondingly, even though that's not the case?

aribisala0:
And you know for a fact I did not go to medical school before you were born?

Yes

Scholar212:
you have just written thrash, this is 21st century not the era of dark room X-ray technicians and MED lab attendant who know only how add 2mls of reagent to sample and get result. You think the 5years + internship and NYSC spent learning anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, haematology, chemical pathology, medical microbiology and others is to only know how to Carry out test without understanding of patients clinical information?. Do you have an idea of what is quality control and quality mannagemt system for laboratory results?, a medical lab scientist that cannot tell when there is equipment or reagent error and when result doesn't tally with patients clinical query is not better than a market woman. Travel out and see physiotherapist heading orthopedic unit and training even Resident doctors, biomedical scientist given presentations to specialist and consultant on newer laboratory test and how they can help patients while you are here fighting to be head of catering, engineering and even cleaning units

Obviously, you are a johesu member and arguing with you is like arguing with a Buhari supporter.
That said,I work in a teaching hospital and I know what I see on daily basis.
Adios amigo

Basic123:
when will health attendants that has spent 10years in services earn more than fresh nurse and pharmacists?

Kudos! If they can answer this sincerely, then we'll take them serious

Away from all the arguments, its like the government is implementing the no work no pay rule. Has any striking JOHESU member gotten alert for April?

You have spoken well. I hope we get cutting edge leaders that think in this direction

aribisala0:
The only reason we are having this conversation is because it is public sector. In the private sector market forces willl decide
PersonallyI do not think the government should be employing doctors and nurses and pharmacists etc. except at primary Health care level. Definitely not the FG that should concern itself with strategy and public health issues

there is a need to rethink our secondary and tertiary care model including how to fund it.

Asssmasher:
What impact have they made?
Doctors and other health workers were on a unified salary scale years back. All thanks to Dr. Olufunmilayo ransome kuti( minister of health) who sentimentally approved a separate salary scale for doctors. Tell me what impact Nigerian doctors make or have made. Is it the loads of misdiagnosis on their part of leaving their patients to die whilst taking to the street and protesting for hazard allowances among others?
All they know is too troop in mass to US via Uslme just for the sake of a bigger pay, I won't blame them though a everything in life boils down to money.

you've not made any sense except the usual blackmail JOHESU is notorious for!

Basic123:
you've not made any sense except the usual blackmail JOHESU is notorious for!

it's not my fault you're too dull to comprehend my post.

THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR IS A FALL OUT OF ENVY AGAINST THE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

NO WONDER THE SUPPORT STAFF WOULDN'T TELL PATIENT'S THEY ARE NOT DOCTOR'S, BUT CONTINUE MASQUERADING AS ONE WHEN THE PATIENT'S IGNORANTLY CALLS THEM.

YOU CANNOT GAIN THE BENEFITS OF A DOCTOR AS A SUPPORT STAFF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THE UNIVERSITY DOORS IS STILL WIDE OPEN.

OUR MEDICAL PRACTICE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE BORROWED IT.
LET'S COPY FROM THE BEST.

You get time to dey break am down lol!

CarrilT:
THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR IS A FALL OUT OF ENVY AGAINST THE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

NO WONDER THE SUPPORT STAFF WOULDN'T TELL PATIENT'S THEY ARE NOT DOCTOR'S, BUT CONTINUE MASQUERADING AS ONE WHEN THE PATIENT'S IGNORANTLY CALLS THEM.

YOU CANNOT GAIN THE BENEFITS OF A DOCTOR AS A SUPPORT STAFF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THE UNIVERSITY DOORS IS STILL WIDE OPEN.

OUR MEDICAL PRACTICE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE BORROWED IT.
LET'S COPY FROM THE BEST.

Dokitadotun:
Hahaaa! Pls let us argue with facts, an house officer enters at CONMESS1 which is equivalent of CONHESS9. It is resident doctors that get skipped at conmess 2 to conmess3 becos other health workers(Johesu) also skipped level.

how much does a house officer and registrar now in federal setting

CarrilT:
THE PATIENT COMES TO THE HOSPITAL TO SEE THE DOCTOR.

There are three group of people in the Hospital worldwide;

1. Doctor
2. Patients
3. Hospital support staff.

-A patient comes to a medical emergency unit rushed by his relatives.
-The DOCTOR sends for his file/folder to be retrieved by the MEDICAL RECORDS STAFF.
-The DOCTOR takes history from PATIENT and examines the PATIENT.
-The DOCTOR makes a diagnosis (or set of diagnosis-differential diagnosis).
-The DOCTOR asks the PHARMACIST to supply the drugs for the particular disease.
-The DOCTOR asks the NURSE to administer the drugs.
-The DOCTOR asks the PATIENT to go to Radiology department to do an X-RAY/CT-SCAN.
-The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) asks the RADIOGRAPHER to do the X-ray. The DOCTOR in the Radiology department (RADIOLOGIST) interprets the X-ray and writes a report to be taken to the DOCTOR in the Emergency.
-The DOCTOR in the Emergency unit uses the X-ray report to further treat the patient.
-The DOCTOR sends the PATIENT to the laboratory to do some tests.
-The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) asks the LABORATORY SCIENTIST or LABORATORY TECHNICIAN to do the test or do the test himself if necessary.
The DOCTOR in the laboratory (PATHOLOGIST) interprets the report and sends the patient back to the doctor in the emergency.
-The DOCTOR evaluates the patient and asks for more drugs from the PHARMACY for the NURSE to administer.
-The DOCTOR admits the patient to the ward if patient is not good to go or discharges the patient if he is good.
-THE DOCTOR in the ward keeps on seeing the patient and evaluating his needs. THE DOCTOR calls for the assistance of the NURSE, PHARMACIST, LABORATORY SCIENTIST/TECHNICIAN, RADIOGRAPHER when the need arises.
But there is always a need for the DOCTOR to be in CONTACT with the progress of the patient.
-THE DOCTOR DISCHARGES the PATIENT home or CERTIFIES him dead as the case may be.

IT BEGINS WITH THE DOCTOR and PATIENT from admission and ends with DOCTOR and PATIENT on discharge from the hospital.

1. DOCTORS WORLDWIDE are LEADERS of the health sector in the best of centers.
-Google LIST OF BEST HOSPITALS IN THE WORLD.
A list of many hospital according to ranking would come up.
-Take the first 5, or 10, or 20 hospitals ONE BY ONE.
-For each hospital Google it's leadership.
-All would show you that the doctor is the head.
The CEO/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER of all the hospitals have MD or MBBS as their basic qualification. (Most of these doctors have no any other non-medical qualification).

PLEASE GOOGLE FOR YOURSELF
-THE BEST HOSPITALS in the world.
-Then LEADERSHIP OF EACH HOSPITAL.

2.)DOCTORS ARE PAID FAR BETTER THAN OTHER SUPPORT STAFF WORLDWIDE.
This pay gets far different when the DOCTOR is a SPECIALIST: CONSULTANT (UK/INDIA) or an ATTENDING PHYSICIAN (USA).

Google the best hospitals in the world and the salary of the workers.

Google for yourself.
Do not be fed with lies.

3.) CAREER PROGRESSION for DOCTORS.
Doctors have two pathways for progression in Nigeria:
i. NORMAL CIVIL SERVICE where you are promoted to the next grade after every 3years.
ii. POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, where you enroll into residency and is only promoted after rigorous academic and practical training and passing of professional examinations.
After NYSC the doctor pays heavily to write an exam called primaries. After the primaries he/she undergo extensive training as a REGISTRAR and after 3-5years write the PART 1 exams to become a SENIOR REGISTRAR. After another 3-5years he writes another exam to become a FELLOW/CONSULTANT. Each of PART 1 and 2 exams advance the doctor only one grade level (e.g Part 1 exam after 3-5 years moves a DOCTOR from grade 12 to 13. Part 2 after another 3-5moves a doctor from grade 13-14).
The pass rate of these exams generally is between 10-30%.
Its difficult to progress through the postgraduate pathway. You may spend more than 6years without promotion.

GOOGLE THE TRUTH.

THE DRAMA PLAYING IN THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR IS A FALL OUT OF ENVY AGAINST THE MEDICAL DOCTOR.

NO WONDER THE SUPPORT STAFF WOULDN'T TELL PATIENT'S THEY ARE NOT DOCTOR'S, BUT CONTINUE MASQUERADING AS ONE WHEN THE PATIENT'S IGNORANTLY CALLS THEM.

YOU CANNOT GAIN THE BENEFITS OF A DOCTOR AS A SUPPORT STAFF THROUGH THE BACK DOOR. THE UNIVERSITY DOORS IS STILL WIDE OPEN.

OUR MEDICAL PRACTICE CANNOT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE BORROWED IT.
LET'S COPY FROM THE BEST.

It is clear from this that
You are young
You lack exposure

There are hundreds of NHS hospitals in the UK maybe one or two has a doctor as CEO in fact a doctor is almost never the CEO of NHS trusts

The training for MBBS does not prepare anyone to be CEO any more than pilot training qualifies a pilot to head an airline

A CEO is a person who understands and is traned in Management not technical training like a doctor

Your claim that doctors are the CEO of top hospitals in the world is wishful thnking. Provide evidence

Your English is embarrassing

what is "No any other"??

Haba!!

Most NHS encounter in the UK do not involve doctos but other clinicians.

Doctors are not the only clinicians and most people going to hospital do not need to see a doctor

Your assertions may sound good in Nigeria but the world has moved on ,a long time ago

aribisala0:
It is clear from this that
You are young
You lack exposure

There are hundreds of NHS hospitals in the UK maybe one or two has a doctor as CEO in fact a doctor is almost never the CEO of NHS trusts

The training for MBBS does not prepare anyone to be CEO any more than pilot training qualifies a pilot to head an airline

A CEO is a person who understands and is traned in Management not technical training like a doctor

Your claim that doctors are the CEO of top hospitals in the world is wishful thnking. Provide evidence

Your English is embarrassing

what is "No any other"??

Haba!!

Most NHS encounter in the UK do not involve doctos but other clinicians.

Doctors are not the only clinicians and most people going to hospital do not need to see a doctor

Your assertions may sound good in Nigeria but the world has moved on ,a long time ago

Can't you johesu guys just write without insult? Debate maturely...... I posted an article above without insulting anybody....u started your own write up with insults.... If person call u..........something now. Una go dey bark. Please respect yourself