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This folly of wasting billion dollar starting a town in middle of nowhere - where only federal employees call it home. Nairobi is economic magnet - and if it's choking - we will fix it - not ran to a desert somewhere in Northern Kenya - and spend so much money - building a new city - that is described as one worst cities to live or visit .

1/4 of money use to build that waste land of Abuja would have fixed Lagos problems. Now you got an empty town without a soul for gov officials - who visit there once in a while when they are going for federal cheques

jaycent:
So you want Abuja to choke up just like your dirty poo forest Nairobi right!!

obaaderemi:
I have told you before that these Little Indians only see things in black and white. It can never be clear to them that those who migrate do so not because they are dirt poor but because they are mostly malcontents. Take for example, a Nigerian who could raise 500,000 naira to travel to Libya. Meanwhile that amount is over a $1000 and could start a small business in Nigeria. Dirt poor people can't raise that amount.

Thank you.

The problem with many southern Nigerians is greed. Take that 500,000 naira for instance. If that money was in the hands of a typical middlebelter, he would use that money to go into agriculture and with the proceeds, he would be able to afford a decent life considering the cheaper cost of living in the north.

Can't you see how rapidly we middlebelters are coming out of poverty compared to the core-north? Without emigration and other dangerous activities embarked on by southernerns, yet our poverty rates still reduce.

The problem with the core-north is just their culture, otherwise their own poverty rates would also reduce like ours.

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rvp20182:
People emigrate everyday - there are thousands of kenya emigrating to Europe or Asia or Middle east every single day - but it takes some serious form of desperation to make a dangerous journey through Libya & finally through the middle east in rickety boat - it's a such serious desperation - only war torn countries citizen like Syria, Yemen, Somali & such countries make that dangerous journey - and then add the only PEACEFUL COUNTRY NIGERIA where it's citizen are making suicidal trip to Europe.

Again like we have seen in many indices - Nigeria despite it's peace - is as bad as Yemen or Chad or South Sudan or Eritrea or Somali or name any BOTTOM 10-20 countries in the world...and NIGERIA will appear in nearly every index in that BOTTOM...and it no wonder that like Eritreans -or Ethiopeans or Yemenis - Nigeria are making dangerous suicidal trip through sahara desert in desperate bid to end up as european refugees!

This is supposedly a giant of Africa with 500B dollar economy and yet people cannot use legal channels to immigrate!

Ghanaians are making the same dangerous trips across the desert and ocean. Meanwhile Ghana is a relatively peaceful African country which is richer than Kenya. That proves poverty is not the main cause of these crazy trips. But then a Little Indian like you would never grasp that.

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rvp20182:
That is most whack theory I ever heard. Northern Nigeria are basically mostly illiterate muslim cattle herders - who probably have not yet heard of Europe - perhaps Mecca in Saudi Arabia is where they are emigrating. South Nigerians are emigrating because Nigeria is a shit-hole and they know it. Northern Nigeria after many decade of boko-haram don't know anything except koran and cattle herding.

Can't you see how wrong you are?

The middlebelt part and north-eastern part of northern Nigeria has a huge christian population.

At least 30% of Northern Nigerians are christians. Another 20% of Northern Nigerians are very liberal and educated muslims. That makes about 50% of the population and about 50 million people.
These 50 million predominantly educated northernerns have literacy rates close to that of the south, of which I am one of them, yet we still do not migrate out of Nigeria through the deserts.

The middlebelt part of northern Nigeria with over 30 million people is predominantly literate, yet we still do not migrate out of Nigeria.

There are many cities and infrastructures in northern Nigeria, so your point holds no water but only reeks of stupidity.

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Nowenuse:
Exactly.
And I can bet you that these concentration camp houses are the kind of houses the majority of Kenyans on this thread live, from TayserMahiri to kikuyu, NairobiWalker, mtis, jonraid, Jay254, rvp20182, sHOTdownHawk etc.

It's pathetic. This is why Nairobi can never compare Abuja or even Lagos.
Decent housing is a luxury in Kenyan cities available to only the rich and foreigners.
I have clearly proven that over and over again here.

Now imagine if 60% of Nairobians live in slums and another 30% live in concentration camp houses. Only a very small percent of their population have access to decent housing.
This is why I pity anyone who takes these people serious.

You are right about the bolded.

Ghanian - I saw that - must have been some outlier - or some Nigerians pretending to be Ghanians.

obaaderemi:
Ghanaians are making the same dangerous trips across the desert and ocean. Meanwhile Ghana is a relatively peaceful African country which is richer than Kenya. That proves poverty is not the main cause of these crazy trips. But then a Little Indian like you would never grasp that.

Unfortunately for you nobody really bother to dig out where these desperate Nigerians emanate from - north north or south south those Nigeria terms really tickle me every time I hear. Now you're going to tell you're come from middle of middle of middle belt - which also happen to be in middle of northern - which also is Nigeria north?

Nowenuse:
Can't you see how wrong you are?

The middlebelt part and north-eastern part of northern Nigeria has a huge christian population.

At least 30% of Northern Nigerians are christians. Another 20% of Northern Nigerians are very liberal and educated muslims. That makes about 50% of the population and about 50 million people.
These 50 million predominantly educated northernerns have literacy rates close to that of the south, of which I am one of them, yet we still do not migrate out of Nigeria through the deserts.

The middlebelt part of northern Nigeria with over 30 million people is predominantly literate, yet we still do not migrate out of Nigeria.

There are many cities and infrastructures in northern Nigeria, so your point holds no water but only reeks of stupidity.

Nowenuse:
Thank you.

The problem with many southern Nigerians is greed. Take that 500,000 naira for instance. If that money was in the hands of a typical middlebelter, he would use that money to go into agriculture and with the proceeds, he would be able to afford a decent life considering the cheaper cost of living in the north.

Can't you see how rapidly we middlebelters are coming out of poverty compared to the core-north? Without emigration and other dangerous activities embarked on by southernerns, yet our poverty rates still reduce.

The problem with the core-north is just their culture, otherwise their own poverty rates would also reduce like ours.

I have been to the core north and I know they can pull themselves out of poverty when they are ready. They've got this massive agricultural potential that if hinged to agro-allied industries can really help them. And like you rightly pointed out they need to do something about the kind of culture which limits them and pulls down the rest of Nigeria statistically. They need to embrace modernity.

rvp20182:
Ghanian - I saw that - must have been some outlier - or some Nigerians pretending to be Ghanians.

Some Nigerians pretending to be Ghanaians. When ghanaians acknowledge the danger .This your excuse has really exposed your emptiness.

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Nowenuse:
One thing you people do not understand is that migration has a lot to do with the culture of contentment.

Look at the Latin Americans, they have better economic and livelihood standards than most African countries, yet they are still ready to die to cross over to the USA by any means possible.

Migration is not based on poverty alone, if it was, then Northern Nigerians would have been leaving Nigeria more than the Southerners, but as it currently stands, 90% of the people who leave Nigeria through the desert & sea are Southern Nigerians.

This is simply because the northerners tend to have a culture of contentment. While Southern Nigerians have this mentality of get rich or die trying.

So it is not just based on poverty alone.

Kenyans may be damn poor, but if they have a strong culture of contentment, they still wouldn't want to take the risks of illegal migration.

Southern Nigerians have to take 2 days journeys before they get to the extreme north of Nigeria and cross over into Niger republic, while Northern Nigerians who are few hours away from Niger republic still do not cross over to take that risky journey.. What does that tell you guys?

The Emir of Kano, Alhaji Muhammadu Sanusi II, has attributed the excessive quest by Nigerian youths to engage in illegal migration to poverty and unemployment.

The Emir made the remark on Thursday in Kano when the President and members of Pan African Institute for Global Affairs and Strategy (PAIGAS) paid him a courtesy visit.

Nigeria’s mean household income per capita is $1168, as compared to India’s $1759. However, this wouldn’t be an accurate measure of the welfare of the average Nigerian. What would be accurate to measure the economic growth as compared to its growing population will be the wealth distribution. More wealth is concentrated with the elites, despite the country’s oil wealth, than among the people. Those who have access to this oil wealth through politics have been the major recipients of the wealth. The high rate of unemployment, endemic corruption, the lack of basic social amenities for millions of people, the difficulty in doing business and the millions living in poverty are all consequences of the huge inequality in Nigeria.

Even if Nigeria got trillion GDP it would a make difference because the poor over 60% will still remain poor

Generators - alone - drives many out & nuts. I have heard Nigerian in Nairobi speak - and one of biggest reason they emigrate is to enjoy 24-7 electricity

mtis:
Nigeria’s mean household income per capita is $1168, as compared to India’s $1759. However, this wouldn’t be an accurate measure of the welfare of the average Nigerian. What would be accurate to measure the economic growth as compared to its growing population will be the wealth distribution. More wealth is concentrated with the elites, despite the country’s oil wealth, than among the people. Those who have access to this oil wealth through politics have been the major recipients of the wealth. The high rate of unemployment, endemic corruption, the lack of basic social amenities for millions of people, the difficulty in doing business and the millions living in poverty are all consequences of the huge inequality in Nigeria.

First Lagos is dumb. Second Abuja looks like a city one can live. Third why is it labeled (Abuja) as one of the shiitiest cities in the world ?

rvp20182:
Generators - alone - drives many out & nuts. I have heard Nigerian in Nairobi speak - and one of biggest reason they emigrate is to enjoy 24-7 electricity

So true..An also internet access..Nowe an Oba guy uses bundles you now

rvp20182:
Talking of manufacturing...here are some kenyan home grown stars - which explain why outside Egypt & South Africa - Kenya is an industrial giant.
1) BIDCO - one of Africa's leading manufacture of FMCG - beating the likes of Uniliver in East Africa - and now expanding to West & South Africa - with revenue set to hit 1B dollars.
https://www.cofek.co.ke/images/2015/Bidco.jpg
2) SAFAL - Africa largest steel roofing manufacturer -with revenues exceeding 2B dollars -with 20 Operations all over Africa and Provides Metal Roofing and Allied Building Solutions - chances are most of roofs you'll see in sub-saharan africa was rolled by Chandaria owned company.

3) Brookside - Africa largest milk processor - revenue now exceed 500M dollars - processing 1.5million liters of milk daily. 40% of it acquired by the French congolomerate -Danone - and still growing at crazy rates.

4) EABL - East Africa largest brewer - revenues approaching 1B dollars.

5) KTDA - Africa largest Tea Processor - with more than 70 tea factories - processing tea worth 1.5B dollars. Together with Uniliver Tea(LIPTON TEA) & James Finlay - make kenya word leading processor of black tea.

And still the likes of Unliver & Proctor & Gamble - makes tonnes of money in Kenya - Kenya account for 40% of East & Southern Africa (I guess outside RSA) uniliver revenues.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/Unilever-firms-grip-on-consumer-goods-market/539550-916522-vfv3pr/index.html

HAHAHAH I now see why the likes of obaaderemi calls KENYANS little Indians , why on earth would u guys celebrate what Indians and white built ?, the only"Black Kenyan " i see on the list is the corrupt KENYA President ,
Plus, Brookside is not the largest in Africa rather in East Africa.
"Brookside Dairy, established in 1993, is the largest milk processing company in East Africa, controlling about 45% of the market, having expanded both organically and via acquisitions. Currently the company has processing plants in both Kenya and Uganda. Products include fresh and powdered milk, yogurt and butter with distribution in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania." Brookside website

1. Safal Group - Indian
2. BIDCO - Indian
3. EABL - owned by British Diageo plc (50.0%) and 45% foreign companies owned

rvp20182:
Generators - alone - drives many out & nuts. I have heard Nigerian in Nairobi speak - and one of biggest reason they emigrate is to enjoy 24-7 electricity

Ghana, Niger, Senegal, Ivory coast, Benin republic..... all have constant electricity, some states in Nigeria enjoy constant electricity as well. so WTF r u saying ?

68816419:
HAHAHAH I now see why the likes of obaaderemi calls KENYANS little Indians , why on earth would u guys celebrate what Indians and white built ?, the only"Black Kenyan " i see on the list is the corrupt KENYA President ,
Plus, Brookside is not the largest in Africa rather in East Africa.
"Brookside Dairy, established in 1993, is the largest milk processing company in East Africa, controlling about 45% of the market, having expanded both organically and via acquisitions. Currently the company has processing plants in both Kenya and Uganda. Products include fresh and powdered milk, yogurt and butter with distribution in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania." Brookside website

1. Safal Group - Kenyan of Indian origin
2. BIDCO - Kenyan of Indian origin
3. EABL - owned by British Diageo plc (50.0%) and 45% foreign companies owned

They r not indian citizens so corrected it

68816419:
HAHAHAH I now see why the likes of obaaderemi calls KENYANS little Indians , why on earth would u guys celebrate what Indians and white built ?, the only"Black Kenyan " i see on the list is the corrupt KENYA President ,
Plus, Brookside is not the largest in Africa rather in East Africa.
"Brookside Dairy, established in 1993, is the largest milk processing company in East Africa, controlling about 45% of the market, having expanded both organically and via acquisitions. Currently the company has processing plants in both Kenya and Uganda. Products include fresh and powdered milk, yogurt and butter with distribution in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania." Brookside website

1. Safal Group - Indian
2. BIDCO - Indian
3. EABL - owned by British Diageo plc (50.0%) and 45% foreign companies owned

This is pathetic, only major black owned business belonging to the president No wonder the little Indians do nothing but pour out their frustration day and night on Nairaland. They truly deserve to be called little lndians.

Big discovery - those are kenyan indians - 3rd generation if you want to be specific - and that is beside the point - unless you're obsessed with race & tribe - those are kenyan built companies - ran by kenyans and employing kenyans - and they are just the tip of the iceberg. Nigerians you cleary don't manufacture anything.

Obviously there are tonnes of black Kenyan owned industries

For example: EABL main competitor is Keroche Breweries own by a Kenyan woman - Tabitha Karanja
https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/projects/404/d1fe4841713427.Y3JvcCwyMDA0LDE1NjksMCw1MjQ.jpg
https://3dwnh01icn0h133s00sokwo1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tabitha-karanja.jpg

68816419:
HAHAHAH I now see why the likes of obaaderemi calls KENYANS little Indians , why on earth would u guys celebrate what Indians and white built ?, the only"Black Kenyan " i see on the list is the corrupt KENYA President ,
Plus, Brookside is not the largest in Africa rather in East Africa.
"Brookside Dairy, established in 1993, is the largest milk processing company in East Africa, controlling about 45% of the market, having expanded both organically and via acquisitions. Currently the company has processing plants in both Kenya and Uganda. Products include fresh and powdered milk, yogurt and butter with distribution in Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania." Brookside website

1. Safal Group - Indian
2. BIDCO - Indian
3. EABL - owned by British Diageo plc (50.0%) and 45% foreign companies owned

rvp20182:
Big discovery - those are kenyan indians - 3rd generation if you want to be specific - and that is beside the point - unless you're obsessed with race & tribe - those are kenyan built companies - ran by kenyans and employing kenyans - and they are just the tip of the iceberg. Nigerians you cleary don't manufacture anything.

Why is it only the Kenyan lndians running things? where are the original Kenyans?

Daejoyoung:
This is pathetic, only major black owned business belonging to the president No wonder the little Indians do nothing but pour out their frustration day and night on Nairaland. They truly deserve to be called little lndians.

HAHAHA I beg take it easy on them, may be this may awaken them and push them to be self reliant like Nigerians. i really dont have any issue with the country "Kenya " and it multiculturalism but my issues goes to Kenyans, they hardly see what is going on , and it really pains me so much.

There is no original kenyan - maybe the khoisan brothers we call them Okiek/dorobo - otherwise Bantus we have - emigrated to Kenya around the same time as Arabs - 8th -10th Century - from Cameroon-Congo. Are they original. Some nilotes like Luos came as late as 15th century. Are they original.

There are many black owned industries - and companies of course. What I highlighted are the the big boys ---

Let me give you some example of black owned industries

Example no 2: InterConsumer.

InterConsumer - East Africa leading beauty product company (before it was acquired by French Lo' real) - owned by Kinuthia - now he manufacture diapers & the likes.
https://biznakenya.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/maxresdefault-3.jpg

Now he mainly makes diapers - for Nigerian babies like you.
https://directory.bizna.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/bouncy.png

Owner:Paul Kinuthia
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/tuesday/Paul-Kinuthia_21052013.jpg

Daejoyoung:
Why is it only the Kenyan lndians running things? where are the original Kenyans?