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| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by LaudableXX: 11:13pm On Jun 18, 2018*. Modified: 11:29pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
bobosydney:Please recall that the interim Liberian govt had even indicted Charles Taylor, before his arrest was carried out. This implies that his home govt had waived any immunity given to him. In addition a special court in Sierra Leone had issued a warrant for his arrest and sent it to Interpol. At the time Taylor was arrested, was he still the substantive head of state, or was he still holding a diplomatic passport? NO. He had fled to Nigeria after leaving power in Liberia, and a request for his extradition was served on the Nigerian authorities. On June 4, 2003, the Special Court for Sierra Leone (SCSL) issued an arrest warrant against Charles Taylor, the incumbent President of Liberia. When the warrant was issued, Mr. Taylor was traveling to Ghana for talks with Liberian rebel groups to end a four-year civil war that has destabilized West Africa.Obasanjo was President of Nigeria at that time, and a lot of diplomatic pressure was brought to bear upon him, to allow Taylor to be extradited and allowed to stand trial for his crimes. Don't forget that it was OBJ who offered Taylor a chance to live in exile, in Nigeria. The U.S. brought Joint Task Force Liberia's Amphibious Ready Group of three warships with 2,300 Marines into view of the coast. Taylor flew to Nigeria, where the Nigerian government provided houses for him and his entourage in Calabar. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by CaptainFM1: 11:23pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
People that carry diplomatic passport may still carry ordinary national passport. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by bobosydney: 11:38pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
LaudableXX:Laudable, you are right and you have knowledge of law. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by Cyynthialove(f): 11:39pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
resurgent2019:Bf nko. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by LaudableXX: 11:44pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
bobosydney: ![]() |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by GavelSlam: 11:44pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
resurgent2019: I don't do religion sorry. And yes, I love Buhari. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by resurgent2019: 11:54pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
GavelSlam:You don’t do religion? But you must belong to one religion or the other na. I am just asking, I mean no harm Bro.. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by GavelSlam: 11:59pm On Jun 18, 2018 |
resurgent2019: I was born into a Christian home. Right now I don't worship anything. All religions in my opinion are man-made. I do respect everyone's viewpoint. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by resurgent2019: 12:09am On Jun 19, 2018 |
GavelSlam:though your antecedents give me cause to doubt you, I will take your word for it. Good night. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by GavelSlam: 12:13am On Jun 19, 2018 |
resurgent2019:What antecedents? |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by resurgent2019: 12:20am On Jun 19, 2018 |
GavelSlam:Fanatical support for Buhari. Only a radical muslim can support Buhari that much. Fact! |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by GavelSlam: 12:25am On Jun 19, 2018 |
resurgent2019:It cannot be a fact when I am not a Muslim? Never have, never would be. Do you know of any muslim that denies his faith? You guys should elevate your minds beyond sheer bigotry. What is religion or tribe? |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by BabaRamota1980: 12:25am On Jun 19, 2018 |
CilicMarin:Very good question. America can revoke even citizenship, not to talk of one yeye diplomatic visa. All entry docunents into America are issued in good faith. They are not obligated to honor the visa if the good faith is broken, which is what Atiku case is. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by LaudableXX: 12:36am On Jun 19, 2018*. Modified: 2:03am On Jun 19, 2018 |
DonPiiko:Still on Omar Al Bashir of Sudan, the world of international politics and diplomacy is far more complex than we think, or know. Despite the fact that there is a warrant of arrest out on Bashir who is a serving President of Sudan, several countries have declined to arrest him, even when he visited their nations. South Africa came under criticism from the International Criminal Court (ICC) for failing to arrest Bashir in 2015, when he arrived there, for the African Union (AU) Summit. Instead he was welcomed by South African officials on his arrival in Johannesburg. What was their defence? "Bashir was immune from arrest as a head of state leading his country’s delegation to the meeting." Their defence was based on international law. Even though it has been said that under the Nuremberg Charter, the genocide convention and the I.C.C. statute, there is no immunity for heads of state who face charges before international tribunals, it appears that there is clearly a conflict of international laws, in this regard. The processes and mechanisms for enforcing such rules are also severely inadequate. Under Articles 29 and 31 of the UN Convention on Special Missions 1969, the person of any official abroad on a special mission on behalf of his or her state is inviolable, with the result that he or she may not be arrested or detained. For example, in describing the rule according immunity ratione personae in the Arrest Warrant case, the ICJ stated it applies to ‘diplomatic and consular agents [and] certain holders of high-ranking office in a State, such as the Head of State, Head of Government and Minister for Foreign Affairs’ https://academic.oup.com/ejil/article/21/4/815/418198However, another problem is that, a number of countries including the US, are not signatories to the ICC, and the UN Security Council has not authorized the use of force to arrest Bashir. In 1998, 120 countries voted to establish the permanent International Criminal Court to prosecute war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. Till date, the United States has not signed on, despite the fact that the United States is also a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council. ![]() Who will arrest Mr. Bashir? While he is in power, Sudanese forces certainly will not arrest him, and the Security Council did not authorize the use of force to execute the arrest warrant. The only remaining option is to arrest him when he is visiting foreign countries.Another point is the International Court of Justice (ICJ) has clearly stated, that there is ‘no more fundamental prerequisite for the conduct of relations between States, than the inviolability of diplomatic envoys and embassies.' It considers diplomatic immunity accorded to diplomats, embassies, foreign heads of state, to be sacrosanct. And just like South Africa failed to detain the Sudanese President, even India declined to arrest Bashir when he visited their country in December 2015. ![]() The Indian government has clarified that Sudan’s President Omar al-Bashir attended the India-Africa summit in late October, despite the International Criminal Court (ICC) calling for his arrest. India is not party to the Rome Statute that created the ICC, which is an independent international court, and New Delhi didn't oblige it by arresting al-Bashir who is President of Sudan and even the diplomatic protections extends to Head of State. https://www.quora.com/Why-is-India-refusing-to-arrest-Sudan-president-Omar-al-Bashir-when-he-arrives-in-New-Delhi Sudan’s president has made 74 trips across the world in the seven years he’s been wanted for war crimes | QUARTZ Africa | |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by linearity: 3:19am On Jun 19, 2018 |
LaudableXX:Not only America that do it. Each country likes to stretch the limits of the Geneva Convention about the immunity granted to diplomats. In 2011 Pakistan arrested and detained an American diplomat, who shot and killed two Pakistanis and when US refused to waive their diplomatic immunity, Pakistan forged ahead and charged the diplomat to court, but he was later acquitted of the crime and released after US settled the families. Recently another America diplomat, a military attachee hit and killed a Pakistani, he ran and took cover in the US embassy, despite the fact that the Pakistani government have reached a conclusion that, he cannot be charged due to his diplomatic immunity, they have non the less, put his name in their no-fly list at all airports and airlines in bid to prevent him from leaving the country, meaning they want to detain him in the country. Had he not be wise and ran straight to the US embassy right away, my guess is, had the Pakistani authorities got hold of him first, he will be kooling his feet’s in jail while Pakistan & US tussle...my belt is, US will smuggle him from the embassy out of the country through Afghanistan. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by LaudableXX: 3:37am On Jun 19, 2018*. Modified: 4:21am On Jun 19, 2018 |
linearity:Well, the American diplomat who was charged to court by Pakistan, appears to be a rather strange case. For America to have watched silently, while their diplomat was made to stand trial in a local Pakistani court shows that there is something wrong somewhere, or the man was not really a diplomat in the strict sense of the word. ![]() Sometimes, a few state officials may represent a country abroad, but the diplomatic immunity they are given is limited, or restricted to a particular length of time (i.e.maybe for the duration of a conference or a special mission). After that event is over, the immunity lapses or it is waived, and then they may be subject to the territorial laws of the receiving/foreign country. I do not have the facts on the particular case you cited, but it does appear that the immunity that diplomat had may have quietly been waived by America, or he may not have been a diplomat in the strict sense of the word (with respect to the kind of official duties he was performing). America is one country that goes out of its way to protect its' citizens, not to talk of its diplomats. It is unlikely to fold its arms while Pakistan arraigns its diplomat before their local courts. ![]() Germany for example declined to arrest the Chief of Protocol to the President of Rwanda (Rose Kabuye) when she was on an official visit to the country in April 2008, acknowledging that she had diplomatic immunity as she was part of the Rwandan President's entourage, although she was subject to a French-issued arrest warrant on terrorism charges. She was regarded as an ad hoc envoy. However, Germany did arrest her on a subsequent visit in November of that same year, arguing that she was in Germany on a private visit, when her immunity was no longer in place. Kabuye was not a diplomat, in the strict sense of the word. The protection she had on her previous visit, was a functional immunity (i.e. ‘immunity ratione materiae’).Now, this brings us back to the American diplomat arrested in Pakistan. What kind of immunity did he have? Was it the type known as ‘immunity ratione personae’? Or was it the limited type called ‘immunity ratione materiae’)?International law confers on certain state officials immunities that attach to the office or status of the official. These immunities, which are conferred only as long as the official remains in office, are usually described as ‘personal immunity’ or ‘immunity ratione personae’. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by AntiWailer: 5:21am On Jun 19, 2018*. Modified: 10:32am On Jun 19, 2018 |
lovat:Buhari was never barred from USA. When Atiku lied, Federal Govt responded. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by AreaFada2: 5:42am On Jun 19, 2018*. Modified: 9:41am On Jun 19, 2018 |
adisabarber:Under 9ja system, ex-VPs are among those entitled to medical care abroad. So Buhari govt just provided the funds as mandated by law for Ekwueme to secure his visa. Diplomatic passport holders need a visa. Only some countries exempt such passports from visa for short stays. But it depends on bilateral agreement. Currently hardly any Western country would exempt 9ja diplomatic passports from the usual stringent visa requirements. Too many 9ja diplomatic passports are in circulation anyway. Some ex officials never return theirs as at when due, unless cancelled. Highly connected can retain theirs long after leaving office. Anything goes in 9ja. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by rose54321: 8:03am On Jun 19, 2018 |
Even with a diplomatic passport, you still need to apply for visa. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by rose54321: 8:09am On Jun 19, 2018 |
Malawian:Please say only things you're certain about so you don't misinformation the lay man. Even with a diplomatic passport you still need to apply for visa to enter most countries. When you apply you can still be denied by the host country. Diplomatic Passport isn't automatic entry. Having a diplomatic passport just has few perks like immunity when in the country, free or low visa application fee, fast visa processing, separate boarding area, etc. So you are wrong with your assertion above. |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by Malawian(m): 8:29am On Jun 19, 2018 |
rose54321:You have not said anything different from what I have said. I never talked about Visa,and the Crux of the matter here is whether or not a diplomatic passport holder can be arrested. okay? |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by tuniski: 9:19am On Jun 19, 2018 |
DonPiiko:Childish! Then let them issue him visa under any guise so as to have him arrested on arrival |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by adisabarber(m): 9:33am On Jun 19, 2018 |
AreaFada2:You are right |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by bebanky: 9:47am On Jun 19, 2018 |
DonPiiko:What is the big deal about jailing a serving Congress man? Has a serving senator not been jailed in Nigeria? |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by Nobody: 9:56am On Jun 19, 2018*. Modified: 11:03am On Jun 19, 2018 |
"Diplomats and other foreign government officials traveling to the United States to engage solely in official duties or activities on behalf of their national government must obtain A-1 or A-2 visas prior to entering the United States. They cannot travel using visitor visas or under the Visa Waiver Program. With the exception of a Head of State or Government -- who qualifies for an A visa regardless of the purpose of travel -- your position within your country’s government and your purpose of travel determine whether you need an A-1 or A-2 visa. Immediate family members of diplomats and government officials receive A-1 or A-2 visas, with few exceptions. Personal employees, attendants, or domestic workers for diplomats and government officials (holding a valid A-1 or A-2 visa) may be issued A-3 visas. To qualify for an A-1 or A-2 visa, you must be traveling to the United States on behalf of your national government to engage solely in official activities for that government. The specific duties or services that will be performed must be governmental in character or nature, as determined by the U.S. Department of State, in accordance with U.S. immigration laws. Government officials traveling to the United States to perform non-governmental functions of a commercial nature, or traveling as tourists, require the appropriate visas and do not qualify for A visas. The fact that there may be government interest or control in a given organization is not in itself the defining factor in determining if you qualify for an A visa." |
| Re: Do Nigerian Former Vice Presidents Have Life Diplomatic Passports? by casualobserver1: 11:22am On Jun 19, 2018 |
LaudableXX:I believe this thing you said is what happened to Charles Taylor. |
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This implies that his home govt had waived any immunity given to him. In addition a special court in Sierra Leone had issued a warrant for his arrest and sent it to Interpol. At the time Taylor was arrested, was he still the substantive head of state, or was he still holding a diplomatic passport? NO. He had fled to Nigeria after leaving power in Liberia, and a request for his extradition was served on the Nigerian authorities. 
Despite the fact that there is a warrant of arrest out on Bashir who is a serving President of Sudan, several countries have declined to arrest him, even when he visited their nations.
Was it the type known as ‘immunity ratione personae’? Or was it the limited type called ‘immunity ratione materiae’)?