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| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Mofpearl: 9:30pm On May 09, 2018 |
Now I will be very honest here, regarding Sheikh Rabee and Falih Alharbi, I don't know about them. I don't know the history of what happened but I did try to search for information and I got conflicting information. And I am not going to throw myself into a situation that I don't have knowledge of and since I don't have the knowledge, I can't make an informed decision. The best I can do is to refrain until I have got my doubts cleared. What I can do is ask those who know and that is what I will do in sha Allah. Whatever I find I will make public. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 2:56am On May 10, 2018 |
Mofpearl: You don't see where am going..... I didn't say he still has that belief, I am saying, he throws himself as a person knowledge can be taken from when he hasn't studied aqeedah properly, he only rectifies after he has been criticized! Knowledge precedes action....This proves that he is unfit to take knowledge from. He recommends ibn jibreen, Ali al-halabiy, etc as scholars for people that see him as trustworthy.... Ali al-halabiy that al-lajnatud daa'imah has officially warned against his contents in Saudi Arabia because of his leaning towards irjaa. And when he was warned against, the head of the lajnah was(and is still is) shaykh Abdulaziz Aal shaykh, the mufti of Saudi Arabia... And its members at that time was shaykh fawzaan(still a member) and shaykh Abdullaahi Al-ghudyaan rahimahullaah. These people are not enough to warn from halabiy? And did you see Shaykh rabee there? And I didn't say he criticized islamqa, of course I'll expect him to recommend saalih munajjid since he sees ibn jibreen who praises Osama ibn laaden as a scholar. I said SHAYKH UBAYD WARNED AGAINST HIM. And SHAYKH ubayd is from our major scholars of sunnah. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 2:58am On May 10, 2018 |
Mofpearl: Falih alharbi accused SHAYKH Albaani of irjaa is not enough for u to see who he is? Try to be honest with yourself pls! |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Mofpearl: 3:20am On May 10, 2018 |
AbdelKabir: Okay I got you now. I missed the part of Shaykh Ubayd warning against Assim Alhakeem. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 3:24am On May 10, 2018 |
Mofpearl: You are not reading my posts properly! I say shaykh ubayd warned against saalih munajjid. And I have made some modifications on my second to the last post, reread it again. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 3:32am On May 10, 2018 |
And depending on the internet to get reliable information on these issues is near impossible. 1 Like |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Mofpearl: 3:53am On May 10, 2018 |
AbdelKabir: This part is clear. I understand this. He recommends ibn jibreen, Ali al-halabiy, etc as scholars for people that see him as trustworthy.... Ali al-halabiy that al-lajnatud daa'imah has officially warned against his contents in Saudi Arabia because of his leaning towards irjaa. And when he was warned against, the head of the lajnah was(and is still is) shaykh Abdulaziz Aal shaykh, the mufti of Saudi Arabia... And its members at that time was shaykh fawzaan(still a member) and shaykh Abdullaahi Al-ghudyaan rahimahullaah.He (assim al hakeem) recommended ibn jibreen who has been warned against. This is my understanding of this paragraph. These people are not enough to warn from halabiy? And did you see Shaykh ranee there?I don't get why you are asking me this. I literally mentioned that I don't know the history of what happened and when I tried to search I found conflicting information and I couldn't put it all together. I am trying to be very cautious where I am getting my information from because I am going in an area where I have little to no knowledge. For example, what happened first? Was there a criticism by shyakh Al Bani (may Allah have mercy on him) of shayk Rabee at some point because it seemed like there was? *basically when I look this up ( I am talking about shayk Al Bani and shykh al Rabee) I get a variety of website that says a side of the story and I cannot evaluate how legitimate these websites are. The only current thing are people's comment and those are conflicting. In other words I don't want to throw myself at there because I fear for myself. Am I making sense? And I didn't say he criticized islamqa, of course I'll expect him to recommend saalih munajjid since he sees ibn jibreen who praises Osama ibn laaden as a scholar. I said SHAYKH UBAYD WARNED AGAINST HIM. And SHAYKH ubayd is from our major scholars of sunnah.The first sentence is talking about Assim al Hakeem (You started with a he). Who is the second sentence talking about? I know now because you mentioned it in my prior mention but it's not clear because you mentioned he (which is a continuation of the subject of the sentence). I am just trying to point out that it's easy to misunderstand what you are saying. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 3:33pm On May 10, 2018 |
Mofpearl: Shaykh Albaani criticized shaykh rabee at first that there is harshness in his books towards sayyid qutb, but towards the end of his life time, he wrote a handwritten letter to shaykh rabee freeing himself from this criticism after going through the havoc of sayyid qutb. But those that always wish to bring rancor in the hearts of people towards shaykh rabee will bring up imam albaani statement but won't bring were he apologized and freed himself from this criticism. The first sentence is talking about Assim al Hakeem (You started with a he). Who is the second sentence talking about? I know now because you mentioned it in my prior mention but it's not clear because you mentioned he (which is a continuation of the subject of the sentence). I am just trying to point out that it's easy to misunderstand what you are saying. Yea, I read it myself and saw that it was truly ambiguous. Anyway shaykh ubayd criticized islamqa.....and I don't really see what is in islamqa that you won't get in alifta.com other than his(munajjid) subtle call to sayyid qutb. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ypeace: 11:41am On Jul 03, 2018 |
AbdelKabir:Barakallahu fii. May Allah increase you in knowledge. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ypeace: 1:08pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
@Abdelkabir, please do you have the opinion of scholars on cryptocurrencies (holding it and trading it)? I have programming knowledge and knows the principle on which most cryptocurrencies work. In case there is need for clarification on them. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 4:54pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
ypeace: I have not read anything regarding it... *modified* Shaykh sulaymaan ar-ruhaylee says its haraam because it has no value in and of itself, that its value comes from "movement of the market" (I believe you understand what he means), and no single country has accepted it's usage which means there is possibility of losing your money. So do you have any comments regarding his reasons? 1 Like |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Empiree: 5:30pm On Jul 03, 2018 |
when it comes to cryptocurrencies or bitcoin, it is fraud. Have i not been saying this on this nl platform for 4yrs now?. When i raised the issue that paper money is haram some of you disagreed. I said further that they wanted to replace paper money with electronic or virtual currency but many of you said it is not haram. Here we are now, cryptocurrencies is here. It does have some good that come with it but it purpose nullifies the benefits. Sheikh Imran Hussain has been saying this for over 20 yrs but they think he was crazy. So just watch when eventually paper money will disappear. There are many things you can no longer buy with cash now. And i was impressed by Sheikh Assim Hakim in his few mins clip where he recognizes cryptocurrencies to be fraudulent and haram after presented his analysis. But the big banks aren't gonna present bitcoin in a way that scares the hell out of people. They drop the process softly until massess get used to it. It will create more and more wealth for the rich to be permanently rich and the poor permanently poor. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ypeace: 7:33am On Jul 04, 2018 |
AbdelKabir: That it has no value itself is not true but that it's value also come from movement of the market is True. Gold, for example, is mined (intrinsic value). If there is large hype on gold and people buy it more, its value would rise against fiat right? Similarly, bitcoin is 'mined' by spending electricity and using high RAM equipment to calculate a hash. Please visit this website (https://anders.com/blockchain/) to get how the whole process works. It also has a demo. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ypeace: 7:42am On Jul 04, 2018 |
Empiree: Assalam alaykum warahmatullah. Can you present a link to his lecture on bitcoin? Saying banks are the one behind it is funny because most consider bitcoin as anti-bank. Can you post the source that links big banks to being the one behind bitcoin? Modified I listened to one of sheikh's (Rahimahullah) lecture just now on YouTube and some of the things he said about it may have come from the fact that the person who explained it to him does not have full understanding of what bitcoin is. He mentioned that 'the owner could shut it down' and it has no value of its own. To mine bitcoin as an individual is costly. The cost to mine a single bitcoin is higher than the current price of bitcoin. Bitcoin did have a founder but it is not possible for even its founder to shut it down ( as far as I know). Ps: I am a programmer. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 8:34am On Jul 04, 2018 |
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| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Empiree: 11:12am On Jul 04, 2018 |
ypeace:really, this is really the point. It is had intrinsic value. It only because money when you sign an agreement. That's fraud. This is sheikh Assim Hakim https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gctxeh0uwtk As for sheik Imran Hussein, you gonna have to watch his series of lectures because he talks about it in almost all of his lectures. So I can't possibly pick one. I find it hard to believe Banks and govt aren't involved with it creation one way or the other. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by tintingz(m): 11:49am On Jul 04, 2018 |
Empiree:You have a point tho, cashless policy can be a problem for the poor people, near poor people and older people but it's a good development if it's rightly regulated. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ypeace: 7:21pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Empiree: It has an intrinsic value. What you believe and what most people say about it isn't true. Its code is open source and any programmer who cares can download, study and even modify it for testing. If you really care about knowing about the technology (blockchain which is simply based on hash functions and key-pair cryptography) first watch the video here https://anders.com/blockchain/ and take this free course https://www.coursera.org/learn/cryptocurrency. I believe if we present these materials to our scholars, it is enough to make judgement about it. cc: abdelkabir |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Empiree: 8:07pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
ypeace:Thanks. I will review it. But i know where you may be driving at. But no, thanks. Money given to us by Allah and His messanger is Gold Dinar and Silver Durham. This is enough. This is call sunnah money. Even Jews of old used to mint their own coin in thier temple. The only thing that impressed me to review this is bcus you said it has intrinsic value. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Mofpearl: 8:38pm On Jul 04, 2018 |
Transcription of Assim Al Hakeem video on Bitcoin Question brother LeBron says I'd like to know the details how Bitcoin tends to be Haram according to a point of view despite the fact that cryptocurrency might probably be accepted as a legal tender and a medium of exchange Answer The issue of Bitcoin is a recent one which means that it is not found or discussed by scholars in the past and unfortunately with such new events evolving some of them are to some crystal clear and some to others may require the collaboration of scholars economists and people involved in such issues to deliberate and to come up with a conclusion. Basically speaking Bitcoin is something that is recent and new and there are a lot of serious concerns when it comes to dealing with it whether it is from the origin where it came from, whether from the aspect of sustainability and security, it is known that it was found dead in 2007 2008 by someone that is unknown and they say that his name is Satoshi Nakamoto and this person later on who was supposed to be Japanese the person with that name denied having anything to do with it then another person came from Australia Canada claiming to be the one who founded it. But generally speaking no one knows where originally it came from not only that when it started I think it was like point 1 cent of a dollar so one Bitcoin was equal to point one cent something that is negligible in a couple of years it jumped to $35 as of today if I'm not mistaken one Bitcoin that was point 1 cent now is equivalent $11,000 Plus. This is ridiculous. What is this? This is not something that is physical you can touch. It's not a coin. it's not a banknote it's not a deed it's not a certificate it is something that is virtual it all is dependent on the peer-to-peer the blockchain and the logarithms that govern it which is known to only a handful of people who control it and who are anonymous and no one knows who they are. You cannot complain about it you cannot pretend that there is justice or injustice there is no one to talk to so it is as if you are throwing your money in a vacuum not knowing whether it will increase or decrease but most people don't care because all what they're looking for is quick profit and gain. You remember the pyramid schemes and the networking schemes that have been in the past and still ongoing today selling you a commodity that costs in the market a single euro they sell it to you for 200 euros claiming that there is only 5000 pieces in the world of it and then after you pay that huge amount of money you qualify to market it to others and youwill get a percentage whenever someone enlists in the same Ponzi scheme. It is all bogus it is all a hoax and they consume people's money through that. Man by nature likes quick profit if someone with a long beard comes to me and says he'll give me money and I invest it foryou and I'll give you a revenue that is beyond imagination and you will sustain a happy life. I will trust him not because of his beard but because of the gain and the quick profit that I may make out of it. Bitcoin is something like this and there are I think a lot of similar virtual currencies. they are virtual, you cannot touch them and if areum and and in so many 60 may have some may that make them up to a hundred and they are on the rise and it's not logical the fluctuation of the price. Now is it (Bitcoin) a currency or a commodity? This is something we still have to look into because it is not a currency it's not backed by people. it'snot backed by government. it's not backed by central banks or normal banks so you cannot say it's a currency because no one deals with it except a handful of people. Country wise only I think Germany, Japan maybe Austria allow it because there is benefit to them from it taxations monitoring etc. And the biggest loophole in it (Bitcoin) is that the price goes way up and it can also come way down so it's like a bubble waiting to be inflated and this what will happen soon. Now we all know that there is only a limit for the bitcoins that is 21 million of it andonce they reach the 20 of a million, what will happen? Also we also know that it remains anonymous when you deal with it so it's only a code that you're given. no one can trace it which means that it's an open gate for money laundering, drug launder drug money, Haram money. you can just put it there and no one can trace you and this is subhanAllah probably why all hackers when they do cyber crimes and they demand a ransom, the ransom has to be paid in Bitcoin. The the pirate of the Caribbeans, the Disney movie that was hacked, they demanded ransom for it. In Bitcoin also, any cyber attack any virus attack threat can threaten your wealth and can take this currency, so-called currency down to the ground so there is a lot of ambiguity. if I have dollars and you have euros we would like to exchange, this is permissible in Islam with one condition and that is that it has to be hand to hand. It has to be physical. I cannot say ok I accept this transaction, I'll give you the money after half an hour. This is Haram the transaction is void it has to be simultaneous give and take. In virtual currencies you don't have this; the transfer is not simultaneous and you don't have anything physical to hold on to, so this kind of ambiguity makes Bitcoin Haram in my opinion and Muslims should not get involved in such dubious transactions simply to make a quick buck, to make a quick profit. This is not an Islamic concept and one of the reasons of a lot of transactions being prohibited in Islam is the concept of rural ambiguity that there might be some sort of deceit or ambiguity in knowing the end result of this transaction. Allah Azzaujal knows best. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by ollaxworld: 11:07am On Jul 06, 2018 |
Tayebest Thank you for the contribution. I am still surprise how we Muslims try to make Islam harder than it never was. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Nobody: 5:53pm On Jul 10, 2018 |
Mofpearl: I have asked a person of knowledge about this in person of shaykh abul abbas bilal ibn abdilganiy hafidhohullaah via his WhatsApp group where he receives questions and replies them. I attached the message itself, and this is the translation to the attachment: The seventh question: As-salaam alaykum our shaykh and may Allaah aid you, I am a brother from Nigeria and I wish to ask you a question, is it permissible for us to say "rest in peace" for the dead? This statement, I think it was taken from the disbelievers, they say the likes of this at the grave of their dead people. That is not permissible for a Muslim(to say), and Alhamdulillaah we have in our religion something that suffices us from that(I.e rest in peace) and from that is: It is made sunnah to say "bismillaahi wa ala sunnati rasulillaahi or ala millati rasulillaahi sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam while placing the dead into the grave. Because of the hadeeth of ibn umar radiyallaahu anhumaa that the prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam said: when you place your dead in the grave, say: bismillaahi wa ala sunnati rasulillaahi sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam. And in another narration: wa ala millati rasulillaahi... Abu dawood and other than him related it. And shaykh Albaani authenticated it in " Ahkaamul janaaiz"(page 192) And it is made sunnah after burying him to seek forgiveness for the dead and pray for steadfastness for him after burying him due to the hadeeth of uthmaan ibn affan radiyallaahu anhu where he said: the prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam used to stand upon (the grave of)the dead after burying him and say: seek forgiveness for your brother and pray for steadfastness for him for verily he is being asked as at hand. Related by Abu dawood and other than him. Imam albaani authenticated it in "ahkaamul janaaiz" page 198. And Allaah knows best. From his Eminence Shaykh bilaal ibn abdil ganiy as-saalimiy al-athariy hafidhohullaahu.... By the way he is fron Alexandria (in Egypt). 1 Like
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| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Empiree: 11:40pm On Jul 29, 2018 |
ollaxworld:Actually, it is not necessarily "prayer" because it is not specific either. Muslims can easily say in prayers for our dead ones like: * May Allah forgive him or her * May Allah have mercy on him or her * May Allah grant him or her Paradise * May Allah overlook his or her faults ..... and the like. Otherwise just saying RIP cannot benefit the dead anything. Not everyone in the grave rest in peace. But I agree it may be a courtesy one way or the other. |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by tayebest(m): 7:16pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
Empiree: I hope you are not among people who assume prayer for the dead are not always answered? |
| Re: Saying Rest In Peace For The Dead. by Empiree: 7:23pm On Jul 30, 2018 |
tayebest:nope. Prayers reach the dead by Allah's Mercy 1 Like |
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