aniomafirstson:


Can you guys dominate us

some ignorant comments up here

My brother we can't....it's an Igbo thing not to be dominated and that is what they have been telling them that SE would dominate them ...the question is how ?

If we wanted to dominate it would have been tiny ogoni but we choose not to

Lol. The unflavored people in this Nigeria is the ss and se. Arewa supposed to be the the London of Nigeria cos of the big chunk they get from the government but noo. They can't speak up do to their hate for Western education.

selemempe:
its not impossible. Presure only has to be put on NASS. The necessary laws can be madr to accomodate it.

But first the south east (which is the zone that needs one extra state for equity) needs to come together and decide that we will all support Anioma state for the south east zone. Other state agitations in the se will cease in favour of only anioma. Ekweremadu is the chairman of consitutional review...he can do something about it. We need more lands in se. No need to further break any se state to create an inviable state.

did Anioma People tell you say they wan wan join SE?

Chigold101:
did Anioma People tell you say they wan wan join SE?

u see ya self. Where did u start following this thread. If u didn't start from the head. U should. We neva said that anioma wants to be in se. We are only discussing how we will help ourselves. As u can see. Anioma people are here who understands what we are talking about. Tanx

Let me say this for avoidance of doubt.

Saying Onitsha is Anioma and should be included in Anioma state, is as good as saying That Ogwashi ukwu( Nri) , Abbi(Achala), Obomkpa (Nri), Ibusa( Isu, ?Isuofia), Asaba ( Nteje) , etc, are Anambra in diaspora and should be included in Anambra State.
Of course, it would not make sense to do such. Same goes with claims of Onitsha being Anioma linked, and hence should be added to Anioma state.


However, if Onitsha people, who are the owners of Onitsha land, vote to join Anioma state. Then nobody has the right to stop them.

Anambra State is bigger than Onitsha. We survived loss of Enugu, we would survive loss of Onitsha, if it comes to that.
As a matter of fact, most of Onitsha had spilled into Obosi, Ogidi, Nkpor, Ozeh, Nsugbe. So even if Onitsha people opts to join Anioma, the above named places would thrive and even grow bigger in development than Onitsha in Anioma, because of the below listed factor :

1. Onitsha is the major city in Anambra and receive by far, a lion share of Anambra State allocation, as Anambra State government spend a huge percentage of her funds on Onitsha infrastructural development.
It wouldn't be same in Anioma state for Onitsha.


2. Anioma already have three main competing but complementary blocks, each with their own cities/towns.
Asaba (for Enu-ani people), Boji Boji (For Ika people), Kwale(Utagba-uno) (For Ukwuani people).
Onitsha would become the fourth city in new Anioma state, with the other three blocks looking on to them as outsiders.
These three groups Want Anioma state because they want to see infrastructural development of their major towns, especially for Boji Boji and Kwale, I don't think they would be happy to see Onitsha taking the second spot, after Asaba, in their new state.
Onitsha people might not know this, or they pretend not to know, but Onitsha is privileged to be in Anambra, and would not thrive this much, outside Anambra.

3. With Onitsha town gone to Anioma, Anambra State government would then focus on the parts of present Onitsha metropolis in Idemili North, Oyi, etc, there would be relocation of markets to these places, and with state sponsored infrastructural development, they would grow like wide fire into bigger city than Onitsha town.

4. Anyone who is pan Igboist, would not advocate for transfer of Onitsha outside Anambra.
Onitsha city is now beyond Onitsha town, it now includes towns in Ogbaru( Okpoko) Idemili North( Obosi, Ogidi, Nkpor), Oyi (Nkwerre Ezunaka) and then Ozeh and Nsugbe.
And it's consistently expanding more, by each day.


5.Rather than thinking about annexing Onitsha, Anioma state campaigners, should look Westward at the possibility of recovering Igbanke, Irun and other Ika towns trapped in Edo state, even if it means releasing Ozanogogo back to Bini people.

Ikenna0b:


Did we ever deny this? If so, post where Aniomas denied it?

I guess by this your post you're saying se did what you did as revenge. ok We now know

oga don't put words into my mouth,you started on how we bombed the bridge abandoning our brothers-i did nothing but point out a fact you overlooked.The whole igbo nation paid a price -not just the anioma-and is still paying it for what happened in 1966.I believe that given similar circumstances,we would still fight alongside your people-our brothers.we from the east of the naija aren't the ones who seem not to recognise their brethren,I know that igbo question isn't going to be resolved soon,but pls be fair in your posts to us -beg the same of my fellow SEners

Chigold101:
did Anioma People tell you say they wan wan join SE?

go through the thread and answer the question ursef.

pazienza:



5.Rather than thinking about annexing Onitsha, Anioma state campaigners, should look Westward at the possibility of recovering Igbanke, Irun and other Ika towns trapped in Edo state, even if it means releasing Ozanogogo back to Bini people.

This what I have been telling them but they are hell bent of fighting anambra even to the extent of accusing us that we abandoned them...

Cc

aniomafirstson.

pazienza:
Let me say this for avoidance of doubt.

Saying Onitsha is Anioma and should be included in Anioma state, is as good as saying That Ogwashi ukwu( Nri) , Abbi(Achala), Obomkpa (Nri), Ibusa( Isu, ?Isuofia), Asaba ( Nteje) , etc, are Anambra in diaspora and should be included in Anambra State.
Of course, it would not make sense to do such. Same goes with claims of Onitsha being Anioma linked, and hence should be added to Anioma state.


However, if Onitsha people, who are the owners of Onitsha land, vote to join Anioma state. Then nobody has the right to stop them.

Anambra State is bigger than Onitsha. We survived loss of Enugu, we would survive loss of Onitsha, if it comes to that.
As a matter of fact, most of Onitsha had spilled into Obosi, Ogidi, Nkpor, Ozeh, Nsugbe. So even if Onitsha people opts to join Anioma, the above named places would thrive and even grow bigger in development than Onitsha in Anioma, because of the below listed factor :

1. Onitsha is the major city in Anambra and receive by far, a lion share of Anambra State allocation, as Anambra State government spend a huge percentage of her funds on Onitsha infrastructural development.
It wouldn't be same in Anioma state for Onitsha.


2. Anioma already have three main competing but complementary blocks, each with their own cities/towns.
Asaba (for Enu-ani people), Boji Boji (For Ika people), Kwale(Utagba-uno) (For Ukwuani people).
Onitsha would become the fourth city in new Anioma state, with the other three blocks looking on to them as outsiders.
These three groups Want Anioma state because they want to see infrastructural development of their major towns, especially for Boji Boji and Kwale, I don't think they would be happy to see Onitsha taking the second spot, after Asaba, in their new state.
Onitsha people might not know this, or they pretend not to know, but Onitsha is privileged to be in Anambra, and would not thrive this much, outside Anambra.

3. With Onitsha town gone to Anioma, Anambra State government would then focus on the parts of present Onitsha metropolis in Idemili North, Oyi, etc, there would be relocation of markets to these places, and with state sponsored infrastructural development, they would grow like wide fire into bigger city than Onitsha town.

4. Anyone who is pan Igboist, would not advocate for transfer of Onitsha outside Anambra.
Onitsha city is now beyond Onitsha town, it now includes towns in Ogbaru( Okpoko) Idemili North( Obosi, Ogidi, Nkpor), Oyi (Nkwerre Ezunaka) and then Ozeh and Nsugbe.
And it's consistently expanding more, by each day.


5.Rather than thinking about annexing Onitsha, Anioma state campaigners, should look Westward at the possibility of recovering Igbanke, Irun and other Ika towns trapped in Edo state, even if it means releasing Ozanogogo back to Bini people.

Nothing will make Onitsha to be added to the said Anioma, does that make sense to anyone.

If they are thinking of that,maybe they are not ready for any Anioma state.You cant create a new state by taken cities of already existing state to a new one, which new state in the history of Nigeria is created like that.

Anioma have Asaba, Ika, Ukwuani, Igbanke and Kwale which is enough to form a state.

Adada people in Enugu that is agitating for a State are they talking of annexing Enugu town into Adada.

Odingo1:


Nothing will make Onitsha to be added to the said Anioma, does that make sense to anyone.

If they are thinking of that,maybe they are not ready for any Anioma state.You cant create a new state by taken cities of already existing state to a new one, which new state in the history of Nigeria is created like that.

Anioma have Asaba, Ika, Ukwuani, Igbanke and Kwale which is enough to form a state.

Adada people in Enugu that is agitating for a State are they talking of annexing Enugu town into Adada.

Well, Enugu state took the Enugu capital of the old Anambra state with them.
While Anambra State had to start again from the scratch, to build a new capital city in Awka.
So, it has happened before, and could happen again.

Neither you nor I, have the right to dictate to Ndi Onitsha, where they want to belong.

When and if the time comes for Anioma state creation, Onitsha stake holders, ie indigenes and royal fathers, would have the sole right to decide on whether to join or not join Anioma. And nobody who is not an Onitsha indigene, would or should have a say, over this.

This is Democracy at work, and this is how it would pan out.

Let's stop deceiving ourselves on internet.

The most Anambra State government could do, Incase Anioma include Onitsha in the new state, is to lobby the Obi of Onitsha and other Onitsha indigenes by reminding him and then that :

1. He wouldn't be the permanent leader of Anioma traditional rulers council in Anioma, over Obi of Agbor and Asagba of Asaba, as he is currently the permanent president of Anambra traditional rulers council.

2. His town wouldn't be the numero uno, as it currently is, in Anambra, should they choose Anioma state over Anambra State.

3. Etc.


This was what Akwa Ibom state government did, when Ijaw Oil Rivers state agitators went and Included Eastern Obolo and Ibeno LGA in their proposed new state.

AKSG lobbied the traditional rulers and stake holders in Ibeno and Eastern Obolo, who came out to denounce inclusion of their territories in the proposed oil Rivers state.

It's all about politics, after all.

pazienza:


Well, Enugu state took the Enugu capital of the old Anambra state with them.
While Anambra State had to start again from the scratch, to build a new capital city in Awka.
So, it has happened before, and would happen.

Neither you nor I, have the right to dictate to Ndi Onitsha, where they want to belong.

When and if the time comes for Anioma state creation, Onitsha stake holders, ie indigenes and royal fathers, would have the sole right to decide on whether to join or not join Anioma. And nobody who is not an Onitsha indigene, would or should have a say, over this.

This is Democracy at work, and this is how it would pan out.

Let's stop deceiving ourselves on internet.

Thank you pazienza

pazienza:


Well, Enugu state took the Enugu capital of the old Anambra state with them.
While Anambra State had to start again from the scratch, to build a new capital city in Awka.
So, it has happened before, and could happen again.

Neither you nor I, have the right to dictate to Ndi Onitsha, where they want to belong.

When and if the time comes for Anioma state creation, Onitsha stake holders, ie indigenes and royal fathers, would have the sole right to decide on whether to join or not join Anioma. And nobody who is not an Onitsha indigene, would or should have a say, over this.

This is Democracy at work, and this is how it would pan out.

Let's stop deceiving ourselves on internet.

In that case anioma is not ready to get a state
coz it will die a natural death....

I rather support creation of more igbo state like Adada than to support creation of non igbo state and annexing igboland to strangers....

pazienza:


Well, Enugu state took the Enugu capital of the old Anambra state with them.
While Anambra State had to start again from the scratch, to build a new capital city in Awka.
So, it has happened before, and could happen again.

Neither you nor I, have the right to dictate to Ndi Onitsha, where they want to belong.

When and if the time comes for Anioma state creation, Onitsha stake holders, ie indigenes and royal fathers, would have the sole right to decide on whether to join or not join Anioma. And nobody who is not an Onitsha indigene, would or should have a say, over this.

This is Democracy at work, and this is how it would pan out.

Let's stop deceiving ourselves on internet.

It is not true, Enugu is the purpose of creating Enugu state.
Stop peddling false information.

In that case Anioma is not ready to have a state, Adada will become a state before them.

In my own opinion Onitsha should remain with anambra but its up to them.

Juliusmalema:


In that case anioma is not ready to get a state
coz it will die a natural death....

I rather support creation of more igbo state like Adada than to support creation of non igbo state and annexing igboland to strangers....

They are not ready to have a state yet, thinking of annexing another state city into a new state is foolish thinking in this era.

aniomafirstson:
In my own opinion Onitsha should remain with anambra but its up to them.

You cannot succeed to have a new state with thinking of annexing of another state city, it is just building castle in the air.

Imaging Adada in a bid to have a new state to start saying that Awka or Enugu town should join them in their new state, which means they dont know what they are doing.

If Anioma is thinking of Onitsha joining them, they don't know what they are doing.

WAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE DUMB, LAZY THINKERS.

THAT IS ALL I WILL SAY.

Odingo1:


You cannot succeed to have a new state with thinking of annexing of another state city, it is just building castle in the air.

Onitsha people will decide
I have stated my opinion already

Juliusmalema:


In that case anioma is not ready to get a state
coz it will die a natural death....

I rather support creation of more igbo state like Adada than to support creation of non igbo state and annexing igboland to strangers....

Then you are shortsighted.

Though for me, those Anioma people proposing the annexation of Onitsha, while they keep mutr over Igbanke and Ikalands trapped in Edo state, are also shortsighted.

Both groups, insisting that they rather have No Anioma state than lose Onitsha to Anioma, and the Anioma groups looking to Annex Onitsha but remain mute over Ikalands in Edo state, are hunting in already secured territory, when focus should be on recovering of lost territories.

Though, personally for me, until I see a concrete written agreement stamped and duly signed, that would ensure that Anioma state when created would be returned to SE it was separated from by Bernard Bourdillion in 1939, I would not support Anioma state creation, neither would I oppose it, I would rather support Adada, Njaba, Etiti,Aba states from SE.
Because from the look of things, the Ukwuani and Ika sections of Anioma are rabidly Igbophobic, and I'm beginning to doubt if they would ever want to have anything to do with SE Now or in the future.
We might end up supporting Anioma creation, only to get kicked on our faces by those two groups, with Enu-ani people having no option but to move with the flow.

Ndiigbo had lost alot playing emotional politics in Nigeria.
It's time we stopped that.

We recently saw Obi of Agbor Igbophobic press release, and we are no strangers to the deep Igbo hate going on in Ukwuani/Ndokwa axis. I'm aware that there exists Igbo denial is Oshimili/Aniocha(Enu-ani) axis, but I'm confident we stand a chance there, it's the Ukwuani-Ndokwa and Ika axis, that I had since given up hope on.

We would be stupid to ignore all these, and leave our various state agitations in SE, to go support an Anioma state creation that might end up refusing to leave SS for SE.

It's high time we replaced emotional politics with pragmatic politics.

Agadi nwanyi si na, Ugwu muta mgbaji ukwu, ya amuta, ejekata akwusi.

aniomafirstson:


Onitsha people will decide
I have stated my opinion already

ONITSHA PEOPLE WILL DECIDE?

IS ONITSHA A VILLAGE?

WEN WILL BLACK PEOPLE START THINKING AND REASONING PROGRESSIVELY?

pazienza:



Though, personally for me, until I see a concrete written agreement stamped and duly signed, that would ensure that Anioma state when created would be returned to SE it was separated from by Bernard Bourdillion in 1939, I would not support Anioma state creation, neither would I oppose it, I would rather support Adada, Njaba, Etiti,Aba states from SE.
Because from the look of things, the Ukwuani and Ika sections of Anioma are rabidly Igbophobic, and I'm beginning to doubt if they would ever want to have anything to do with SE Now or in the future.
We might end up supporting Anioma creation, only to get kicked on our faces by those two groups, with Enu-ani people having no option but to move with the flow.

Ndiigbo had lost alot playing emotional politics in Nigeria.
It's time we stopped that.

We recently saw Obi of Agbor Igbophobic press release, and we are no strangers to the deep Igbo hate going on in Ukwuani/Ndokwa axis. I'm aware that there exists Igbo denial is Oshimili/Aniocha(Enu-ani) axis, but I'm confident we stand a chance there, it's the Ukwuani-Ndokwa and Ika axis, that I had since given up hope on.

We would be stupid to ignore all these, and leave our various state agitations in SE, to go support an Anioma state creation that might end up refusing to leave SS for SE.

It's high time we replaced pragmatism politics for emotional politics.

Agadi nwanyi si na, Ugwu muta mgbaji ukwu, ya amuta, ejekata akwusi.

I totally agree with u.

aniomafirstson:


Onitsha people will decide
I have stated my opinion already

If you are from Anioma, you don't know what you are doing, face the reality on ground.

Even Igbanke in Edo state will be very difficult to added to Anioma state to talk of a big city.

Anioma people has been on this case for long time since 1960s. Annexing another state city is impossible in present day Nigeria.

Odingo1:


It is not true, Enugu is the purpose of creating Enugu state.
Stop peddling false information.

In that case Anioma is not ready to have a state, Adada will become a state before them.

The point is that Enugu was the capital city of the old Anambra state.

What if Onitsha city is the sole purpose of creating Anioma state?
What if the other three blocks in Anioma agree to concede the capital city status to Onitsha, as a neutral venue, after failing to reach a consensus over which of Boji Boji, Asaba and Kwale should be the capital of the New Anioma state?

Ever thought of that possibility?

You can't stay in your neck of woods and decide for Onitsha indigenes where to belong.
Isn't this our grouse with Nigerians for holding us forcefully to be part of their failing One Nigeria?

That's not the Igbo way.

Onitsha people, would be given the choice to choose where to belong, between Anambra and Anioma, and their final decision would be respected by Ndiigbo, because we are not empire builders , we are democratic by nature. That's who we are .

The best we can do is to lobby Onitsha people to vote to stay with us in Anambra.

AS A PROGRESSIVE THINKER, I EXPECTED ANIOMA TO FOCUS ON THEIR PEOPLE IN EDO CRYING OPPRESSION AND MARGINALISATION.

BUT NO, LET US GO AND CARRY PEOPLE IN ONITSHA AND LABEL THEM ANIOMA NOT IGBO.

CAN ANIOMA STATE, CONSTRUCT THE BRIDGES FROM ASABA TO ONITSHA ALONE?

WAT IF OTHER PARTS OF ONITSHA DECIDE TO REMOVE THEIR LAND, WILL ANIOMA BE EXPANDING TO ONITSHA JUST FOR EZECHIMA VILLAGE?

THESE PEOPLE TALKING HERE HAVE VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF ONITSHA METROPOLIS AND ITS COMPOSITION.

IF WE REASONE SENSIBILY AS BLACK PEOPLE, WE WILL ALREADY SEE THAT ONITSHA IS A METROPOLIS NOT ANIOMA VILLAGE.

SO MANY OTHER LAND MAKE UP THE COMPOSITION OF ONITSHA NOT JUST EZECHIMA VILLAGE.

WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING ONITSHA AND ASABA JOINTLY INTO A MEGA CITY, WITH COLLABORATION OF ANAMBRA AND ANIOMA STATE. (BROTHERLY)

MAYBE WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE A JOINT ONITSHA AND ASABA CITY COUNCIL.

BUT NO, LET US EXPAND ACROSS THE NIGER FOR EZECHIMA VILLAGE.

pazienza:


The point is that Enugu was the capital city of the old Anambra state.

What if Onitsha city is the sole purpose of creating Anioma state?
What if the other three blocks in Anioma agree to concede the capital city status to Onitsha, as a neutral venue, after failing to reach a consensus over which of Boji Boji, Asaba and Kwale should be the capital of the New Anioma state?

Ever thought of that possibility?

You can't stay in your neck of woods and decide to Onitsha indigenes where to belong.
Isn't this our grouse with Nigerians for holding us forcefully to be part of their failing One Nigeria?

That's not the Igbo way.

Onitsha people, would be given the choice to choose where to belong, between Anambra and Anioma, and their final decision would be respected by Ndiigbo, because we are not empire builders , we are democratic by nature. That's who we are .

The best we can do is to lobby Onitsha people to vote to stay with us in Anambra.

If there is Biafra that will be possible but in Nigeria it is not possible, oga face the truth, Onitsha can never join Anioma in Nigeria even Igbanke and other related villages in Edo will find it difficult to join Anioma.

I am not campaigning or lobbying for Onitsha to remain in Anambra, but what is not possible is not possible, I don't indulge in wishful thinking.

Anioma have not extract small Igbanke village from Edo na Onitsha.

If there is Biafra, Asaba, Onitsha, Ika will even be joined together to create a mega city.

I have carefully avoided this thread because i saw a lot of mischief of people behind it. However, i want to make something very clear. Those people arguing that Anioma state wants Onitsha as part of it are not even from our area.

We have NEVER wanted anywhere else to join to Anioma state. We want the whole ikaland as Anioma state.

The mischief makers who oppose Anioma state always say we want Onitsha and also Igbanke in Edo state just to make the creation of Anioma seem complicated and an effort to grab parts of other states.

cjrane:
I have carefully avoided this thread because i saw a lot of mischief of people behind it. However, i want to make something very clear. Those people arguing that Anioma state wants Onitsha as part of it are not even from our area.

We have NEVER wanted anywhere else to join to Anioma state. We want the whole ikaland as Anioma state.

IGBANKE AN OTHER EDO IKA KWANU?

cjrane:
I have carefully avoided this thread because i saw a lot of mischief of people behind it. However, i want to make something very clear. Those people arguing that Anioma state wants Onitsha as part of it are not even from our area.

We have NEVER wanted anywhere else to join to Anioma state. We want the whole ikaland as Anioma state.

they are purely from ur area.....and are non igbos......with Benin history.

Who is talking of onitsha joining anioma state?
What an abomination.
From igwe's palace direct.
It has never been a topic for discussion.


I'm not sure these people are actually igbo.
Can u guys leave igbo alone pls?

I AND OTHER ANAMBRA PEOPLE HERE HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS THREAD THAT IF U LOOK CLOSELY, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING.

HOWEVER, WAT WE GOT IS INSULTS DESPITE OUR DIPLOMACY.

ESPECIALLY FROM IKENNA, CALLING US NAMES. CALLING US SOUTHEAST IGBOS AND ALL SORTS.

POSTING ONITSHA GUY MARRY IGBO GIRLS.

IT IS NOT WAT U SAY BUT HOW U SAY IT.

IT IS NOT WAT U DO BUT HOW U DO IT.

WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, PROGRESS.

WE ARE ONE.