GrammarNazi1:

...advice.

Over sabi teacher withdraw money from the bank with it now! Don't find a way to convert the time spent on Nairaland into something that will put some coins into your purse.

Indeed, good grades plus self development spur excellence.

BruncleZuma:


Referring to age OP I am disappointed in you...and others who don't know their right. No one should be discriminated against by age, sex, religious affiliation or even state of origin.

All the companies you mentioned will never post age limits in their respective countries of origin but because we have accepted to be used as Bunsen burner for every and any schmuck and their schticks we are left to imbibe these discriminatory failures into our academic and national lives.

If you smart you smart of you no smart cramming to pass aptitude test nah the least of your worries.(This I agree with you over.)

And that reminds me most oil and gas companies will take students from Uniben it's called having an Alumnus.

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If age is one of the criteria but not posted, what difference does it make?

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InvertedHammer:

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If age is one of the criteria but not posted, what difference does it make?

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I get your point...but that doesn't make it less discriminatory.

mindthing:
Hey OP, that'll be 'SystemSpecs', which is the company. Remita is the product.

Yeah.... You are right. Thanks

aigjoey:
I totally disagree with you. Graduating with a 2.1 doesn't validate you as been smart or being called for interview. Life is what you can offer not what is written on your certificate. These companies you mentioned have third class and 22 in their pay role. And they are doing just as good and great as the first class and second class holder. I would rather advice to work smart, graduate with a good grade if you can and have something extra to show when called upon that you can defend. . Thanks

If you go through the post you would see that I never said getting a 2.1 means you are smart. The fact is, the unemployment rate in Nigeria is high and as a result, recruiters find a means to stream down the number of candidates eligible to test in order to cut down cost thus limiting the opportunities which should have been open for 2.2 or third class degree holders.

You mentioned that some of these companies have third class and the rest on their payrolls, well, I do not doubt your claim but can you point out when last any of these companies published an entry level job application stating that a third class degree holder can apply?

The fact here is, this post was not made to bring down people or make them feel bad, but to make them understand the reality in the country we live in; and they should strive hard to put themselves in better situation when they still have the chance.

BruncleZuma:
Referring to age OP I am disappointed in you...and others who don't know their right. No one should be discriminated against by age, sex, religious affiliation or even state of origin.

All the companies you mentioned will never post age limits in their respective countries of origin but because we have accepted to be used as Bunsen burner for every and any schmuck and their schticks we are left to imbibe these discriminatory failures into our academic and national lives.

If you smart you smart of you no smart cramming to pass aptitude test nah the least of your worries.(This I agree with you over.)

And that reminds me most oil and gas companies will take students from Uniben it's called having an Alumnus.

First time you made sense, in a long while.

...And remember success has no formula

U do well bro but life is changing rapidly here I work emphasis on school certificate is minimal but certificate on trainings n skills. No difference bw bsc n HND serving same need cos the company is looking at end result n I believe similar thing exist in many places.
Age discrimination in Nigeria labour market is sign failed society

U do well bro but life is changing rapidly here I work emphasis on school certificate is minimal but certificate on trainings n skills. No difference bw bsc n HND serving same need cos the company is looking at end result n I believe similar thing exist in many places.
Age discrimination in Nigeria labour market is sign of failed society

IMASTEX:

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May God help us amen

Good one OP, Now for all y'all with dreams of studying abroad, I have resources to help u secure admissions into Eastern European schools, there are lots of scammers these days so I'm willing to help but u get your Visa yourself. And Yea they are all reputable universities. If you interested u can mention me

My own advice for you? Well young man; Start making income online LEGITIMATELY.

With this, you can become a celebrity in your Local gorvenrment & a Governorship asprirant in your state - all within 2 - 3 years(very BIG)..

Your general Job market is a rat race . Dont forget I told you.!

BruncleZuma:


Referring to age OP I am disappointed in you...and others who don't know their right. No one should be discriminated against by age, sex, religious affiliation or even state of origin.

All the companies you mentioned will never post age limits in their respective countries of origin but because we have accepted to be used as Bunsen burner for every and any schmuck and their schticks we are left to imbibe these discriminatory failures into our academic and national lives.

If you smart you smart of you no smart cramming to pass aptitude test nah the least of your worries.(This I agree with you over.)

And that reminds me most oil and gas companies will take students from Uniben it's called having an Alumnus.

You don't mean it? I graduated from Uniben too, I have a degree in Production Engineering. Please kindly connect me, I'm young, vibrant and hardworking. You won't be disappointed.

why does my spirit keep telling me I won't even need to look 4 for a job... They kan kip dier jobs I won't be nidin' em' ... Abeg how much is T.P from festac to unilag via public trans?

TellMeNothing:
My own advice for you? Well young man; Start making income online LEGITIMATELY.

With this, you can become a celebrity in your Local gorvenrment & a Governorship asprirant in your state - all within 2 - 3 years(very BIG)..

Your general Job market is a rat race . Dont forget I told you.!

Can you suggest a good online income avenue? I'm very much interested

AZeD1:
This is not true.

As at 2016, Ernst and Young in the UK stopped requiring degrees. Lots of Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Apple engineers don't have degrees. The world is changing fast and very soon, the no degree required will get to Nigeria.

"One of the UK’s biggest graduate recruiters is to remove degree classification from the entry criteria for its hiring programmes, having found “no evidence” that success at university was correlated with achievement in professional qualifications."

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/07/ernst-and-young-removes-degree-classification-entry-criteria_n_7932590.html

Guy, leave dem. Let them be consoling themselves with their 1st class, and 2:1. It is only in Nigeria, that things are turned upside down, and recruiters use all kinds of shady criteria to weed out applicants, in order to make life easy for themselves, and not because they want to get the best candidate.

Many international firms abroad rate your specialised skills, certifications, work experience (even volunteer efforts) etc, over your class of degree. But their local Nigerian offices and affiliates, are busy doing the opposite. In some industries these days, emotional intelligence (EQ) is rated just as high as your (IQ). But our people are still thumping their chest over 2:1. May God deliver everyone from myopia.

aigjoey:
I totally disagree with you. Graduating with a 2.1 doesn't validate you as been smart or being called for interview. Life is what you can offer not what is written on your certificate. These companies you mentioned have third class and 22 in their pay role. And they are doing just as good and great as the first class and second class holder. I would rather advice to work smart, graduate with a good grade if you can and have something extra to show when called upon that you can defend. . Thanks

True!

aribs:
This is a matter that I find baffling to say the least. how these companies are able to get away with the age discrimination they practice says a lot about the Nigeria's labor laws. I see no reason why anyone at any age cannot decide to choose what they want to do and where they want to apply. Its just blatant discrimination. These companies would never do this in other so -called developed societies where they are located. reminds me of my experience with KPMG Nigeria after I concluded my Masters in the US. asking me to produce my WAEC and birth certificate all because I wanted to work in the Big 4 after the program. I then decided to take my chances here then and got a job here with their competition. When I was applying and being interviewed , no one cared how old I was. they just wanted to know if I was a fit and if I could get the job done. I think its high time this ageism thing is addressed. its ridiculous!

I logged in after several weeks just to provide a response to your post..

There are organizations in the US/UK with age requirements for certain jobs, so some organizations in western countries DO have age requirements...Some are subtle about it, some are very open about it. In fact, it's on their websites. I can show at least 2.

To give you a simple example, the IMF has an age requirement of 33-34 years old max for their entry programme. World Bank has 31-32 years max requirement. They don't bulge or negotiate on this maximum age requirement..

Sometimes it's good to provide perspectives so that those who don't know will know..All organizations are free to do what they deem best for them, and that must be in line with the labour laws of the countries where they are located.

In case somebody wants to debate, simply go on these organizations' websites and see for yourself. There is subtle age discrimination at many places in the western countries. This is not only in Africa..

I'm for everybody getting the same opportunity they deserve..But the world does not work that way - there are different requirements

LaudableXX:

Guy, leave dem. Let them be consoling themselves with their 1st class, and 2:1. It is only in Nigeria, that things are turned upside down, and recruiters use all kinds of shady criteria to weed out applicants, in order to make life easy for themselves, and not because they want to get the best candidate.

Many international firms abroad rate your specialised skills, certifications, work experience (even volunteer efforts) etc, over your class of degree. But their local Nigerian offices and affiliates, are busy doing the opposite. In some industries these days, emotional intelligence (EQ) is rated just as high as your (IQ). But our people are still thumping their chest over 2:1. May God deliver everyone from myopia.

I'm not sure what you mean by beating chest over 2:1. However, I must say this. In my industry, finance, most companies will demand a minimum of 2:1 from fresh people without work experience. This was my experience in Nigeria and elsewhere..I can't speak for other industries..

If I was young again, the advice I would give myself would be - blast the blast and get the 'bestest' university grades possible AND also develop yourself in ALL other areas, including managing and dealing with people as well as EQ. Many young people don't want to experience what it feels like to have a below average university degree. Can someone with an uninspiring university degree make it? Yes. In fact, many dropouts have turned out to be billionaires..However, these people are not in the majority, and making a decision based on exceptions is a risky way to approach life.

Young people, a top degree is always an edge, at least for now. Don't mumu yourself oo. If you're not cut out for a top degree, then by all means develop yourself in the area you're strong in and can easily become tops while at the same time earning a degree (just to be counted as being among the university degree holders).

All the best oo.

baum1:


I logged in after several weeks just to provide a response to your post..

There are organizations in the US/UK with age requirements for certain jobs, so some organizations in western countries DO have age requirements...Some are subtle about it, some are very open about it. In fact, it's on their websites. I can show at least 2.

To give you a simple example, the IMF has an age requirement of 33-34 years old max for their entry programme. World Bank has 31-32 years max requirement. They don't bulge or negotiate on this maximum age requirement..

Sometimes it's good to provide perspectives so that those who don't know will know..All organizations are free to do what they deem best for them, and that must be in line with the labour laws of the countries where they are located.

In case somebody wants to debate, simply go on these organizations' websites and see for yourself. There is subtle age discrimination at many places in the western countries. This is not only in Africa..

I'm for everybody getting the same opportunity they deserve..But the world does not work tha t way - there are different requirements

Point noted but for the organizations you pointed out , are these not specific programs dedicated to recruiting young professionals and not general employment criteria ? Just so you know the World Bank and IMF is not owned by the US so they are deemed as independent organizations with ability to fashion their own laws. The organizations you mention have immunity and do not have to follow any law of any country. The US specifically for instance does not allow for discrimination based on any ground such as race , religion etc. Why for instance would KPMG US hire a 30 year old intern and KPMG Nigeria will refuse same ? Is this based on Nigerian law or ILO conventions? Its discrimination and my issue is the lack of will to enforce what is in the books in Nigeria. They have been getting away with this for too long

aribs:

Point noted but for the organizations you pointed out , are these not specific programs dedicated to recruiting young professionals and not general employment criteria ? Just so you know the World Bank and IMF is not owned by the US so they are deemed as independent organizations with ability to fashion their own laws. The organizations you mention have immunity and do not have to follow any law of any country. The US specifically for instance does not allow for discrimination based on any ground such as race , religion etc. Why for instance would KPMG US hire a 30 year old intern and KPMG Nigeria will refuse same ? Is this based on Nigerian law or ILO conventions? Its discrimination and my issue is the lack of will to enforce what is in the books in Nigeria. They have been getting away with this for too long

You're teaching me about IMF and World Bank.

They don't fully have full immunity per say. They try to please their largest shareholders, so they try to please the US in many ways..I say this because I know. The US has a veto power on some of these organizations..

Yes, the programs I mentioned are specific programs fully dedicated to recruiting young professionals. In fact, one of them is called young professionals program. Google am. The other is called EP, for young people just finishing the highest university degree..

Those 30 years old and co, banks, financial institutions and some others in some western countries have a special internship program called something like internships for returning adults or something like that. This is for experienced people in one industry looking to move into another industry or for some people who have been away from a job, like new mothers, and who wish to return. Quote me, but it will be hard to get someone in a western country who does not have a verifiable job experience at 30..E go hard. Most people in entry level jobs are way less than 30, at least in the finance industry that I know of very well, because they finish BSc max 23 for most. That's why naija employers need to sorry for people, as you guys are advocating., because in Naija many people gain admission at 22, plus strike, plus NYSC, plus and so on..

Finally, yes, as I said early, not all organizations in the western countries accept people of all ages for jobs, some have age requirements. I believe we are all in agreement on this because it is the fact. I have given just two examples, there are some others. Meanwhile, it is true, as you said, that very many organizations in developed countries do not openly discriminate on age and race and other stories..But we know how some managers pick people for jobs, looooooooool. For the same experience and achievements, many managers will always prefer a younger person to their older counterpart, unless that older bros or aunty has something to offer that the young person does not.

The western countries are not as blameless as some of us what others to believe.

It is always a good advantage to do anything young, always always.

I agree with you that everything should be done in Nigeria to fight open discrimination by age etc. But even if they stop to openly discriminate based on age, in general it can be difficult to prove that they are not doing this secretly. This is the problems that the labor ministries in the western countries continue to face

baum1:


You're teaching me about IMF and World Bank.

They don't fully have full immunity per say. They try to please their largest shareholders, so they try to please the US in many ways..I say this because I know. The US has a veto power on some of these organizations..

Yes, the programs I mentioned are specific programs fully dedicated to recruiting young professionals. In fact, one of them is called young professionals program. Google am. The other is called EP, for young people just finishing the highest university degree..

Those 30 years old and co, banks, financial institutions and some others in some western countries have a special internship program called something like internships for returning adults or something like that. This is for experienced people in one industry looking to move into another industry or for some people who have been away from a job, like new mothers, and who wish to return. Quote me, but it will be hard to get someone in a western country who does not have a verifiable job experience at 30..E go hard. Most people in entry level jobs are way less than 30, at least in the finance industry that I know of very well, because they finish BSc max 23 for most. That's why naija employers need to sorry for people, as you guys are advocating., because in Naija many people gain admission at 22, plus strike, plus NYSC, plus and so on..

Finally, yes, as I said early, not all organizations in the western countries accept people of all ages for jobs, some have age requirements. I believe we are all in agreement on this because it is the fact. I have given just two examples, there are some others. Meanwhile, it is true, as you said, that very many organizations in developed countries do not openly discriminate on age and race and other stories..But we know how some managers pick people for jobs, looooooooool. For the same experience and achievements, many managers will always prefer a younger person to their older counterpart, unless that older bros or aunty has something to offer that the young person does not.

The western countries are not as blameless as some of us what others to believe.

It is always a good advantage to do anything young, always always.

I agree with you that everything should be done in Nigeria to fight open discrimination by age etc. But even if they stop to openly discriminate based on age, in general it can be difficult to prove that they are not doing this secretly. This is the problems that the labor ministries in the western countries continue to face

I agree with the points made above to a large extent and yes I do know that the US has an overbearing influence on these organizations. Here is my point. I for instance , can go sue an organization which discriminates against me or before the Employment Commission and get a judgment (yes I have represented people here in court for that so I know ) because that is the law of the land In the US. Even my firm got sued for this . I know the prevailing practice to bring in young ones as opposed to being older but no one will ever advertise blatantly as these firms do in Nigeria and say you must be a certain age before even applying. It is always an advantage in doing something young BUT if I go by your logic , people like me who changed track (lawyer to economist ) can stand no chance in a place like Nigeria with the current labor practices. I do not think that is ideal at all. As you have mentioned , there are special programs for entry level interns etc which focus primarily on university seniors (no mention of age here )to have internship experience in banks, big 4 firms etc. As I interned here at EY US , no one asked me my age and I was a masters student with four years work experience from naija so I was not one of 'em youngins. The fact that there is subtle discrimination in the Wets on account of age does not preclude firms in Nigeria from respecting Nigerian labor laws as they would not dare to do same openly in the other jurisdictions they work out of

aribs:
Point noted but for the organizations you pointed out , are these not specific programs dedicated to recruiting young professionals and not general employment criteria ? Just so you know the World Bank and IMF is not owned by the US so they are deemed as independent organizations with ability to fashion their own laws. The organizations you mention have immunity and do not have to follow any law of any country. The US specifically for instance does not allow for discrimination based on any ground such as race , religion etc. Why for instance would KPMG US hire a 30 year old intern and KPMG Nigeria will refuse same ? Is this based on Nigerian law or ILO conventions? Its discrimination and my issue is the lack of will to enforce what is in the books in Nigeria. They have been getting away with this for too long

Good question.

aribs:
I agree with the points made above to a large extent and yes I do know that the US has an overbearing influence on these organizations. Here is my point. I for instance , can go sue an organization which discriminates against me or before the Employment Commission and get a judgment (yes I have represented people here in court for that so I know ) because that is the law of the land In the US. Even my firm got sued for this . I know the prevailing practice to bring in young ones as opposed to being older but no one will ever advertise blatantly as these firms do in Nigeria and say you must be a certain age before even applying. It is always an advantage in doing something young BUT if I go by your logic , people like me who changed track (lawyer to economist ) can stand no chance in a place like Nigeria with the current labor practices. I do not think that is ideal at all. As you have mentioned , there are special programs for entry level interns etc which focus primarily on university seniors (no mention of age here) to have internship experience in banks, big 4 firms etc. As I interned here at EY US , no one asked me my age and I was a masters student with four years work experience from naija so I was not one of 'em youngins. The fact that there is subtle discrimination in the Wets on account of age does not preclude firms in Nigeria from respecting Nigerian labor laws as they would not dare to do same openly in the other jurisdictions they work out of

You have made some really valid & interesting points. In Nigeria, you need to realise that some of our own people, are the ones that give these multinationals, the impetus or inclination to implement such rules. When people talk about diversity in Nigeria, I often laugh because age discrimination is so very real, in the employment market, these days.

Some organisations have even structured their recruitment platforms to weed out people above a certain age, for specific roles. Yet, in many countries abroad you find much older people serving within that same role, and doing a great job of it. In my former company, our Group Regional Director based in the German office, had a PA. She was a 58 year old Swiss grandmother, who had worked for the firm for about 6 years. She was trendy, witty,sharp and quite knowledgeable about the operations, of the entire company.

She took a break from the corporate sector for years, to raise her kids and rejoined the workforce, after they were grown up. So she was hired as a PA, at the ripe age of 51 years. Would their Nigerian subsidiary do the same? Capital NO! Why? Down here, there is already a mindset, that such roles are only for a certain age group.

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