₦airaland Forum

bisi16:
JTU Aguiyi-Ironsi: If only he tried and killed the coup plotters of January 66, we would have achieved plenty as a country by now. If U know, u know.


I’ve singing this to everyone who wants to hear. Aguiyi Ironsi and Ojukwu put the Igbos in this mess.

The 5 majors were initially cheered by the general public and media organizations, so don't blame ironsi for not executing them immediately.

Sirjamo:
If you Want restructuring, go wake Ironsi from his grave and ask him what he was thinking when he aborted regionalism

I think its safe to say that igbos destroyed Nigeria

You guys are still peddling this age old lie?

Ironsi was the only military head of state who came in and kept the 4 Regions he met on the ground. All others like Gowon and this same IBB came in and subdivided Nigeria into states.

If IBB and others had kept the 4 Regions as Ironsi did, Nigeria would have returned to Regionalism whenever democracy returned.

The state creation exercise by Northerners destroyed the structural arrangement of Nigeria so if you want to blame anyone about the structure of Nigeria, blame them and not Ironsi

Before Moses aka ojukwu sent 3 million israelites to be slaughtered by the philistines of the north and west, Thunder fire ojukwu

BALLOSKI:
so, you people want to produce president? Not biafra anymore? The whole secession cry is to blackmail all of us into giving you presidency.

Presidency is earned, not given.

Chai

Xander85:
They were both naive and wanted to be more Nigerian than their contemporaries who were more their ethnic groups before considering Nigeria!

Can you imagine there has been no Igbo head of state or president since this man!? And it's all the more mind-boggling when you consider who where the personalities and what groups championed Nigerias' 'independence' and were visiting London for all those constitutional conferences in the 50s.

The reason for that was the first coup in Nigeria!!

Racoon:
Good old days of the Nigerian nation.Meanwhile that was Babangida in the grooming.

there is nothing like 'good old days'
BETTER DAYS AHEAD...

Babangida don tey ooo

BALLOSKI:
so, you people want to produce president? Not biafra anymore? The whole secession cry is to blackmail all of us into giving you presidency.

Presidency is earned, not given.

WAS EARNED BY UNRIGHTEOUS PPLE N SINNERS

BALLOSKI:
keep deceiving yourself.

In the last 20 years the Yoruba have produced a president and vice president. You belong to the people that are yet to get that in over 30 years . So, don't brag too much.

I guess this is an achievement..and it guarantee heaven and success in your endeavours..

Poverty of the mind is a curse

which ever tribe plotted the first coup in Nigeria destroyed all.....very greedy bunch....now they are beaten atntheir own very game and plot and the whole land wont have peace.... Awon ndi Ara gbogbo

which ever tribe plotted the first coup in Nigeria destroyed all.....very greedy bunch....now they are beaten at their own very game and plot and the whole land wont have peace.... Awon ndi Ara gbogbo

BALLOSKI:
so, you people want to produce president? Not biafra anymore? The whole secession cry is to blackmail all of us into giving you presidency.

Presidency is earned, not given.

Earned by doing what? Is it no longer Nigerians that gives the votes to a contestant?

I am assuming that in this thread nzeogwu is now Igbo to yorubas and nigerians alike....OK but once oil its involved now he becomes south south.

Xander85:
You schmucks find it so convenient to blame Ndigbo (that you've schemed out of power since 1966) for all the woes of your cursed country! It's not Hausa/Fulani or Yoruba fault but it's Igbos fault that Nigeria is a shithole abi?

Ironsi, as naive as he was, only played with the cards he was dealt. However, with the benefit of hindsight it's obvious he didn't appreciate fully the level of malcontent in the north, and this is borne out of the fact that his body guard was a northerner and he felt safe and cosy with his eventual killers right up to the time they pulled their guns out on him!

If you want to blame anyone, blame Nzeogwu and his fellow idealists who included soldiers from other ethnicities as well!

Just what is it that Igbos and Ironsi did in 1966 that you 'angels' can't undo 52 years after? Fact of the matter is you love the present status-quo in which Nigeria is operating a unitary form of gov't in all but name, as it means you can maintain your control of the cash cow of the country and hold other regions down to move at your own snail pace! This is why being president is the be-all-and-end-all for una!

In all your write up, you avoided the fact that it was Ironsi that unilaterally imposed the unity or centralised form of government on us. So who should we blame for destroying our regional structure?

Why should we blame Nzeogwu and co when his coup failed? Did Nzeogwu ever take over the government? If Ironsi was not complicit in the coup, why did he simply reinstall the regional governments after the coup and return the army back to the barracks?
O, he wanted to rule the whole of Nigeria.

We do not love the status quo, the political elites (from all regioins) love the status quo. It gives then unlimited power and access to the national purse.

BALLOSKI:
so, you people want to produce president? Not biafra anymore? The whole secession cry is to blackmail all of us into giving you presidency.

Presidency is earned, not given.

Why is it that peeps like you enjoy disturbing a sane conversation between two matured adults, can you just keep your thoughts to yourself and let others do the same??

horsepower101:
I am assuming that in this thread nzeogwu is now Igbo to yorubas and nigerians alike....OK but once oil its involved now he becomes south south.

don't mind the hypocrites

PHIPEX:
people like you think restructuring is a favour to Igbo's but that's where you are so wrong. Nigerian is poverty headquarters of the world but you think your tribesmen being president is your biggest target. Restructure to save your unborn children but no, you are more myopic in cutting your nose to spit your face.

My brother, leave them let them wallo in blind hate. Igbos will keep waxxing stronger.

When Babangida became a Major General, I doubt if any Lieutenant could come that close to him!

wirinet:
In all your write up, you avoided the fact that it was Ironsi that unilaterally imposed the unity or centralised form of government on us. So who should we blame for destroying our regional structure?

Why should we blame Nzeogwu and co when his coup failed? Did Nzeogwu ever take over the government? If Ironsi was not complicit in the coup, why did he simply reinstall the regional governments after the coup and return the army back to the barracks?
O, he wanted to rule the whole of Nigeria.

We do not love the status quo, the political elites (from all regioins) love the status quo. It gives then unlimited power and access to the national purse.

You also ignored the FACT that he (Ironsi) left the regions INTACT. It was GOWON that broke up the regions into 12 states by fiat in order to weaken the eastern region.

He only placed the civil service under military command because of the crisis in the nation at that time.

gidgiddy:
You guys are still peddling this age old lie?

Ironsi was the only military head of state who came in and kept the 4 Regions he met on the ground. All others like Gowon and this same IBB came in and subdivided Nigeria into states.

If IBB and others had kept the 4 Regions as Ironsi did, Nigeria would have returned to Regionalism whenever democracy returned.

The state creation exercise by Northerners destroyed the structural arrangement of Nigeria so if you want to blame anyone about the structure of Nigeria, blame them.and not Ironsi

False! The unification decree no. 34 of 1966, promulgated by General Ironsi destroyed the regional arrangement. He converted the 4 regions into 4 states and centralised all power in the federal government. From there it was easy to further subdivide the states by subsequent military heads of state.

If IBB had collapsed the 19 state structure he met back to 4 states created by Ironsi, Nigeria would still not have return to Regionalism, he needed to have promulgated a new decree to do that

Yyeske:
Let us call a spade what it is, eziokwu bu ndu(truth is life).
Igbos participated in making Nigeria what it is today.

Azikiwe rejected referendum and secession to be inserted into our constitution.

Nzeogwu and his colleagues led a one sided coup.

Ironsi created a unitary government and made the centre stronger than the regions, he didn't execute the coup plotters as expected in the military.

Ojukwu declared Biafra knowing fully well it's a declaration of war against Nigeria, no adequate preparation, weapon or foreign backup. That a pogrom was going on against Ndigbo in the north and Gowon desecrating the Aburi accord shouldn't had made him declare Biafra in a hurry without foreign backup and equipment, the US today would always go into a war with allies, we never had any.

Nnamdi Kanu brought his own madness into the mix by calling for the killing of Yorubas and Hausas, causing more friction between tribes.

Well spoken! The fact is nigerians lack objectivity in all w do. Whomever made the center strong started the derailment. Ojukwu regardless of his acclaimed love for us,should have planned better. Buhari should not have come in 83(blew d oppurtunity to right the wrong,albeit a very slow process,but it was worth d while). If the coup didnt happen,IBB(the destruction demon and the desolation angel).wouldnt have smelt power. Ibb drove d nail into d coffin that couriered us to this limbo.
The only solution to our problem is going back to regionalising nigeria. My opinion pls.

PHIPEX:
people like you think restructuring is a favour to Igbo's but that's where you are so wrong. Nigerian is poverty headquarters of the world but you think your tribesmen being president is your biggest target. Restructure to save your unborn children but no, you are more myopic in cutting your nose to spit your face.

Lord knows i will be the last person to vote any undeserving person as president simply because he is my tribesman


Thats why we are better than hausa and yoruba because we arent blinded by tribal sentiments in regards naija politics

horsepower101:
You also ignored the FACT that he (Ironsi) left the regions INTACT . It was GOWON that broke up the regions into 12 states by fiat in order to weaken the eastern region.

He only placed the civil service under military command because of the crisis in the nation at that time.

Lies. The unification decree no. 34 of 1966 destroyed the regions. Please read it.

Yyeske:
Let us call a spade what it is, eziokwu bu ndu(truth is life).
Igbos participated in making Nigeria what it is today.

Azikiwe rejected referendum and secession to be inserted into our constitution.

Nzeogwu and his colleagues led a one sided coup.

Ironsi created a unitary government and made the centre stronger than the regions, he didn't execute the coup plotters as expected in the military.

Ojukwu declared Biafra knowing fully well it's a declaration of war against Nigeria, no adequate preparation, weapon or foreign backup. That a pogrom was going on against Ndigbo in the north and Gowon desecrating the Aburi accord shouldn't had made him declare Biafra in a hurry without foreign backup and equipment, the US today would always go into a war with allies, we never had any.

Nnamdi Kanu brought his own madness into the mix by calling for the killing of Yorubas and Hausas, causing more friction between tribes.

You are speaking as though Ojukwu woke up one day without any provocation to declare biafra? When you want to condemn Ojukwu's action, atleast consider the totally unprovoked massacre of Igbo race severally in the north. As the leader of the eastern states, what other option is there to react to the senseless killings? Order killing back? He is no animal! So what other option is there? Cower and accept the continuous killings? Igbos we know are no cowards. His decision to succeed was the best line of action. His mistake probably was that he trusted a certain tribe so much to keep up to their end of an agreement. If that tribe didn't agree at first, he would have considered other options towards the succession declaration.

wirinet:
In all your write up, you avoided the fact that it was Ironsi that unilaterally imposed the unity or centralised form of government on us. So who should we blame for destroying our regional structure?

Why should we blame Nzeogwu and co when his coup failed? Did Nzeogwu ever take over the government? If Ironsi was not complicit in the coup, why did he simply reinstall the regional governments after the coup and return the army back to the barracks?
O, he wanted to rule the whole of Nigeria.

We do not love the status quo, the political elites (from all regioins) love the status quo. It gives then unlimited power and access to the national purse.

Centralizing government is not the same as destroying the regional structure. They are two different things. It is not possible for Ironsi to have destroyed the Regional structure since all 4 Regions were still existing even to the day Ironsi died.

It is one thing to change the system of governing, it is another to change the structure of the country. Gowon changed the structure of Nigeria by subdividing the 4 Regions he inherited from Ironsi into 12 states.

wirinet:
Lies. The unification decree no. 34 of 1966 destroyed the regions. Please read it.

Focusing on the decree while ignoring the context surrounding that decree is one of the most evil things Nigerians have done to Ironsi legacy.

A military man who saw chaos happening to his beloved country did what any person in his position will do and that was to first and foremost bring order to his country.

The easiest way to stop the national bleeding was to bring the regions under his control since their leaders were assassinated by a south south man.

gidgiddy:
Centralizing government is not the same as destroying the regional structure. They are two different things. It is not possible for Ironsi to have destroyed the Regional structure since all 4 Regions were still existing even to the day Ironsi died.

It is one thing to change the system of governing, it is another to change the structure of the country. Gowon changed the structure of Nigeria by subdividing the 4 Regions he inherited from Ironsi into 12 states.

God bless you

kennypoju04:
Hmmm..ironsi


the destroyers of our dear country due to their greediness..

Olodo... there's no such word as "Greediness"!

Yyeske:
Let us call a spade what it is, eziokwu bu ndu(truth is life).
Igbos participated in making Nigeria what it is today.

Azikiwe rejected referendum and secession to be inserted into our constitution.

Nzeogwu and his colleagues led a one sided coup.

Ironsi created a unitary government and made the centre stronger than the regions, he didn't execute the coup plotters as expected in the military.

Ojukwu declared Biafra knowing fully well it's a declaration of war against Nigeria, no adequate preparation, weapon or foreign backup. That a pogrom was going on against Ndigbo in the north and Gowon desecrating the Aburi accord shouldn't had made him declare Biafra in a hurry without foreign backup and equipment, the US today would always go into a war with allies, we never had any.

Nnamdi Kanu brought his own madness into the mix by calling for the killing of Yorubas and Hausas, causing more friction between tribes.

Granted, so for over 52 years of your ruling, you are still unable to undo whatever 'damage' you claim Ndigbo did back in 1966?

Lol. You admit you failed.

gidgiddy:
Centralizing government is not the same as destroying the regional structure. They are two different things. It is not possible for Ironsi to have destroyed the Regional structure since all 4 Regions were still existing even to the day Ironsi died.

It is one thing to change the system of governing, it is another to change the structure of the country. Gowon changed the structure of Nigeria by subdividing the 4 Regions he inherited from Ironsi into 12 states.

Regional government and centralised government are two diametrically opposite forms of government. Ironsi met 4 regions and left with 4 states.