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gidgiddy:
There is a video on YouTube about the launching/appeal fund for a library in Igbanke. What the Igbanke people did was to kick start the ceremony by blessIng the Kola in Ika, which is a dialect of Igbo. They also responded to the blessing of the Kola by chanting "Ise!". Only Igbo people would do this. Without doubt, the Igbankes are Igbos

This was never in contention, or was it?

Juliusmalema:
That he bears okogwu doesn't make him/her igbo.

That argument is trash.

it makes him what?
Even when he addressed himself as Igbo you are here arguing rubbish.

Akụkọ

You are one big deluded fellow.

do you remember the Edo greetings to the King ?
"Oba ghato Kpere !" which is followed by "Ise"

you have already decided that they are igbo and not Edo, facts come secondary to you, all you are doing is patching up some false logics to justify your predetermined conclusion. I am surprised that you didn't say: "their blood is red, therefor they ar Igbo".

gidgiddy:
There is a video on YouTube about the launching/appeal fund for a library in Igbanke. What the Igbanke people did was to kick start the ceremony by blessIng the Kola in Ika, which is a dialect of Igbo. They also responded to the blessing of the Kola by chanting "Ise!". Only Igbo people would do this. Without doubt, the Igbankes are Igbos

prolog2:
You are one big deluded fellow.

do you remember the Edo greetings to the King ?
"Oba ghato Kpere !" which is followed by "Ise"

you have already decided that they are igbo and not Edo, facts come secondary to you, all you are doing is patching up some false logics to justify your predetermined conclusion. I am surprised that you didn't say: "their blood is red, therefor they ar Igbo".

Only Igbos pray with Kolanut and answer 'Ise'. Also, why are they speaking Ika, which is a dialect of Igbo, rather than Bini?

gidgiddy:
Only Igbos pray with Kolanut and answer 'Ise'. Also, why are they speaking Ika, which is a dialect of Igbo, rather than Bini?

The Edos also love kola nuts and say Ise as a greeting to their King.
What exactly makes Ika a "dialect of igbo" ?
The fact is that many languages were spoken in the Benin Kingdom, just like in the roman empire, the greek empire, the ottoman empire, the russian empire ...
You guys calling yourselves "majority" are always quick to classify other peoples as being your people in order to claim their land.
My friend maps were made during the precolonial era and they are available for all to see.
Igbanke are Edo, deal with it !!!!!

prolog2:
The Edos also love kola nuts and say Ise as a greeting to their King.
What exactly makes Ika a "dialect of igbo" ?
The fact is that many languages were spoken in the Benin Kingdom, just like in the roman empire, the greek empire, the ottoman empire, the russian empire ...
You guys calling yourselves "majority" are always quick to classify other peoples as being your people in order to claim their land.
My friend maps were made during the precolonial era and they are available for all to see.
Igbanke are Edo, deal with it !!!!!

Your line of thought is clouded and mind closed up. You are not a rational being. stop this blind argument.

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prolog2:
The Edos are also fun of kola nuts and say Ise as a greeting to their King.
What exactly makes Ika a "dialect of igbo" ?
The fact is that many languages were spoken in the Benin Kingdom, just like in the roman empire, the greek empire, the ottoman empire, the russian empire ...
You guys calling yourselves "majority" are always quick to classify other peoples as being your people in order to claim their land.
My friend maps were made during the precolonial era and they are available for all to see.
Igbanke are Edo, deal with it !!!!!

What makes Ika a dialect of Igbo? Are you for real? Haven't you heard the language spoken? What did it sound like to you? It doesn't matter what languages were spoken in the Bini empire, it is not what makes people Edo. Nigeria was once part of the British empire, it didn't make Nigerians British. Igbanke are part of Ika and as long as Ika people speak Igbo and have Igbo names and culture, they are Igbos. The king of the Ika people is "Keagborekuzi Ikechukwu". Are you aware that these names are Igbo?

gidgiddy:
Nigeria was once part of the British empire, it didn't make Nigerians British.

Nigeria was actually created by the british empire.
You don't seem to understand that before the biritish conquest, there was nothing called nigeria.
Your false equivalences have no limits.
In the nigerian space, people are identified according to the precolonial country of their ancestors.
That is why all Anioma are Edo.

Thanks18:
Your line of thought is clouded and mind closed up. You are not a rational being. stop this blind argument.

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Your adjectifs apply better to yourself than to me.
The fact is you guys have already made up your minds.
Facts don't matter to you.
You are just like boko haram which has concluded that the earth is flat.
Facts don't matter to dumb people.

prolog2:
Your adjectifs apply better to yourself than to me.
The fact is you guys have already made up your minds.
Facts don't matter to you.
You are just like boko haram which has concluded that the earth is flat.
Facts don't matter to dumb people.

Young man, I will not like to join issues with you as it will be unproductive doing so. I am here to read comments, learning from rational ones and sieving out beer parlour analysis and junks. Facts are established by credible inquiry, authorities and reliable sources as food for rational and open minded fellows and not for lettered illiterate whose sense of judgement are beclouded by petty sentiments, bigotry and age held superstition. My friend, do yourself a favour by keeping quiet and better argue rather with your keyboard and google.
"The Ika people are found in Ika South and Ika North East Local Government Areas of Delta State and the Igbanke area of Edo State in Nigeria. The Ika people speak Ika language which is a dialect of Igbo language. [1] They share borders linguistically in the west with the Edo speakers, in the north with the
Ishan speakers, in the East with the
Enuani speakers and in the south with the Ukwale speakers.[2]"
Sources: Wikipedia


1. ^ https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-the-international-phonetic-association/article/ika-igbo/31F6B1E469936708591E4700BA91B8DF#ref003.html
2. ^ http://www.ikaworld.com/index.php?mod=article&cat=IkaHistoryamp;Tradition&article=207 Archived 2016-03-13 at the Wayback Machine.
I am through with you. Good night

Thanks18:
Young man, I will not like to join issues with you as it will be unproductive doing so. I am here to read comments, learning from rational ones and sieving out beer parlour analysis and junks. Facts are for rational and open minded fellows and not for lettered illiterate whose sense of judgement are beclouded by petty sentiments, bigotry and age held superstition. My friend, do yourself a favour by keeping quiet and better argue rather with your keyboard and google.
"The Ika people are found in Ika South and Ika North East Local Government Areas of Delta State and the Igbanke area of Edo State in Nigeria. The Ika people speak Ika language which is a dialect of Igbo language. [1] They share borders linguistically in the west with the Edo speakers, in the north with the
Ishan speakers, in the East with the
Enuani speakers and in the south with the Ukwale speakers.[2]"
Source: Wikipedia

I am through with you. Good night

A guy quoting wikipedia and yet calling me "young man".
What kind of slowpoke quotes wikipedia ?
For your info, Bendel is the center of Benin Kingdom.
Look, you are an ignoramus, deal with it !
Anioma are Edo, deal with it !!!!

SO you guys are at it again with Delta Igbo....whether they be Igbo or not. In fact some Chinedus from this ANioma state will deny their Igboness, especially in the site of Yoruba or Bini babes.....


Anyway, Igbo bu Igbo, and if not, then Biafrans bu Biafrans. SHame that we are still running mouth about who is who when those that are oppressing us dont give 2 phucks about dialect and tag all of us as the SAME.....

prolog2:
A guy quoting wikipedia and yet calling me "young man".
What kind of slowpoke quotes wikipedia ?
For your info, Bendel is the center of Benin Kingdom.
Look, you are an ignoramus, deal with it !
Anioma are Edo, deal with it !!!!

Aniomas have edoish ancestry, seconded.

But to summarize everything, let's just say anioma is a fringe tribe. You can't have cold and hot water side by side there will always be lukewarm water in the middle.
In the same way you can't have edo and igbo side by side, there will always be edoish igbo. So anioma is edoish igbo, a fringe tribe or a transition tribe. If you wish

Wow

Ugo4hotish:
you are a Yoruba fool, shut up.
we Aniomas are 100% igbo. Benin may have tampered with those living close to them

OH and you are right, I did grow up in Yoruba land. So a Yoruba, I may be, a fool, I am not.

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prolog2:
The Edos also love kola nuts and say Ise as a greeting to their King.
What exactly makes Ika a "dialect of igbo" ?
The fact is that many languages were spoken in the Benin Kingdom, just like in the roman empire, the greek empire, the ottoman empire, the russian empire ...
You guys calling yourselves "majority" are always quick to classify other peoples as being your people in order to claim their land.
My friend maps were made during the precolonial era and they are available for all to see.
Igbanke are Edo, deal with it !!!!!

Bros, Igbo speakers understand Ika perfectly.
And Ika speakers understand Igbo perfectly.
Are you under the influence of the Daura Dvllard??

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prolog2:
they are Edo as shown in all precolonial maps.
The truth hurts, deal with it !

The Igbanke have repeatedly stated that they aren't Edo nor do they speak the language of Edo people.

prolog2:
Nigeria was actually created by the british empire.
You don't seem to understand that before the biritish conquest, there was nothing called nigeria.
Your false equivalences have no limits.
In the nigerian space, people are identified according to the precolonial country of their ancestors.
That is why all Anioma are Edo.

Young man stop typing rubbish Aniomas are not Edo, rather Ignoble are Anioma
http://aniomageorgia.org/about-us/2573-2/

gboxbaba:
The problem is the igbo identity is so negative right now. Only those with no other option identify as one.
Talk about the greed, the dominating nature, the excessive love of money, the 80% probability that an igbo business partner will cheat you, and the list goes on and on.

Luckily for me I have a choice, to choose my identity, I identify as anything but igbo, call me bendelian, call me anioman, call me bini. I don't care, anything but igbo.

Yet the most important world known personalities in Nigeria today are Igbos.

Chimamanda Adichie is Igbo
Mikel Obi is Igbo
Recently, a group of Igbo girls from Anambra won an international scientific competition.
Genevieve Nnaji with her Lionhearth wave making movie is Igbo.

The list is endless. But I chose to stick with current ones.

The Igbo identity is one associated with excellence and high achievement.
Which is why it attracts jealousy, envy and strive from never do wells all over Nigeria.

Those with Igbo sounding names who deny Igbo, do so because they fear they can't compete with other Igbos in excellence, so they felt its better to be something else than Igbo, and they hide their inferiority complex by becoming Igbophobic.

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We Are All Igbos!
I CAN'T POSSIBLY SPEAK AND BARE IGBO NAMES, AND CLAIM NOT TO BE IGBO!
My name is Oriahi Anthony kikachukwu.
I am from Agbor. I speak Agbor dialect of Ika language. My name as listed above is an amalgamation of Bini, English and Igbo. So where am i from? Who am i? Obviously am not an Englishman. If my ancestors are from bini, how come the names of our physiological features , our food and diets are Igbo? While we may not necessary be from across the Niger, available evidence indicates that we the Agbor and the Ika people as a whole and the Igbos have thesame origin .
It is not possible for me to speak Igbo and still claim not to be Igbo.
It is not possible for me to speak Igbo and claim to come from bini.
The bini empire influenced us by conquest, and that is why share some little things like names and some words.
Ika people are Igbos
Agbor people are Igbos.
Oweni onye Agbor ra asu Edo. Anyi ra asu Igbo. Igbo wu asusu anyi!
____My name is Oriahi Anthony kikachukwu.
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Factsdigest.com

TundeBricklayer:
Young man stop typing rubbish Aniomas are not Edo, rather Ignoble are Anioma
http://aniomageorgia.org/about-us/2573-2/

prolog2 is being inspired by El-Dullardeen in Aso Rock.
Nothing surprising about his intellectual ability here .


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pazienza:
Yet the most important world known personalities in Nigeria today are Igbos.

Chimamanda Adichie is Igbo
Mikel Obi is Igbo
Recently, a group of Igbo girls from Anambra won an international scientific competition.
Genevieve Nnaji with her Lionhearth wave making movie is Igbo.

The list is endless. But I chose to stick with current ones.

The Igbo identity is one associated with excellence and high achievement.
Which is why it attracts jealousy, envy and strive from never do wells all over Nigeria.

Those with Igbo sounding names who deny Igbo, do so because they fear they can't compete with other Igbos in excellence, so they felt its better to be something else than Igbo, and they hide their inferiority complex by becoming Igbophobic.

I agree and disagree, because some (not all) ANioma and even Ikwerre dont identify with Igbo because Igbo themselves dont all identify with Igbo.

WHen your governors are proscribing a group meant to heal and help the people then why would others like you in other zones identify with you when there are options? Those you mention above that are doing “well” are doing well for ONLY Nigeria because they have been conditioned to work for the power structure ruling, instead of doing well as and for Igbo (or Biafran). That is why the best and brightest Igbo (aka Iweala) are recruited by the Nigerian power brokers to serve them and they (Igbo) are more than happy to do so.

Remember Ojo Maduekwe writing the stinky letter to Buhari during OBJ’s tenure....to the current Kenneth Okonkwo’s “Buhari is the only blah blah” ....talkless of Innosen now making tanks for his masters....and on and on.

Yoruba and Arewa dont care about Igbo or Igbo kids, and sadly, Igbo dont care for their kids political or group empowerment as well- except those who are supporting an independent nation publicly or privately

pazienza:
Yet the most important world known personalities in Nigeria today are Igbos.

Chimamanda Adichie is Igbo
Mikel Obi is Igbo
Recently, a group of Igbo girls from Anambra won an international scientific competition.
Genevieve Nnaji with her Lionhearth wave making movie is Igbo.

The list is endless. But I chose to stick with current ones.

The Igbo identity is one associated with excellence and high achievement.
Which is why it attracts jealousy, envy and strive from never do wells all over Nigeria.

Those with Igbo sounding names who deny Igbo, do so because they fear they can't compete with other Igbos in excellence, so they felt its better to be something else than Igbo, and they hide their inferiority complex by becoming Igbophobic.

You only added to the reasons of the Igbophobic people with this pomposity. I'm not sure how the logic holds up either that people reject the Igbo identity because it's associated with excellence. Surely, if the Igbo identity is associated with excellence, then they'd want to associate with it. Why do you think many Igbos like linking our heritage with Jews (a farce I find very irritating)? Because Jewish people are a highly accomplished, resourceful, enterprising, thrifty, influential group.

Some Anioma groups reject the Igbo identity because they have complex histories which straddle different heritages, so they consider it simplistic to distill their essence to Igbo-ness. I can't really call Jim Ovia an Igbo man. He bears an Edoid name and like many Agbor/Ika sub-groups, his language probably sounds more Edoid than Igboid. The Anioma culture is more diverse and complicated than many Igbos make out. It should be possible to acknowledge cultural ties without looking to subsume a sub-culture into a larger one. Itsekiris acknowledge their Yoruboid and Edoid ties but still retain a distinct identity, so why not an Ika man. Oh, and Aniomas are themselves one of the most accomplished groups in Nigeria. They have nothing to "fear" in competing with anyone, anywhere.
Ikwerre Igbo denial looks more politically motivated, but is another story for another day.

One issue also that contributes to this division is a unique sickness I find among Igbos for petty internal squabbling. Not just between "core Igbos" from the SE and Igboid SS groups, but within the self-acknowledged core Igbos. I find it disturbing everytime I read a Nairaland thread on any SE state devolve into petty chestbeating squabbles with the usual characters involved: with Anambra groups being the most guilty of provocations of others. This is an entirely unique Igbo thing. Yorubas on Nairaland for example might have APC vs PDP arguments, but rarely would you see Ogun people for example attacking Ekiti people, or Oyo and Osun people squabbling about who is the dirtier, poorer state. That's a uniquely Igbo mental illness. I was utterly disgusted the other day where in a thread about Bianca's Senate run, at least 4 Anambrarians I counted said she should go and run for Senate in "her Enugu state", delegitimizing her as an Anambra daughter. And the clowns got plenty of "likes" and "shares" for the stewpidity. You would rarely hear Yorubas utter rubbish like that. Yorubas have internal conflicts but I find an admirable liberalism among them and a Yoruba consciousness that means you are Yoruba FIRST before anything else: Muslim, Christian, Ondo, Kwara or whatever. You are Yoruba first. That is why seemingly every Yoruba politician is a Muslim married to a Christian while in some Igbo communities even fellow Christians, especially Catholics and Anglicans are sworn enemies: like in my hometown Oraukwu which has a big Catholic/Anglican divide, with the church in our hometown threatening sanctions against my parents when my sister, a Catholic, sought to marry an Anglican from Obosi. It didn't matter that they were both Igbos. Both Anambrarians. Both from the same Idemili North LGA. Both educated people who knew each other since before they went to UNN together. The essence of their union was distilled by bigots into a petty squabble over their different denominations. This is how Imo and Abia sacked each others non-indigenous civil servants. Enugu did the same to Anambrarians long ago. There is internal distrust among Igbos you simply don't see among other tribes. I remember when I was in UNN and plenty of Anambra people I knew (with their usual annoying arrogance) loved to ridicule Enugu people, with their favorite targets being umu Nsukka.

Some of these Igboid groups observe these internal dynamics and they sense something toxic. They feel like since they aren't "core SE Igbos", they're viewed as 2nd class Igbos. And I have heard plenty of disparaging language from SE Igbos about SS Igbo/Igboid groups which the latter also return. So the mutual resentment is there and it is caused by both sides. Igbos in some ways are peaceful. We're not a violent tribe and go about our business peacefully. But we're also arrogant with a myopic clannishness and this manifests not just in our cultural dysfunction, but in our political failures as a group.

If you claim some SS Igboid groups reject the Igbo identity due to "jealousy" and all that. You have only gone ahead to confirm why they want nothing to do with people who look down on them.

pazienza:
Yet the most important world known personalities in Nigeria today are Igbos.

Chimamanda Adichie is Igbo
Mikel Obi is Igbo
Recently, a group of Igbo girls from Anambra won an international scientific competition.
Genevieve Nnaji with her Lionhearth wave making movie is Igbo.

The list is endless. But I chose to stick with current ones.

The Igbo identity is one associated with excellence and high achievement.
Which is why it attracts jealousy, envy and strive from never do wells all over Nigeria.

Those with Igbo sounding names who deny Igbo, do so because they fear they can't compete with other Igbos in excellence, so they felt its better to be something else than Igbo, and they hide their inferiority complex by becoming Igbophobic.

I have to disagree with you here
Oliseh Ogochukwu denied Igbo but that doesn't make him unsuccessful.

Pazienza you of all people should know aniomas are one of the most accomplished group in Nigeria whether we deny being Igbo or not.

Obi1kenobi:
[s]One issue also that contributes to this division is a unique sickness I find among Igbos for petty internal squabbling. Not just between "core Igbos" from the SE and Igboid SS groups, but within the self-acknowledged core Igbos. I find it disturbing everytime I read a Nairaland thread on any SE state devolve into petty chestbeating squabbles with the usual characters involved: with Anambra groups being the most guilty of provocations of others. This is an entirely unique Igbo thing. Yorubas on Nairaland for example might have APC vs PDP arguments, but rarely would you see Ogun people for example attacking Ekiti people, or Oyo and Osun people squabbling about who is the dirtier, poorer state. That's a uniquely Igbo mental illness. I was utterly disgusted the other day where in a thread about Bianca's Senate run, at least 4 Anambrarians I counted said she should go and run for Senate in "her Enugu state", delegitimizing her as an Anambra daughter. And the clowns got plenty of "likes" and "shares" for the stewpidity. You would rarely hear Yorubas utter rubbish like that. Yorubas have internal conflicts but I find an admirable liberalism among them and a Yoruba consciousness that means you are Yoruba FIRST before anything else: Muslim, Christian, Ondo, Kwara or whatever. You are Yoruba first. That is why seemingly every Yoruba politician is a Muslim married to a Christian while in some Igbo communities even fellow Christians, especially Catholics and Anglicans are sworn enemies: like in my hometown Oraukwu which has a big Catholic/Anglican divide, with the church in our hometown threatening sanctions against my parents when my sister, a Catholic, sought to marry an Anglican from Obosi. It didn't matter that they were both Igbos. Both Anambrarians. Both from the same Idemili North LGA. Both educated people who knew each other since before they went to UNN together. The essence of their union was distilled by bigots into a petty squabble over their different denominations. This is how Imo and Abia sacked each others non-indigenous civil servants. Enugu did the same to Anambrarians long ago. There is internal distrust among Igbos you simply don't see among other tribes. I remember when I was in UNN and plenty of Anambra people I knew (with their usual annoying arrogance) loved to ridicule Enugu people, with their favorite targets being umu Nsukka.

Some of these Igboid groups observe these internal dynamics and they sense something toxic. They feel like since they aren't "core SE Igbos", they're viewed as 2nd class Igbos. And I have heard plenty of disparaging language from SE Igbos about SS Igbo/Igboid groups which the latter also return. So the mutual resentment is there and it is caused by both sides. Igbos in some ways are peaceful. We're not a violent tribe and go about our business peacefully. But we're also arrogant with a myopic clannishness and this manifests not just in our cultural dysfunction, but in our political failures as a group.

If you claim some SS Igboid groups reject the Igbo identity due to "jealousy" and all that. You have only gone ahead to confirm why they want nothing to do with people who look down on them.[/s]

Rubbish
Stop fooling yourself, during 2015 election Ambode state of origin took center stage, same Lagos indigenes are still questioning Tinubu state not minding Lagos is a cosmopolitan state, Yorubas hate themselves more than Igbos, Igbos can yab themselves but never fight or kill themselves, they are united more than any tribe in Nigeria, go to various markets in Nigeria and beyond, every Sunday they unite and hold various town meetings across all states, coming together during new yam and end of the year meetings. We know how Christians, traditional worshippers fight themselves in west, even how Obas fight themselves, how Yorubas fight Eguns, may be I should remind you how Ondo parents doesn't what their children to marry Ijebu people. Can you show me and link where Catholics and Anglicans are killing themselves in the east or where Anambra people killing Ebonyians, don't take because of two more inconsequential idiots displaying online to condem others, Igbo unity that's what made them recover so quick after the war No tribe is perfect

TundeBricklayer:
Rubbish
Stop fooling yourself, during 2015 election Ambode state of origin took center stage, same Lagos indigenes are still questioning Tinubu state not minding Lagos is a cosmopolitan state, Yorubas hate themselves more than Igbos, Igbos can yab themselves but never fight or kill themselves, they are united more than any tribe in Nigeria, go to various markets in Nigeria and beyond, every Sunday they unite and hold various town meetings across all states, coming together during new yam and end of the year meetings. We know how Christians, traditional worshippers fight themselves in west, even how Obas fight themselves, how Yorubas fight Eguns, may be I should remind you how Ondo parents doesn't what their children to marry Ijebu people. Can you show me and link where Catholics and Anglicans are killing themselves in the east or where Anambra people killing Ebonyians, don't take because of two more inconsequential idiots displaying online to condem others, Igbo unity that's what made them recover so quick after the war No tribe is perfect

Your analysis is intelligent and fair with a lot of references to back them up. That few insignificant mass of ndigbo displayed their online/media rantings against others is never the correct picture of the situations. It is fallacious and misleading to assume such.

Obi1kenobi:
You only added to the reasons of the Igbophobic people with this pomposity. I'm not sure how the logic holds up either that people reject the Igbo identity because it's associated with excellence. Surely, if the Igbo identity is associated with excellence, then they'd want to associate with it. Why do you think many Igbos like linking our heritage with Jews (a farce I find very irritating)? Because Jewish people are a highly accomplished, resourceful, enterprising, thrifty, influential group.

Some Anioma groups reject the Igbo identity because they have complex histories which straddle different heritages, so they consider it simplistic to distill their essence to Igbo-ness. I can't really call Jim Ovia an Igbo man. He bears an Edoid name and like many Agbor/Ika sub-groups, his language probably sounds more Edoid than Igboid. The Anioma culture is more diverse and complicated than many Igbos make out. It should be possible to acknowledge cultural ties without looking to subsume a sub-culture into a larger one. Itsekiris acknowledge their Yoruboid and Edoid ties but still retain a distinct identity, so why not an Ika man. Oh, and Aniomas are themselves one of the most accomplished groups in Nigeria. They have nothing to "fear" in competing with anyone, anywhere.
Ikwerre Igbo denial looks more politically motivated, but is another story for another day.

I agree with almost everything you said except the Jim ovia part.
ovia is the ika word for forest. In Igbo izugbe it is ohia.The V and H factor is present here.

And it is normal for clans at the fringes of igboland to share words with their non-igbo neighbors.

There are still people in the nsukka axis that bears igala/idoma names such as Onoja to name a few.

For an Igbo person to bear Onoja as surname doesn't make him less igbo.