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nihilistjnr:
when I'm talking about supporting cast, I'm talking about constituent members of the team surrounding the player in question.

I'm not talking about main man or Batman or Darkseid.

Now you wan start to dey turn amala. The one wey you do yesterday never reach.

You really need to look up the meaning of "supporting cast".

nihilistjnr:
All these names and long talk just to contest that number 5 and number 7 are not close enough in talent?

You have sha agreed with me. That's all I needed from you egbon.

Bros you were the one that joined my camp.

We now both agree that Philip Osondu,Stanley Okoro and Hazard are of the same talent level like I said all along. So you now accepting what I initially postulated means you now agree with me.

I appreciate that bro. Thanks gaan

The Hazard/Messi debate is still just that, a debate. No agreement there.

pkasso:
Now you wan start to dey turn amala. The one wey you do yesterday never reach.

You really need to look up the meaning of "supporting cast".

definition of supporting cast is irrelevant.

context of usage is key.

or am I to assume that you really think I'm sweating over a bucket of elubo and water right now?

nihilistjnr:
definition of supporting cast is irrelevant.

context of usage is key.

or am I to assume that you really think I'm sweating over a bucket of elubo and water right now?

There is no point in us arguing any further since we can't even agree on what we think a supporting cast is.

So, case closed

afrodoc:
Bros you were the one that joined my camp.

We now both agree that Philip Osondu,Stanley Okoro and Hazard are of the same talent level like I said all along. So you now accepting what I initially postulated means you now agree with me.

I appreciate that bro. Thanks gaan

The Hazard/Messi debate is still just that, a debate. No agreement there.

This is what you said.

afrodoc:
Zaha is on the same talent level as Hazard.

If only he had Hazard’s supporting cast AND mentality he would be as good if not better than Hazard.

Manga Mohammed, Philip Osondu, and Femi Opabunmi as well.

All on Hazard’s talent level but sadly derailed by lack of a supporting cast and/or mentality.

and you came to that conclusion using my argument in bold

simple logical induction

If Stanley Okoro = Hazard

and Hazard = Messi

Then Stanley Okoro = Messi.

So like I said earlier, thanks for agreeing with me.

pkasso:
There is no point in us arguing any further since we can't even agree on what we think a supporting cast is.

So, case closed

If we're discussing individual players, then the supporting cast is simply defined in reference to that player.

That's hardly rocket science or a perversion of logic.

it's not as if I hadn't made the same argument before.

See below:

nihilistjnr:
Messi has not won Balon Dor for any thing he has done outside Barca and that's the point

Even Ororo had to win UCL with Madrid the year he won Euros for his Balon Dor to be guaranteed.

Talent alone is not enough to win you Balon Dor...you need the team mates around you that allow you to express yourself.

When you have good team mates, they can synergise with your talents and propel you to great things

e.g Ediots like Morata and Bemzema are propelled to 4 league wins and 2 UCL and 3 UCL respectively

Average guys like Pedro win 5 league wins and 3 UCL

Really good players like Neymar take 2 laliga and 1 UCL plus a place on the podium

and then the greats like Ororo and Messi gobble up all the Balon dors.


Remove the first category of players from that team and you have the Morata of today

Remove the second category of players and you have the Pedro of today. Maybe I add piano man here too.

Remove the third category and you have Neymar in France and Pogba of today.

Ororo don dey toil now, and Messi can't find joy ooutside Spain

Let Messi or Ororo come and win Balon dor with Victor Moses as a teammate, before you criticise Hazard

nihilistjnr:
This is what you said.



and you came to that conclusion using my argument in bold

simple logical induction

If Stanley Okoro = Hazard

and Hazard = Messi

Then Stanley Okoro = Messi.

So like I said earlier, thanks for agreeing with me.

Here is where you missed the boat.

We BOTH agreed that Stanley Okoro = Hazard
but we did not agree that Hazard=Messi.

The only agreement is that Hazard and Okoro have the same talent level but just different mentality and supporting cast.

Hazard vs Messi was never agreed on.

Thanks for seeing the light and agreeing with me that Hazard and Dahiru Sadi have the same talent level bro.
Salud!

afrodoc:
Here is where you missed the boat.

We BOTH agreed that Stanley Okoro = Hazard
but we did not agree that Hazard=Messi.

The only agreement is that Hazard and Okoro have the same talent level but just different mentality and supporting cast.

Hazard vs Messi was never agreed on.

Thanks for seeing the light and agreeing with me that Hazard and Dahiru Sadi have the same talent level bro.
Salud!

you used the same logic I used to compare Hazard to Messi.


If you're using that logic, then you have agreed that Messi and Hazard are in the same skill bracket.

shikena.

nihilistjnr:
you used the same logic I used to compare Hazard to Messi.


If you're using that logic, then you have agreed that Messi and Hazard are in the same skill bracket.

shikena.

Using that logic does not mean one can compare everything under the sun. The talent level has to be equal for the logic to work.

You in your wisdom assessed the talent level of Stanley Okoro, Philip Osondu, Zaha and Gael Kakuta and AGREED that the only difference between them and Hazard was supporting cast and mentality as the talent was equal.

So we AGREED on Hazard being Okoro and Ikedia level. You agreed with me


I still state that Hazard has far lower talent than Messi, so alas the logic can’t work for him.

We DO NOT agree on this.

Thanks bro for seeing the Hazard/Zaha/Manga Mohammed issue my way finally.

AMALANOMICS!!!!!

afrodoc:
Using that logic does not mean one can compare everything under the sun. The talent level has to be equal for the logic to work.

You in your wisdom assessed the talent level of Stanley Okoro, Philip Osondu, Zaha and Gael Kakuta and AGREED that the only difference between them and Hazard was supporting cast and mentality as the talent was equal.

So we AGREED on Hazard being Okoro and Ikedia level. You agreed with me


I still state that Hazard has far lower talent than Messi, so alas the logic can’t work for him.

We DO NOT agree on this.

Thanks bro for seeing the Hazard/Zaha/Manga Mohammed issue my way finally.

I don't know Phillip osondu or any of the names you mentioned there abeg. You made those assertions based on the logic I used to compare Messi and Hazard.

I trust my logic, so if you agree enough with my logic to use it in your own assertions, then I see it as someone agreeing with my postulation and simply using it to pay homage to my brilliance.

I thank you for that and I can agree with you franchising my logic

nihilistjnr:
I don't know Phillip osondu or any of the names you mentioned there abeg. You made those assertions based on the logic I used to compare Messi and Hazard.

I trust my logic, so if you agree enough with my logic to use it in your own assertions, then I see it as someone agreeing with my postulation and simply using it to pay homage to my brilliance.

I thank you for that and I can agree with you franchising my logic

Thanks for agreeing with me on the Hazard/Manga Mohammed/Snodgrass issue bro.
Big ups to you for that.

Unfortunately Hazard can’t use that logic in his favour as his talent level is below Messi.

I can agree with you though that Hazard with the right mentality and cast could be nearly as good as Neymar or Mbappe.

afrodoc:
Thanks for agreeing with me on the Hazard/Manga Mohammed/Snodgrass issue bro.

I have not agreed with you on anything.

You are the one who used my own logic to formulate your argument that Stanley Okoro = Hazard.

So like I said earlier

nihilistjnr:
Nah thank you for agreeing with me.

nihilistjnr:
well too bad for them

Maybe they should look for Sarri to come and coach them during the week when they play on the coal far pitches in the jungles of Benin city. Maybe he would able to do for them what he seems to be doing for Hazard.

After several posts it is now you are claiming you did not agree? hehehe, the above is what you said. Your thoughts there showed you believed Sarri could transform them to Hazard.

We agreed generically that if 2 players have the SAME TALENT LEVEL their mentality and supporting cast could decide who succeeds and who fails.

So when i mentioned Ikedia, Okoro, Ndidi, Dahiru and Zaha you with your great knowledge of football assessed their talent and AGREED that if Sarri coached them they would be like Hazard since they have the same talent level as Hazard.

That is why i did not mention Chikelue Iloanusi, Edward Aranka, Egwuatu Oliseh and even Furo Iyenemi who are obviously less talented than Hazard. The logic would not hav worked for them.

Unfortunately for Hazard he has WAY WAY LESS TALENT than Messi so even with supporting cast, foundation stone and even opomulero he can never perform to Messi's level.

Thanks bro for agreeing that Hazard is just Stanley Okoro with mentality and supporting cast.

nihilistjnr:
I don't know Phillip osondu or any of the names you mentioned there abeg. You made those assertions based on the logic I used to compare Messi and Hazard.

I trust my logic, so if you agree enough with my logic to use it in your own assertions, then I see it as someone agreeing with my postulation and simply using it to pay homage to my brilliance.

I thank you for that and I can agree with you franchising my logic

SMH

afrodoc2:
After several posts it is now you are claiming you did not agree? hehehe, the above is what you said. Your thoughts there showed you believed Sarri could transform them to Hazard.

We agreed generically that if 2 players have the SAME TALENT LEVEL their mentality and supporting cast could decide who succeeds and who fails.

So when i mentioned Ikedia, Okoro, Ndidi, Dahiru and Zaha you with your great knowledge of football assessed their talent and AGREED that if Sarri coached them they would be like Hazard since they have the same talent leve as Hazard.

That is why i did not mention Chikelue Iloanusi, Edward Aranka, Egwuatu Oliseh and even Furo Iyenemi who are obviously less talented than Hazard. The logic would not hav worked for them.

Unfortunately for Hazard he has WAY WAY LESS TALENT than Messi so even with supporting cast, foundation stone and even opomulero he can never perform to Messi's level.

Thanks bro for agreeing that Hazard is just Stanley Okoro with mentality and supporting cast.

All of this story to hang on a statement that begins with MAYBE?

See definition of maybe below:

Adverb
maybe (not comparable)

Modifies a verb, indicating a lack of certainty.
(as a pro-sentence) Perhaps that is true (expressing no commitment to a decision or a neutral viewpoint to a statement).

My brother you are the one who used my formula...and I am flattered but I have not agreed with you in any way.
This is a one way relationship. I am the landlord, and by borrowing my logic for your purposes, you are a tenant

Thank you for your custom

nihilistjnr:
All of this story to hang on a statement that begins with MAYBE?

See definition of maybe below:

Adverb
maybe (not comparable)

Modifies a verb, indicating a lack of certainty.
(as a pro-sentence) Perhaps that is true (expressing no commitment to a decision or a neutral viewpoint to a statement).

My brother you are the one who used my formula...and I am flattered but I have not agreed with you in any way.
This is a one way relationship. I am the landlord, and by borrowing my logic for your purposes, you are a tenant

Thank you for your custom

I used your logic to make you believe that Sarri could make people of Hazard's talent level like Tarila Okorowanta and Julius Akpele into Hazard.
Yes i agree with you, it is very possible.
Maybe Sarri can coach Wasiu Ipaye and he will be as good as Hazard, and maybe he will coach Dimeji Lawal and he will be better than Hazard.

Bu there are no ifs or buts in the Hazard/Messi debate. Using your logic, there is NO WAY Hazard can be as good as Messi as he is soooo inferior in talent.

Thanks again for lending me your logic bro, i am done with it. You can have it back.

afrodoc2:
I used your logic

That was the logic i used to compare Hazard to Messi.

So thank you for agreeing with me and paying homage to the brilliance of Hazard

Dazall...

nihilistjnr:
That was the logic i used to compare Hazard to Messi.

So thank you for agreeing with me and paying homage to the brilliance of Hazard

Dazall...

I leave you as you contemplate the possibility of Stanley Okoro and Waheed Akanni being better than Hazard under Sarri.

As you said yourself MAYBE they will be as good as (or even better than) him sef, who knows. Only difference is mentality and supporting cast.
Talent na the same.

Unfortunately even Julius Berger sef can't support 8 goals and raise it to 100 goals.

afrodoc2:
I leave you as you contemplate the possibility of Stanley Okoro and Waheed Akanni being better than Hazard under Sarri.

As you said yourself MAYBE they will be as good as (or even better than) him sef, who knows. Only difference is mentality and supporting cast.
Talent na the same.

Unfortunately even Julius Berger sef can't support 8 goals and raise it to 100 goals.

I dont know who these people are, so if you say they are as good as hazard, that's on you bro.

My own is that, if you're using my logic in your arguments, then by definition you agree with me, so thank you once again for paying homage, and do have a wonderful day

I swear I no sabi all these names bar some Wey Afrodoc2 dey type for fun o



2 old men dragging the Amala turning stick

nihilistjnr:
I dont know who these people are, so if you say they are as good as hazard, that's on you bro.

My own is that, if you're using my logic in your arguments, then by definition you agree with me, so thank you once again for paying homage, and do have a wonderful day

I didn't want to hurt your feelings bro, but i have to come out and say it. Your theory was decent but flawed, so improved on it just like Dalton improved on Democritus atomic theory.

Most of your postulates are sound but your parameters were a little off. So i standardized it and gave better evidence in terms of names like Amir Angwe, Clement Temile, and Victor Igbinoba who are on Hazard's talent level.

It was wonderful to see you AGREE that it was possible for these players to perform like Hazard under Sarri.

The theory does not work with players of dissimilar talent level. So the same way it can't work for Sam Elijah vs Hazard it can't work for Hazard vs Messi.


You are welcome bro, and good night. It is almost 2 am here.

Salud!

Skimpledawg:
I swear I no sabi all these names bar some Wey Afrodoc2 dey type for fun o



2 old men dragging the Amala turning stick

Na here we dey all weekend. We go turn the amala into chyme.

afrodoc2:
It was wonderful to see you AGREE that it was possible for these players to perform like Hazard under Sarri.

I did not agree anything.

I said Maybe
See definition of the word Maybe below:

adverb
You can say maybe as a response to a question or remark, when you do not want to agree or disagree.

The only person that agreed anything is the guy that used my theory to formulate his own argument.

Good morning bro

afrodoc2:
Na here we dey all weekend. We go turn the amala into chyme.

Kai, with all due respect, una 2 no well

Laugh don finish me for this cold weather

Nihilistjnr just give up Make we rest

Everybody don kukuma leave the matter for nihi and afrodoc.

But the kain names wen afrodoc dey dish dey kill me with laff.

Coutinho14:
what does this mean is there a better dribbler than Messi? so according to you, hazard creates more scoring chances than Messi ba? well one is the goat while the other is irrelevant to d football world

i thought you would have brought facts to dispute my claims.

I don't know of hazard's chance creation to that of messi in recent seasons, but i do know that during Mourinho's first two seasons at Chelsea, hazard came first and second respectively for chance creation in europe.

He was second only to payet in the second season and i am not sure that messi has ever topped the chance creation since then. Other players have topped that.

This is to prove to you that messi does not do Everything better than everyother player

Roland17:
Everybody don kukuma leave the matter for nihi and afrodoc.

But the kain names wen afrodoc dey dish dey kill me with laff.

abeg where those guys they play ball abeg abi na nigerian league players

Some top quality amala has been served here, kudos to the chefs, our mothers would be jealous.

nihilistjnr:
when I'm talking about supporting cast, I'm talking about constituent members of the team surrounding the player in question.

I'm not talking about main man or Batman or Darkseid.

Chairman wetin I do you na, why are you disturbing my sleep