pkasso:
Is that not what we've been trying to tell your people? Nihilist said the difference between Messi and Hazard is not the talent, but the mentality and supporting cast. And you expect us to keep quiet in the presence of such heresy.

Was that not why I said because Hazard can do some or most of the things Messi does, doesn't mean he does it as well as Messi. "Similarity in style of play does not translate to equality in talent"

Na so one of una talk say without goals, Hazard dey the same level with Messi and CR7. Does that statement make any sense to you?

Nihilist just carry all of una put for One Chance bus It's no surprise the likes of Ibim.e, nateev.s and FB-S wanted nothing to do with this nonsense. Nihilist na devil

How is what I said different to this

pkasso:
Ronaldo is a certified big-game player.He has proven that time and time again.He has the longest scoring streak in the El-Classico, scored in two UCL finals and has single-handedly won trophies.So one off game doesn't mean anything.




Suarez is not a traditional centre-foward.Zlatan is the best 9 in the business.There isn't much difference in talent between those three.So what do you think separates him from Ronaldo and Messi? That big game temperament. That ability to stand up and counted when it matters most.It's a known fact Ibra goes missing in big games.

airmark:


But Zidane is a huge fan of Hazard. There must be something wrong with Isco or something right with Hazard, for a successful coach like Zidane to have such views. Maybe he saw it the way I saw it too - Isco is Hazard-wannabe.

Ororo is gone, Isco should do his kitchen job with palm oil, convince his manager to become the main man. Time no dey.

Why did Zidane not buy Hazard or even table an official bid all these years? He should have sold Isco and bought Hazard since he's so much of an upgrade on Isco. Everything na just talk. Which is cheap, by the way.

Abeg, can you tell me the number of matches Real has won since Isco got injured? Please feel free to tell me the number of goals they've scored since then. Don't worry, lemme help you. Zero!! 0 wins, 0 goals in 4 straight games without Isco. The last time Isco played was the last time they scored and won. That is to show how influential he is in this current Madrid side.

pkasso:
Why did Zidane not buy Hazard or even table an official bid all these years? He should have sold Isco and bought Hazard since he's so much of an upgrade on Isco. Everything na just talk. Which is cheap, by the way.

Abeg, can you tell me the number of matches Real has won since Isco got injured? Please feel free to tell me the number of goals they've scored since then. Don't worry, lemme help you. Zero!! 0 wins, 0 goals in 4 straight games without Isco. The last time Isco played was the last time they scored and won. That is to show how influential he is in this current Madrid side.

You mean Bale?

They all become stats junkies and get unnecessary hard on when argument between hazard and their favourite players surface but use their postulation to ask similar question and they rather clutch at straw or probably go into oblivion.




Now how does xavi compares to fabregas using assists as stats metric for midfielders?
How does scholes fared compared to fabregas using assists too?
How does modric compare to ozil using assists ?
How does Zidane compare to any of xavi and iniesta using assists?

keep deceiving yourselves that hazard and Messi are on same talent level. They are no where near. forget achievement self. the kind of goals he scores are wonder. he is not limited by player. he has taken all calibre of players. top defenders and keepers have cried in his hands. a beg leave story

odizeey:
keep deceiving yourselves that hazard and Messi are on same talent level. They are no where near. forget achievement self. the kind of goals he scores are wonder. he is not limited by player. he has taken all calibre of players. top defenders and keepers have cried in his hands. a beg leave story

There's no type of goal that Messi has scored that Hazard cannot score.

Can Hazard dribble 6 players before scoring a golazo? Yes

Can Hazard create chances?
Yes

That's Talent.

How often does Hazard do it though? That's where the issue of application and mentality comes in.

popizaino:
They all become stats junkies and get unnecessary hard on when argument between hazard and their favourite players surface but use their postulation to ask similar question and they rather clutch at straw or probably go into oblivion.




Now how does xavi compares to fabregas using assists as stats metric for midfielders?
How does scholes fared compared to fabregas using assists too?
How does modric compare to ozil using assists ?
How does Zidane compare to any of xavi and iniesta using assists?

we are taking of important assists. world assist different from nations cup.

nihilistjnr:


How is what I said different to this

Kai! You be weyrey o From where you go dig out this post from This post must be nothing less than 4 years old Bascard!!

I did acknowledge that there was a difference in talent, only that it was not much. You said Hazard's talent was the same as Messi's. Ibra's stats are not that far from that of Messi and Ororo's. The man has won league titles in different countries, and has numerous personal accolades to his name. His achievements speak for him. What has Hazard done to merit being mentioned in this same bracket as Messi and CR7 talent-wise.

EvilMetahuman:
and I'm still sure you guys are not comprehending nihilist..

His stand has always been, Messi and hazard have equal talent, which I agree with..
Messi cannot achieve half of what he achieved playing for Chelsea or playing under coaches like mourinho or Conte. Never!

Hazard would have achieved more if he started his club career proper at Barca and under managers like pep.


Messi is super talented and lucky. Hazard is super talented but not as lucky..

Maybe this is what I should have said earlier cus this is how I understand the whole scenario to be.

Messi was just another hazard prior to pep Guardiola's arrival .


Watch them masturbating on my conclusion.

nihilistjnr:


There's no type of goal that Messi has scored that Hazard cannot score.

Can Hazard dribble 6 players before scoring a golazo? Yes

Can Hazard create chances?
Yes

That's Talent.

How often does Hazard do it though? That's where the issue of application and mentality comes in.

can hazard score the type he scored arsenal by first jogging d ball over d keeper and shooting. or by making arsenal players give him one two passes for him to score.
I can dribble 6 players on a good day but wen I do it like almost everyday we know its in me like peak milk. that's talent. hazard will just run pass a player you go shout. messi go face am use am sweep floor. bro dribble pass dribble.

pkasso:
Kai! You be weyrey o From where you go dig out this post from This post must be nothing less than 4 years old Bascard!!

I did acknowledge that there was a difference in talent, only that it was not much. You said Hazard's talent was the same as Messi's. Ibra's stats are not that far from that of Messi and Ororo's. The man has won league titles in different countries, and has numerous personal accolades to his name. His achievements speak for him. What has Hazard done to merit being mentioned in this same bracket as Messi and CR7 talent-wise.

Oh so now you understand the meaning of nuance

odizeey:
we are taking of important assists. world assist different from nations cup.

Unfortunately fabregas boost of a world cup final assist which xavi doesn't .talk another thing


For every xavi 10 assists you give me here I will give double which are even more difficult to execute from fabregas .

Are you ready?

odizeey:
can hazard score the type he scored arsenal by first jogging d ball over d keeper and shooting. or by making arsenal players give him one two passes for him to score.
I can dribble 6 players on a good day but wen I do it like almost everyday we know its in me like peak milk. that's talent. hazard will just run pass a player you go shout. messi go face am use am sweep floor. bro dribble pass dribble.

Talent = Ability

If you give someone like Lukaku or Morata 10 years, they will not be able to score those kind of silky goals that we've seen Messi and Hazard score in the past.

Once we establish the baseline talent ability, it's now a case of how frequently the players in this brackets can do this tings.

Then we look at the mitigating factors.

I can bet both my testicles that for all his amazing talent, Messi does not achieve half of everything he's achieved if he played for Chelsea for 6 seasons.

infact, I don't think Messi would get past Hazard level. If he does, it would be a small difference. If you say its a lie, why didnt he do it with Argebtina?

But put Hazard in that Barca team, and I can bet he wins all the competitions that Messi won - and why not? Pedro won most of those trophies too. Hleb won some. Even Bojan playing at Stoke City with Etebo today won 2 UCLs and like 4 league titles.

This is the argument that I made. Theres a level of nuance that you people just don't want to see until we use omorogun to smack it into your collective agbaris

popizaino:




Unfortunately fabregas boost of a world cup final assist which xavi doesn't .talk another thing


For every xavi 10 assists you give me here I will give double which are even more difficult to execute from fabregas .

Are you ready?

as if it was only final dey played in the competition. so u want to start fab and Xavi argument. they both played in same national team xavi benched him. even same club Xavi pursue am. why didn't they consider Mr world cup final assist.
I no dey follow irrelevant and inconsiderate stats wen comparing players. how important were they. life no fair on hazard no mean say he be Messi mate

EvilMetahuman:
and I'm still sure you guys are not comprehending nihilist..

His stand has always been,Messi and hazard have equal talent, which I agree with..
Messi cannot achieve half of what he achieved playing for Chelsea or playing under coaches like mourinho or Conte. Never!

Hazard would have achieved more if he started his club career proper at Barca and under managers like pep.


Messi is super talented and lucky. Hazard is super talented but not as lucky..

Guy, if you talk the bolded again, walahi I go wire you slap

Did Ororo not score 50+ goals consecutively under the same Mourinho? Or did Lampard not score bucketload of goals under Mourinho? Did Hazard not finally top his league tally for goals under Conte last season?

Eden Hazard when asked about winning the Ballon D'or: "That's why I want to go [to play in Spain], maybe. But, no [not in January]."

pkasso:
Guy, if you talk the bolded again, walahi I go wire you slap

Did Ororo not score 50+ goals consecutively under the same Mourinho? Or did Lampard not score bucketload of goals under Mourinho? Did Hazard not finally top his league tally for goals under Conte last season?

Ororo is a different kind of beast abeg.

That guy is not working on talent. Infact, Ororo doesn't use his original talent of dribbling anymore.

Ororo has rebuilt himself as a machine. He's the terminator.

Infact I would argue that Ororo is the ultimate triumph of application over talent. Messi is naturally more talented than Ororo.

nihilistjnr:



Talent = Ability

If you give someone like Lukaku or Morata 10 years, they will not be able to score those kind of silky goals that we've seen Messi and Hazard score in the past.

Once we establish the baseline talent ability, it's now a case of how frequently the players in this brackets can do this tings.

Then we look at the mitigating factors.

I can bet both my testicles that for all his amazing talent, Messi does not achieve half of everything he's achieved if he played for Chelsea for 6 seasons.

infact, I don't think Messi would get past Hazard level. If he does, it would be a small difference. If you say its a lie, why didnt he do it with Argebtina?

But put Hazard in that Barca team, and I can bet he wins all the competitions that Messi won - and why not? Pedro won most of those trophies too. Hleb won some. Even Bojan playing at Stoke City with Etebo today won 2 UCLs and like 4 league titles.

This is the argument that I made. Theres a level of nuance that you people just don't want to see until we use omorogun to smack it into your collective agbaris

bro talent no be ability. I have the ability to slap but not as efficient as mopol.
saying.
in ratings we call passing dribbling etc abilities.
according to u talent equals ability and u say messi and hazard are on same talent level. meaning they have same abilities.
I don't have time for rubbish this morning. You must be joking. continue with this and u go enter zone of barka tout say this thing. pray u come out alive.
this is sacrilege.

odizeey:
bro talent no be ability. I have the ability to slap but not as efficient as mopol.
saying.
in ratings we call passing dribbling etc abilities.
according to u talent equals ability and u say messi and hazard are on same talent level. meaning they have same abilities.
I don't have time for rubbish this morning. You must be joking. continue with this and u go enter zone of barka tout say this thing. pray u come out alive.
this is sacrilege.

you're not a very peaceful person, are you?

nihilistjnr:



Talent = Ability

If you give someone like Lukaku or Morata 10 years, they will not be able to score those kind of silky goals that we've seen Messi and Hazard score in the past.

Once we establish the baseline talent ability, it's now a case of how frequently the players in this brackets can do this tings.

Then we look at the mitigating factors.

I can bet both my testicles that for all his amazing talent, Messi does not achieve half of everything he's achieved if he played for Chelsea for 6 seasons.

infact, I don't think Messi would get past Hazard level. If he does, it would be a small difference. If you say its a lie, why didnt he do it with Argebtina?

But put Hazard in that Barca team, and I can bet he wins all the competitions that Messi won - and why not? Pedro won most of those trophies too. Hleb won some. Even Bojan playing at Stoke City with Etebo today won 2 UCLs and like 4 league titles.

This is the argument that I made. Theres a level of nuance that you people just don't want to see until we use omorogun to smack it into your collective agbaris

So Pedro, Hleb and Bojan would have led Barca to all those trophies without Messi? This man, ehn.

Here's an hypothetical scenario. Messi and Hazard switch clubs. Messi to Chelsea, Hazard to Barca. Can Messi replicate Hazard's achievements at Chelsea? I bet you, he will top it. Hazard on the other hand, will win trophies at Barca BUT not as much as they would win with Messi.

pkasso:
Guy, if you talk the bolded again, walahi I go wire you slap

Did Ororo not score 50+ goals consecutively under the same Mourinho? Or did Lampard not score bucketload of goals under Mourinho? Did Hazard not finally top his league tally for goals under Conte last season?

did ororo do that at Chelsea

Or did lampard score buttload of goals with current Chelsea team?


Again, people's opinions differs.. I'm not trying to convince you to see hazard's talent. But try to understand the message.

pkasso:
So Pedro, Hleb and Bojan would have led Barca to all those trophies without Messi? This man, ehn.

Here's an hypothetical scenario. Messi and Hazard switch clubs. Messi to Chelsea, Hazard to Barca. Can Messi replicate Hazard's achievements at Chelsea? I bet you, he will top it. Hazard on the other hand, will win trophies at Barca BUT not as much as they would win with Messi.

Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won?

Messi did not lead anybody anywhere.

The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta.

Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico

Lead ko, city ni

odizeey:
as if it was only final dey played in the competition. so u want to start fab and Xavi argument. they both played in same national team xavi benched him. even same club Xavi pursue am. why didn't they consider Mr world cup final assist.
I no dey follow irrelevant and inconsiderate stats wen comparing players. how important were they. life no fair on hazard no mean say he be Messi mate

You know the irony of the embolded ?while they played in the same national team and xavi benchin him fabregas still boost of better assists ratio than Xavi.By the way am not starting any argument but just want to state clear that stat doesn't just speak the whole volume in football.you all should slow down on how you rush to stat for defence to berate hazard.

nihilistjnr:


Ororo is a different kind of beast abeg.

That guy is not working on talent. Infact, Ororo doesn't use his original talent of dribbling anymore.

Ororo has rebuilt himself as a machine. He's the terminator.

Infact I would argue that Ororo is the ultimate triumph of application over talent. Messi is naturally more talented than Ororo.

So Ororo talent no pass dribbling? Chai, why you dey do like this?

I think we need to bust this myth of CR7 being all hardwork. The man had talent to begin with, and he supplemented it with incredible discipline and work ethic. If you no get talent, if you like work out and train from now till tomorrow, you won't get to the very top on a individual level.

nihilistjnr:



Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won?

Messi did not lead anybody anywhere.

The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta.

Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico

Lead ko, city ni

This is definitely trolling No need to say anything.

pkasso:
So Ororo talent no pass dribbling? Chai, why you dey do like this?

I think we need to bust this myth of CR7 being all hardwork. The man had talent to begin with, and he supplemented it with incredible discipline and work ethic. If you no get talent, if you like work out and train from now till tomorrow, you won't get to the very top on a individual level.

You better go an read the interview with renee meulensteen if you dont know how Ororo went from diving showboat with little end product to WPOTY.

nihilistjnr:


You better go an read the interview with renee meulensteen if you dont know how Ororo went from diving showboat with little end product to WPOTY.

Bottom line is the talent was already there. He only needed to work harder and change his game. You can't give what you don't have.

pkasso:
Bottom line is the talent was already there. He only needed to work harder and change his game. You can't give what you don't have.

This is exactly what we are saying about Hazard

To think hazard is on the same talent level as Messi.

Is like thinking Bendtner is on the same level with Aguero since there's no type of goal aguero scores that Bendtner cannot

nihilistjnr:



Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won?

Messi did not lead anybody anywhere.

The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta.

Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico

Lead ko, city ni

Talk to me when your Mcm make it past Yorupa league first

raumdeuter:
To think hazard is on the same talent level as Messi.

Is like thinking Bendtner is on the same level with Aguero since there's no type of goal aguero scores that Bendtner cannot

You're the same guy that said Aguero was finished though

nihilistjnr:


This is exactly what we are saying about Hazard

This debate was purely about talent. There was no mention of hard work at the beginning. Maybe if Hazard had CR7's work ethic and drive, it would propel him to the same level as Messi. BUT definitely not by his talent alone.