Hehehe , so Messi in Chelsea would have scored 8 UCL goals all these years?

Shekpites have now become Shekpebots.

pkasso:
This debate was purely about talent. There was no mention of hard work at the beginning. Maybe if Hazard had CR7's work ethic and drive, it would propel him to the same level as Messi. BUT definitely not by his talent alone.

Congrats you've finally landed at the point that we established almost 72 hours ago

nihilistjnr:


Talent alone is not enough to drive you to have a phenomenal career and Hazard is the most unserious bastard....

The difference between Messi and Hazard is more in mentality rather than ability.

nihilistjnr:


You're the same guy that said Aguero was finished though

he he he... Ma nigga
U no dey forget thins oo

popizaino:



You know the irony of the embolded ?while they played in the same national team and xavi benchin him fabregas still boost of better assists ratio than Xavi.By the way am not starting any argument but just want to state clear that stat doesn't just speak the whole volume in football.you all should slow down on how you rush to stat for defence to berate hazard.

since u are not comparing both we are good

nihilistjnr:


you're not a very peaceful person, are you?

maybe. but just follow those experiments you bolded, you'll come up with a scientific conclusion

nihilistjnr:


Congrats you've finally landed at the point that we established almost 72 hours ago

Wetin you dey talk? I'm saying Hazard's talent is so inferior to that of Messi that It would take an Ororo-style work ethic and drive to get him anywhere near that level.

Make I break am down for you

Hazard talent << Messi talent

Hazard talent + CR7 drive <<= Messi 's talent

pkasso:
Wetin you dey talk? I'm saying Hazard's talent is so inferior to that of Messi that It would take an Ororo-style work ethic and drive to get him anywhere near that level.

Make I break am down f you

Hazard talent << Messi talent

Hazard talent + CR7 drive <<= Messi 's talent

CR7 is the only player on the same level as Messi right now, so you're not really saying anything special.

The koko here us that you are also admitting that it's a mentality upgrade that Hazard needs, not talent

nihilistjnr:


CR7 is the only player on the same level as Messi right now, so you're not really saying anything special.

The koko here us that you are also admitting that it's a mentality upgrade that Hazard needs, not talent

Ororo is only on Messi's level because of his exceptional and unmatched drive to be the best. Based on talent alone, he is no match for Messi.

Need I remind you, you said Hazard and Messi are equals when it comes to pure talent. ONLY talent. No hard work, no drive and none of those intangibles involved. JUST talent.

pkasso:
Ororo is only on Messi's level because of his exceptional and unmatched drive to be the best. Based on talent alone, he is no match for Messi.

Need I remind you, you said Hazard and Messi are equals when it comes to pure talent. ONLY talent. No hard work, no drive and none of those intangibles involved. JUST talent.

I know what I said. I didn't say they were equals, but they were in the same bracket talent wise.

I am not hyping Hazard to any other level. Just talking about his talent ONLY.

Like I said before, it takes a lot more than talent to have a phenomenal career and Hazard is an unserious bastard

nihilistjnr:


You're the same guy that said Aguero was finished though

Aguero can only be finished because he once had it

Unlike Bendtner who never had it

pkasso:
Ororo is only on Messi's level because of his exceptional and unmatched drive to be the best. Based on talent alone, he is no match for Messi.

Need I remind you, you said Hazard and Messi are equals when it comes to pure talent. ONLY talent. No hard work, no drive and none of those intangibles involved. JUST talent.

bros ronaldo had one of the fastest leg over in epl. so because it seems he is doing things with passion u say he has far less talent. let's just say hazard is far more talented than him self.

abeg make una end this talent talk joor

Maybe hazard is as talented as messi, but he's not even half as intelligent as messi

eph12:
Maybe hazard is as talented as messi, but he's not even half as intelligent as messi

And you know this as a professional exam invigilator...

nihilistjnr:


And you know this as a professional exam invigilator...

Everyone knows this na

when I catch nihilist typing this sh!t

International break is the cause of this madness

.It will soon be over

nihilistjnr:


I know what I said. I didn't say they were equals, but they were in the same bracket talent wise.

I am not hyping Hazard to any other level. Just talking about his talent ONLY.

Like I said before, it takes a lot more than talent to have a phenomenal career and Hazard is an unserious bastard

So, how do we determine how wide that bracket is or the gap in quality between both players

Abeg, is Neymar on the same talent level as Hazard?

nihilistjnr:
I know what I said. I didn't say they were equals, but they were in the same bracket talent wise.
I am not hyping Hazard to any other level. Just talking about his talent ONLY.
Like I said before, it takes a lot more than talent to have a phenomenal career and Hazard is an unserious bastard

Which footballer is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo? Can we say Mandzukic?

raumdeuter:


Which footballer is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo? Can we say Mandzukic?

Let's talk about Boateng and Leon Balogun

nihilistjnr:
Let's talk about Boateng and Leon Balogun

These 2 you mentioned have similar heritage both Half German half African. Both started their football education in Germany coincidentally at the same Hertha Belin academy, One was chosen by elite clubs like Hambrg, City and Bayern the other was at bottom dwellers like Darmstadt Fortuna etc

One currently plays for Bayern Munich, has a world cup medal, CL medal One is not even a starter for Brighton, never selected for Germany and bench warmer for Mainz

This shows Boateng and Balogun have nothing similar in talent level or dedication

So back to Ronaldo, who is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo? Andrei Kramaric or Gamst Pederson? I know Ronaldo has benefitted from better teammates and application but on talent I am thinking Pederson or Kramaric should be within the same bracket

raumdeuter:


These 2 you mentioned have similar heritage both Half German half African

One plays for Bayern Munich, has a world cup medal, CL medal One is not even a starter for Brighton, never selected for Germany and bench warmer for Mainz

So back to Ronaldo, who is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo? Andrei Kramaric or Gamst Pederson?

would Boateng be a starter in Brighton?

nihilistjnr:


would Boateng be a starter in Brighton?

Boateng and Balogun were in the same academy, Boateng was promoted to the first team Balogun was shipped off to lower division sides so there is your answer.
Would Balogun qualify for Bayerns Bench or Germanys U-17 even at 30yrs?

So Ronaldo vs Gamst Pederson minus the better teammates and hardwork, Arent they on the same talent bracket?

nihilistjnr:


would Boateng be a starter in Brighton?

Who is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo?

homesteady:


Who is on the same talent bracket with Ronaldo?

Gamst Pedersen

I have evidence for it

Pedersen vs Ronaldo same talent bracket

https://www.balls.ie/football/morten-gamst-pedersen-380645

Bosingwa a fellow Portuguese in 2008 even affirmed it

The £16.2 million Portuguese international, signed from Porto, was unveiled in leafy Surrey yesterday and revealed that, after watching four Premier League games each weekend on television, the man he most feared was not compatriot Cristiano Ronaldo, nor Liverpool's prolific goalscorer Fernando Torres or even Tottenham's Dimitar Berbatov.
he pointed to Morten Gamst Pedersen, Blackburn's Norwegian left-winger.

"It's very strong league, with many good players, but Pedersen is a great player from Blackburn and it will be great to play against him," Bosingwa insisted. ''He's very fast; I like the way he plays. He's not a typical left forward and likes to bring you into the game and cross the ball very quickly."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/2419102/Chelseas-Jose-Boswinga-identifies-danger-man.html


If only Pedersen had the application and teammates of Ronaldo

raumdeuter:


Boateng and Balogun were in the same academy, Boateng was promoted to the first team Balogun was shipped off to lower division sides so there is your answer.
Would Balogun qualify for Bayerns Bench or Germanys U-17 even at 30yrs?

that doesn't mean anything

Pogba was in the same academy as Lingard. Lingard was kept and Pogba was allowed to bounce.

Salah Lukaku and KDB were allowed to leave Chelsea while Oscar stayed

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Similar talent bracket, difference was mainly the quality of teammates around them

If Pedersen had played with Real Madrid. While Ronaldo was playing with Rooney Tevez Modric and Ramos
Pedersen was playing with Vukcevic, Cristian Samba, Yakubu Aiyegbeni

nihilistjnr:


that doesn't mean anything

Pogba was in the same academy as Lingard. Lingard was kept and Pogba was allowed to bounce.

Salah Lukaku and KDB were allowed to leave Chelsea while Oscar stayed

What became of Pogbas career after leaving, what became of Salah and KdBs career after leaving and what became of Baloguns career after leaving

Pogba KdB and Salah became the best in the world in their position playing for top clubs Balogun became a vagabond of lower league teams wandering from one hopeless Darmstadt to Fortuna

But the main issue here is Pedersen and Ronaldo, minus the teammates there wasnt really much difference

Actually Bosingwa a Portuguese once feared Pedersen more

raumdeuter:


What became of Pogbas career after leaving, what became of Salah and KdBs career after leaving and what became of Baloguns career after leaving

Pogba KdB and Salah became the best in the world in their position playing for top clubs Balogun became a vagabond of lower league teams andering from one hopeless Darmstadt to Fortuna

But the main issue here is Pedersen and Ronaldo, minus the teammates there wasnt really much difference

Actually Bosingwa a Portuguese once feared Pedersen more

Balogun played well at World Cup

nihilistjnr:
Balogun played well at World Cup

Pedersen vs Ronaldo who had very similar talents also played well in the EPL

raumdeuter:


Pedersen vs Ronaldo who had very similar talents also played well in the EPL

I'm discussing balogun bro. Try the other house for Ororo related talkto