nihilistjnr:
I'm discussing balogun bro. Try the other house for Ororo related talkto

I am discussing Ronaldo since the case of Balogun is settled

Ronaldo was in the same talent bracket as Pedersen with evidence shown, the main difference was the quality of teammates. If Ronaldo had played with Samba Aiyegbeni and co

Una no go kill person with laugh for this thread

If you want to judge if a player has talent, just look at his younger years...

Teenage Messi was the best player at u-20 world cup, dribbled past six players to score, and scored a hat trick against Madrid at the bernabau

What was young hazard's most remarkable act in his teenage years?

Brace yourselves for Hazard v Usain Bolt argument

nihilistjnr:


I'm discussing balogun bro. Try the other house for Ororo related talkto

Why are you running? Great Amala Turner

eph12:
Maybe hazard is as talented as messi, but he's not even half as intelligent as messi

Is Iwobi on Hazard's talent level?

popizaino:




Maybe this is what I should have said earlier cus this is how I understand the whole scenario to be.

Messi was just another hazard prior to pep Guardiola's arrival .


Watch them masturbating on my conclusion.

Messi was the 2nd best player in the world prior to Pep. That is a feat Hazard is yet to reach 7+ years in time comparison with more playing time, less injuries and more leeway/creative freedom. It is beyond similarities (which are hard to see by the way). One is a generational talent while the other is very good at the moment.

Roland17:
Brace yourselves for Hazard v Usain Bolt argument

who is the better sprinter between hazard and usain bolt?


I think ikedia is faster than usain bolt

Eruditor:


Messi was the 2nd best player in the world prior to Pep. That is a feat Hazard is yet to reach 7+ years in time comparison with more playing time, less injuries and more leeway/creative freedom. It is beyond similarities (which are hard to see by the way). One is a generational talent while the other is very good at the moment.

i dont even know the similarities sef.

Eruditor:


Is Iwobi on Hazard's talent level?

Well since the word on the street is that everybody is on everybody's talent level, the ayes have it

popizaino:


Unfortunately fabregas boost of a world cup final assist which xavi doesn't .talk another thing


For every xavi 10 assists you give me here I will give double which are even more difficult to execute from fabregas .

Are you ready?

Fabregas has more assists and goals. Xavi did not but the burden of providing those rested more with one than another. One could argue that had Xavi added those to his game, he would have been the best player in his time at least once.

You cannot deny that the burden of providing those for CFC and Belgium rest on Eden. You know this, but want to excuse him of it and bring Zidane and Xavi who were exceptional at what was expected of them - never mind the extra they could not do CONSISTENTLY.

That is why it is criminally insulting to claim Hazard is on Messi's level barring goals and assists. While one has been top of every class in what was demanded of him and more, the other has been a potential since God knows when. We cannot compare Messi to a player who went 30 matches or so without a goal regardless of coach or playing style.

To make an argument for Hazard his numbers should be 25+ every season in a "defensive side" so that we can say in a more expansive side maybe he can get to 40. There is nothing we have seen that suggests he can except hype.

He is not enjoying a better scoring form than Fabregas did in 2007/08 particularly in the same Aug-October months. You people should just relax. He is a very good player but that is where it stops. No matter the periodic table you are looking at, he is not in Messi's group, period.

Eruditor:


Fabregas has more assists and goals. Xavi did not but the burden of providing those rested more with one than another. One could argue that had Xavi added those to his game, he would have been the best player in his time at least once.

You cannot deny that the burden of providing those for CFC and Belgium rest on Eden. You know this, but want to excuse him of it and bring Zidane and Xavi who were exceptional at what was expected of them - never mind the extra they could not do CONSISTENTLY.

That is why it is criminally insulting to claim Hazard is on Messi's level barring goals and assists. While one has been top of every class in what was demanded of him and more, the other has been a potential since God knows when. We cannot compare Messi to a player who went 30 matches or so without a goal regardless of coach or playing style.

To make an argument for Hazard his numbers should be 25+ every season in a "defensive side" so that we can say in a more expansive side maybe he can get to 40. There is nothing we have seen that suggests he can except hype.

He is not enjoying a better scoring form than Fabregas did in 2007/08 particularly in the same Aug-October months. You people should just relax. He is a very good player but that is where it stops. No matter the periodic table you are looking at, he is not in Messi's group, period.

Hazard is not enjoying a better scoring record than cesc who had just 7 league goals and 13 goals in all competition in the 2007/2008 season...
Haha..

Nihilstjnr, you won't believe what just happened. I just had the weirdest flashback ever. It's like I fvcking time-travelled back in time.

Remember when i asked you how you managed to dig up that post about Zlatan, Messi and CR7? A post from over 4 years ago. I swear I now remember it all. Everything. Every fvcking thing.

That day was August 1 2014. Schweinsteiger, who is one of my favorite players clocked 30 that day. It was a Friday like this and there was a light shower that morning. I had dropped a birthday post on the Bayern thread and Pa Ramuzaki followed suit with his, posting a picture of Schweini holding the World Cup.

I swear this shyte is surreal. I don't do drugs or weed so I don't know what could have triggered this. I made way to the Utd thread where some of them were debating whether a move for Vidal was worth it. There was no way I was going to allow them slander one of my fave players. That was how I got into the debate, which took another dimension when I claimed Vidal was the best midfielder in the world. Elampiro disagreed and said it was Yaya Toure and that was how I got locked into a debate with Elampiro and the rest of the United clan.

Things got interesting when I called Yaya a flat-track bully( that was where the Zlatan, Messi and Ororo post came in) and made a comment about EPL fans being fanboys. That was you and Ritchboy stepped in. You were still using your GustavoFring moniker at that time, I think. Believe me I'm shocked.

pkasso:
Nihilstjnr, you won't believe what just happened. I just had the weirdest flashback ever. It's like I fvcking time-travelled back in time.

Remember when i asked you how you managed to dig up that post about Zlatan, Messi and CR7? A post from over 4 years ago. I swear I now remember it all. Everything. Every fvcking thing.

That day was August 1 2014. Schweinsteiger, who is one of my favorite players clocked 30 that day. It was a Friday like this and there was a light shower that morning. I had dropped a birthday post on the Bayern thread and Pa Ramuzaki followed suit with his, posting a picture of Schweini holding the World Cup.

I swear this shyte is surreal. I don't do drugs or weed so I don't know what could have triggered this. I made way to the Utd thread where some of them were debating whether a move for Vidal was worth it. There was no way I was going to allow them slander one of my fave players. That was how I got into the debate, which took another dimension when I claimed Vidal was the best midfielder in the world. Elampiro disagreed and said it was Yaya Toure and that was how I got locked into a debate with Elampiro and the rest of the United clan.

Things got interesting when I called Yaya a flat-track bully and made a comment about EPL fans being fanboys. That was you and Ritchboy stepped in. You were still using your GustavoFring moniker at that time, I think. Believe me I'm shocked.

Hindsight is a beautiful bastard.

The good thing is that we can see from your history, that you have the ability to understand nuance.

We just need to work on your mentality and supporting cast

PRICKasso my Geee , GBOLAhan don deactivate him Gustavofrings moniker that year.

He had already started using Nihilist

Nihilist:
Prickasso, you were quick to quote whoscored.

Could you please tell the house how many times Yaya Toure played as an AM for city according to whoscored?

kingBolton:

Hazard is not enjoying a better scoring record than cesc who had just 7 league goals and 13 goals in all competition in the 2007/2008 season...
Haha..

Before I respond, is English your first language?

Eruditor:


Before I respond, is English your first language?

Lmao

That was the very first time our paths crossed. Soon, things got heated between us and I even remember you calling me prickasso at one time You even namechecked Benjamin Button at one point for some reason

The debate raged on and soon it was me vs you and the entire EPL fanbase. I found an unlikely ally in coogar, who was in full support of my argument. The whole thing lasted for several hrs. Na that day I know say Elampiro get stamina for debate

We did go one on one when coogar got the attention of the others. I remember saying Yaya was actually a CAM rather the DM everyone thought he was. There was also a thing about 'theory' which I don't remember very well.

Nihilstjnr, for some reason you archived those posts for future purposes.

Moral of the story, guys is be careful with how you deal with Nihilstjnr. Like the Internet, he never forgets ; D. Whether it's the deactivated JackBauerBalls or GustavoFrings accounts or the several Nihilist monikers, he remembers and a time will come when he will come for you. A debate from over 4 years ago, and one deactivated account, Nihilist mo be ori fun e

pkasso:
Nihilstjnr, you won't believe what just happened. I just had the weirdest flashback ever. It's like I fvcking time-travelled back in time.

Remember when i asked you how you managed to dig up that post about Zlatan, Messi and CR7? A post from over 4 years ago. I swear I now remember it all. Everything. Every fvcking thing.

That day was August 1 2014. Schweinsteiger, who is one of my favorite players clocked 30 that day. It was a Friday like this and there was a light shower that morning. I had dropped a birthday post on the Bayern thread and Pa Ramuzaki followed suit with his, posting a picture of Schweini holding the World Cup.

I swear this shyte is surreal. I don't do drugs or weed so I don't know what could have triggered this. I made way to the Utd thread where some of them were debating whether a move for Vidal was worth it. There was no way I was going to allow them slander one of my fave players. That was how I got into the debate, which took another dimension when I claimed Vidal was the best midfielder in the world. Elampiro disagreed and said it was Yaya Toure and that was how I got locked into a debate with Elampiro and the rest of the United clan.

Things got interesting when I called Yaya a flat-track bully( that was where the Zlatan, Messi and Ororo post came in) and made a comment about EPL fans being fanboys. That was you and Ritchboy stepped in. You were still using your GustavoFring moniker at that time, I think. Believe me I'm shocked.

How come the Vidal you claimed was the best in 2014 did not make FIFApro XI in 2014, 2015, etc. Even Pogba made the list in 2015.

Someone like you will tell growing up kids that Vidal was a better midfielder than Xavi during that time up to 2014.

YOU NO KNOW BALL

Adisaowalla:
PRICKasso my Geee , GBOLAhan don deactivate him Gustavofrings moniker that year.

He had already started using Nihilist

So you sef remember that Prickasso jab. Nihilist na bascard, walahi!!

I just had one hell of a flashback and everything just came flooding back.

Incredible, I tell you.

elampiro:


How come the Vidal you claimed was the best in 2014 did not make FIFApro XI in 2014, 2015, etc. Even Pogba made the list in 2015.

Someone like you will tell growing up kids that Vidal was a better midfielder than Xavi during that time up to 2014.

YOU NO KNOW BALL!!!!

Fact

elampiro:


How come the Vidal you claimed was the best in 2014 did not make FIFApro XI in 2014, 2015, etc. Even Pogba made the list in 2015.

Someone like you will tell growing up kids that Vidal was a better midfielder than Xavi during that time up to 2014.

YOU NO KNOW BALL

Baba, you don come again

I was referring to that specific point in time. 2014 was a terrible year for Xavi and Barcelona. I even think the phrase I used at that time was 'the most complete midfielder in the world.' Vidal suffered a serious knee injury before the world cup and he never got back to his very best. Same thing that happened to Falcao.

Your Yaya Toure, which FifPro XI did he enter?

pkasso:
Baba, you don come again

I was referring to that specific point in time. 2014 was a terrible year for Xavi and Barcelona. I even think the phrase I used at that time was 'the most complete midfielder in the world.' Vidal suffered a serious knee injury before the world cup and he never got back to his very best. Same thing that happened to Falcao.

Your Yaya Toure, which FifPro XI did he enter?

The very same argument used against Airmark and Grzegorz Krychowiak/Andrea Belotti, against Raumdeuter and Harry Kane/Sergio Aguero.
At that time

Unlimited22:

The very same argument used against Airmark and Grzegorz Krychowiak/Andrea Belotti, against Raumdeuter and Harry Kane/Sergio Aguero.
At that time

Mr man, you had not even found out about Nairaland at that time. So take several seats, when OGs dey talk .

pkasso:
Mr man, you had not even found out about Nairaland at that time. So take several seats, when OGs dey talk .

Nah, I'd been a guest for at least 2 years before finally creating an account.
I didn't see the sports threads tho, was just read news on the first page and disappear.

Eruditor:


Before I respond, is English your first language?

No, its my third language
Now please respond

Coutinho14:
so in your opinion, hazard would score 91 goals in a calendar year if he was playing for Barça right? he will also dribble seven players against getafe before scoring a solo goal (since you implied that it's more about his mentality than his ability). the truth is that if you remove goals from Messi's game, he is still the best assist provider in the world, still the best dribbler in the world, [/b]still one of the best passers of the ball, [b]still the best chance creator in the world, do you want me to continue? if you watch Barça matches regularly, you would notice that Messi spends more time deep in midfield than he does in attack

pkasso, Eruditor, if you dont know how an argument started, Dont jump into it.

This is the post i initially quoted to make my claim and facts have shown that i am correct. If you dont agree, dispute it with facts.


I am baffled at the lack of understanding a lot of people display here.

EvilMetahuman:
It's like these people are getting it wrong.


No one is saying hazard is better than Messi...
Having same talent or pattern of play as Messi doesn't necessarily mean that he is better than Messi... Zaha might have same talent or pattern of play as hazard but that doesn't mean he is better than hazard.


Hazard hasn't achieved half of what Messi has achieved and probably never will cos Messi is on another level..
He will have to achieve at least 80% of what Messi has achieved to make any meaningful comparison.

So it will be insane to say hazard is better than Messi.
Same way it is insane to say that zaha is better than hazard.


Neymar vs hazard on the other hand is a better comparison.


Let us learn to comprehend stuff before talking.

Thank you my brother. A lot of people don't try to understand things.

nihilistjnr:


How is what I said different to this

don't mind him. Because hazard is mentioned and messi is in the sentence, they are getting all sentimental.

nihilistjnr:



Did Messi even play in the final of the first UCL he won?

Messi did not lead anybody anywhere.

The leaders were Xavi and Iniesta.

Since Xavi left, Messi cannot lead Barca past Juventus (Barca didn't even score), Roma, and Atletico

Lead ko, city ni

chai nihilist, wetin messi do you.