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nihilistjnr:
you definitely have a point, but that 4 hours formula may be too hard for a nigga like me for example, who constantly seeks stimulation and is deathly afraid of boredom.
Such a nigga might end up selling food and making a very tidy sum from it before trying something else.
Business fail for any number of reasons no doubt, but for some people, sales are more intuitive than PN okeke.
Just because someone found school hard, doesn't mean that they may find running a business equally difficult.

The description of yourself doesn't even sound like you will have an easy ride in business. Even if all the stars align. If you have a short attention span like me and can't study for 4hrs, Now think of what t takes to run a business. All the top guys you see in Business Otedola, Dangote Adenuga etc all employ hundred of first class who stay beyond 4hrs attention span planning every detail in the business

The discipline an Alaba merchant has not to touch the 1M in his account but to find ways of getting it for cheaper and make more margins, despite all these he can borrow, ship from China, do everything right and just 2 days to his goods ariving and him becomng a billionaire,
Buhari bans the importation of rice, One Ibo Okadaman knocks down an Agbero and Agberos descend on his 200M rice container or discover he was sold fake goods

ManBeast:
Half of that money used in buying morata, would have gotten us Jamie Vardy.

Most chances morata have gotten and missed, Vardy would have scored them easily.
He should have been the one we bought, not that jelly hair waste man.

Spot on!
If we had Vardy, we would still be in the title race. As much people say Luiz and Kepa have let the club down at times, Morata’s misses (and playing style) have also contributed to CFC’s present position of fighting for a UCL place.

nateevs:
You are talking about the difference between running a business and wealth preservation. You are not advocating that people choose regular 9-to-5s over business right? Because I can give 100 bad stories of people who have had long-life careers and have ended up poor. There is no empirical evidence to support that going into business makes life riskier for you than being in a job.

There are just probably just as many people crashing and burning in regular jobs as there are in business. Especially in unstable economies like Nigeria's.

I have found out that many people will find comfort in what makes their daily bread and will offer advise based on this comfort zone, which is what they assume is the road to success. They will also spread fear of travel on the other route because of lack of knowledge or some 5 people they know who failed.

There several elements to business making. While prudence may be admired and make get you to make some money, being a poor people manager, poor investment sense, fear of risk-taking, unwillingness to adopt technology and general lack of market awareness may make you crash. Just like a 9 to 5, it is most likely not the business itself that runs the man down, it's most times a lack of a certain skill and/or failure to acquire it in some capacity that runs the man down.

Let's be cautious about spreading fear and refer people to those who have experience in fields where our knowledge is not as robust.

Personally, I have done both business and career that is where my perspective is coming from.

What I am saying is that running a business successfully is hard, very hard, If you don't have a track record of success in a small scale in that line of work, Its very risky and almost insane to bank on business success as the sole source of income

A career you probably don't need anything to start aside your qualification, Business if you have all the necessary qualification you will still need a startup capital and a lot of luck to sustain it

afrodoc2:
You are still not getting the point.
We are not saying once you find school hard you must find business hard.
The skill sets needed to make it in each field are not identical.

However generally speaking your input is more likely to dictate your output in school, compared to business in which you can do almost everything the right way and still end up a failure.

On the average school is easier and more reliable, though there are definitely people who find business easier based on their particular skills set.

I understand what you're saying in the bolded. I'm just trying to argue that there is an element of relativity to this.

A brain that struggles to remember almighty formula, maybe amazing at calculating the remaining change from a transaction.

Your input in school doesn't necessarily determine your output, even generally speaking.

You're a doctor. I'm sure you know a couple of people in your set who spent the exact same time as you, reading the exact same books and still can't differentiate a mouth from an änus.

That's the point im trying to make. If that formula you mentioned worked as implied, most smart people would finish with a first, and only unserious people would graduate with a third.

That's definitely not the case

nihilistjnr:
I understand what you're saying in the bolded. I'm just trying to argue that there is an element of relativity to this.

A brain that struggles to remember almighty formula, maybe amazing at calculating the remaining change from a transaction.

Your input in school doesn't necessarily determine your output, even generally speaking.

You're a doctor. I'm sure you know a couple of people in your set who spent the exact same time as you, reading the exact same books and still can't differentiate a mouth from an änus.

That's the point im trying to make. If that formula you mentioned worked as implied, most smart people would finish with a first, and only unserious people would graduate with a third.

That's definitely not the case

Smart + serious = First class or 2-1 in 60% of cases though
Change in any of these factors will land in 3rd class straight

raumdeuter:
The description of yourself doesn't even sound like you will have an easy ride in business. Even if all the stars align. If you have a short attention span like me and can't study for 4hrs, Now think of what t takes to run a business. All the top guys you see in Business Otedola, Dangote Adenuga etc all employ hundred of first class who stay beyond 4hrs attention span planning every detail in the business

The discipline an Alaba merchant has not to touch the 1M in his account but to find ways of getting it for cheaper and make more margins, despite all these he can borrow, ship from China, do everything right and just 2 days to his goods ariving and him becomng a billionaire,
Buhari bans the importation of rice, One Ibo Okadaman knocks down an Agbero and Agberos descend on his 200M rice container or discover he was sold fake goods

Depends.

I contract in IT via a limited company. It's mainly a vehicle for tax efficiency but I do have to make some business decisions...the most important being choosing which contracts to take.

Prior to that I sold things on the side and made a small profit.

I find this a lot easier than 20+ years of full time education.

raumdeuter:
Smart + serious = First class or 2-1 in 60% of cases though
Change in any of these factors will land in 3rd class straight

do you have empirical evidence for this?.

obainojazz:
Choi, see questions... You just dey remind the guy why he needs to enter business.

This person asking all this questions must be related to Dr JC Nwazor... Happy new year bro, wish you the very best.

nihilistjnr:
Depends.

I contract in IT via a limited company. It's mainly a vehicle for tax efficiency but I do have to make some business decisions...the most important being choosing which contracts to take.

Prior to that I sold things on the side and made a small profit.

I find this a lot easier than 20+ years of full time education.

Your side hustle buying and selling was probably just a very minor business and do you think you could have lived on it solely for 10yrs and raise a family. You probably havent begun to scratch the surface sef. You havent dealt with regulatory autorities, large scale supply chain management, cash flow management and customer service

Its like someone who solves basic primary 6 Algebra and thinks thats evidence that he will get a first class in Electrical Engineering

Reminds me of when I first used Engineering Maths in SS2 the Green one from KA Stroud. He usually breaks things down to simplest form and later scale it up. After solving the easy examples I thought to myself, Its easy na. I think I can be an Engineer sef, wetin dem dey do for University

Until I got there and saw the Advanced Engineering Maths from Kreyzig and knew that all that one I was doing na playplay

nihilistjnr:
do you have empirical evidence for this?.

When I say generally speaking, I mean on the average.

If you have 2 students of equal intellect the more serious one is more likely to score higher marks.
There are many examples from school.

Also amongst the mediocre students the serious ones amongst them spent maybe an extra year or 2 before graduating while the ones blazing weed and chasing girls were kicked out of school and never graduated.

raumdeuter:
The description of yourself doesn't even sound like you will have an easy ride in business. Even if all the stars align. If you have a short attention span like me and can't study for 4hrs, Now think of what t takes to run a business. All the top guys you see in Business Otedola, Dangote Adenuga etc all employ hundred of first class who stay beyond 4hrs attention span planning every detail in the business

The discipline an Alaba merchant has not to touch the 1M in his account but to find ways of getting it for cheaper and make more margins, despite all these he can borrow, ship from China, do everything right and just 2 days to his goods ariving and him becomng a billionaire,
Buhari bans the importation of rice, One Ibo Okadaman knocks down an Agbero and Agberos descend on his 200M rice container or discover he was sold fake goods

This brings me back to my point. Wealth preservation and diversification may be the other personal skills that need working on. While growing a 200M business in rice is admirable, having all 200M in rice alone must be the first scary thing for a business man.

I run a fully blown Ltd company and I make it a principle to divest to sectors that are not the primary business of the company, upon achieving a certain financial goal (and it applies personally). Now while I am not preaching this as a road to eternal success, it sure means that it will take many Okadas and agberos in different parts of the world at the exact same time to crash everything.

It's not the business making, it's the decision making.

nihilistjnr:
Depends.

I contract in IT via a limited company. It's mainly a vehicle for tax efficiency but I do have to make some business decisions...the most important being choosing which contracts to take.

Prior to that I sold things on the side and made a small profit.

I find this a lot easier than 20+ years of full time education.

Our points are quite similar.

The major factor should be your aptitude.
Don’t just enter a business because school is boring or you are struggling a bit, without considering whether you have the qualities to be successful in that particular kind of business.

nateevs:
This brings me back to my point. Wealth preservation and diversification may be the other personal skills that need working on. While growing a 200M business in rice is admirable, having all 200M in rice alone must be the first scary thing for a business man.

I run a fully blown Ltd company and I make it a principle to divest to sectors that are not the primary business of the company, upon achieving a certain financial goal (and it applies personally). Now while I am not preaching this as a road to eternal success, it sure means that it will take many Okadas and agberos in different parts of the world at the exact same time to crash everything.

It's not business making, it's decision making.

I will argue that it depends, Diversification have failed and led to the collapse of many organization just as much as staying in the core business have failed others

Its just the vagaries of business and no one is certain which one is sure.

If you have a Nigeria where some years back we had no local capacity for rice production, it seems perfectly ok to go balls deep into it even with 200M, Since 170M people have to eat and Rice is the major food Than risking on another new sector you arent sure of

The bulk of Otedola, Danjuma money was made from Oil and they have kept faith with it, Jim Ovia, Elumelu made most of theirs in banking/Asset management and have kept faith with it

Zuckerbeg made his from Social media, Gates/Jobs made from Software development. They arent big players in finance or Real estate or Shipping

raumdeuter:
I will argue that it depends, Diversification have failed and led to the collapse of many organization just as much as staying in the core business have failed others

Its just the vagaries of business and no one is certain which one is sure.

If you have a Nigeria where some years back we had no local capacity for rice production, it seems perfectly ok to go balls deep into it even with 200M,
Than risking on another new sector you arent sure of

The bulk of Otedola, Danjuma money was made from Oil and they have kept faith with it, Jim Ovia, Elumelu made most of theirs in banking/Asset management and have kept faith with it

Zuckerbeg made his from Social media, Gates/Jobs made from Software development. They arent big players in finance or Real estate or Shipping

Unfortunately, you don't have evidence for everything you have said. I am interested to see research and/or evidence that shows diversification of wealth as the primary reason for total collapse. There may be other factors you are not privy to.

You only know what is reported. I bet you are likely to find that when sh!t hits the fan, wealth depreciation is what happens to these sorts of people, not total collapse. They are probably board members and majority shareholders on a ton of many other companies across several sectors. These moves never get reported.

Meanwhile there is a plethora of examples where failure to diversify have killed big companies, let alone a small ones.


Diversification is not necessarily becoming a major player across several sectors. It's investing just enough to not distract you from your main business but enough to ensure okadas and agebros don't make you going back to ground zeros.

afrodoc2:
Our points are quite similar.

The major factor should be your aptitude.
Don’t just enter a business because school is boring or you are struggling a bit, without considering whether you have the qualities to be successful in that particular kind of business.

Which was my point, If you run from school because you cannot cope, Bigger demons and monkeys are waiting for you in business

With Business, I will even say you have to test run it on a small scale before you decide that's what your future will depend on.(Though that still doesn't give a guarantee of success )

nateevs:
Unfortunately, you don't have evidence for everything you have said. I am interested to see research and/or evidence that shows diversification of wealth as the primary reason for total collapse. There may be other factors you are not privy to.

You only know what is reported. I bet you are likely to find that when sh!t hits the fan, wealth depreciation is what happens to these sorts of people, not total collapse. They are probably board members and majority shareholders on a ton of many other companies across several sectors. These moves never get reported.

Meanwhile there is a plethora of examples where failure to diversify have killed big companies, let alone a small ones.


Diversification is not necessarily becoming a major player across several sectors. It's investing just enough to not distract you from your main business but enough to ensure okadas and agebros don't make you going back to ground zeros.

Some examples of companies that diversfication ruined or almost ruined

National Semiconductor Corporation
One example of failed diversification is National Semiconductor Corporation. The company tried to make electronic consumer products in addition to the semi-conductors that went inside them (in the 1970’s). But they overlooked one major flaw: the company wasn’t suited for retail manufacturing. In the process, it was crushed by companies that were very well suited for that purpose as well as insulated against any kind of financial downturn. By the time digital watches became popular in America (the company specialized in analog devices and subsystems),NSC had been driven from the marketplace, suffering huge losses that largely overshadowed its success in the arena of semiconductors.

Northrop Grunman
A more recent example for failed diversification is Northrop Grunman–an American global aerospace and defense technology company and the fifth-largest defense contractor in the world as of 2015, according to wiki. Northrophas always been successful with electronics and robotic systems, but in 2001 it diversified into shipbuilding for the Navy. The venture was obviously very expensive, and a titanic one at that. The diversified plan had razor-thin margins, and did not tune with any of Northrop’s other businesses. In 2011, Northrop declared that they got out of the shipping business to avoid “a drag on its bottom line for years to come.”






Virgin Cola
Virgin’s move to lock horns with Pepsi and Coca Cola is one that is legendary. Though Virgin’s brand encompassed virtually everything—from airlines to financial services, Richard Branson, founder of the Virgin empire, stretched himself too far. Coca Cola and Pepsi, as we all know, is synonymous with elixir of life. Branson joined forces with Cott Corporation, and produced Cola under the Virgin name and marketed it spectacularly in New York’s Times Square. This move raised eyebrows from market observers as they knew it was difficult to take down Pepsi and Coca Cola.

Although Virgin Cola was priced significantly lower (15 to 20%) than the two leading brands, there were not enough customers. Partly, issues with distribution were to be blamed. Pepsi and Coca Cola managed to block Virgin from getting shelf space in more than half of UK’s leading supermarkets. Meanwhile, Coke doubled its advertising budget. Virgin Cola failed to make even a single scratch in their worldwide sales. The band struggled to gain 3% of the market and has never made a profit even on its home turf, the UK.

http://www.ourbusinessladder.com/failed-experiments-with-diversification-business-ideas/

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What I am saying is captured below.

There have, of course, been many diversification strategies that have failed and many that have succeeded. Although it may be tempting to seek growth outside a company’s core business, this decision should not be taken lightly. The knowledge and skill required to manage business activities across multiple unrelated industries is hard to find, even among the most experienced and successful corporate individuals.
https://www.europeanceo.com/finance/why-diversifying-your-business-doesnt-always-bring-success/

Morata starts

Alonso again?

I saw this somewhere

LMAO!! Feel free to add your own o

Golovin: Communist Kaka
Shelvey: Chemotherapy Kroos
Depay: Thursday-night Neymar
Kante: midfield Mo Farah
Iwobi: IPOB Zidane
Kaka: religious Ross Barkley
Wilshere: Brexit Isco
Torreira: mini Eddie Guerrero
Busquets, Latino heat Lee Cattermole
Verrati: transgender foul merchant
Herrera: passion merchant
Naby Keita: Guinean Mo Diame
Coutinho: serious looking Matthew Taylor
Fernandinho: samba Capoue
Sokratis Papastathopoulos: Scrabble legend
Messi: La Masia Ben Arfa
Hazard: Belgian Kardashian
Alexis Sanchez: Chilean Bolasie
Neymar: Brazilian Zaha
Lukaku: Belgian Mark Henry
Vardy: Brexit R9
Sean Dyche: bronchitis Simeone
Salah: ISIS Gervinho
Mourinho: exotic Tony Pulis
Bakayoko: dandruff Elneny
Elneny: ISIS Jorginho
Scholes: albino Joe Allen
Vinicius Jr. - Tejuosho Neymar
Chris Houghton: malnourished Obama
Ndidi: Biafran Vidal
Morata: Latin Welbeck
Burnley: Brexit XI
Renato Sanches: Rastafarian Freddy Adu
Pogba: dabbing Mulumbu
Mooy: radioactive Voldemort
Zlatan: Swedish Andy Carroll
Ahmed Musa: Boko Haram Bale
Ronaldo: test-tube Hercules
Aubameyang: offside Phyno
Alisson: acne Almunia
Martial: depressed Mbappe
Marouane Fellani: Belgian Ruud Gullit

#copied

raumdeuter:
I saw this somewhere

LMAO!! Feel free to add your own o

Golovin: Communist Kaka
Shelvey: Chemotherapy Kroos
Depay: Thursday-night Neymar
Kante: midfield Mo Farah
Iwobi: IPOB Zidane
Kaka: religious Ross Barkley
Wilshere: Brexit Isco
Torreira: mini Eddie Guerrero
Busquets, Latino heat Lee Cattermole
Verrati: transgender foul merchant
Herrera: passion merchant
Naby Keita: Guinean Mo Diame
Coutinho: serious looking Matthew Taylor
Fernandinho: samba Capoue
Sokratis Papastathopoulos: Scrabble legend
Messi: La Masia Ben Arfa
Hazard: Belgian Kardashian
Alexis Sanchez: Chilean Bolasie
Neymar: Brazilian Zaha
Lukaku: Belgian Mark Henry
Vardy: Brexit R9
Sean Dyche: bronchitis Simeone
Salah: ISIS Gervinho
Mourinho: exotic Tony Pulis
Bakayoko: dandruff Elneny
Elneny: ISIS Jorginho
Scholes: albino Joe Allen
Vinicius Jr. - Tejuosho Neymar
Chris Houghton: malnourished Obama
Ndidi: Biafran Vidal
Morata: Latin Welbeck
Burnley: Brexit XI
Renato Sanches: Rastafarian Freddy Adu
Pogba: dabbing Mulumbu
Mooy: radioactive Voldemort
Zlatan: Swedish Andy Carroll
Ahmed Musa: Boko Haram Bale
Ronaldo: test-tube Hercules
Aubameyang: offside Phyno
Alisson: acne Almunia
Martial: depressed Mbappe
Marouane Fellani: Belgian Ruud Gullit

#copied

some people won't make heaven
Andy Carroll: Brexit Chamakh
Banteke: Belgian Yakubu
Ibrahimovic: Kung fu Panda
De Gea: Latin monkey
Rashford: brexit mbappe
Pogba: dabbing Mulumbu
Lingard: Amarachi dancer
Ozil: german Turkish ghost

raumdeuter:
What I am saying is captured below.

Perhaps my previous posts needs some reconstruction. The premise was not to show that diversification cannot fail as nothing is fool-proof, especially if done wrongly. The point was to show that you are better off divesting and more often than not, there is success, if done right. You would see that the whole point I was making is encapsulated in these few words.

Diversification is not necessarily becoming a major player across several sectors. It's investing just enough to not distract you from your main business but enough to ensure okadas and agebros don't make you going back to ground zero.


The whole point was to offer hope and not fear to those who are considering venturing into business and points to consider in the preservation of wealth.

Singapore1:
i personally don't subscribe to leaving school for business as it's a very risky decision ..

when i was in the polytechnic Yabatech i was doing very bad in school ( mechanical engineering ), it's not that i was not very good but there's no time to read as i had to leave school on friday come back on monday morning to hustle ( don't ask me), i always make cool cash from hustling in the weekends.
while i was in my first year i was able to save like 200,000 from my side hustle while my GP was below second class lower. The following month there was an ASUU/ASUP strike, while i was at home i decided to venture into mobile phones and accessories buying and selling, bought laptop with 50,000 naira and use about 130k to buy phones and accessories... bought nokia accessories then and 5 android phones when android first came out ( all sony phones and 1 lg) , turned out that 3 of the phones are clones. i couldn't sell all the accessories as i had to give my friends most of it, business went down the drain within 1 month, My Eyes Con Clear.

school resume i was back to square 1. i was averagely good with many computer software then ( photoshop, core draw and adobe after effect)
i now went to youtube picked up lesson on 2d intro and animation ( text ) and started learning Adobe after effect while focusing on my education, life was hard , i became good with adobe after affect just for the fun of it ( on a scale of 1-10 i was 5 ) .

then BOOM! another ASUU strike , this one lasted for 5 months, it was then my friend introduced me to a freelancing site where i can make money with my adobe skills . I got my first job on the site after the first week, spent 5,000 naira on 5$ job , thats a loss but i was happy to collect dollar, the following week i made 200$, i made about 400$ that month which was about 150k, i made more the next month and by the time ASUU call of the strike i was seeing like 300k+ in the bank ...

SCHOOL RESUMES and they released exam time table the next day, like how am i suppose to read with a lot of project to finish ( work ), i used the rest of the week to work, enter the exam hall the next monday

I COULD REMEMBER VIVIDLY LIKE IT JUST HAPPENED 5 MINUTES AGO, i was writing exam ( electricty ) i could not remember anything i have crammed .
I stood up right that moment inside the exam hall, submit my paper , left the hall, my course mate were hailing me thinking i have smashed the exam, That was the last time i ever stepped into Yabatech , i wnet straight home to finish all my work and made about 500$ that month.

i have never for once regret that decision, due to this experience i strongly believe you can never lose if you are offering a service rather than doing a business , i left the animation industry and moving from one business to another now, anyone wey money dey

you are the only one to make the right decision for yourself, whether or not you go to school , you still have to keep learning new skills no matter your field, don't forget the Nigeria factor, you are in Nigeria not abroad and trust me BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE, the worst thing that can happen to a man is hustling as an undergraduate while still trying to make good grade, it's possible but i will never advise it .. you old quickly

I AM NOW BACK IN SCHOOL ( UNIVERSITY THIS TIME ) DOING SOCIAL SCIENCE COURSE
AND LEST I FORGET ASUU IS ON STRIKE AGAIN

but u re laying ur bills.
It's a win win situation

iamJ:
really?

oya lets dance


united has a total spending of approximately 700m

united have sold players worth 73m


chelsea have sold players worth 303m, united our resident maga's paid 77m inside that figure

chelsea total spending is 605m

but this isnt the argument self, we are talking about a players worth

who pays over the odds for average players?



united
rojo, jones, anderson, zaha, depay, mata, matic, bally, lindelof, di maria, luke shaw,lukaku


make i continue?

Please stop making up figures in your head. Since 2013/14(all figures in Pands):


Chelsea:
Willian - 31.95m
Matic - 22.5m
Schurrle - 19.8m
Sallah - 14.85m
Zouma - 13.14m
Van Ginkel - 8.46m
Atsu - 2.7m
Perica - 2.21m
Cuevas - 1.71m
Costa - 34.2m
Fab - 29.7m
Cuadrado - 27.9m
F.Luis - 18m
Remy - 11.88m
Pasalic - 2.25m
Pedro - 24.3m
Baba Rahman - 18m
Begovic - 9.9m
Kenedy - 7.2m
Hector - 4.86m
Miazga - 4.14m
Nathan - 3.6m
Papy Djibijibi - 3.15m
Batman - 35.1m
Kante - 32.22m
Alonso - 20.7m
Amber - 59.4m
Bakayoko - 36m
Drinkwater - 34.11m
Rudiger - 31.5m
Zappacosta - 22.5m
Emerson - 18m
Giroud - 15.3m
Barkley - 15.21m
Ampadu - 2.52m
Kepa - 72m
Pulisic - 57.6m
Jorginho - 51.3m
Total - 819.86m

United:
Mata - 40.26m
Fellaini - 29.16m
Di Maria - 67.5m
Shaw - 33.75m
Herrera - 32.4m
Rojo - 18m
Blind - 15.75m
Milinkovic-Savic - 1.58m
Martial - 54m
Schneiderlin - 31.5m
Depay - 30.6m
Darmian - 16.2m
Schweinsteiger - 8.1m
Pogba - 89.3m
Mkhitaryan - 37.8m
Bailly - 34.2m
Lindelof - 31.5m
Matic - 40.23m
Lukaku - 76.23m
Fred - 53.1m
Dalot - 19.8m
Grant - 1.53m
Total - 762.49m


So u see, United have tried buying few quality on the high side to compensate the team whereas, Chelsea have been buying plenty cheap average players.

Chelsea are the real Maga'd FC paying almost 60m for serial bench warmers like Amber and Pulisic. Talk about overpaying to help other clubs take out their trash.

And please stop talking about Net Spend here. Only Liverpool and Chelsea fans constantly bring up net spend to make themselves feel good about their club buying dead-weights.

U really see players like Shaw, Mata, Matic, Lindelof and call them average? Well i no blame you. When ur club has packed useless players like Amber, Baba Rahman and Willian into its ranks, how wont u see Apple and be calling it Kolanut...

can't believe Amba starts

WAT ATTACKER IS SARRI BUYING DS JANUARY SEF....CHELSEA WILL NOT PLAY UCL NEXT SEASON SHOULD HE NOT BUY ONE NOW OOO

nihilistjnr:
can't believe Amba starts

Well, who should have started as a 9? Ethan Ampadu?

Injury is affecting us

Unlimited22:
Well, who should have started as a 9? Ethan Ampadu?

Bros I'm happy with a stick, fridge, or even a sign board.

Anything and anyone but Amba

Happy New Year everyone.

nihilistjnr:
Bros I'm happy with a stick, fridge, or even a sign board.

Anything and anyone but Amba

Meanwhile, 20 mins on the clock. Joggyinho - 10 passes, 8 straight to the opponent. Sorryball at its best.
Hopefully things improve.