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Although the title of this thread might seems a bit clickbait-ish, this apparent feature is merely circumstantial. The reason I chose this title is because it rightly describes exactly what this thread is going to be about. For months I've fought a series of hard battles against biology and every time I've failed. As I post I'll explain in this context what I mean by biology and what I mean by battle. My understanding of "biology" and my acknowledgement of my inability to defeat it has been influential in my decision to end my life; which I'll do immediately I'm done posting.

As you'll see from the posts that will follow, my decision to end my life is one that I've given a lot of thought to. I've weighed by arguments against strong counter-arguments and I have found my arguments to be more persuasive.

The reason I'm posting this here is to share my thoughts with people and get their responses, so as to finally reexamine my views and arguments. If I find my views still valid and my arguments more persuavisive I'll go on with my decision. But if I don't, I'll have a rethink and this thread will serve as a reference point to my future self.

What are you trying to say sir

Let hear your point first.. ..

SuicideIsSmart:
Although the title of this thread might seems a bit clickbait-ish, this apparent feature is merely circumstantial. The reason I chose this title is because it rightly describes exactly what this thread is going to be about. For months I've fought a series of hard battles against biology and every time I've failed. As I post I'll explain in this context what I mean by biology and what I mean by battle. My understanding of "biology" and my acknowledgement of my inability to defeat it has been influential in my decision to end my life; which I'll do immediately I'm done posting.

As you'll see from the posts that will follow, my decision to end my life is one that I've given a lot of thought to. I've weighed by arguments against strong counter-arguments and I have found my arguments to be more persuasive.

The reason I'm posting this here is to share my thoughts with people and get their responses, so as to finally reexamine my views and arguments. If I find my views still valid and my arguments more persuavisive I'll go on with my decision. But if I don't, I'll have a rethink and this thread will serve as a reference point to my future self.

You're just an attention seeker, smh!

You’re not coherent.

If you die the world will move on, nothing changes.

Do whatever pleases you.

Op if I catch you eh

Hello
Drop your contact let me call you
Don't end your life, no Matter what you are going through.
Go to the hospital, see those people that are struggling to live.
Please give ur self a reason to live.
To those of u up here.
You don't know what oops is going through, it's not necessary for you to talk, if you don't have a good thing to say.

SuicideIsSmart:
Although the title of this thread might seems a bit clickbait-ish, this apparent feature is merely circumstantial. The reason I chose this title is because it rightly describes exactly what this thread is going to be about. For months I've fought a series of hard battles against biology and every time I've failed. As I post I'll explain in this context what I mean by biology and what I mean by battle. My understanding of "biology" and my acknowledgement of my inability to defeat it has been influential in my decision to end my life; which I'll do immediately I'm done posting.

As you'll see from the posts that will follow, my decision to end my life is one that I've given a lot of thought to. I've weighed by arguments against strong counter-arguments and I have found my arguments to be more persuasive.

The reason I'm posting this here is to share my thoughts with people and get their responses, so as to finally reexamine my views and arguments. If I find my views still valid and my arguments more persuavisive I'll go on with my decision. But if I don't, I'll have a rethink and this thread will serve as a reference point to my future self.

Hello
Hello

First, I'll like to establish few of my opinions. Please bear with me if you find this particular post long. It helps lay the groundwork for my other arguments.

Biology

When we observe the world around us, two particular traits appear to be shared by every animal: The desire to reproduce and the desire to survive. The desire to survive expresses itself firstly in the constant search for food and water due to the body of the animal's ultimate dependence on them, and secondly in the instinct to avoid anything that could potentially lead to the death of the animal aside from the lack of food and water. The desire to reproduce manifests in form of sexual attraction, sexual desire or the innate compulsion to participate in an activity that leads to reproduction. The underlying forces that control these desires is what I refer to as biology. Through serious contemplation I have realized that the desire to survive exists only to perpetuate the results of the desire to reproduce. By studying the life of animals over multiple generations, it becomes obvious that the reason for which they exist is to participate in the process of reproduction and to perpetuate that process through survival. This conclusion led me to coin the phrase: Nature only exists to perpetuate itself.

Dovetailing this to the life of humans, it is apparent then that the reason for which humans exist is to continue the existence of humans on this planet. Of course there are opposing views but this seems to be the most valid and most evident.
Just like animals, humans are ruled by innate biological impulses of survival and procreation and these impluses govern every facet of our lives.

How we perceive our world and ourselves and how we act in the world are underlaid by the offshoots of the desire to procreate, even in cases when we refuse to procreate or engage in the act. The implications of this induced in me the realization of the pointlessness and redundancy of life.

Let me elaborate. Ask yourself this question: Why do you do anything all? Why are you currently working or schooling or doing anything to make money or potentiate the making of money? The likely answer to this is that you are doing this to survive and create a better life for yourself and those you love. This basic answer can be encapsulated in a more sophisticated statement: You are trying to improve your status in life across multiple dimensions. But why? A likely answer would be due to the increased pleasure, comfort and happiness an increased status brings. But if you ignore these gratifying benefits what's left is the fact that an increased status across multiple dimensions of financial success, physical attractiveness, and our positions on the different arbitrary hierarchies constructed in our world by ourselves in order to stratify the different levels of access to limited resources, increases our likelihood of survival and ultimately procreation. The pleasure and the happiness are just biological incentives. So basically, the reason we engage with our world the way we do, is to increase the possibility that we will procreate.

The impulse to engage in sexual reproduction or be attractive for reproductive mates is integral to everything that we do even if we don't consciously know it. And we accord respect to and want to emulate anyone who possesses traits that make them more likely to engage in reproduction. Nature(or biology) pushes us to want and need those things that would increase our chances of procreating. The higher up you are across multiple hierarchies, the more resources you have and the more you are likely to survive and engage in reproduction. Bear in mind that when I say reproduction, what I mean is sex with a partner. Biology doesn't care about contraceptives or condoms, all it wants is copulation between two people, because this leads to reproduction, and it compels every single human to desire to engage in sex with another individual and to do everything possible to increase their chances of being selected by multiple partners.

You are intellectually sound sir. You must be an orator or a writer.

The dark side of biology.

Having established that the purpose of life is to give rise to more life, I want to elaborate on the sinister aspect of this innate compulsion.

Its been established at the deepest levels of psychological thought that what makes life seem worth living is having a goal and constantly and consistently putting effort in moving closer towards it. The more such a goal increases survival and increases our status in society the more live becomes meaningful. The problem with this framework is that our emotional systems are attuned to it. What this means is that we tend to be happier when we have a goal and are achieving it and we tend to be sadder and miserable and in despair when we don't. It's like biology wants us to constantly work towards ultimately increasing our chances of survival by having a goal and waking up everyday to chase it, even if we have all the resources that would enable our survival for decades.

The more relevant problem with this is that in the world we find ourselves, in order to satisfy the biological impulse to attain perceived meaning in life by having a goal and chasing it, while constantly trying to be more successful across multiple hierarchies, one has to work endlessly while being exposed to unending danger and encountering more suffering for himself and witnessing the suffering of others.

If life's purpose is for me to procreate and to increase the possibility of survival and access to potential mates, I find it absurd that I am programmed to feel sad and terrible if I'm not successfully obeying this command everyday of my life.

SuicideIsSmart:
The dark side of biology.

Having established that the purpose of life is to give rise to more life, I want to elaborate on the sinister aspect of this innate compulsion.

Its been established at the deepest levels of psychological thought that what makes life seem worth living is having a goal and constantly and consistently putting effort in moving closer towards it. The more such a goal increases survival and increases our status in society the more live becomes meaningful. The problem with this framework is that our emotional systems are attuned to it. What this means is that we tend to be happier when we have a goal and are achieving it and we tend to be sadder and miserable and in despair when we don't. It's like biology wants us to constantly work towards ultimately increasing our chances of survival by having a goal and waking up everyday to chase it, even if we have all the resources that would enable our survival for decades.

The more relevant problem with this is that in the world we find ourselves, in order to satisfy the biological impulse to attain perceived meaning in life by having a goal and chasing it, while constantly trying to be more successful across multiple hierarchies, one has to work endlessly while being exposed to unending danger and encountering more suffering for himself and witnessing the suffering of others.

If life's purpose is for me to procreate and to increase the possibility of survival and access to potential mates, I find it absurd that I am programmed to feel sad and terrible if I'm not successfully obeying this command everyday of my life.

Then stop obeying and live life as it comes. The reason why most whites choose to become travellers carrying little or no properties.

Hipsofagoddess:
Then stop obeying and live life as it comes. The reason why most whites choose to become travellers carrying little or no properties.

The problem with this sort of statement is how paradoxical it is. If I stop obeying the biological impulse to survive and increase my status in the world, bearing in mind that in order to survive in the world one needs to struggle and work to earn money to provide food and shelter, and our emotional systems are attuned to the perception of our status in relation to our fellow humans then how can I live life as it comes? What kind of life would that be and for how long would it be sustainable? How long before I fall into despair and depression?

How long can I sustain being a traveller when I already took your advise to stop obeying biological impluses? And how practical is that for a Nigerian or anyone without easy access to viable, safe places to travel to?

And what's the point of living life as it comes when it's certain that the pain I'll experience would far outweigh the pleasure and death could at any time end every effort that I've taken to make living life as it comes more bearable?

The pointlessness of it all.

What's the difference between the life of a human and the life of a chicken? I don't see any fundamental difference. Chickens are born, they have sex, they reproduce and they die. Humans are born, they have sex, they reproduce and they die. Whatever happens inbetween is arbitrarily contrived by whatever human society exists at the time. This redundant process would have seemed bearable and worth trudging through if it didn't include the compulsions I already made mention of and the punishments for contravening those compulsions. Worse so it also includes the inevitable experience of multiple periods of pain in the quest for transient periods of pleasure. Our empathy also makes matter worse because we invariably experience the suffering of others, especially those we care about, and this exacerbates our suffering.

The pointlessness of every effort that we put into adhering to our biological compulsions is in the realization that all our effort becomes meaningless to us when we die. And death can occur anytime. Even if we care that after our death our achievements can become useful to those alive, then that argument breaks when we realize that even those alive will die and future generations with die until our achievements become buried and forgotten in the sands of time, and even if they somehow last very long, one day our planet would not exist anymore, along with our so called achievements that only an extremely minute fraction of the human population can attain.

The pleasure versus pain problem.

If anyone is asked to participate in an activity where it's guaranteed that they'd experience more pain than pleasure, any sensible person would refuse such request. Yet, everyone somehow seems comfortable living their lives despite the fact that surely they'd experience more pain and suffering than they'd experience pleasure and satisfaction, that is if they would experience any at all. The pleasure-pain asymmetry becomes all the more obvious if you ask anyone to bear 10 seconds of the worst pain possible in order to experience 20 seconds of the best pleasure possible. Almost anyone would refuse such an offer. Yet, we all live lives where we inevitably experience longer periods of pain and very short periods of pleasure. I find this absurd. I know that I'm going to witness the death of the people I love and that's going to cause unbearable pain. I know I'm going to fail to achieve things I want to. I know I'm going to experience moments of agony, anger, sadness and emptiness. These things are inevitable, even if I do nothing. But in order to experience pleasure I have to pursue it and struggle, and even at that all my struggle could turn out to be in vain. Even if I somehow manage to always experience pleasure whenever I want(which is impossible by the way), just witnessing some other innocent human being's suffering or thinking about it even could nullify my pleasure.

What kind of absurd life is this? Honestly I regard people who say that life is good or sweet as extremely ignorant and absolutely pathetic.

Do you need sniper??

adebayo3449:
Hello
Drop your contact let me call you
Don't end your life, no Matter what you are going through.
Go to the hospital, see those people that are struggling to live.
Please give ur self a reason to live.
To those of u up here.
You don't know what oops is going through, it's not necessary for you to talk, if you don't have a good thing to say.

The people in hospitals struggling to live are doing this as a result of the biological instinct to survive. An injured rat would also struggle to live if put on medication. And witnessing the suffering of these kind of people is even all the more reason to cease my existence. I'm sure lots of these people and those who suffered like them and died at the end had achieved something in the past or were on course to achieve something they regarded as important and all their efforts were wiped out in an instant. That's the pointlessness of being alive. What's the point of striving for anything when I know it could end in a second? What's the point of being alive when I know that my life would involve more suffering than pleasure and I'll witness the sufferings of millions of people?

I honestly don't see what's so special about life that people like you want me to continue.

This guy is back again?
If those write ups aren’t copy and paste then you better put your ass to work on Fiverr.

SuicideIsSmart:
The people in hospitals struggling to live are doing this as a result of the biological instinct to survive. An injured rat would also struggle to live if put on medication. And witnessing the suffering of these kind of people is even all the more reason to cease my existence. I'm sure lots of these people and those who suffered like them and died at the end had achieved something in the past or were on course to achieve something they regarded as important and all their efforts were wiped out in an instant. That's the pointlessness of being alive. What's the point of striving for anything when I know it could end in a second? What's the point of being alive when I know that my life would involve more suffering than pleasure and I'll witness the sufferings of millions of people?

I honestly don't see what's so special about life that people like you want me to continue.

there's nothing special about life from your pessimistic side of view, but look at it in a better light, some are getting married, giving birth to young ones daily, some are getting good jobs, some are building houses and some are getting nice apartments, life keeps getting better, civilisation keeps increasing and the world keeps spinning into a global unit!! It's something to be happy about! And moreover life doesn't ends here on earth! Life continues through eternity! So rejoice and breath in fresh air even in the face of circumstances beyond your capacity!! No one can solve the problem of everyone, let people praise you for your little contribution to build a better life system for humanity and be a happy man wherever you are! Grace!!

Listen to teni song uyo meya.dont give up

sukerefakere:
Do you need sniper??

Please keep it clean here. We don't need this. Thanks.

Dude, I must admit that you have made a sound argument and I do not really have any counter argument except those of an arcane nature.

From a strictly material standpoint, I fail to see how anyone can beat your logic.

I think you should have opened this thread in the religion section.

I don't know if you watch anime but in the anime naruto shippuden, Uchiha itachi felt exactly like you do. He kept on questioning life and wondering why we should continue to live as we should especially with wars, hunger, hatred, famine and all the problems in the world you can think about.

He tried to kill himself when he saw no meaning in life by jumping off a cliff but saved himself at the end. From that moment onward, he tried to see life in a different perspective and this is what he says "People Live their Lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That is how they define "Reality" . But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? They are merely vague concepts... Their "Reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to be simply living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"

Op you just have to change your perspective in life. It's not perfect but it's beautiful and bliss. You just have to force yourself to create that beauty in your reality.

SuicideIsSmart:
The dark side of biology.

Having established that the purpose of life is to give rise to more life, I want to elaborate on the sinister aspect of this innate compulsion.

Its been established at the deepest levels of psychological thought that what makes life seem worth living is having a goal and constantly and consistently putting effort in moving closer towards it. The more such a goal increases survival and increases our status in society the more live becomes meaningful. The problem with this framework is that our emotional systems are attuned to it. What this means is that we tend to be happier when we have a goal and are achieving it and we tend to be sadder and miserable and in despair when we don't. It's like biology wants us to constantly work towards ultimately increasing our chances of survival by having a goal and waking up everyday to chase it, even if we have all the resources that would enable our survival for decades.

The more relevant problem with this is that in the world we find ourselves, in order to satisfy the biological impulse to attain perceived meaning in life by having a goal and chasing it, while constantly trying to be more successful across multiple hierarchies, one has to work endlessly while being exposed to unending danger and encountering more suffering for himself and witnessing the suffering of others.

If life's purpose is for me to procreate and to increase the possibility of survival and access to potential mates, I find it absurd that I am programmed to feel sad and terrible if I'm not successfully obeying this command everyday of my life.

Hold up! So many valid points you've shared with us. You've called that driving force, "BIOLOGY." Different names have been given to it in our history. I'm going to address this as a Christian.

I will call that driving force, "the world." When we are ruled by The World, the purpose of life becomes whatever the world wants, technically speaking...those things you listed. We tend to do whatever we can to achieve them; legally or illegally, ethical or unethical.

The world/biology only cares bout itself and wants u to b like the others before u, under its manipulation. Tells u to do whatever it takes to get wealth; kill, cheat, steal etc. My Bible tells me that money is good but the love of it is the root of all evil. So when the world says do whatever you can to get money, I'll ask myself... Is it legal? Is it ethical? The choices I make allows me to live above its power

It is important to know that life is so much more than just surviving. Billions of people have lived on this earth, but only a few are being remembered. Jesus was a carpenter here on earth with no partner but His name is on d lips of billions. John the Baptist termed by Christ, the greatest man ever born by a woman died without a partner or any known estate. There are others like king Solomon, the wisest man, so rich with lots of women. At the end, he said all those things are vanity.

What isn't vain? God isn't. Because with Him, we have a moral compass to live above Biology/The world.

There are many other greats that have lived, when u compare to the not-so-great fellows, its about 0.0001%.
So, where do u want to find yourself, among the 0.0001% or with the crowd?

Dear Op, please don't end your life. Your life counts and it is important to us, to other living creatures and to God. Your breathe counts to the plants, you give them the oxygen they need for survival.

Your life is important to us, we humans, your family, your parents, your younger ones, Who may be our liberator. Don't give up on us. We need you. You put smile on our faces, don't take that away. With you in this world, we know we are not left alone. If you are gone, who will patronise the barber struggling to make ends meet, who will buy iya sukura's food so she can pay sukuras school fees? Who will smile at me and say a good morning to me assuring me there's hope for the day?

You are important to God, he created you to take dominion of other creatures, your life is different to that of chicken's. Are you going to just throw back his love and gift at him? .Even after he has made himself available to solve all our problems only if we can call on him? Please don't die Op, you are important.

SuicideIsSmart:
Although the title of this thread might seems a bit clickbait-ish, this apparent feature is merely circumstantial. The reason I chose this title is because it rightly describes exactly what this thread is going to be about. For months I've fought a series of hard battles against biology and every time I've failed. As I post I'll explain in this context what I mean by biology and what I mean by battle. My understanding of "biology" and my acknowledgement of my inability to defeat it has been influential in my decision to end my life; which I'll do immediately I'm done posting.

As you'll see from the posts that will follow, my decision to end my life is one that I've given a lot of thought to. I've weighed by arguments against strong counter-arguments and I have found my arguments to be more persuasive.

The reason I'm posting this here is to share my thoughts with people and get their responses, so as to finally reexamine my views and arguments. If I find my views still valid and my arguments more persuavisive I'll go on with my decision. But if I don't, I'll have a rethink and this thread will serve as a reference point to my future self.

Op, are you still alive or you've ended it all

Say hi so we know you've not gone to the world beyond

Werey

If u are still alive,know this ,once u end your life,u land in hell fire,then u would realise that all the pain that could be gotten in this life is not up to a moment pain in hell.there u would also realise that life is worth it after all.