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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Theuniverse: 10:20pm On Jan 19, 2019
sarri uselessness on full display. make we see how Tottenham match go go first, if we no win that game with no kane ,son others. sarri should be sacked
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Edopesin: 10:22pm On Jan 19, 2019
Theuniverse:
sarri uselessness on full display. make we see how Tottenham match go go first, if we no win that game with no kane ,son others. sarri should be sacked
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kane no go play?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segedinho(m): 10:23pm On Jan 19, 2019
Coaches that are too rigid in formations and tactics are not supposed 2 be welcomed 2 EPL (top 6)...I don't really see any difference between conte nd sarri as regard "stupidity"....conte's formation was unlocked and he couldn't tweak 4 once. ..now Sarricigar'so formation has been unlocked yet he is adamant. ...no good shot on goal against a defenceless arsenal. ...this is pathetic cry cry cry
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:23pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:
you mean someone was mad enough to offer 35m for Hudson....and someone was even madder to say no? cheesy cheesy


I've watched this boy live now on 2 occasions. If that nigga worth 35, I'm worth at least 10m. Facts only

The nigga was miscontrolling a lot of balls TBH
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:26pm On Jan 19, 2019
Ibime:


The nigga was miscontrolling a lot of balls TBH

Maybe Bayern dey use Bielsa tactics to view the guy on training pitch, cos wetin i see today no be am at all. The guy is our own version of Maitland imo

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 10:26pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:


face value was 120. I got it for 70 sha

Not bad at all.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:28pm On Jan 19, 2019
Unlimited22:
Kepa


Azpi Luiz Rudiger Emerson


Ampadu/Paredes Kante RLC/Kovacic


Husdon-Odoi/Pedro Higuain Hazard.




How's this look, folks?





Only within Satri way of thinking.

We have the two starting DMs in the World Cup final, Kovacic and Kante. That is a solid pivot.

Sarri may need to reformat his brain from playing Regista until he has the attackers to make it work. Strong attackers is what make opponents sit back, giving the Regista space to play.

EPL will soon reformat his brain like it did to Pep in the first season.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 10:29pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:


I am not all these people
I didn't see anything like dominate,any average Joe can mark jorginho......Even Herrera once man mark hazard....Torreira dey dominate,he dey do watch dog like dss grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:29pm On Jan 19, 2019
chic2pimp:


Not bad at all.

Yeah it was a reasonable price, so as soon I got the call today that it was available, I jumped on the first train to London.

I should have stayed at home though.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:30pm On Jan 19, 2019
I overheard BT Sport panel saying Sarri had a meltdown in interview and threw all the players under the bus, and that the players are likely to turn against him when they hear the interview. Who get the update?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:32pm On Jan 19, 2019
Ibime:
I overheard BT Sport panel saying Sarri had a meltdown in interview and threw all the players under the bus, and that the players are likely to turn against him when they hear the interview. Who get the update?

scroll up to see larride's post...
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 10:34pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:


Beating Chelsea is so simple. Tell the number 10 to mark Jorginho. Then pack the midfield with 3 other guys.


So why does this continue to happen (since Spurs' game) if Jorginho is actually useless? Why would any manager work one full week at a tactical plan that targets Jorginho if truly, he is useless?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 10:43pm On Jan 19, 2019
Nihilist is it true the defender of the universe conceded 3 to crystal palace

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:44pm On Jan 19, 2019
nateevs:


So why does this continue to happen (since Spurs' game) if Jorginho is actually useless? Why would any manager work one full week at a tactical plan that targets Jorginho if truly, he is useless?

Jorginho is the Killswitch for Sarri formation. If teams figure out they can neutralise him with diamond formation, then Sarri needs to tweak things.

Sacking Sarri is too hasty and premature but there are some streaks of stubbornness that everyone can see weak points every week, and Sarri will refuse to do anything about it. If playing with a Regista is a must for his system, is starting Alonso every week a must? Is playing without striker a must? These things are building up

This is our first loss which I watched live this season, I can imagine the same issues must have been grating on Chelsea fans who watched all of our losses this season.

Stubbornness no dey work for EPL oh. Coaches must adapt.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:48pm On Jan 19, 2019
nateevs:


So why does this continue to happen (since Spurs' game) if Jorginho is actually useless? Why would any manager work one full week at a tactical plan that targets Jorginho if truly, he is useless?


Everybody knows Sarriball uses a regista as frame of reference.

The coaches have figured out that the guy playing the regista role is softer than stockfish that was soaked for 1 week.

Instead of coming up with tactics to counter Sarri's tactics, it's easier to just remove the regista from the board.

If Sarri put someone else in that position, perhaps someone who an indomie playet like Jorginho, Teams would instead look for a tactical solution to the regista problem.

Hazard is 10 million times better than Jorginho, and nobody was man marking him. At one point, Maitland completely refused to even close him down.

Pedro is another one, He was completely unmarked all game. That's a tactical decision, because Pedro has the ability to evade the press, and can dabaru defensive positions. See below

Jorginho on the other hand can't run, can't dribble, and control ball. He was more obliging than an olosho with 5 star customer service, and so he got bullied all night.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 10:50pm On Jan 19, 2019
raumdeuter:
Nihilist is it true the defender of the universe conceded 3 to crystal palace

playing with Milner and Matip in defence.

Vvd had an assist though.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chic2pimp(m): 11:02pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:


Yeah it was a reasonable price, so as soon I got the call today that it was available, I jumped on the first train to London.

I should have stayed at home though.

It was a really good price for a Category A tbh.

I have to say though I don't envy you one bit. It was blitz out there today.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:02pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:



Everybody knows Sarriball uses a regista as frame of reference.

The coaches have figured out that the guy playing the regista role is softer than stockfish that was soaked for 1 week.

Instead of coming up with tactics to counter Sarri's tactics, it's easier to just remove the regista from the board.

If Sarri put someone else in that position, perhaps someone who an indomie playet like Jorginho, Teams would instead look for a tactical solution to the regista problem.

Hazard is 10 million times better than Jorginho, and nobody was man marking him. At one point, Maitland completely refused to even close him down.

Pedro is another one, He was completely unmarked all game. That's a tactical decision, because Pedro has the ability to evade the press, and can dabaru defensive positions. See below

Jorginho on the other hand can't run, can't dribble, and control ball. He was more obliging than an olosho with 5 star customer service, and so he got bullied all night.

I fully understand Sarri's system and Jorginho's importance in it. The point of my multiple questions to introduce the commencement of a resistance to your earlier statement (and one that has been perpetuated several times on this thread) that Jorginho is useless. My point was to establish that both those statements cannot true.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 11:16pm On Jan 19, 2019
I just dey see lines and lines of endless salaye. Why all this story for the gods when we can all just 'Sensima'


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy8h-YY4xg8

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MyTototear: 11:24pm On Jan 19, 2019
Edopesin:

haha your moniker is more stupid than sarri
Dem carry toto swear for Edo people, una no dey see where Dem write toto then ignore am undecided
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 11:24pm On Jan 19, 2019
nateevs:


I fully understand Sarri's system and Jorginho's importance in it. The point of my multiple questions to introduce the commencement of a resistance to your earlier statement (and one that has been perpetuated several times on this thread) that Jorginho is useless. My point was to establish that both those statements cannot true.


you've failed to prove your case though
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:27pm On Jan 19, 2019
Ibime:


Jorginho is the Killswitch for Sarri formation. If teams figure out they can neutralise him with diamond formation, then Sarri needs to tweak things.

Sacking Sarri is too hasty and premature but there are some streaks of stubbornness that everyone can see weak points every week, and Sarri will refuse to do anything about it. If playing with a Regista is a must for his system, is starting Alonso every week a must? Is playing without striker a must? These things are building up

This is our first loss which I watched live this season, I can imagine the same issues must have been grating on Chelsea fans who watched all of our losses this season.

Stubbornness no dey work for EPL oh. Coaches must adapt.

This is a truly balanced view of the situation. I think the most balanced I have seen.

There are no ifs actually; a regista is an absolute number one player for this system, as the regista dictates the smooth passage of play in between the lines - between the two midfielders in the midfield 3 and the over-lapping full backs. The idea is to create a triangle around play at every point on the pitch, from back to front, always! Jorginho makes this work.

But I also agree that if a regista is a must, other parts can be flexible. I for one believe that Sarri is wrong for consistently playing without a striker. I am yet to see a game where this has worked.

I am middle ground on Alonso, as I believe Alonso is a goal threat, infinitely more than Emerson. And Alonso's tactical awareness is top notch, even though he doesn't have the pace to burn. I have zero faith in Emerson - defensively and tactically.

Sarri is suffering from a few problems.

1. An inert midfield (creativity and goals wise) in Kante/Barkley and Kovacic.
2. A very unproductive attacking front line in Willian and partly, Pedro.
3. No striker.

The backline IMO is the very least of Sarri's problems.

I think Sarri will buy players (wingers and midfielders) eventually, and I think he can make the system work.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 11:32pm On Jan 19, 2019
nihilistjnr:


you've failed to prove your case though

You cannot argue that a player is a focal point of a tactical system, state that targeting that player weakens the overall stability and potency of the system, concede that opposition teams have tried this and have been successful at it, yet argue at the same that the focal point is useless. That's my point.


You could argue that the focal point could use an upgrade - which is true for every position - but not that it is useless.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by NLBigBoy: 11:40pm On Jan 19, 2019
I have always said it and will keep saying it, Chelsea in it’s entirety has a special brand of foolishness from its Ogogoro drinking fans to their Italian Mafia Managers to their Dubious Russian sugar daddies, everything about that club just reeks of stupidity...It’s only one set of fans that will expect to score against an elite team like Arsenal when they don’t even have a striker. How do you expect a fish to fly and a sparrow to swim Abeg Hold ya L...Any sensible person could smell your L from a mile away

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 11:48pm On Jan 19, 2019
Ibime:
I overheard BT Sport panel saying Sarri had a meltdown in interview and threw all the players under the bus, and that the players are likely to turn against him when they hear the interview. Who get the update?


The Chelsea players' way.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Olalekank(m): 11:49pm On Jan 19, 2019
NLBigBoy:
I have always said it and will keep saying it, Chelsea in it’s entirety has a special brand of foolishness from its Ogogoro drinking fans to their Italian Mafia Managers to their Dubious Russian sugar daddies, everything about that club just reeks of stupidity...It’s only one set of fans that will expect to score against an elite team like Arsenal when they don’t even have a striker. How do you expect a fish to fly and a sparrow to swim Abeg Hold ya L...Any sensible person could smell your L from a mile away
This one na vex o
Are you sure you have eaten?

Don't put your frustration here on nairaland. I have also accepted we have lost and just eaten


Calm down, we're coming back better when G. Higuain comes in

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 11:54pm On Jan 19, 2019
Jorginho is uber useless and no amount of well written epistle would mean less.moments like this,Usually makes me wish this was a studio where we can actually analyze this player in comparison with other world renowned regista like pirlo,xabi,carrick bringing in video evidences to buttress my point and save me the stress of writing long stories.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by PlainJAY(m): 12:03am On Jan 20, 2019
“It would appear this group of players are extremely difficult to motivate."

Someone's surely getting dropped from the starting XI next match.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:06am On Jan 20, 2019
nateevs:

I think Sarri will buy players (wingers and midfielders) eventually, and I think he can make the system work.

Don't let Unlimited22 see this oh.

More wingers? Is Sarri the new Emenalo? Even the winger Bayern are pinning hopes on, he hasn't had chance to play.

We don't need more midfielders either unless one is wedded to the idea of Regista and is simultaneously admitting that Jorginho has failed.

Pre-Sarri, we would consider Kante, Kovacic and Ampadu decent depth for the DM positions, and Barkley and RLC for the AM positions.

I see nothing but diminishing returns in buying a substitute for Jorginho. How does that improve the 11 on the pitch?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 12:17am On Jan 20, 2019
nateevs:


You cannot argue that a player is a focal point of a tactical system, state that targeting that player weakens the overall stability and potency of the system, concede that opposition teams have tried this and have been successful at it, yet argue at the same that the focal point is useless. That's my point.


You could argue that the focal point could use an upgrade - which is true for every position - but not that it is useless.



Jorginho as a person is not the focal point of Sarriball. The regista role is the focal point. Jorginho is just the guy tasked with executing the role.

It's an important distinction that's worth making.

if Jorginho got injured today, Sarri will most likely keep the same system and just play someone else in that role.

The reason we're all at Jorginho's neck is because we have now seen that he is not competent enough to execute that regista role in EPL, where every one and their mother will press him like a fan yogo satchet.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:18am On Jan 20, 2019
nihilistjnr:

playing with Milner and Matip in defence.
Vvd had an assist though.

Why should the Milner and Matip matter when the guy covering the whole defense the main reason for the clean sheets is there

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 12:18am On Jan 20, 2019
PlainJAY:


Last season Bakayoko cost you a pair of Airmax.

This season Sarri cost you a pair of Jordans.

Damn.

Nihilist wan turn to Goodluck Jonathan. He will soon have no shoes.

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