iamgenius:


I understood what you said perfectly. Are renting shops to beer palours and churches also under gbelepawo?

allow abdelkabir to answer you. Direct your question to him see if he can rent his place to these people you mentioned and money he earns from that whether it is halal or Haram. Go ahead

Now, I put you on hot seat

Empiree:
brother wallahi you don't seem to even understand this thread. Instead of wasting my time, kindly go back and read everything cus you mixing things up. For clarity, she is the one who said she quit her baking business. You and others don't understand anything I posted.


It is you guys that are trying to Haram everything. Go back up and re-read, please

The last part of my post is explaining things to her, when you mentioned that she said she quit the business.

And both parts of my post are telling you that you don't know how rulings are derived. Thanks.

Empiree:
allow abdelkabir to answer you. Direct your question to him see if he can rent his place to these people you mentioned and money he earns from that whether it is halal or Haram. Go ahead

Now, I put you on hot seat

You should answer that. It's you and I.

iamgenius:


The last part of my post is explaining things to her, when you mentioned that she said she quit the business.

And both parts of my post are telling you that you don't know how rulings are derived. Thanks.

it is only rational if you quotate which part and let's see

iamgenius:


You should answer that. It's you and I.

nope. you and him have indirectly considered my posts to be "misguided". So go ahead and help yourselves. I have my opinion on this and i wont allow you to steal it

Empiree:
nope. you and him have indirectly considered my posts to be "misguided". So go ahead and help yourselves. I have my opinion on this and i wont allow you to steal it

Your opinion on an Islamic ruling? You're funny, you're not even up to the standard of a student of knowledge.

iamgenius:


Your opinion on an Islamic ruling? You're funny, you're not even up to the standard of a student of knowledge.

Toor. Eyinwi. You are trying to divert attention. Stay in topic.

Is she wrong for quitting her baking business or not?

Empiree:
Toor. Eyinwi. You are trying to divert attention. Stay in topic.

Is she wrong for quitting her baking business or not?

I've answered that already.

iamgenius:
I've answered that already.

so you are in agreement with me then?.

Abdelkabir passively disagree with me. So what's the point of your wailing earlier?

Lol.

Religious people and mentally caged.

tintingz:
Lol.

Religious people and mentally caged.

she's just being concious what she earns which is good thing bcus we will account for it. But unfortunately she's not adequately equipped Islamically.

How about you?. Don't you think you are deceiving yourself?. Inside of you know the truth is the reason why you keep patronizing this section. Your conscience is speaking to you everyday. You feel guilty inside but satan is pranking your ego. I know this.

Empiree:
she's just being concious what she earns which is good thing bcus we will account for it. But unfortunately she's not adequately equipped Islamically.

It is silly(no offense) to ask questions and approval to this kinda business. This is a business that will fetch her income, something that doesn't hurt anyone and she's concious for what again?

Being dogmatic is a mental cage syndrome.

How about you?. Don't you think you are deceiving yourself?. Inside of you know the truth is the reason why you keep patronizing this section. Your conscience is speaking to you everyday. You feel guilty inside but satan is pranking your ego. I know this.

You're projecting too much which is fallacious.

tintingz:
It is silly(no offense) to ask questions and approval to this kinda business. This is a business that will fetch her income, something that doesn't hurt anyone and she's concious for what again?

she does has right to be conscious of what she earns. She has right to ask what she doesn't understand. Problem with atheists is that they don't know right from wrong. This is why you don't care about how you earn your income.

You're projecting too much which is fallacious.

it is a fact. Your conscience makes you feel guilty

Empiree:
she does has right to be conscious of what she earns. She has right to ask what she doesn't understand. Problem with atheists is that they don't know right from wrong. This is why you don't care about how you earn your income.

Lol, what's wrong with doing cakes and dinners for events as business? What's wrong with it?

What she should be asking is, how she can develop in her business.

And stop this fallacy, atheists know what's right and wrong, we don't need any archaic dogmatic approval before we do things.

Or is killing a gay, apostate right?

it is a fact. Your conscience makes you feel guilty

Lol a fact?, so you know what's in my mind.

tintingz:
Lol, what's wrong with doing cakes and dinners for events as business? What's wrong with it?

seems you did not read my comments from the beginning of the thread. I don't have problem with it but she does unfortunately. I tried to tell her that her business is sharia compliant but she's somehow convinced that she's involved in Haram business by baking for wedding party where there is free mixing. I disagree with her.

What she should be asking is, how she can develop in her business.

you can say that again.

And stop this fallacy, atheists know what's right and wrong, we don't need any archaic dogmatic approval before we do things.

nope, they don't. They only know what they think it's right. You just espoused that in your previous post.

Or is killing a gay, apostate right?

take your question elsewhere

Lol a fact?, so you know what's in my mind.

complete this phrase.

Your action speaks LOUDER............

Empiree:
seems you did not read my comments from the beginning of the thread. I don't have problem with it but she does unfortunately. I tried to tell her that her business is sharia compliant but she's somehow convinced that she's involved in Haram business by baking for wedding party where there is free mixing. I disagree with her.

Does she expects the world to be like amazon where only female exist? Most business involve gender mix. If she doesn't like it she should do business that involve only female, that does not wipe out men from existence.

Religion actually put people into this ridiculous dilemma, a delusion.

you can say that again.

nope, they don't. They only know what they think it's right. You just espoused that in your previous post.

How else do you determine what is right and wrong?

take your question elsewhere

You are the one that came up with right and wrong.

Is it right to kill gay?

complete this phrase.

Your action speaks LOUDER............

What if I told you you're ignorant, is it a fact?

tintingz:
Does she expects the world to be like amazon where only female exist? Most business involve gender mix. If she doesn't like it she should do business that involve only female, that does not wipe out men from existence.

Religion actually put people into this ridiculous dilemma, a delusion.

no, religion is not at fault here. She is rather ignorant of "Sunnah perceptives" she's seeking. She forgot that her business is about serving the public.

Is it right to kill gay?

you tell me. People who promote homosexuality now used to frown upon it decades ago. They used to arrest women for indecent dresses decades ago. Now, later generation are essentially atheists who know not right from wrong.

Empiree:
no, religion is not at fault here. She rather is rather ignorant of Sunnah perceptives she's seeking. She forgot that hey business is about serving public.

She doesn't need anyone to tell her catering business is right or wrong, we have brain for reason. She either find interest it or not, there's nothing wrong with catering business.

you tell me. People who promote homosexuality now used to frown upon it decades ago. They used to arrest women for indecent dresses decades ago. Now, later generation are essentially atheists who know not right from wrong.

Is it right to kill gay?

Answer and stop the red herring.

tintingz:
She doesn't need anyone to tell her catering business is right or wrong, we have brain for reason. She either find interest it or not, there's nothing wrong with catering business.

you and iamgenius sometimes possessed same level of thinking. You don't seem to understand what this thread is about. She never said her baking business is Haram. Her concern was it is Haram for her to bake for a wedding party where free mixing gathering and other vices might exist. She said baking for them is like encouraging free mixing and vices.

Because of this she discontinued her business. But I disagreed with her bcus her business was to bake for people. She's is not responsible for what goes on in the wedding gathering. That's none of her business. How does she determines opposite sexes mixing at wedding are not related?. But catering or baking for people is legit business. I don't know how she came about her thoughts. This makes her ignorant of the Sunnah. She would have been correct if her business was illegal and Haram but it is not.

Is it right to kill gay?

If govt of a country deems it illegal and it is backed by their Constitution, then, it becomes criminal offense to be gay in such country. In that case, ONLY govt has the right to persecute gay. No individual has the right to kill. That's tantamount to jungle justice and perpetrator must be punished.

Citizens are only obliged to report such activity but not put law in their hands. You understand?. So asking if it is right to kill gay is subjective. It is unguarded question.

If a country however doesn't criminalize homosexuality, then no one has the right to kill them. They enjoy freedom as anyone else but they do not have the right to infringe other people Constitutional rights.

Do Not Derail This Thread

^^^ I didn't see anywhere she said she has cancelled the business totally. She only cancelled making it for people she knows would use it for Haraam events such as birthdays.


It's like you selling condoms, and someone came to buy it from you. You don't have to ask whether he or she is married or not before selling for him or her. BUT IF YOU KNOW VERY WELL THE BUYER WILL SURELY USE IT FOR ZINA, THEN IT IS TANTAMOUNT TO HELPING HIM OR HER IN SUCH ACT(ZINA) BY SELLING IT TO HIM.

^^^

You are wasting your time. Kindly read what she said

aysh.a37:
Birthdays are haram. so is wedding dinners involving music n mixture of male n female who are not blood related. ,I think making birthday cakes is haram too because we are helping in trangression.I've decided to stop baking for weddings n dinners.

Now tell me, what else do you bake cake for besides these major events?. pay attention to bolded part, she didnt make exception. She used plural for WEDDINGS & DINNERS. Now, my question to you is, is baking for weddings where music and free mixing exist have anything to do with her business and how does she aide them in transgression?. Does she has business with free mixing and music at the weddings?. Is that what she is hired for?. Answer this please


Also she said birthdays are haram. Her evidence was Sheikh fulan siad it is haram. She did not bring "qola Allah qola rasul". Yet she said she needed "sunnah perspectives". Where in the sunnah it is said birthdays are forbidden please?. I dont think she realized gravity of making haram what Allah did not make haram.

So if she is not baking for weddings and dinners, it means she closed down her business. She did not use singular for wedding or dinner. She is wasting her time losing her own business due to lack of knowledge. She thinks she engages in haram. Later she will be online saying she is discriminated against is the reason she can not get a job.

^^

How does she determines free mixing of opposite sex at weddings and dinners are not relative?. Is that part of her job?

Empiree:


See bunch of confused people.

Best qualification

The ruling of permissibility of trading in the Qur'an is "umum - general". Only what Allah and His Prophet restricted (qaiid) will be exception. This is what the first confused guy failed to know when you quoted the verse of permissibility of all trading. Prophet has already forbid selling of alcohol (interestingly some of their celebrated sahabah continued to sell and drink alcohol after the death of Rasul).

Anyway, the OP and the student of Najmudeen (who is giving phone number of his teacher) and the rest of confused folks should give us one single evidence where Prophet forbid "birthday" not to mention baking cake for birthday.

Sure I still bake for graduation,eids,,walimas n lots more.Tnx

And you didn't read what she said there.
About the free mixing in weddings, according to the level of my knowledge but Allah knows best, the free mixing is not her business unless if she will also be partaking in the free mixing.
Since weddings are Halaal "aslan". Halaal things can be mixed with things that are not permissible, and that doesnt make it Haraam.

It's obvious they can't be all relatives, even there's limit of mixing between relatives like cousins to cousins mixing.

About the birthday, brother, don't follow your whims. I won't discuss this.

Empiree:
you and iamgenius sometimes possessed same level of thinking. You don't seem to understand what this thread is about. She never said her baking business is Haram. Her concern was it is Haram for her to bake for a wedding party where free mixing gathering and other vices might exist. She said baking for them is like encouraging free mixing and vices.

Because of this she discontinued her business. But I disagreed with her bcus her business was to bake for people. She's is not responsible for what goes on in the wedding gathering. That's none of her business. How does she determines opposite sexes mixing at wedding are not related?. But catering or baking for people is legit business. I don't know how she came about her thoughts. This makes her ignorant of the Sunnah. She would have been correct if her business was illegal and Haram but it is not.

This was influenced by her religion. Muslim women are not allowed to be in mix gender gathering.

Again, most business are mix gender, the world she is living is mix gender.

If govt of a country deems it illegal and it is backed by their Constitution, then, it becomes criminal offense to be gay in such country. In that case, ONLY govt has the right to persecute gay. No individual has the right to kill. That's tantamount to jungle justice and perpetrator must be punished.

Citizens are only obliged to report such activity but not put law in their hands. You understand?. So asking if it is right to kill gay is subjective. It is unguarded question.

If a country however doesn't criminalize homosexuality, then no one has the right to kill them. They enjoy freedom as anyone else but they do not have the right to infringe other people Constitutional rights.

Do Not Derail This Thread

I'm talking about your own morality, you said atheists don't know what's right or wrong. This is ad hominem fallacy.

Again, from your own morality, is it right to kill gay?

What determine what's right and wrong, is it the government?

AlBaqir:


Best qualification

The ruling of permissibility of trading in the Qur'an is "umum - general". Only what Allah and His Prophet restricted (qaiid) will be exception. This is what the first confused guy failed to know when you quoted the verse of permissibility of all trading. Prophet has already forbid selling of alcohol (interestingly some of their celebrated sahabah continued to sell and drink alcohol after the death of Rasul).

Anyway, the OP and the student of Najmudeen (who is giving phone number of his teacher) and the rest of confused folks should give us one single evidence where Prophet forbid "birthday" not to mention baking cake for birthday.

What I found disturbing is that the op has even decided that birthdays are haram from the onset. ONLY Allah and his messenger have the rights to declare something haram. But people just throw halal and haram cheaply about.


Even if consensus of scholars would declare something haram, on what basis? On what grounds was the Qiyas based? The Rasul didn't celebrate birthdays, but did he declare it haram? Did Allah declare it haram? On what grounds are the scholars declaring it to be haram? I don't celebrate birthdays and I am not an advocate for it. I just need to why birthdays are haram from kitab wa sunnah or consensus of scholars with sound evidences.

Please, we should be extremely careful with word "haram and halal".

tintingz:
This

Again, from your own morality, is it right to kill gay?

What determine what's right and wrong, is it the government?

your question is irrational. I have answered you unless you have ulterior motives.

iamgenius:

It's obvious they can't be all relatives, even there's limit of mixing between relatives like cousins to cousins mixing.

it is still not her business to worry about free mixing. Stress only hire to bake cake. Period. Bake your cake, present to them, collect your check and bounce. What's her business with free
filledsu mixing?. She be police?.
Who's

About the birthday, brother, don't follow your whims. I won't discuss this.

and you guys aren't following your whims by declaring birthdays Haram without proof?. She declared it Haram onset and you and the abdelkabir shared the same view without evidence. Who's following whims?

Empiree:
your question is irrational. I have answered you unless you have ulterior motives.

Ok, the government determines your morality?

tintingz:
Ok, the government determines your morality?

why is your focus on gay?. Aren't there other vices that some govt consider illegal and criminalized?

Empiree:
why is your focus on gay?. Aren't there other vices that some govt consider illegal and criminalized?

Ok, is killing apostate right?

Dude, tell us your own morality stance on this and stop this straws.

AbdelKabir:


As for Islamqa.info, I advice you stop using that site, the owner of the site saalih munajjid is a hardcore Qutubiy(a branch from the ikhwaanul muslimoon, muslim brotherhood) and the scholars of Medina have warned against him, he is at the moment in prison for his affiliations with ikhwaanul muslimoon.

I swear by Allah, his website provides proofs with daleel, from Qur'an and Sunnah. I will not allow the politics of the Middle east to cause me to be a blind follower. Because he is of the Muslim brotherhood does that make him a kafir? I have seen many Salafi scholars that promote the content of the website, I will not allow government scholars to make me a zombie. Have you done your own research about the Muslim brotherhood? Why were they a tgreat to America? Learn about this. Don't be a blind follower brother.