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funmisticqueen:
you are so enlightened my brother. The last time i said men and women are different but should be treated equally, i was called a daughter of lilith. I havent used the term since then.

Lilith?

The "Biblical" one?

Are you trying to "Brother zone" me?

I've got my eyes on you

CHoccolaTE:
Look am not new at this, I have read all manner of shady internet 'researches' that 'prove' that one gender is supposedly superior to the other.
According to wikipedia,
Differences in human intelligence have long been a topic of debate among researchers and scholars. With the advent of the concept of g or general intelligence, many researchers have argued for no significant sex differences in g factor or general intelligence,[1][2] while others have argued for greater intelligence for males, [3] and others for females.[4]

There is inconclusive proof on which gender is more intelligent, some researchers will tell you its men, some will say its women and some will say there is no difference.

I also have links that show that women are more intelligent, let me show you my own links.

According to the BIGGEST brain study:,
Women have bigger brain regions associated with intelligence

In the largest study yet on sex in the physical makeup of the human brain, researchers from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland have shown that men and women do, in fact, have different brain structures and sizes. Women tend to have thicker cortices, which are associated with intelligence, whereas men’s brains tend to be bigger overall
https://qz.com/956839/men-and-womens-brains-are-shaped-differently-according-to-the-biggest-brain-study-yet/amp/


Another one
Women finally have higher IQs than men
iven that women have long outnumbered men on college campuses and hold more advanced degrees than their male counterparts, it makes sense that they would also score higher on IQ tests. But for the last 100 years, they’ve lagged behind men by as much as five points—although their scores have been rising.
Finally, according to IQ expert James Flynn, women have closed the IQ gap and are in fact scoring higher than men, reports the Telegraph.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/16/why-women-finally-have-higher-iqs-than-men/

Another one
Why women are cleverer than men
Women have long asserted that they are cleverer than men. Now scientists claim to have proved that their intellectual superiority lasts a lifetime.
Research on 600 85-year-olds showed the women were much quicker and sharper than the men - despite the female candidates generally having a much lower standard of education. The results suggest the difference between the male and the female brains is biological, not social, say the researchers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-54286/Why-women-cleverer-men.html

Another one,

Dr Joseph Devlin, head of experimental psychology at University College London, said: “This is a well-researched study but the evidence is not strong enough to prove that larger male brains are more intelligent than smaller female brains, which makes it a leap of faith, using a measure of general intelligence which has little basis.
“Men and women’s brains are different and we know spatial navigation is slightly better in men than women, while women tend to have a better vocabulary.
“But we should be sceptical of claims that men are smarter than women, especially when there is little to no evidence for that and lots of evidence to the contrary

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/801912/Men-women-bigger-brains-science-study-research-revealed/amp


Another

Women Are Smarter Than Men In Countries With Gender-Equal Societies
In certain countries, women greatly outperformed men. In Sweden, for example, women outperformed men by a larger margin than in any other country.
After scouring through their results more carefully, the team noticed that a correlation between the cognitive performance of women and the perceived gender gap in their country of residence cropped up. In countries where women were assigned to more traditional, servile, family-focused roles and had less access to education in the way men did, their cognitive performances were worse.
https://www.iflscience.com/brain/women-smarter-men-countries-genderequal-societies/

i can strongly say those link you posted are online magazines with left political views.

anyway, researchgate is a journal for researchers from all over the world and it is reputable.

your first link didn't prove anything, there was no conclusion and it didn't say women are intelligent than men

your second link- But for the last 100 years, women have lagged behind men by as much as five points—although their scores have been rising.

your third link- no reliable source

your fourth link-Researchers at Erasmus University in Rotterdam hoped to crack the age old query with a study analysing volunteers’ brains to compare the male and female organs.Testing 900 people, scientists conducted a series of MRI scans on participants aged 22 to 37 as part of the Human Connectome Project.In a shocking discovery, the team found the answer to the much debated question - and can now reveal that male brains are in fact bigger.But the latest research from the Netherlands also found women are less intelligent than men by 3.75 IQ points on average and do significantly worse in tests of spatial ability.[/b]Lead author Dr Dimitri van der Linden said: “[b]We found that men’s brains are larger than women’s and our analysis suggests this is the reason for lower average general intelligence across a range of tests."

your last link- Women Are Smarter Than Men In Countries With Gender-Equal Societies, in that article it wrote that Ghanaian men outperformed women on cognitive tests by the greatest margin.

wetdick:
i can strongly say those link you posted are online magazines with left political views.

I can as well say the researches you posted were biased against women because of current researches which show that inequality against women has been a great contributory factor to the supposedly 'low' IQ tests because I posted a link that showed that increasing equality among genders is closing that imaginary gap that used to be there.

your first link didn't prove anything, there was no conclusion and it didn't say women are intelligent than men

That link was a Wikipedia quote that explained that tests showing differences in intelligence over the years have been contradictory and inconclusive and it would be unwise to say a particular gender is smarter than the other because of these tests.

your second link- But for the last 100 years, women have lagged behind men by as much as five points—although their scores have been rising.

That's the point I was trying to make, social and economic disadvantage to women has contributed to their lagging behind in these tests but their scores are rising, like you yourself said.

your third link- no reliable source

Nope, at the end of the article this is written,
"The results are published today in the British Medical Assocation's Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry."
Just because there are no internet links doesn't mean there is no source.

our fourth link-Researchers at Erasmus University in Rotterdam hoped to crack the age old query with a study analysing volunteers’ brains to compare the male and female organs.Testing 900 people, scientists conducted a series of MRI scans on participants aged 22 to 37 as part of the Human Connectome Project.In a shocking discovery, the team found the answer to the much debated question - and can now reveal that male brains are in fact bigger.But the latest research from the Netherlands also found women are less intelligent than men by 3.75 IQ points on average and do significantly worse in tests of spatial ability.[/b]Lead author Dr Dimitri van der Linden said: “[b]We found that men’s brains are larger than women’s and our analysis suggests this is the reason for lower average general intelligence across a range of tests."

I like how you skipped all the parts of the link that said women's brains are used more efficiently, how you skipped the parts that said the topic of gender intelligence is still a hotly debated topic and we shouldn't draw conclusions. I like how you skipped all those parts and copy and pasted the parts that favoured your argument. I like how you also ignored this part:
Dr Joseph Devlin, head of experimental psychology at University College London, said: “This is a well-researched study but the evidence is not strong enough to prove that larger male brains are more intelligent than smaller female brains, which makes it a leap of faith, using a measure of general intelligence which has little basis.
“Men and women’s brains are different and we know spatial navigation is slightly better in men than women, while women tend to have a better vocabulary.
“But we should be sceptical of claims that men are smarter than women, especially when there is little to no evidence for that and lots of evidence to the contrary.”

our last link- Women Are Smarter Than Men In Countries With Gender-Equal Societies, in that article it wrote that Ghanaian men outperformed women on cognitive tests by the greatest margin.

[/quote]In that same link:
Both factors varied wildly between nations and individuals. In certain countries, women greatly outperformed men. In Sweden, for example, women outperformed men by a larger margin than in any other country.


The most important thing which I personally care about are the two researches that show that women have thicker brain cortices than men, brain cortex is the part that is responsible for intelligence and women have more of that. That was the second link, the largest study yet on sex in the physical makeup of the human brain, by researchers from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland
Secondly, according to my last link, gender inequality is what made women perform poorly on those tests and in countries with less gender bias against women, like Sweden, women actually did better than men in intelligence tests.

pocohantas:
You get the twist.

Tell a black man he is inferior to the white man, he would cry racism. But these same elements will keep screaming how they are superior to women because they have some supposed larger brains. I guess the white man is the one with a larger brain, I honestly cannot see anything spectacular about the brain of a black man. Not with the way they reason

only if you knew the meaning of what you type here.

Ranchhoddas:
Lilith?

The "Biblical" one?

Are you trying to "Brother zone" me?

I've got my eyes on you

yes, the one before eve. I am not brotherzoning you lol.

Fisher007:
Strong Adam. You will learn the way Adam in the bible learnt. Eve wey chop apple( Knowledge) before your kind and no tell you till last minute when God dey come na him fit your type. Dey feel say you dey wise pass woman.

Or say you can play strong mental game pass them. They will humble you with their gimmicks.

Enjoy sir.

My guy, you are a weak man! Reason why i called you a sissy nigga! It's your type that ladies take and use as "maga" because you start acting like a "mumu" whenever you see a woman just because of that thing between their legs.

Women are not wiser nor mentally stronger according to your erroneous assertion. Let's face it practically, put a number of men and women through vigorous mental tests like coding, mathematical computations/analysis and logical reasoning and see who will come out on top.

How many women can you point out as pioneers in the field of Technology? What about Medicine? Can you even name any of their invention(s)?

See reasoning of a typical Biafra bimbo... lol.
Your husband de try.

Amarabae:
Every man alive today came out from the vagina.
We are superior. Ladies

Drdreyy:
My guy, you are a weak man! Reason why i called you a sissy nigga! It's your type that ladies take and use as "maga" because you start acting like a "mumu" whenever you see a woman just because of that thing between their legs.

Women are not wiser nor mentally stronger according to your erroneous assertion. Let's face it practically, put a number of men and women through vigorous mental tests like coding, mathematical computations/analysis and logical reasoning and see who will come out on top.

How many women can you point out as pioneers in the field of Technology? What about Medicine? Can you even name any of their invention(s)?

On a normal day I will insult you and prove to you that you an asshole. But since I careless about your opinion I will let you enjoy your stupidity.

Wish you luck. You will learn the hardway.

CHoccolaTE:
I can as well say the researches you posted were biased against women because of current researches which show that inequality against women has been a great contributory factor to the supposedly 'low' IQ tests because I posted a link that showed that increasing equality among genders is closing that imaginary gap that used to be there.

That link was a Wikipedia quote that explained that tests showing differences in intelligence over the years have been contradictory and inconclusive and it would be unwise to say a particular gender is smarter than the other because of these tests.

That's the point I was trying to make, social and economic disadvantage to women has contributed to their lagging behind in these tests but their scores are rising, like you yourself said.

Nope, at the end of the article this is written,
"The results are published today in the British Medical Assocation's Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry."
Just because there are no internet links doesn't mean there is no source.


I like how you skipped all the parts of the link that said women's brains are used more efficiently, how you skipped the parts that said the topic of gender intelligence is still a hotly debated topic and we shouldn't draw conclusions. I like how you skipped all those parts and copy and pasted the parts that favoured your argument. I like how you also ignored this part:
Dr Joseph Devlin, head of experimental psychology at University College London, said: “This is a well-researched study but the evidence is not strong enough to prove that larger male brains are more intelligent than smaller female brains, which makes it a leap of faith, using a measure of general intelligence which has little basis.
“Men and women’s brains are different and we know spatial navigation is slightly better in men than women, while women tend to have a better vocabulary.
“But we should be sceptical of claims that men are smarter than women, especially when there is little to no evidence for that and lots of evidence to the contrary.”



In that same link:
Both factors varied wildly between nations and individuals. In certain countries, women greatly outperformed men. In Sweden, for example, women outperformed men by a larger margin than in any other country.


The most important thing which I personally care about are the two researches that show that women have thicker brain cortices than men, brain cortex is the part that is responsible for intelligence and women have more of that. That was the second link, the largest study yet on sex in the physical makeup of the human brain, by researchers from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland
Secondly, according to my last link, gender inequality is what made women perform poorly on those tests and in countries with less gender bias against women, like Sweden, women actually did better than men in intelligence tests.

i wasn't talking about bias here, I was pointing to the facts that this magazine are left wing.

Just because they say women have thicker brain cortices and it is responsible for intelligence doesn't mean women are smarter than men

also, you wrote that the reason women have done badly in iq tests is that they are socially and economically disadvantaged, pls tell me how they are disadvantaged when they can now attend universities, work and infact get equal pay.

if we were to conduct an iq test in Nigeria between men and women, men will still come on top. now, tell me, what gender inequalities or bias men in Nigeria have against women.Even in Sweden, with their so-called gender equality men, still get paid higher than women and this has to do with the decisions men take and women take.

there is nothing like British Medical Association's Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry rather, Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery, and Psychiatry. so the article is fake.

if women are smarter than men, Pls list 10 inventions done by women.

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Fisher007:
On a normal day I will insult you and prove to you that you an asshole. But since I careless about your opinion I will let you enjoy your stupidity.

Wish you luck. You will learn the hardway.

[/s]

I know you don't have valid points to support your stupid claim and would rather resort to throwing insults.

You can continue with your asslicking of the female gender, nobody cares.

And does this in anyway connote superiority or inferiority.

I really think a woman can never be equal to a man, neither can a man be equal to a woman.
They are different on some levels.

But we all know anything a man can do, a woman has also the right, potential and ability to do it. Sometimes even better.

@wetdick stop wasting your time and energy in arguing with those sissy niggas. We know them. They are nothing but female asslickers and a disgrace to the male gender

Ask them how many women will gladly admit that men are superior in anyway? how many women have you seen supporting and arguing on behalf of men that men are superior?

Women will always support their own gender, no matter the circumstance. But for men, the reverse is the case. We have some asslickers amongst us that will always support the female gender just because of pussyy.

wetdick:
i wasn't talking about bias here, I was pointing to the facts that this magazine are left wing.

First of all I don't believe the articles are left wing, I quoted a wikipedia article that says gender intelligence tests are inconclusive so we shouldn't say there is a more or less intelligent gender. Is Wikipedia also left wing?
Also left wing doesn't imply that the articles are fallacious. That it supports gender equality or that it goes against your need to brand women as stupider than men doesn't mean it is fallacious.

Just because they say women have thicker brain cortices and it is responsible for intelligence doesn't mean women are smarter than men

I agree, there is no smarter or dumber gender. Humans have intelligence in varying forms, some people are musically intelligent, some are mathatically intelligent, some are verbally intelligent, socially intelligent, emotionally intelligent etc. You cannot brand a human being stupid because he can't perform some tasks another person can
That person will definitely have something they are good at. If you judge a fish by its ability to ride a bicycle you will end up wrongly concluding that it is stupid.
In the same IQ tests you were talking about which which initially favoured men before they started to tilt in favour of women due to better socioeconomic opportunities, those IQ tests puts many men in the bottom of the list, that is much more men failed the IQ tests than women. Can we conclude that men are stupider than women because more men were in the bottom of the list than women? You want to say men are smarter because in old IQ tests there were more men on the topic the list, there were also more men failing than women. Women majorly occupied the middle part of the IQ test. More men failed, why didn't you focus on that?
Anyway that's not important, recent studies have shown that better opportunities for women has closed that gap between male and female IQ test results.
also, you wrote that the reason women have done badly in iq tests is that they are socially and economically disadvantaged, pls tell me how they are disadvantaged when they can now attend universities, work and infact get equal pay.

if we were to conduct an iq test in Nigeria between men and women, men will still come on top. now, tell me, what gender inequalities or bias men in Nigeria have against women.Even in Sweden, with their so-called gender equality men, still get paid higher than women and this has to do with the decisions men take and women take.

You know what, might have to agree with you here about Nigerian men doing better than Nigerian women. Why? Many Nigerian women are still restricted in the kind of life they live and in how they can developed themselves with education
The average woman is expected to be married by age 30, her dreams of furthering her education and keeping her mind sharp will likely be cut short by staying home and taking care of children, unlike men who will still actively remain mentally oriented because of better chances to get masters, PhD, even to travel out for further studies. In Nigeria some men even mandate their wives to stay at home and not work, some will even stop their wives from doing certain jobs and she is expected to obey him because Nigeria is a very Misogynistic society.

Also Swedish men earning higher than Swedish women doesn't change the fact that the women outperformed them in IQ tests.

there is nothing like British Medical Association's Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry rather, Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery, and Psychiatry. so the article is fake.

Wrong,
Article isnt fake.
Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry is published by BMJ
Publishing Group Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the British Medical
Association.
The BMA grants editorial freedom to the Editor of Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry. Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry

women are smarter than men, Pls list 10 inventions done by women.

Abeg use Google. They are there.
If you want to judge intelligence by inventions then that means white people are smarter than black people.
Women were not given the same amount of higher education men were given in the olden days, that and the fact that women up untill today have to sacrifice career and ambitions for the home front or for marriage.

CHoccolaTE:
First of all I don't believe the articles are left wing, I quoted a wikipedia article that says gender intelligence tests are inconclusive so we shouldn't say there is a more or less intelligent gender. Is Wikipedia also left wing?
Also left wing doesn't imply that the articles are fallacious. That it supports gender equality or that it goes against your need to brand women as stupider than men doesn't mean it is fallacious.



I agree, there is no smarter or dumber gender. Humans have intelligence in varying forms, some people are musically intelligent, some are mathatically intelligent, some are verbally intelligent, socially intelligent, emotionally intelligent etc. You cannot brand a human being stupid because he can't perform some tasks another person can
That person will definitely have something they are good at. If you judge a fish by its ability to ride a bicycle you will end up wrongly concluding that it is stupid.
In the same IQ tests you were talking about which which initially favoured men before they started to tilt in favour of women due to better socioeconomic opportunities, those IQ tests puts many men in the bottom of the list, that is much more men failed the IQ tests than women. Can we conclude that men are stupider than women because more men were in the bottom of the list than women? You want to say men are smarter because in old IQ tests there were more men on the topic the list, there were also more men failing than women. Women majorly occupied the middle part of the IQ test. More men failed, why didn't you focus on that?
Anyway that's not important, recent studies have shown that better opportunities for women has closed that gap between male and female IQ test results.
also, you wrote that the reason women have done badly in iq tests is that they are socially and economically disadvantaged, pls tell me how they are disadvantaged when they can now attend universities, work and infact get equal pay.


You know what, might have to agree with you here about Nigerian men doing better than Nigerian women. Why? Many Nigerian women are still restricted in the kind of life they live and in how they can developed themselves with education
The average woman is expected to be married by age 30, her dreams of furthering her education and keeping her mind sharp will likely be cut short by staying home and taking care of children, unlike men who will still actively remain mentally oriented because of better chances to get masters, PhD, even to travel out for further studies. In Nigeria some men even mandate their wives to stay at home and not work, some will even stop their wives from doing certain jobs and she is expected to obey him because Nigeria is a very Misogynistic society.

Also Swedish men earning higher than Swedish women doesn't change the fact that the women outperformed them in IQ tests.


Wrong,
Article isnt fake.
Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry is published by BMJ
Publishing Group Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the British Medical
Association.
The BMA grants editorial freedom to the Editor of Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry. Journal of Neurology, Neurosurgery & Psychiatry



Abeg use Google. They are there.
If you want to judge intelligence by inventions then that means white people are smarter than black people.
Women were not given the same amount of higher education men were given in the olden days, that and the fact that women up untill today have to sacrifice career and ambitions for the home front or for marriage.

on wikipedia, anybody can edit anything, as long as you have a source, it is open source, in fact, wikipedia is going left wing so they wont go out of business.

Nobody is stopping women from taking up opportunities in Nigeria, it is just that women have decided to go with subjects that basically are simple, not relevant or jobs that pay low, any woman can be whatever she wants, and some women have proven it even though they are married, many women here are lazy, a woman can be anything she wants in Nigeria, she just have to prove it and show it. in life everything is a choice. so it is not the men fault but her fault to go and marry instead of pursuing a career.

your assumption that women are not given opportunities because they have to sacrifice home and career and ambitions for the home front or for marriage is wrong, Nobody is stopping a woman from marriage. women themselves decide to have a family, than a career, what about other women who are successful and still have a family to cater for. i hate all these complains you are giving it doesn't make one sense, they are all excuses.There are women who have chosen career over motherhood, and any woman can do it if she wants.

Nigeria is not a misogynist society, you make it seems like it is, there is equal opportunity for all and stop blaming the men, a woman that graduates after university and marry, is it society or men fault or her fault? Nigeria women are not restricted, they themselves have decided to restrict themselves.

There are lot of researches that proves that if given equal opportunities, a woman will still want to be house wife and let the man be the provider. there is reason women are at disadvantaged and that is because of biological reasons and not because of men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634473/The-job-makes-happiest-Housewife-Survey-finds-stay-home-mothers-satisfied-profession.html

In sweden with its equal opportunities, women still choose subject and professionals that are low paying or professionals that has to do with people while men choose professionals that has to do with things and also are risky.


In Sweden, possibly the most feminist country in the world, the national School Board decided that women needed to have a more “equal” result on the University Test (similar to SAT in the US). Girls already have better grades, which is considered “equality”, so they wanted the girls’ better grades to be reflected in the University Test too. Because if girls are better it is considered equality but if boys are better it is considered discrimination.Since girls had better grades in math, the board made the math part of the test larger, hoping it would increase the score of women.It turned out to do the opposite. Despite having better grades, women performed worse on the math part of the University Test. So the following year, the school board decided to increase the proportion of the verbal part instead, to make women’s results more equal to the men.

there are fewer women inventors.

for the white men vs black men inventor, the only reason white men have more invention is that their systems support innovations and research,also there is plenty of money to spend for research abroad also Nigeria men have proven that if they have to work in the same condition, they will also do well.

wetdick:
on wikipedia, anybody can edit anything, as long as you have a source, it is open source, in fact, wikipedia is going left wing so they wont go out of business.

Nobody is stopping women from taking up opportunities in Nigeria, it is just that women have decided to go with subjects that basically are simple, not relevant or jobs that pay low, any woman can be whatever she wants, and some women have proven it even though they are married, many women here are lazy, a woman can be anything she wants in Nigeria, she just have to prove it and show it. in life everything is a choice. so it is not the men fault but her fault to go and marry instead of pursuing a career.

your assumption that women are not given opportunities because they have to sacrifice home and career and ambitions for the home front or for marriage is wrong, Nobody is stopping a woman from marriage. women themselves decide to have a family, than a career, what about other women who are successful and still have a family to cater for. i hate all these complains you are giving it doesn't make one sense, they are all excuses.There are women who have chosen career over motherhood, and any woman can do it if she wants.

There are lot of research that proves that if given equal opportunities, a woman will still want to be house wife and let the man be the provider. there is reason women are at disadvantaged and that is because of biological reasons and not because of men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634473/The-job-makes-happiest-Housewife-Survey-finds-stay-home-mothers-satisfied-profession.html

Nigeria is not a misogynist society, you make it seems like it is, there is equal opportunity for all and stop blaming the men, a woman that graduates after university and marry, is it society or men fault or her fault? Nigeria women are not restricted, they themselves have decided to restrict themselves.

In Sweden, possibly the most feminist country in the world, the national School Board decided that women needed to have a more “equal” result on the University Test (similar to SAT in the US). Girls already have better grades, which is considered “equality”, so they wanted the girls’ better grades to be reflected in the University Test too. Because if girls are better it is considered equality but if boys are better it is considered discrimination.Since girls had better grades in math, the board made the math part of the test larger, hoping it would increase the score of women.It turned out to do the opposite. Despite having better grades, women performed worse on the math part of the University Test. So the following year, the school board decided to increase the proportion of the verbal part instead, to make women’s results more equal to the men.

there are fewer women inventors.

for the white men vs black men inventor, the only reason white men have more invention is that their systems support innovations and research,also there is plenty of money to spend for research abroad also Nigeria men have proven that if they have to work in the same condition, they will also do well.

This your argument has shifted gears from the original point which is that there is no stupider or more intelligent gender,

Men are not more intelligent than women
Period.

All this one you are writing is another topic entirely.

CHoccolaTE:
This your argument has shifted gears from the original point which is that there is no stupider or more intelligent gender,

Men are not more intelligent than women
Period.

All this one you are writing is another topic entirely.

they are not, you brought up the issue and i answerd them, you can read what you wrote

and i still stand with my words men are intelligent than women.

iq test have proven it, even in your wikipedia Differences have been reported, however, in specific areas such as mathematics and verbal measures. Also, the variability of male scores is greater than that of females, resulting in more males than females in the top and bottom of the IQ distribution.

Setting the male score at 100, Flynn found that women scored the lowest in Australia (99.5)[quote][/quote]In 1997, a study in Denmark further concluded that men have about 15 percent more neurons, the functional unit of the brain, than women.

In 1999, Professor Lynn concluded that men on average had an IQ three to four point higher than women.

In 2006, Canadian scientists conducted a study of around 100,000 people based upon an analysis of SAT scores that correlates to IQ. They boosted the ego of men further by claiming that men had four to five points higher IQ than women.

The average male advantage was found "throughout the entire distribution of scores, in every level of family income, for every level of fathers' and of mothers' education, and for each and every one of seven ethnic groups," professor of psychology at the University of Western Ontario and one of the authors of the study, J. Philippe Rushton had said.

For decades, psychologists had accepted that men averaged higher on 'spatial ability tests' and females higher on 'verbal ability test'. However, the results of the study shattered this myth. The final nail in the coffin was struck by Irwing and Lynn who concluded, "Men are more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average, making them better suited for tasks of high complexity."

wetdick:
they are not, you brought up the issue and i answerd them, you can read what you wrote

and i still stand with my words men are intelligent than women.

iq test have proven it, even in your wikipedia Differences have been reported, however, in specific areas such as mathematics and verbal measures. Also, the variability of male scores is greater than that of females, resulting in more males than females in the top and bottom of the IQ distribution.

Setting the male score at 100, Flynn found that women scored the lowest in Australia (99.5)

In 1997, a study in Denmark further concluded that men have about 15 percent more neurons, the functional unit of the brain, than women.

In 1999, Professor Lynn concluded that men on average had an IQ three to four point higher than women.

In 2006, Canadian scientists conducted a study of around 100,000 people based upon an analysis of SAT scores that correlates to IQ. They boosted the ego of men further by claiming that men had four to five points higher IQ than women.

The average male advantage was found "throughout the entire distribution of scores, in every level of family income, for every level of fathers' and of mothers' education, and for each and every one of seven ethnic groups," professor of psychology at the University of Western Ontario and one of the authors of the study, J. Philippe Rushton had said.

For decades, psychologists had accepted that men averaged higher on 'spatial ability tests' and females higher on 'verbal ability test'. However, the results of the study shattered this myth. The final nail in the coffin was struck by Irwing and Lynn who concluded, "Men are more intelligent than women by about five IQ points on average, making them better suited for tasks of high complexity."

Stand by your links and beliefs while I stand by my links and beliefs.

At this point we are just going round in circles, its back to square one of posting links that support your claim and I have more important things to do with my time than to keep repeating to you that women have also scored higher on IQ tests and have thicker brain cortices which is associated with intelligence.
The same scientists who conducted intelligence tests have also said to not draw conclusions that one gender is more intelligent or less intelligent but because you want to tell yourself that men are smarter you select which research to believe and which one to ignore.


Just look at this part of your quote,

Also, the variability of male scores is greater than that of females, resulting in more males than females in the top and bottom of the IQ distribution.

More men are at the BOTTOM of the destribution.

Since you want to conclude men are smarter because they are on top of outdated IQ tests then that means they are also DUMBER because more men failed the tests than women.

CHoccolaTE:
Stand by your links and beliefs while I stand by my links and beliefs.

At this point we are just going round in circles, its back to square one of posting links that support your claim and I have more important things to do with my time than to keep repeating to you that women have also scored higher on IQ tests and have thicker brain cortices which is associated with intelligence.
The same scientists who conducted intelligence tests have also said to not draw conclusions that one gender is more intelligent or less intelligent but because you want to tell yourself that men are smarter you select which research to believe and which one to ignore.


Just look at this part of your quote,

More men are at the BOTTOM of the destribution.

Since you want to conclude men are smarter because they are on top of outdated IQ tests then that means they are also DUMBER because more men failed the tests than women.

you forgot to add the part of the variability of male scores is greater than that of females

my arguement were not Confirmation biases but facts

wetdick:
you forgot to add the part of the variability of male scores is greater than that of females

my arguement were not Confirmation biases but facts

I didn't forget to add anything, more men were at the bottom of the test result distribution so going by your argument, men are dumber than women.

My arguments were not drawn from research which have been deemed inconclusive and which are outdated. My arguments are facts.

CHoccolaTE:
I didn't forget to add anything, more men were at the bottom of the test result distribution so going by your argument, men are dumber than women.

My arguments were not drawn from research which have been deemed inconclusive and which are outdated. My arguments are facts.

in simple english,what it means that men and women were at the botton but more men than women were at the bottom because it was a fixed pattern also there were more men at the top than women

you are using pieces of information which reinforces your pre-existing views while avoiding contradictory information which are facts and researches done by experts

This will not end, it is like a gender war now. i know you won't give up.

wetdick:
in simple english,what it means that men and women were at the botton but more men than women were at the bottom because it was not a fixed pattern also men came out on top.( men were on top and at the bottom)

you are using information which reinforces your pre-existing views while avoiding contradictory information

This will not end, it is like a gender war now

Do you now see why the same scientists that carried out this test said it should not be uses as a basis for saying one gender is smarter or dumber?
Because more men passed and also MORE MEN FAILED

If you want to draw conclusions that men are more intelligent because old IQ tests placed more men on top of the distribution curve, then you have to also agree that men are more stupid because there are more men at the bottom of the distribution.
That's why the scientists who conducted the research said that on AVERAGE male and female intelligence is equal.

I am not using any information that enforces any pre existing views, you are the one doing that.
The same Flynn who you quoted earlier on said this about female intelligence:

"Analyzing those 5 datasets and throwing away all of the older studies from the prior generation (prior to 1982), he compared men and women on the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, a test of abstract, logical reasoning. Setting the male score at 100, Flynn found that women scored the lowest in Australia (99.5), but in the other 4 nations Raven's scores varied from 100.5 to 101.5. After presenting this data, he noted:
"So they certainly equaled men, and perhaps were slightly above. This has been distorted in the news of my saying that women are incredibly more intelligent than men. As you can see, this somewhat goes beyond what was claimed."

The audience chuckled. Flynn then goes on make the argument that in every country in which women have been allowed full entry into modernity in terms of educational opportunities, they are now matching men on Raven's. As for the fraction of a point advantage in IQ for women,

"I suspect that is a characterological trait. They are also more focused in the testing room just as they are more focused in the classroom[b]. So my conclusion is the sexes on the Raven's is probably dead equal for cognitive factors and there is a very slight female advantage for characterological traits.[/b] This is mere extrapolation from what happens at secondary school. You would expect a little female advantage because of temperamental differences."

Flynn notes that in his class at the University of Otago, "2/3rd of the students are women, and 2/3rd of the late essays are men." He says this is a universal phenomenon. He also notes that "I'm not saying the genders are equal. They're equal in their ability to deal with using logic on the abstract problems of Raven's". He points out that if you try to intentionally create a gender neutral IQ test by throwing out items that favor one gender over the other, you find that you can't eliminate a female verbal advantage and a male advantage for visual spatial items."

THERE IS NO SMARTER OR DUMBER GENDER

But tell yourself whatever makes you happy.

CHoccolaTE:
Do you now see why the same scientists that carried out this test said it should not be uses as a basis for saying one gender is smarter or dumber?
Because more men passed and also MORE MEN FAILED

If you want to draw conclusions that men are more intelligent because old IQ tests placed more men on top of the distribution curve, then you have to also agree that men are more stupid because there are more men at the bottom of the distribution.
That's why the scientists who conducted the research said that on AVERAGE male and female intelligence is equal.

I am not using any information that enforces any pre existing views, you are the one doing that.
The same Flynn who you quoted earlier on said this about female intelligence:

"Analyzing those 5 datasets and throwing away all of the older studies from the prior generation (prior to 1982), he compared men and women on the Raven's Progressive Matrices test, a test of abstract, logical reasoning. Setting the male score at 100, Flynn found that women scored the lowest in Australia (99.5), but in the other 4 nations Raven's scores varied from 100.5 to 101.5. After presenting this data, he noted:
"So they certainly equaled men, and perhaps were slightly above. This has been distorted in the news of my saying that women are incredibly more intelligent than men. As you can see, this somewhat goes beyond what was claimed."

The audience chuckled. Flynn then goes on make the argument that in every country in which women have been allowed full entry into modernity in terms of educational opportunities, they are now matching men on Raven's. As for the fraction of a point advantage in IQ for women,

"I suspect that is a characterological trait. They are also more focused in the testing room just as they are more focused in the classroom[b]. So my conclusion is the sexes on the Raven's is probably dead equal for cognitive factors and there is a very slight female advantage for characterological traits.[/b] This is mere extrapolation from what happens at secondary school. You would expect a little female advantage because of temperamental differences."

Flynn notes that in his class at the University of Otago, "2/3rd of the students are women, and 2/3rd of the late essays are men." He says this is a universal phenomenon. He also notes that "I'm not saying the genders are equal. They're equal in their ability to deal with using logic on the abstract problems of Raven's". He points out that if you try to intentionally create a gender neutral IQ test by throwing out items that favor one gender over the other, you find that you can't eliminate a female verbal advantage and a male advantage for visual spatial items."

THERE IS NO SMARTER OR DUMBER GENDER

But tell yourself whatever makes you happy.

you cant use only Flynn as a reference, anyway, i have told myself what makes me happy.

more men passed and also MORE MEN FAILED but men still came on top. this is normal.

just because men are smarter than women doesnt mean somewomen arent smart. in a report, professor Irwing and Lynn, Women tend to work harder. Women with the same IQ as men achieve more "possibly because they are more conscientious and better adapted to sustained periods of hard work.

i have given you studies to prove my point but it seems you still not satisfied, do not be emotional and accept the fact, look at data from many sources even from Nigeria, it will show you the results.

one of the reason, this is a controversial topic is because some online sites are left while some are right, even in the academic world it is now difficult to do researches on gender differences because you might lose funding but never the less, some researchers are coming out with neutral research and they are proving my point well. this might cause some political upheaval but the truth does not die because action speaks louder than words

Choccolate you tried ooo... Did not expect you to last this long.

Ranchhoddas:
Choccolate you tried ooo... Did not expect you to last this long.

I have done longer with my alts

wetdick:
you cant use only Flynn as a reference, anyway, i have told myself what makes me happy.

more men passed and also MORE MEN FAILED but men still came on top. this is normal.

just because men are smarter than women doesnt mean somewomen arent smart. in a report, professor Irwing and Lynn, Women tend to work harder. Women with the same IQ as men achieve more "possibly because they are more conscientious and better adapted to sustained periods of hard work.

i have given you studies to prove my point but it seems you still not satisfied, do not be emotional and accept the fact, look at data from many sources even from Nigeria, it will show you the results.

one of the reason, this is a controversial topic is because some online sites are left while some are right, even in the academic world it is now difficult to do researches on gender differences because you might lose funding but never the less, some researchers are coming out with neutral research and they are proving my point well. this might cause some political upheaval but the truth does not die because action speaks louder than words

Wow
You even edited the comment. When I first read it, it was just like two sentences.
Anyway, here we go.

more men passed and also MORE MEN FAILED but men still came on top. this is normal.

So you really want to conclude that men re smarter because about 3% of more men came out on top
BUT
You refuse to admit that men are stupider because more men failed the test than women?

This is the selective reasoning I was talking about earlier.

Even the scientists who do intelligence tests have said to not conclude that one gender is more intelligent but here you are, drawing your own contrived conclusion, picking and choosing which parts of their findings to believe.

Due to the distribution of more men on top by about 3% and more men at the bottom, the intelligence tests have only revealed that on AVERAGE, males and females have EQUAL intelligence.

Oh so all of a sudden I am being emotional and refusing to accept facts?
Lmao
Please, you're the one disregarding parts of the research that don't favour your false arguments about supposed male intelligence.
You control your emotions and accept facts, you, not me.

I even brought up a quote from Flynn where he implied that there is a possibility that women are smarter but you disregarded it.

Now you are claiming my links and the researchers are left wing so their test results are innacurate.

And then you conclude that some supposed neutral sites are coming up with facts to prove your point which is just ridiculous.
I can claim that your so-called neutral sites are just run by women hating misogynists just the way you concluded that my links were leftist.

Was my Flynn quote leftist too?
The same quote you used to buttress your arguments?
Was he leftist when he said women re probably smarter and socioeconomic disadvantages is what caused disparity in IQ test scores?

There is no need to lies because you don't want to accept that there is no smarter gender. If telling yourself men are smarter makes you happy then go for it.
But for heavens sake if you have a daughter do not raise her to believe she is dumber than men or that she belongs to a gender that is stupider.

CHoccolaTE:
Wow
You even edited the comment. When I first read it, it was just like two sentences.
Anyway, here we go.


So you really want to conclude that men re smarter because about 3% of more men came out on top
BUT
You refuse to admit that men are stupider because more men failed the test than women?

This is the selective reasoning I was talking about earlier.

Even the scientists who do intelligence tests have said to not conclude that one gender is more intelligent but here you are, drawing your own contrived conclusion, picking and choosing which parts of their findings to believe.

Due to the distribution of more men on top by about 3% and more men at the bottom, the intelligence tests have only revealed that on AVERAGE, males and females have EQUAL intelligence.

Oh so all of a sudden I am being emotional and refusing to accept facts?
Lmao
Please, you're the one disregarding parts of the research that don't favour your false arguments about supposed male intelligence.
You control your emotions and accept facts, you, not me.

I even brought up a quote from Flynn where he implied that there is a possibility that women are smarter but you disregarded it.

Now you are claiming my links and the researchers are left wing so their test results are innacurate.

And then you conclude that some supposed neutral sites are coming up with facts to prove your point which is just ridiculous.
I can claim that your so-called neutral sites are just run by women hating misogynists just the way you concluded that my links were leftist.

Was my Flynn quote leftist too?
The same quote you used to buttress your arguments?
Was he leftist when he said women re probably smarter and socioeconomic disadvantages is what caused disparity in IQ test scores?

There is no need to lies because you don't want to accept that there is no smarter gender. If telling yourself men are smarter makes you happy then go for it.
But for heavens sake if you have a daughter do not raise her to believe she is dumber than men or that she belongs to a gender that is stupider.

This is Prof. Lynn research:

In a study accepted for publication by the British Journal of Psychology, Dr. Paul Irwing (Manchester Business School, Senior Lecturer in Organizational Psychology) and Prof. Richard Lynn (University of Ulster, Professor Emeritus) conclude that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests. The study also found that men outnumbered women in increasing numbers as intelligence levels rise. There were twice as many with IQ scores of 125, a level typical for people with first-class degrees. When scores rose to 155, a level associated with genius, there were 5.5 men for every woman.

Guess what happened to happen to Prof. Richard Lynn for speaking the truth.
Ulster University withdraws status from Prof Richard Lynn
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43768132

James Flynn is from the left, a liberal that believes in equality
Richards lynn- non-partisan


James Flynn vs Richard Lynn


James flynn wrote that "In the last 100 years the IQ scores of both men and women have risen, but women’s have risen faster, he went on to say that says recent test results show that women's IQ scores in some countries are now higher than men’s

while Richard lynn- from his experiment concluded that men are smarter than women

who will you believe logically?

I have decided mine but anyway, we will still go in circles and we won't get to the point, you can believe what you want and i should be able to believe what I want and for my daughters, three simple things I will teach them:

-I will teach them about taking Personal responsibility for their lives instead of blaming society and men or fighting for some imaginary right
-i will encourage their mother to teach them about being the best mother and wives to their children and husband and
-I will encourage them to always aspire to go high in their respective careers. simple as Abc

Men are stronger than women in some ways. Women are stringer than men in some ways.

Finish.

wetdick:
This is Prof. Lynn research:

In a study accepted for publication by the British Journal of Psychology, Dr. Paul Irwing (Manchester Business School, Senior Lecturer in Organizational Psychology) and Prof. Richard Lynn (University of Ulster, Professor Emeritus) conclude that men are on average five points ahead on IQ tests. The study also found that men outnumbered women in increasing numbers as intelligence levels rise. There were twice as many with IQ scores of 125, a level typical for people with first-class degrees. When scores rose to 155, a level associated with genius, there were 5.5 men for every woman.

Guess what happened to happen to Prof. Richard Lynn for speaking the truth.
Ulster University withdraws status from Prof Richard Lynn
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-43768132

James Flynn is from the left, a liberal that believes in equality
Richards lynn- non-partisan


James Flynn vs Richard Lynn


James flynn wrote that "In the last 100 years the IQ scores of both men and women have risen, but women’s have risen faster, he went on to say that says recent test results show that women's IQ scores in some countries are now higher than men’s

while Richard lynn- from his experiment concluded that men are smarter than women

who will you believe logically?

I have decided mine but anyway, we will still go in circles and we won't get to the point, you can believe what you want and i should be able to believe what I want and for my daughters, three simple things I will teach them:

-I will teach them about taking Personal responsibility for their lives instead of blaming society and men or fighting for some imaginary right
-i will encourage their mother to teach them about being the best mother and wives to their children and husband and
-I will encourage them to always aspire to go high in their respective careers. simple as Abc

When people I argue with start telling lies like this that's when I know they just want to win the argument, whether their argument makes sense or not.
Your professor Richard Lynn is a hard core racist and republican. And a shameless white supremicist. His status was not withdrawn because he published that IQ test result so stop making it look like that was the reason. His status was withdrawn as emeritus professor because the man had VERY obviously biased views against both women and other races.

This is going to be long so buckle up

Richard Lynn (born 20 February 1930)[1] is an English psychologist and author. He is a former professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Ulster, having had the title withdrawn by the university in 2018,[2] and assistant editor of the journal Mankind Quarterly,[3] which has been described as a "white supremacist journal".[4] Lynn studies intelligence and is known for his belief in racial differences in intelligence.[5][6] Lynn was educated at King's College, Cambridge in England. He has worked as lecturer in psychology at the University of Exeter and as professor of psychology at the Economic and Social Research Institute, Dublin, and at the University of Ulster at Coleraine. He has written or co-written 11 books and more than 200 journal articles spanning five decades.

Lynn's research on racial and national differences in intelligence is controversial. In the late 1970s, Lynn wrote that he found that Northeast Asians have a higher average intelligence quotient (IQ) than Europeans and Europeans have a higher average IQ than Sub-Saharan Africans In 1990, he proposed that the Flynn effect – the gradual increase in IQ scores observed around the world since the 1930s – could possibly be explained by improved nutrition. In two books co-written with Tatu Vanhanen, Lynn and Vanhanen argued that differences in developmental indexes among various nations are partially caused by the average IQ of their citizens. However, Earl Hunt and Werner Wittmann (2006) questioned the validity of their research methods and the highly inconsistent quality of the available data points that Lynn and Vanhanen used in their analysis.[7] Lynn has also argued that the high fertility rate among individuals of low IQ constitutes a major threat to Western civilization, as he believes people with low IQ scores will eventually outnumber high-IQ individuals. He has argued in favor of political measures to prevent this, including anti-immigration and eugenics policies, provoking heavy criticism internationally.[8][9][10] Lynn's work was among the main sources cited in the book The Bell Curve, and he was one of 52 scientists who signed an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence",[11] which endorsed a number of the views presented in the book. Lynn was the first to propose the "cold winters theory" of the evolution of human intelligence, which postulates that intelligence evolved to greater degrees as an evolutionary adaptation to colder environments.[12]

Lynn sits on the editorial boards of the journals Personality and Individual Differences[13] and Mankind Quarterly.[14][15] Critics have called Mankind Quarterly a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal".[16] He is also on the board of the Pioneer Fund, which funds Mankind Quarterly and has also been described as racist in nature.[14][15] A number of scientists, including Leon Kamin, have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda.[8][10][17][18][19][20] A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.


This is the guy you are supporting
A man that believes white people are smarter than you because they evolved in colder climates
A man who supports and funds racist organisations and policies and is very obviously sexist.

Or are you going to discard his racist IQ results that say you are dumber than white people and accept the one that says men are smarter than women?

These white supremicists are mentally unstable people that employ shady and devious means to push their agenda of racial and sexual superiority.
In the past they used to hunt down and lynch black people for no other reason just because they are black and that is the man you support and are quoting.


Flynn on the other hand has been praised for his objectivity
This is what Proffesor Author Jensen had to say about him
He was rated as one of the 50 most eminent professors of his time.

In 1987, Arthur Jensen praised Flynn's criticism of Jensen's own work in a chapter summarizing an academic book about Jensen's research on human intelligence.
Now and then I am asked by colleagues, students, and journalists: who, in my opinion, are the most respectable critics of my position on the race-IQ issue? The name James R. Flynn is by far the first that comes to mind. His book, Race, IQ and Jensen (1980), is a distinguished contribution to the literature on this topic, and, among the critiques I have seen of my position, is virtually in a class by itself for objectivity, thoroughness, and scholarly integrity.[5]

This is a man that supports the notion that your IQ as a black man is not less than that of whites just because of your skin colour but here you are dismissing his argument because you want to believe men are smarter.

CHoccolaTE:
When people I argue with start telling lies like this that's when I know they just want to win the argument, whether their argument makes sense or not.
Your professor Richard Lynn is a hard core racist and republican. And a shameless white supremicist. His status was not withdrawn because he published that IQ test result so stop making it look like that was the reason. His status was withdrawn as emeritus professor because the man had VERY obviously biased views against both women and other races.

This is going to be long so buckle up

Richard Lynn (born 20 February 1930)[1] is an English psychologist and author. He is a former professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Ulster, having had the title withdrawn by the university in 2018,[2] and assistant editor of the journal Mankind Quarterly,[3] which has been described as a "white supremacist journal".[4] Lynn studies intelligence and is known for his belief in racial differences in intelligence.[5][6] Lynn was educated at King's College, Cambridge in England. He has worked as lecturer in psychology at the University of Exeter and as professor of psychology at the Economic and Social Research Institute, Dublin, and at the University of Ulster at Coleraine. He has written or co-written 11 books and more than 200 journal articles spanning five decades.

Lynn's research on racial and national differences in intelligence is controversial. In the late 1970s, Lynn wrote that he found that Northeast Asians have a higher average intelligence quotient (IQ) than Europeans and Europeans have a higher average IQ than Sub-Saharan Africans In 1990, he proposed that the Flynn effect – the gradual increase in IQ scores observed around the world since the 1930s – could possibly be explained by improved nutrition. In two books co-written with Tatu Vanhanen, Lynn and Vanhanen argued that differences in developmental indexes among various nations are partially caused by the average IQ of their citizens. However, Earl Hunt and Werner Wittmann (2006) questioned the validity of their research methods and the highly inconsistent quality of the available data points that Lynn and Vanhanen used in their analysis.[7] Lynn has also argued that the high fertility rate among individuals of low IQ constitutes a major threat to Western civilization, as he believes people with low IQ scores will eventually outnumber high-IQ individuals. He has argued in favor of political measures to prevent this, including anti-immigration and eugenics policies, provoking heavy criticism internationally.[8][9][10] Lynn's work was among the main sources cited in the book The Bell Curve, and he was one of 52 scientists who signed an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Mainstream Science on Intelligence",[11] which endorsed a number of the views presented in the book. Lynn was the first to propose the "cold winters theory" of the evolution of human intelligence, which postulates that intelligence evolved to greater degrees as an evolutionary adaptation to colder environments.[12]

Lynn sits on the editorial boards of the journals Personality and Individual Differences[13] and Mankind Quarterly.[14][15] Critics have called Mankind Quarterly a "cornerstone of the scientific racism establishment" and a "white supremacist journal".[16] He is also on the board of the Pioneer Fund, which funds Mankind Quarterly and has also been described as racist in nature.[14][15] A number of scientists, including Leon Kamin, have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda.[8][10][17][18][19][20] A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.


This is the guy you are supporting
A man that believes white people are smarter than you because they evolved in colder climates
A man who supports and funds racist organisations and policies and is very obviously sexist.

Or are you going to discard his racist IQ results that say you are dumber than white people and accept the one that says men are smarter than women?

These white supremicists are mentally unstable people that employ shady and devious means to push their agenda of racial and sexual superiority.
In the past they used to hunt down and lynch black people for no other reason just because they are black and that is the man you support and are quoting.


Flynn on the other hand has been praised for his objectivity
This is what Proffesor Author Jensen had to say about him
He was rated as one of the 50 most eminent professors of his time.

In 1987, Arthur Jensen praised Flynn's criticism of Jensen's own work in a chapter summarizing an academic book about Jensen's research on human intelligence.
Now and then I am asked by colleagues, students, and journalists: who, in my opinion, are the most respectable critics of my position on the race-IQ issue? The name James R. Flynn is by far the first that comes to mind. His book, Race, IQ and Jensen (1980), is a distinguished contribution to the literature on this topic, and, among the critiques I have seen of my position, is virtually in a class by itself for objectivity, thoroughness, and scholarly integrity.[5]

This is a man that supports the notion that your IQ as a black man is not less than that of whites just because of your skin colour but here you are dismissing his argument because you want to believe men are smarter.

I see you have changed the argument to who is telling lies and not, pointing out the Richard Lynn research saying the Europeans IQ is higher than African IQ. have you read the report and see his data and the methodology used in the report, I guess NO and[b] I hope you know lot of scientists came out to dispute his claim,that he omitted high scoring Africans, which he agreed
[/b]
i was expecting you to write all these, the (white man vs me (victim mentality) and how racist he is and all sort of stuff. anyway, you can go with what suit you

I have read his data on the biological difference between man and women and it was a nice read, i do not have to believe everything he says but his research on gender differences is an eye-opener. let's separate the man from his messages instead of trying to point out some stuff he said, you are been emotional now and trying to play a game, so why pointing to controversial stuff he wrote so that you can destroy his reputation.

For his research on the differences between men and women, many researchers back up his claim, the only people who criticise his research, were journalists, feminists and leftist researchers and professors. Europeans and American Universities are now centres for leftist ideas, they are becoming more anti-intellectual and only accepting researches that suit there agenda.

MR Lynn is not a partisan and has never been, he is not a Republican or an American, he is a British researcher and does not involve himself with American politics, he was removed because of his controversial studies where He argued that people from East Asia have a higher average IQ than Europeans and that men have a higher average IQ than women.

In my discussion with you, i have pointed out many types of research done by researchers from top European and American universities which supported his claim about gender differences. are we going to ignore facts that women comprise only two percent of achievers: Six physicists, four mathematicians, five astronomers and thirty-seven entrants for Western Literature. There are no women philosophers of distinction and no front-rank composers. in fact the Nobel prize winners consist of mostly men.

Are we gonna call all scientists who are supporting the differences in brain structures between man and women Sexist or Misogynist? it doesnt work that way, if we want a purely unbiased then we need to read data and come to conclusion without being biased discussion In my opinion,this discussion is going nowhere and if you were not biased, you would have read his data and see his point.

Your tactics are purely leftist tactics, they call everyone white supremacist and sexist once no one conforms to their existing views. research about gender differences have been done many times and it still came out the same, the only people disputing the research are professors and people like you who want equality when in reality it is impossible, the reality is that there are biological differences between man and omen and that is fact. we can even try to bring that research here to Nigeria, we can go to universities, select the same number of men and women in a department and give them a test, men will still come on top.

To people who are not biased, every information is worth reading without being emotional, you look at data and compare and then decide, you also have the right to counter it logically rather than emotionally, for instance, he wrote that the Eastern Asian IQ is more than European IQ, i didn't see European coming out to criticise his research and protesting, suddenly when he talked about Sub Saharan African IQ, everybody went crazy, he basically wrote it that the reason why there are low IQ in sub Saharan Africa is because of lack of Nutritious Food and if you read the data some of what he said is true, there have been famine, drought and civil wars in sub Sahara Africa for decades, people will rather find for what to eat than mentally developed themselves, things are changing, and in fact soe scientists came out to logical counter his argument that when looking at his data he omitted high scoring Africans which he admitted as i have said earlier, basically he cherry-picked evidence while other thoughts says that we should not judge Sub-shahran africans not on European and american IQ standard. Rather on Test that suits their reality Let it be known, all races think differently and that is because of culture and environment.

As for,Mr Flynn, he campaigns passionately for left-wing causes and this is from Wikipedia. "In July 2012, several media outlets reported Flynn as claiming that women had, for the first time in a century, surpassed men on IQ tests based on a study he conducted in 2010. However, Flynn announced that the media had seriously distorted his results and went beyond his claims"

and if you think the cold winter theory doesn not work, try to live or be a farmer in cold regions, do not prepare for winter and its challenges, or do not try to think of new ways/ innovations to farm during winter, let's see if you will see summer.

wetdick:
I see you have changed the argument to who is telling lies and not, pointing out the Richard Lynn research saying the Europeans IQ is higher than African IQ. have you read the report and see his data and the methodology used in the report, I guess NO and[b] I hope you know lot of scientists came out to dispute his claim,that he omitted high scoring Africans, which he agreed
[/b]

The fact that he omitted high scoring Africans doesn't tell you he was obviously biased and trying to skew the results in favour of Europeans? You still consider him an unbiased psychologist after that?

i was expecting you to write all these, the (white man vs me (victim mentality) and how racist he is and all sort of stuff. anyway, you can go with what suit you

Where the hell is the white man versus me mentality in my post? Did you really expect me to ignore the fact that the man is a WHITE SUPREMICIST and racist? Misogyny is a key element of white supremacy ideologies and I had to point it out.
A number of scientists have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda. A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.

There is no victim mentality in my post, you are the type of man that tells himself that women typically have victim mentality, I picked this up from your previous post about teaching your daughter not to blame men for their problems and now instead of you to see the point I am trying to make which is simply that the man is trying to propagate racial and sexist supremacy you are seeing victim mentality in my post.

I have read his data on the biological difference between man and women and it was a nice read, i do not have to believe everything he says but his research on gender differences is an eye-opener. let's separate the man from his messages instead of trying to point out some stuff he said, you are been emotional now and trying to play a game, so why pointing to controversial stuff he wrote so that you can destroy his reputation.

Oh now I should separate the man from his messages? When Flynn said there is no more or less intelligent gender you were quick to jump on my post and say it lacks credit because Flynn is a leftist? I am not trying to destroy his reputation, everything I wrote up there about him were facts and have been confirmed by other scientists, he is very racist and a white supremicist and an alt-right individual.
Flynn research is also an eye opener to me, you should stop being emotional and try to separate Flynn messages from the man himself

For his research on the differences between men and women, many researchers back up his claim, the only people who criticise his research, were journalists, feminists and leftist researchers and professors. Europeans and American Universities are now centres for leftist ideas, they are becoming more anti-intellectual and only accepting researches that suit there agenda.

Are you being serious right now?
So many scientists all over the world have rejected Lynn's ideas, even scientists from the Netherlands and Sweden
What other continent did you expect to disprove his ideas apart from Europeans and Americans? Non English speaking Asians? Patriarchal Africans? So because Europeans and Americans disproved Lynn's biased results that means they were telling lies because of their leftist views? Why don't you separate the Europeans and Americans from their message and see the message for what it is? Which is the truth?

MR Lynn is not a partisan and has never been, he is not a Republican or an American, he is a British researcher and does not involve himself with American politics, he was removed because of his controversial studies where He argued that people from East Asia have a higher average IQ than Europeans and that men have a higher average IQ than women.

I have showed you several quotes where Lynns fellow scientists exposed him as being part of scientific organisations that promote racist views, nobody was victimizing Lynn when they removed him, his research methods were severely flawed and inaccurate.

Despite some criticism,[78] their theory was supported by subsequent research at the time.[79][80][81] However, in the following years, researchers such as Timothy Keith, Johannes Rojahn, and Alan S. Kaufman found contradictory results in gender IQ differences, with Keith even finding an adult female latent advantage in general factors, and Kaufman finding no difference in general intelligence.[82] Keith said that the difference in Lynn's findings can be attributed to not using latent factors to measure their meta-analysis of sex differences. Rojahn's study found that the discrepancies between the gender development were smaller than predicted by Lynn and in fact were so small that they have little or no practical importance.[82]

In my discussion with you, i have pointed out many types of research done by researchers from top European and American universities which supported his claim about gender differences. are we going to ignore facts that women comprise only two percent of achievers: Six physicists, four mathematicians, five astronomers and thirty-seven entrants for Western Literature. There are no women philosophers of distinction and no front-rank composers. in fact the Nobel prize winners consist of mostly men.

First of all, where the HELL are the supposed top European and American universities that supported Lynn's claim? Do you even read flaws in the methodology of Lynn's research which I posted before?
How can any modern top European or American university support an obvious flawed and outdated findings?
I have disproved your earlier claims that few men being at the top and at the very bottom of IQ test results does not mean men are more intelligent.
Differences in human intelligence have long been a topic of debate among researchers and scholars. With the advent of the concept of g or general intelligence, many researchers have argued for no significant sex differences in g factor or general intelligence,[1][2] while others have argued for greater intelligence for males, [3] and others for females.[4] The split view between these researchers depended on the methodology[1] and tests they used for their claims.[5] One study found some advantage for women in later life,[6] while another found that male advantages on some cognitive tests are minimized when controlling for socioeconomic factors.

This is what I have been saying since the beginning of this thread. There is no universally accepted opinion on whether one gender is superior in intelligence or not, just because you want to feel that your gender is more intelligent you keep ignoring this fact and touting that flawed research by lynn that favours your claim.

Secondly, sigh...... Opportunities for equal education and chances to better themselves academically have been severely limited for women due to religious and traditional views that force them to take care of the home front instead of growing academically that's why there are fewer women professors and Nobel price winners, they do exist but they are fewer.
An average woman of Islamic or Christian or Jewish or Traditional religion is taught to be a home maker and submissive wife to her husband from a very tender age, while men are told they are providers, that God ordained them to be providers in religious scripts so they work harder to get degreees that can get them good, well paying jobs while women wait for them to provide because the Bible says men who can't provide for their families are infidels and the Quran says the man should go out and hustle and the wife should hide herself from lustful gaze of men by staying indoors.

Are we gonna call all scientists who are supporting the differences in brain structures between man and women Sexist or Misogynist? it doesnt work that way, if we want a purely unbiased then we need to read data and come to conclusion without being biased discussion In my opinion,this discussion is going nowhere and if you were not biased, you would have read his data and see his point.

Are we also going to conclude that all scientists who support equality in gender intelligence are leftist? Nigga you're going to have to mention every single one of those scientists and show proof that they are leftist and that their views are false and only proposed to favour feminism.

Your tactics are purely leftist tactics, they call everyone white supremacist and sexist once no one conforms to their existing views. research about gender differences have been done many times and it still came out the same, the only people disputing the research are professors and people like you who want equality when in reality it is impossible, the reality is that there are biological differences between man and omen and that is fact. we can even try to bring that research here to Nigeria, we can go to universities, select the same number of men and women in a department and give them a test, men will still come on top.

Your tactics are purely alt-right tactics. You call everyone who doesn't conform to your views leftist and people who want to force equality.
When I say you are telling lies you ignore my statement and go right back to telling lies. Research about gender differences in intelligence have been conducted many times and have all given varying results, the conclusion by the largest body of scientists is that conclusions cannot be drawn on which gender is smarter or dumber.
You now want to argue about which gender is smarter by using Nigerian universities? In my university the last two years, best graduating departmental student was female and best graduating clinical student last year was a female. I have not seen any gotdamn difference in male and female intelligence. The men and women I interact with can blow your mind away by their intelligence and smartness.

in sub Sahara Africa for decades, people will rather find for what to eat than mentally developed themselves... Let it be known, all races think differently and that is because of culture and environment.

This argument is seriously a fvcking waste of time.
So you agree that Sub Saharan Africans could have had lower IQs because they would rather find something to eat than mentally develop themselves
And that culture and environment affects the way people think
-------->but you ignore the fact that in many countries all over the world due to religion and tradition, women are told to marry early and stay home and take care of the children and do house chores and while men are encourages to hustle and make money and mentally develop themselves? An average Nigerian man can study and build his academic knowledge and stay mentally sharp till age forty and even beyond, as long as he has money he can get married at any age. Women on the other hand as soon as they hit their late twenties, start facing pressure to get married and put carrier and studies aside to get married while they are still attractive and before menopause hits them.
Women are told to put childcare and household before school work and career, if anything goes wrong and the kids need constant attention, the wife is the one that quits her job and stats home to cater for kids. How the hell will this not affect female IQ test scores?
I have quoted researches showing that due to increasing equality in socioeconomic privileges for men and women these differences in test score are disappearing but you ignore that bit and choose to focus on what suits you argument. Yet here you are agreeing that culture and environment DOES affect how people think.

As for,Mr Flynn, he campaigns passionately for left-wing causes and this is from Wikipedia. "In July 2012, several media outlets reported Flynn as claiming that women had, for the first time in a century, surpassed men on IQ tests based on a study he conducted in 2010. However, Flynn announced that the media had seriously distorted his results and went beyond his claims"

Lies
Oh
OK
Flynn campaigns passionately for left wing causes but Lynn does not campaign passionately for sexist and racist causes? Despite the fact that he sponsors and writes for a white supremist magazine?
If you are going to dismiss Flynn's argument because he is a democrat then you shouldn't be protesting when I dismiss Lynn's research because he supports alt-right causes.

b]and if you think the cold winter theory doesn not work, try to live or be a farmer in cold regions, do not prepare for winter and its challenges, or do not try to think of new ways/ innovations to farm during winter, let's see if you will see summer.[/b]

Wow.

Cold çlimate did not make white people smarter than blacks.

White people are not smarter than blacks.

You yourself said this in your post where you said blacks would have invented and achieved as much as whites if they had the same opportunities.

CHoccolaTE:
The fact that he omitted high scoring Africans doesn't tell you he was obviously biased and trying to skew the results in favour of Europeans? You still consider him an unbiased psychologist after that?



Where the hell is the white man versus me mentality in my post? Did you really expect me to ignore the fact that the man is a WHITE SUPREMICIST and racist? Misogyny is a key element of white supremacy ideologies and I had to point it out.
A number of scientists have criticised Lynn's work on racial and national demography and intelligence for lacking scientific rigour and for promoting a racialist political agenda. A number of scholars and intellectuals have said that Lynn is associated with a network of academics and organizations that promote scientific racism.

There is no victim mentality in my post, you are the type of man that tells himself that women typically have victim mentality, I picked this up from your previous post about teaching your daughter not to blame men for their problems and now instead of you to see the point I am trying to make which is simply that the man is trying to propagate racial and sexist supremacy you are seeing victim mentality in my post.




Oh now I should separate the man from his messages? When Flynn said there is no more or less intelligent gender you were quick to jump on my post and say it lacks credit because Flynn is a leftist? I am not trying to destroy his reputation, everything I wrote up there about him were facts and have been confirmed by other scientists, he is very racist and a white supremicist and an alt-right individual.
Flynn research is also an eye opener to me, you should stop being emotional and try to separate Flynn messages from the man himself


Are you being serious right now?
So many scientists all over the world have rejected Lynn's ideas, even scientists from the Netherlands and Sweden
What other continent did you expect to disprove his ideas apart from Europeans and Americans? Non English speaking Asians? Patriarchal Africans? So because Europeans and Americans disproved Lynn's biased results that means they were telling lies because of their leftist views? Why don't you separate the Europeans and Americans from their message and see the message for what it is? Which is the truth?


I have showed you several quotes where Lynns fellow scientists exposed him as being part of scientific organisations that promote racist views, nobody was victimizing Lynn when they removed him, his research methods were severely flawed and inaccurate.

Despite some criticism,[78] their theory was supported by subsequent research at the time.[79][80][81] However, in the following years, researchers such as Timothy Keith, Johannes Rojahn, and Alan S. Kaufman found contradictory results in gender IQ differences, with Keith even finding an adult female latent advantage in general factors, and Kaufman finding no difference in general intelligence.[82] Keith said that the difference in Lynn's findings can be attributed to not using latent factors to measure their meta-analysis of sex differences. Rojahn's study found that the discrepancies between the gender development were smaller than predicted by Lynn and in fact were so small that they have little or no practical importance.[82]



First of all, where the HELL are the supposed top European and American universities that supported Lynn's claim? Do you even read flaws in the methodology of Lynn's research which I posted before?
How can any modern top European or American university support an obvious flawed and outdated findings?
I have disproved your earlier claims that few men being at the top and at the very bottom of IQ test results does not mean men are more intelligent.
Differences in human intelligence have long been a topic of debate among researchers and scholars. With the advent of the concept of g or general intelligence, many researchers have argued for no significant sex differences in g factor or general intelligence,[1][2] while others have argued for greater intelligence for males, [3] and others for females.[4] The split view between these researchers depended on the methodology[1] and tests they used for their claims.[5] One study found some advantage for women in later life,[6] while another found that male advantages on some cognitive tests are minimized when controlling for socioeconomic factors.

This is what I have been saying since the beginning of this thread. There is no universally accepted opinion on whether one gender is superior in intelligence or not, just because you want to feel that your gender is more intelligent you keep ignoring this fact and touting that flawed research by lynn that favours your claim.

Secondly, sigh...... Opportunities for equal education and chances to better themselves academically have been severely limited for women due to religious and traditional views that force them to take care of the home front instead of growing academically that's why there are fewer women professors and Nobel price winners, they do exist but they are fewer.
An average woman of Islamic or Christian or Jewish or Traditional religion is taught to be a home maker and submissive wife to her husband from a very tender age, while men are told they are providers, that God ordained them to be providers in religious scripts so they work harder to get degreees that can get them good, well paying jobs while women wait for them to provide because the Bible says men who can't provide for their families are infidels and the Quran says the man should go out and hustle and the wife should hide herself from lustful gaze of men by staying indoors.


Are we also going to conclude that all scientists who support equality in gender intelligence are leftist? Nigga you're going to have to mention every single one of those scientists and show proof that they ate leftist and that their views are false and only proposed to favour feminism.

Your tactics are purely alt-right tactics. You call everyone who doesn't conform to your views leftist and people who want to force equality.
When I say you are telling lies you ignore my statement and go right back to telling lies. Research about gender differences in intelligence have been conducted many times and have all given varying results, the conclusion by the largest body of scientists is that conclusions cannot be drawn on which gender is smarter or dumber.
You now want to argue about which gender is smarter by using Nigerian universities? In my university the last two years, best graduating departmental student was female and best graduating medical student last year was a female. I have not seen and gotdamn difference in male and female intelligence. The men and women I interact with can blow your mind away by their intelligence and smartness.



This argument is seriously a fvcking waste of time.
So you agree that Sub Saharan Africans could have had lower IQs because they would rather find something to eat than mentally develop themselves
And that culture and environment affects the way people think
-------->but you ignore the fact that in many countries all over the world due to religion and tradition, women are told to marry early and stay home and take care of the children and do house chores and while men are encourages to hustle and make money and mentally develop themselves? An average Nigerian man can study and build his academic knowledge and stay mentally sharp till age forty and even beyond, as long as he has money he can get married at any age. Women on the other hand as soon as they hit their late twenties, start facing pressure to get married and put carrier and studies aside to get married while they are still attractive and before menopause hits them.
Women are told to put childcare and household before school work and career, if anything goes wrong and the kids need constant attention, the wife is the one that quits her job and stats home to cater for kids. How the hell will this not affect female IQ test scores?
I have quoted researches showing that due to increasing equality in socioeconomic privileges for men and women these differences in test score are disappearing but you ignore that bit and choose to focus on what suits you argument. Yet here you are agreeing that culture and environment DOES affect how people think.

Lies
Oh
OK
Flynn campaigns passionately for left wing causes but Lynn does not campaign passionately for sexist and racist causes? Despite the fact that he sponsors and writes for a white supremist magazine?
If you are going to dismiss Flynn's argument because he is a democrat then you shouldn't be protesting when I dismiss Lynn's research because he supports alt-right causes.


Wow.

Cold çlimate did not make white people smarter than blacks.

White people are not smarter than blacks.

You yourself said this in your post where you said blacks would have invented and achieved as much as whites if they had the same opportunities.

i never wrote that white people were smarter than black people, what I wrote basically if put in the same condition they will better, and that is true.

there are a lot of articles to prove my claim on the left war on science, everybody presently is called a racist, white supremacist and sexist once they intend to research a controversial field, as i wrote earlier, I have given you links of different researchers who concluded on this subject.

Many scientists have lost their jobs or their funding? vital research has been corrupted or suppressed? scientific debate has been silenced just because of the left, what the left wants to promote is pseudoscience not real science, you keep writing that my claims are false when they are all in Wikipedia, and also how the media manipulate and distort information to suit their narrative and affiliation.

it was journalist and the media, civil right organisations who came out to call the man racist and all other names. don't forget that not only Lynn did this research many other scientists also did similar research and came to the same conclusion and here we are going around the bush.

This is an example, when erasmus university did a research on the subject and came out with result that men are more intelligent than women, who called the report stupid and sexist, a science journalist, what does a science journalist know about the subject matter.Anybody who doesnt accept the status quo is called everytype of names by the media, that is the normal tactics so that the truth will not prevail.

You keep saying they were flaws in the research and that other scientist blasted the research but you didn't bring out facts rather you spread your rumour

now back to the debate, for Lynn to admit that he omitted some data, it means that he agreed that the research was some how bias and he admitted to it and apologise but on the gender issue, which he came out to talk about,many scientists supported his claim but you are trying hard to ignore their reports and findings.



you wrote that most scientist from the netherland have rejected lynn idea but what about the research which i showed you and was done in netherland by Dimitri van der Linden of Erasmus university who also wrote that men are more intelligent than women, will you also call him a sexist? it is true thatalmost all scientist who believes in gender equality are leftist and many times feminist, who are fighting war against science you can search that for yourself.

are you also gonna dismiss these:

Jackson and Philipe Rushton found that males aged 17–18 years had an average of 3.63 IQ points in excess of their female equivalents on the Scholastic Assessment Test or this A 2005 study by Ian Deary, Paul Irwing, Geoff Der, and Timothy Bates, focusing on the ASVAB showed a significantly higher variance in male scores, resulting in more than twice as many men as women scoring in the top 2%. or this Another study by researcher Jianghong Liu also found 3 points higher male scores on the WISC, i will like to ask are they all sexist too?


You keep blaming religion for the oppression of women, even in Scandinavian countries which is the most feminist place to live in this world, women are still going to subjects which have to do with interpersonal relations while men on the other side, are going with subject that has to do with thing, you see few women in STEM but more women in PR, there is even a research done by an independent researcher in the US, he concluded that the more female-dominated a college major is, the lower the average IQ of the students studying in the major.

Girl, you are very selective when reading post and choosing only informations you like, i stand with my idea that different race think differently because of culture and environment, presently, we are evolving, for instance in Nigeria, women are now in the workplace, they are now in the universities, are you still trying to say that it is the men that are pulling them back? in arab world, we have female parliamentarians, in iran alone, any women are doctors and nurses.

you basically not coming to terms that many women want kids and they will leave the work place to achieve that, is it religion fault for that or rather biological reasons.

And on the cold winter theory, colder countries are more developed than hotter countries, you can take the map and check that your self, there is a reason, why they have to survive or they will die unlike us here, why is their innovation in colder climates than hotter climates, why is Sweden more developed than brazil, all these questions when you answer them, everything still points to environment and climate, the more an individual stay in colder climates, the more he has to find all ways to survive or he will die of cold, if there was no winter jacket, or heater or some other innovation that will make them survive the cold and make them plan ahead. do you think they will be alive today. Do you know why japan is the best in structural engineering, because of the frequency in earthquakes in that region, as they say, necessity is the mother of invention

I will conclude that i never said whites are smarter than blacks, you cherrypicked my information and took the one that favours you without reading what I wrote and what might have led to decreasing in IQ and i, in fact,i wrote that many scientists propose that we should not use european standard to judge Africas.

and bout flynn, you can check that on wikipedia were he worte that the press has exgerrated his claim, except you want to make the arguement favour your beliefs

The way, i see it This argument is going No where. you mission is to prove that you are smart.