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Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by deomelo: 11:58pm On Mar 06, 2019
lexy2014:
Since d doors aren't open 4u to view its contents, how do u now no that bullion vans carry other valuables other than cash?

In d end, in an attempt to try to prove this:

"see how silly and goofy you sound?
Again, some of you have mentality and same IQ like 1 day old babies",

u ended up proving that u possess these qualities much than I do
BVs transport cash, gold and precious metals, diamonds, fine arts, pharmaceuticals and so on.


You are too shallow for your own good
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by deomelo: 12:01am On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
And since u don't need a bullion van or approached a bank 4d purpose of hiring its bullion van, how did u now become an expert on d issue to d extent that u recommended that I approach banks with a request& a fee? If u knew nothing about d discussion, y did u get involved in it? If my questions are silly, then y did u bother answering them?

U seem 2b good at exhibiting in high proportion d traits u accuse me of having
You don't have to be an expert to know that if you need to know how to hire BVs or what the banks require to hire one, you have to contact the bank for accurate and vital info. This is common sense, stop acting like a baby
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014: 12:10am On Mar 07, 2019
deomelo:
You don't have to be an expert to know that if you need to know how to hire BVs or what the banks require to hire one, you have to contact the bank for accurate and vital info. This is common sense, stop acting like a baby
D same reason am asking u how u know that banks hire out bullion vans. And I asked u are just guessing or u speaking from a stand point of knowledge? Cos u sounded like u have done it b4. According 2u "approach d bank with ur request & ur fee". Is it God is good motors u want to chatter? It seems u are now d one acting like a baby.

Even if u aren't an expert, u should have witnessed or heard a story of someone who needed a bullion van& then "approached d bank with his request & a fee". From d look of things, ur common sense doesn't seem 2b common.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by Base1line: 12:16am On Mar 07, 2019
Does that negate the fact that the Igbo rave is a failed tribe with failed Igbo governors that can not show a single project in 4 years ?!
NkayStory:
Frustrations at its peak embarassed
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014:
deomelo:
BVs transport cash, gold and precious metals, diamonds, fine arts, pharmaceuticals and so on.


You are too shallow for your own good
Wow...diamonds, precious metals, fine art& even pharmaceuticals. This is great. Is this what u watched in movies or u saw this happen in Nigeria? Cos as in depth as u want 2 sound, u have never witnessed any of these but u claim it happens. How many Nigerians value paintings 2d point were it would b put in a bullion van 4 transport? What kind of pharmaceuticals have u witnessed bullion vans carry in Nigeria? What volume of gold& diamond do u think nigrrians possess? And what are those precious metals? Pls shed some light
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by deomelo: 1:03am On Mar 07, 2019
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lexy2014:
Wow...diamonds, precious metals, fine art& even pharmaceuticals. This is great. Is this what u watched in movies or u saw this happen in Nigeria? Cos as in depth as u want 2 sound, u have never witnessed any of these but u claim it happens. How many Nigerians value paintings 2d point were it would b put in a bullion van 4 transport? What kind of pharmaceuticals have u witnessed bullion vans carry in Nigeria? What volume of gold& diamond do u think nigrrians possess? And what are those precious metals? Pls shed some light
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You are just too ignorant and unintelligent.

These are the world's largest armored truck companies detailing exactly what they transport.



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Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014: 1:50am On Mar 07, 2019
deomelo:
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You are just too ignorant and unintelligent.

These are the world's largest armored truck companies detailing exactly what they transport.



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This Davis bancorp u are showcasing, pls where's their office in Nigeria? Do they operate in Nigeria?

I don't no if English language is a problem 4u or u just being desperate. but if memory serves me right, u were boasting that banks actually hire out their bullion vans 4a fee. Is Davis bancorp a bank?

deomelo:
Approach the Bank with your request and questions, NL is not a Bank and they don't rent out B.Van on NL.
deomelo:
You don't need a BV, but you are on NL asking silly questions about BV instead of approaching a bank where they rent them out for info?

Is NL a Bank or do they rent out BV on NL?

Now, you sound like a troll.
Secondly, pls look at d questions I asked in my post:

lexy2014:
How many Nigerians value paintings 2d point were it would b put in a bullion van 4 transport? What kind of pharmaceuticals have u witnessed bullion vans carry in Nigeria? What volume of gold& diamond do u think nigrrians possess? And what are those precious metals? Pls shed some light
lexy2014:
What other valuables other than cash do bullion vans carry in Nigeria?
If u notice, d emphasis has been banks in Nigeria. D emphasis has been what bullion vans carry in Nigeria. But u showing me Davis bancorp. Is it a bank? Does it operate in Nigeria?

Can u confidently say u aren't ignorant? Can u confidently say that u are intelligent?
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by swagifted(m): 9:09am On Mar 07, 2019
DeWorlex45:
So na Pepper & Tomatoes Bullion vans dey carry for ur own part of d world?? Indeed, ''Wonders shall never end,.

Two(2) Bullion vans are entering d residence of a party chieftain on an election eve & some Educated Illiterates are trying to shamefully convince others that d Vans might be conveying Gold, Diamonds, Wristwatches & Necklaces, plus other Precious Stones belonging to d entire Tinubu's family for safe-guarding.

Some peoples Insanity are out of dis world whenever it comes to defending d Indefensible.
but is it your bullion van?
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by ItsMeAboki(m): 9:39am On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
Oga once again, according to u:

"in fact for all they know the bouillons could even be empty and Tinubu could even claim they were used to as a psychological gimmick simply to intimidate the opposition."


Except u don't understand what u wrote earlier. Let me explain to u d meaning of what u said. In ur quote above, u trying to say that Tinubu hired empty bullion vans to use as a "psychological gimmick simply to intimidate the opposition". That is y I asked u, how does a member of d public hire a bullion van from a bank?

All u have written above doesn't relate with d excerpt of d post I quoted especially ur number 5. U seem 2b talking with both sides of ur mouth. How can Tinubu claim d bullion vans were empty when he acknowledged that there was money in d vans when he said how's it any persons business what he does with his money?

What else is there to prove when u c bullion vans moving around? What other valuables other than cash do bullion vans carry in Nigeria?

Have u seen or witnessed any bank charge any of its customers 4 helping them supply or evacuate their cash? Can u give me example?
I am sorry to say that you seem to have a very serious problem with comprehension.

What I have been saying is that the evidence seen so far (bouillons going in and out of Tinubu's residence) are not sufficient enough to convict him of money laundering because no outsider had seem them being emptied on the premises and therefore can prove they actually carried money - that's why I said the bouillons could even be empty and that Tinubu could later also pretend that it was all a gimmick to psychologically intimidate the opposition - into believing APC had more money than they actually had.

Yes Tinubu implied the bouillons had money but that is something he could later deny, using the above example as one among the many possible excuses he could use to defend himself.

If you insist on this line of argument; then can you pls tell me: what type of currency, Naira, Dollar, Euro etc' then the Denomination(s) and the exact amount in each bouillon - just a few of the required evidence a plaintiff may have to prove in court in order for the allegation of money laundering to stick.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014: 10:38am On Mar 07, 2019
ItsMeAboki:
I am sorry to say that you seem to have a very serious problem with comprehension.

What I have been saying is that the evidence seen so far (bouillons going in and out of Tinubu's residence) are not sufficient enough to convict him of money laundering because no outsider had seem them being emptied on the premises and therefore can prove they actually carried money - that's why I said the bouillons could even be empty and that Tinubu could later also pretend that it was all a gimmick to psychologically intimidate the opposition - into believing APC had more money than they actually had.

Yes Tinubu implied the bouillons had money but that is something he could later deny, using the above example as one among the many possible excuses he could use to defend himself.

If you insist on this line of argument; then can you pls tell me: what type of currency, Naira, Dollar, Euro etc' then the Denomination(s) and the exact amount in each bouillon - just a few of the required evidence a plaintiff may have to prove in court in order for the allegation of money laundering to stick.
If u actually comprehended urself & what u have been writing, then it will b easy 4 me to agree with u that I lack comprehension.

Now u are assuming that because u didn't c d content of d bullion vans, hence they are empty. And u also assuming that bullion vans driving into Tinubus compound on d eve of elections was "was all a gimmick to psychologically intimidate the opposition - into believing APC had more money than they actually had."

First of all, was there ever a time that PDP& APC were contesting 4 who had more money? APC is d govt in power& everything is at its disposal. So it doesn't need to engage in any gimmick to show that it has more money. Instead, d reverse should b d case. If u want to intimidate d opposition, is it by having "empty" bullion vans drive into ur compound? This is d reason y I asked u b4, can a private individual walk into a bank to hire bullion vans just to use "to intimidate d opposition"? So far u haven't been able to tell me were u have seen banks in Nigeria putting up their bullion vans 4 hire.

Let me ask u. What is d process a private individual follows in hiring a bullion van? Can that individual just walk into any bank branch& transact such business? How will he or she pay 4d transaction? Will he or she pay cash? Into which account in d bank will d money go?

So if u want 2go to court, these are d questions u will first need 2 answer as y two bullion vans were seen in Tinubus compound on d eve of election.

If Tinubu is going to go by ur excuse that he used empty bullion vans to try to intimidate d opposition, how does that sound except u think such a flimsy reason will stand up in any court. Those vans came from somewhere. They came from a bank. Even if an outsider didn't c their contents, a court can demand 4d banks transactions as it relates with Tinubu. So I honestly don't no what u are trying to defend except u don't understand how d real world works.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by ItsMeAboki(m): 11:29am On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
If u actually comprehended urself & what u have been writing, then it will b easy 4 me to agree with u that I lack comprehension.

Now u are assuming that because u didn't c d content of d bullion vans, hence they are empty. And u also assuming that bullion vans driving into Tinubus compound on d eve of elections was "was all a gimmick to psychologically intimidate the opposition - into believing APC had more money than they actually had."

First of all, was there ever a time that PDP& APC were contesting 4 who had more money? APC is d govt in power& everything is at its disposal. So it doesn't need to engage in any gimmick to show that it has more money. Instead, d reverse should b d case. If u want to intimidate d opposition, is it by having "empty" bullion vans drive into ur compound? This is d reason y I asked u b4, can a private individual walk into a bank to hire bullion vans just to use "to intimidate d opposition"? So far u haven't been able to tell me were u have seen banks in Nigeria putting up their bullion vans 4 hire.

Let me ask u. What is d process a private individual follows in hiring a bullion van? Can that individual just walk into any bank branch& transact such business? How will he or she pay 4d transaction? Will he or she pay cash? Into which account in d bank will d money go?

So if u want 2go to court, these are d questions u will first need 2 answer as y two bullion vans were seen in Tinubus compound on d eve of election.

If Tinubu is going to go by ur excuse that he used empty bullion vans to try to intimidate d opposition, how does that sound except u think such a flimsy reason will stand up in any court. Those vans came from somewhere. They came from a bank. Even if an outsider didn't c their contents, a court can demand 4d banks transactions as it relates with Tinubu. So I honestly don't no what u are trying to defend except u don't understand how d real world works.
Oboy, I done tire for your matter and cannot continue to explain this very straight forward issue in more simpler terms - maybe somebody else may come in and assist.

As for me, I no even bother to read this your latest epistle again.

If you like, carry the matter go court, sue Tinubu say him dey use bouillon launder money - case closed.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014: 11:37am On Mar 07, 2019
ItsMeAboki:
Oboy, I done tire for your matter and cannot continue to explain this very straight forward issue in more simpler terms - maybe somebody else may come in and assist.

As for me, I no even bother to read this your latest epistle again.

If you like, carry the matter go court, sue Tinubu say him dey use bouillon launder money - case closed.
Na u carry court case enter d matter. No b me. I was only following ur line of argument.

U have nothing to explain cos u want 2 defend d indefensible. Under scrutiny, ur defense won't hold that's y u can't explain. D reasons u gave are flimsy & won't stand up in any court. Like I said, u probably don't understand how things work in real life that's y u can say a private individual can hire a bullion van from a bank. I really wish u could tell me were u have seen it happen
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by ItsMeAboki(m): 12:17pm On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
Na u carry court case enter d matter. No b me. I was only following ur line of argument.

U have nothing to explain cos u want 2 defend d indefensible. Under scrutiny, ur defense won't hold that's y u can't explain. D reasons u gave are flimsy & won't stand up in any court. Like I said, u probably don't understand how things work in real life that's y u can say a private individual can hire a bullion van from a bank. I really wish u could tell me were u have seen it happen
Can't you read?

I have already said I done tire for your matter - let someone else with time to waste help you.

See contradiction: on one hand na me carry de matter enter court; while on the other hand you dey talk say the reasons I gave won't stand in court - Oga, well done.

Abeg, I no get time for pesin wey dey argue like headless chicken - just find your level wey be like you.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by lexy2014: 1:30pm On Mar 07, 2019
ItsMeAboki:
Can't you read?

I have already said I done tire for your matter - let someone else with time to waste help you.

See contradiction: on one hand na me carry de matter enter court; while on the other hand you dey talk say the reasons I gave won't stand in court - Oga, well done.

Abeg, I no get time for pesin wey dey argue like headless chicken - just find your level wey be like you.
Of course I can read. D question I should b asking is are u actually reading what u ar typing?

Pls look at this again.
lexy2014:
Na u carry court case enter d matter. No b me. I was only following ur line of argument.
Do u no what it means when someone say "I am just following ur line of reasoning"? Except u have forgotten u wrote this:

ItsMeAboki:
What I have been saying is that the evidence seen so far (bouillons going in and out of Tinubu's residence) are not sufficient enough to convict him of money laundering

.....that's why I said the bouillons could even be empty and that Tinubu could later also pretend that it was all a gimmick to psychologically intimidate the opposition - into believing APC had more money than they actually had.

.....just a few of the required evidence a plaintiff may have to prove in court in order for the allegation of money laundering to stick.
From d above, u were d one talking about evidence & court & psychological gimmick as d reason y Tinubu can't b convicted 4 money laundering in a court. That was ur "line of reasoning which i followe. So what I did was to debunk all ur grammar. Or were u expecting me 2 just accept what u saying even though it was glaring that ur argument had no basis?

U don't need to get emotional & resort to name calling. If u chose 2 defend d obviously indefensible, its not my fault that u failed in achieving ur aim
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by ItsMeAboki(m): 8:08pm On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
Of course I can read. D question I should b asking is are u actually reading what u ar typing?

Pls look at this again.


Do u no what it means when someone say "I am just following ur line of reasoning"? Except u have forgotten u wrote this:



From d above, u were d one talking about evidence & court & psychological gimmick as d reason y Tinubu can't b convicted 4 money laundering in a court. That was ur "line of reasoning which i followe. So what I did was to debunk all ur grammar. Or were u expecting me 2 just accept what u saying even though it was glaring that ur argument had no basis?

U don't need to get emotional & resort to name calling. If u chose 2 defend d obviously indefensible, its not my fault that u failed in achieving ur aim
Case closed, I don't have time for unintelligent folks with no mental dexterity.

Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by ivandragon: 10:13pm On Mar 07, 2019
lexy2014:
Of course I can read. D question I should b asking is are u actually reading what u ar typing?

Pls look at this again.


Do u no what it means when someone say "I am just following ur line of reasoning"? Except u have forgotten u wrote this:



From d above, u were d one talking about evidence & court & psychological gimmick as d reason y Tinubu can't b convicted 4 money laundering in a court. That was ur "line of reasoning which i followe. So what I did was to debunk all ur grammar. Or were u expecting me 2 just accept what u saying even though it was glaring that ur argument had no basis?

U don't need to get emotional & resort to name calling. If u chose 2 defend d obviously indefensible, its not my fault that u failed in achieving ur aim
though some of your points can be faulted or debated to an extent, you are 'fighting a lost cause' with people who have chosen to be blind to the truth.

as long as it is their preferred thieves doing the looting, they have no qualms...


they have no problem calling atiku a thief because the US Congress indicted him, but call tinubu a drug dealer based on the US District Court, they insult you...


they have no problem with tinubu owning half of Lagos, worth billions of naira they say he worked with Mobil, was governor for 8 years. deziani, a former ED of Shell & minister owns a mansion worth N1b & they call her the greatest thief Nigeria has ever had...


so my friend, you are arguing with blind hypocrites...
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by DeWorlex45(m): 12:48am On Mar 08, 2019
swagifted:
but is it your bullion van?
I wonder if dis will be ur reactions if it was to be found in Atiku or any other PDP chieftain residence on an election eve.
Re: Tinubu’s Bullion Vans In The Eyes Of The Law By Lawrence Nnoli by Konquest: 10:20pm On Mar 10, 2019
DeWorlex45:
I wonder if dis will be ur reactions if it was to be found in Atiku or any other PDP chieftain residence on an election eve.
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If you read the original article by the lawyer, Lawrence C. Nnoli properly, you will
REALISE that he wrote in SUPPORT of Asiwaju Bola Adekunle Tinubu. He did NOT
CASTIGATE Tinubu like some of you folks were or are trying to do, by making
defamatory comments against one of the greatest political, corporate and business
icons in Nigeria! grin

Please read it again... and infact the article offers a very good FINANCIAL ADVICE
for FREE for a lot of people who are actually IGNORANT of the MONEY LAUNDERING
LAWS of Nigeria.

The excerpts from the original article right below shows that Lawrence Nnoli
DID NOT criticize or castigate Asiwaju Bola Adekunle Tinubu.

Case closed!



Having said these, so what actually are the squabbles about Tinubu’s billions in the Bullion vans?

First of all, for the fact that the billions arrived through bullion vans presupposes that the cash came from the banks. So nothing is wrong with him receiving billions in cash through the banks.


However where the problems lies is when he decides to give out cash in excess of five million naira to anybody without making the payment through a financial institution. Section 1 of the MONEY LAUNDERING (PROHIBITION) ACT, 2011 forbids him from doing so and in fact makes it a crime punishable by a forfeiture of an amount not less than 25% of the excess cash given.


Secondly, if the APC party leader decides to spend all that his money in the bullion vans in a way and manner not antagonistic to the law, he is free to do so.


Written by Lawrence C. Nnoli, a lawyer based in Lagos, Nigeria

http://www.excellawchambers.com/tinubus-bullion-vans-in-the-eyes-of-the-law/
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