₦airaland Forum

Ratello:
My learned friend I beg of you stop quoting that lost dude called senator or mayor he will only engage you in unnecessary pointless slanging match he is that empty trust me.

Lol

ChristianNorth:
You are smart.

You know section 49 of the first amendment after 2015 election that signed by Buhari included the use of card readers, so it is now recognized by law.

With that Section and INEC official guideline, PDP has a case here.

This is my position and for Atiku's team that includes about 13 SANs to have included the smart card readers as part of their evidences definitely they must have think it through because they are not that stupid.

When someone have bn stealing for long he/she will think everybody is a thief like him.

Atiku us just wasting his time and his too desperate for the president. Someone that can't win his LG

Ratello:
This is my position and for Atiku's team that includes about 13 SANs to have included the smart card readers as part of their evidences definitely they must have think it through because they are not that stupid.

Of course but they should be aggressive if not Wole will drag this to over 2 years.

ChristianNorth:
Tell Wole to come out and face Atiku's team as a man instead of hiding.

Oboy na fight

Ratello:
My learned friend I beg of you stop quoting that lost dude called senator or mayor he will only engage you in unnecessary pointless slanging match he is that empty trust me.

Am busy here.lets adjourn.no need wasting further time on preliminaries when the main proceedings is yet to come

senatordave1:
Am busy here.lets adjourn.no need wasting further time on preliminaries when the main proceedings is yet to come

Better then..

Ratello:
Let's keep it rolling. Impunity must be buried under this useless and demonic government of Buhari

CHAF
CHILD OF HUNGRY ANGER AND FRUSTRATION.

BuhariIsBURIED:
I just hope that daura he goat will be humiliated

Atiktoxicant at work
Very high on. Obitramadol

billante:
You are almost crying for this matter.....like your life depend on it

I Want to ask what have you really gained with the Buhari administration.....In all honesty have it personally improved your quality of life or family

none

ChristianNorth:
Of course but they should be aggressive if not Wole will drag this to over 2 years.

Brother, please can I ask you, (I'm not a lawyer and therefore I don't understand the nuances of law). But don't you think that even if Buhari/INEC has a weak case, that buahri can thwart justice using federal might, which is something very powerful. Are you not afraid of federal might? I think that's an instrument a lot of people fear and reason why so many people have already given up on this case.

blackpanda:
Before u quote bible verse that u dont know, did u see buhari running anywia or even responding to any of Atiku's theatrics

Buhari is Gods chosen. If una like jump inside lagoon

You who knows bible , where and when did God choose him, what authority do you have to speak of God in this matter?

Lets adopt VAR. Too many blunders all in the name of referring.

Trapping:
Brother, please can I ask you, (I'm not a lawyer and therefore I don't understand the nuances of law). But don't you think that even if Buhari/INEC has a weak case, that buahri can thwart justice using federal might, which is something very powerful. Are you not afraid of federal might? I think that's an instrument a lot of people fear and reason why so many people have already given up on this case.

That is why we have the supreme court and 7 justices are going to sit in that judgment.

At the moment, there are 16 Justices of the Supreme Court and 9 are core Southerners, then 1 Middle Belt christian, then another 1 is from Kaura, in Southern Kaduna State.

It is 11 against 5.

4 in those 11 are Igbos. So Buhari's tentacles cannot reach the Supreme court.

Worst case scenario, supreme court verdict will be Atiku 4 :3 Buhari.

So you have nothing to fear.

ChristianNorth:
APC will crush PDP if PDP tries to make this case an APC vs PDP thing.

But if they focus on INEC and on the weaknesses of their process, then it will be easier.

"The use of card reader in elections is foreign to our law" is a PDP argument that led to a precedence at the Supreme court but PDP can try to over turn this by basing their argument on Chapter 1 of the electoral act and the 2019 INEC election guidelines.

This is the reason we need Ikpeazu, this falls in his area of strength.

If that precedence is overturned, it is over for APC, because I am sure APC is building their cases on some electoral precedences.

So how do you expect the election petition tribunal to to over turn a decision of the Supreme Court?

Yareema22:
So how do you expect the election petition tribunal to to over turn a decision of the Supreme Court?

The Supreme Court will overrule themselves based on section 52 of the amended electoral act signed by Jonathan.

Chipink:
Is it pay on delivery?

Where is your location? I do pay on delivery, pls call/whatsapp the number on my profile. Thanks

This case is dead on arrival.

You claim to have facts and figures of card reader accreditation. Which is good but you must corroborate this piece of evidence with the full breakdown of where the extra voters were disenfranchised and the ballot papers to support this claim, while it's dependent on the court interpreting the place of the card reader.

Is the card reader used in the actual ballot process?No.

It is a pre collation issue which has no merit, considering a winner was declared after collation of actual ballot papers used in the voting process nationwide.

Furthermore it can be construed as another act of political desperation, spurring the loser to imply that such a situation existed in his favor, while in reality, it is a projection of his desires with the possibility of extraneous devices and resources employed to forcefully construct a convincing technological ruse to sway public opinion, and to attempt to cow the legal apparatus by this.

Osun is different from Nigeria. The possibility of the Osun judgment being overturned in the Supreme Court is very high.

This is because the lower tribunal stripped INEC of its powers to independently conduct and conclude an election, based on the electoral act as amended. INEC is guided first by the electoral act and not the general legal framework of the Nigerian constitution.

500 witnesses is a small sample size. Ordinarily we have 774 local government areas in Nigeria. It means the witnesses are not sufficient to gather conclusive evidence to declare the elections as a fraudulent process.

INEC remains the only one who can provide an acceptable count of Smart card reader numbers. Any back-end server interception can be dismissed as hacking and for all intents and purposes, it is deemed illegally obtained, fraudulent, falsified and misleading.

I rest my case.

ChristianNorth:
Are you for real?

In Agbaje vs Ambode case, the Supreme court struck out the case on the ground of incompetence, it has nothing to do with card reader ooh. I have interest in that case, so don't deceive Nigerians.

Wole won that case on technical ground. That is the only thing he is good at.

I'm sure you also don't know how Wike won his case in the supreme court. Must you argue everything? The supreme court has ruled on the fact that the constitution doesn't recognize the card reader,since INEC guidelines are inferior to the constitution. That was how Wike escaped. Card reader has no place, relying on it is just a waste of time.

Indispensable85:
I'm sure you also don't know how Wike won his case in the supreme court. Must you argue everything? The supreme court has ruled on the fact that the constitution doesn't recognize the card reader,since INEC guidelines are inferior to the constitution. That was how Wike escaped. Card reader has no place, relying on it is just a waste of time.

You are such an embarrasement. I won't waste time on you.

ChristianNorth:
You are such an embarrasement. I won't waste time on you.

Keep clutching on a straw. You know nothing,king of the nairaland ignoramus.
I'll call you out in due season,hope you won't change your moniker?

ChristianNorth:
Of course but they should be aggressive if not Wole will drag this to over 2 years.

This is why I said you know nothing. By the New amendment to the electoral laws,all matters before the election tribunal must be thrashed within 180 days. So no lawyer can drag any election petition case to over 2yrs like you've been busy erroneously explaining to your fellow neophytes.

ChristianNorth:
Ratello, I forgot to mention, Wole was dragging the case at Osun Tribunal. I don't know what is wrong with that guy.

Just the watch how he will be dragging this case like snail.

An average Governorship petition in Nigeria stretches over 2 years but imagine in high profile cases Ikpeazu was involved in like

Mama Taraba vs Darius
Udom vs Umana
Wike vs Dakuku
Otti vs Ikpeazu

It took less than 6 months to be completed. When Peter Obi was impeached, Ikpeazu secured victory within 3 months, when INEC declared Uba as Governor as Anambra State, Ikpeazu returned the mandate within 14 days.

Peter Obi vs Ngige took him 3 years and this was the first of its kind in the country.

Here you're again displaying your ignorance to the delight of your fellow know-nots.
All the four cases you cited above came after the electoral law was amended for election petition cases to be thrashed within 180 days. So it has nothing to do with ikpeazu's legal dexterity. All lawyers are constrained by the New amendment to round off their cases within the said period as clearly stated by the electoral act as amended. So no case can drag for 2yrs in the tribunal as it is today.

Indispensable85:
Here you're again displaying your ignorance to the delight of your fellow know-nots.
All the four cases you cited above came after the electoral law was amended for election petition cases to be thrashed within 180 days. So it has nothing to do with ikpeazu's legal dexterity. All lawyers are constrained by the New amendment to round off their cases within the said period as clearly stated by the electoral act as amended. So no case can drag for 2yrs in the tribunal as it is today.

Try to comprehend before you rush into defence.

Are you aware that Wike lost at both Tribunal and Appeal Court and this happened within the space of that 6 months and all the four cases I mentioned have similar characteristics, all lost at the Appeal and APC has the advantage of the card reader precedent.

So do you think it an average lawyer would have upturned that precedent within the space of the limited time remaining and still secured victory?

Don't forget the four cases were relatively different.

Indispensable85:
This is why I said you know nothing. By the New amendment to the electoral laws,all matters before the election tribunal must be thrashed within 180 days. So no lawyer can drag any election petition case to over 2yrs like you've been busy erroneously explaining to your fellow neophytes.

Tribunal has 6 months to determine their cases and but the case can still pass through Appeal and Supreme courts.

What you call law is what Supreme Court pronounced it to be. If you are remotely connected to legal practice, then you would have known this.

Like I used to say, Wole is a technical genius in electoral laws. If Wole wants to stretch this case he would do it.

This will set a new precedent that will override the section of the electoral act that places statue limit of the duration of electoral petitions.

For instance, Section 6 of the constitution clearly said a Governor needs to win 25% in 2/3 of the LGA to be duly returned. You don't need a lawyer to understand this.

Ihedioha of Imo failed to meet this requirement, if the Tribunal upholds his election, that section becomes null and void unless the Appeal Court set it aside.

If the Supreme court upholds the judgment, that section will become a mere academic exercise.

Section 52 of the electoral act 2015 legalizes the use of card readers, but in 2015, Supreme Court set aside that section of the law.

So law is not what you see Buhari assent on tv, but what the supreme court will interpret them to be.

There are legal provisions Wole can rely to drag this case if he wants.

So don't rush into argument you don't understand please.

Already there is a precedent, where a court failed to pass verdict within the required time. Go and find the case.

Maybe Ratello, can explain more to you.

ChristianNorth:
Try to comprehend before you rush into defence.

Are you aware that Wike lost at both Tribunal and Appeal Court and this happened within the space of that 6 months and all the four cases I mentioned have similar characteristics, all lost at the Appeal and APC has the advantage of the card reader precedent.

So do you think it an average lawyer would have upturned that precedent within the space of the limited time remaining and still secured victory?

Don't forget the four cases were relatively different.

Mr man, just take correction and stop complicating issues for yourself.
The 180 days is for the tribunal which is the court of first instance for election matters and where all evidence are adduced.it doesn't have anything to do with the appeal and supreme courts. No new evidence is introduced at the higher courts, so no much time is spent there. Arguments can be taken in one day and judgement reserved for a later date.

Indispensable85:
This is why I said you know nothing. By the New amendment to the electoral laws,all matters before the election tribunal must be thrashed within 180 days. So no lawyer can drag any election petition case to over 2yrs like you've been busy erroneously explaining to your fellow neophytes.

300days For Governorship and 240days for presidential . By the way, card reader is now constitutional.

Indispensable85:
Mr man, just take correction and stop complicating issues for yourself.

Let me help you because you are becoming an embarrasing here.

I contested an election and won and you ran to tribunal and according to exant laws, the court (Tribunal to Supreme Court) are mandated to conclude their cases within a specific period.

Now I formed my legal team and they started preparing and carrying evidence while you do the same.

We approached the Tribunal, I lost. That means my evidence and argument are not strong enough. So basically I have to start afresh.

We approach the Appeal Court and I lost again and I have less than a month to prepare for the Supreme court.

So do you think it will be easy to win at the Supreme court a case I don't have time to prepare for again and a case I already lost twice?

Indispensable85:
Mr man, just take correction and stop complicating issues for yourself.
The 180 days is for the tribunal which is the court of first instance for election matters and where all evidence are adduced.it doesn't have anything to do with the appeal and supreme courts. No new evidence is introduced at the higher courts, so no much time is spent there. Arguments can be taken in one day and judgement reserved for a later date.

You must be joking.

Otti vs Ikpeazu.

Why did we (APGA) lose the case? Go and find out.

ChristianNorth:
Tribunal has 6 months to determine their cases and but the case can still pass through Appeal and Supreme courts.

What you call law is what Supreme Court pronounced it to be. If you are remotely connected to legal practice, then you would have known this.

Like I used to say, Wole is a technical genius in electoral laws. If Wole wants to stretch this case he would do it.

This will set a new precedent that will override the section of the electoral act that places statue limit of the duration of electoral petitions.

For instance, Section 6 of the constitution clearly said a Governor needs to win 25% in 2/3 of the LGA to be duly returned. You don't need a lawyer to understand this.

Ihedioha of Imo failed to meet this requirement, if the Tribunal upholds his election, that section becomes null and void unless the Appeal Court set it aside.

If the Supreme court upholds the judgment, that section will become a mere academic exercise.

Section 52 of the electoral act 2015 legalizes the use of card readers, but in 2015, Supreme Court set aside that section of the law.

So law is not what you see Buhari assent on tv, but what the supreme court will interpret them to be.

There are legal provisions Wole can rely to drag this case if he wants.

So don't rush into argument you don't understand please.

Maybe Ratello, can explain more to you.

The section was not in force before the general election of 2015, that was why it had no bearing on the decision of the supreme Court.

ChristianNorth:
Tribunal has 6 months to determine their cases and but the case can still pass through Appeal and Supreme courts.

What you call law is what Supreme Court pronounced it to be. If you are remotely connected to legal practice, then you would have known this.

Like I used to say, Wole is a technical genius in electoral laws. If Wole wants to stretch this case he would do it.

This will set a new precedent that will override the section of the electoral act that places statue limit of the duration of electoral petitions.

For instance, Section 6 of the constitution clearly said a Governor needs to win 25% in 2/3 of the LGA to be duly returned. You don't need a lawyer to understand this.

Ihedioha of Imo failed to meet this requirement, if the Tribunal upholds his election, that section becomes null and void unless the Appeal Court set it aside.

If the Supreme court upholds the judgment, that section will become a mere academic exercise.

Section 52 of the electoral act 2015 legalizes the use of card readers, but in 2015, Supreme Court set aside that section of the law.

So law is not what you see Buhari assent on tv, but what the supreme court will interpret them to be.

There are legal provisions Wole can rely to drag this case if he wants.

So don't rush into argument you don't understand please.

Already there is a precedence, where a court failed to pass verdict within the required time. Go and find the case.

Maybe Ratello, can explain more to you.

You're still defending your ignorance. No election case can drag beyond the time stipulated by the electoral act as amended.
Is that so difficult to comprehend? Stop embarrassing yourself here.

Indispensable85:
You're still defending your ignorance. No election case can drag beyond the time stipulated by the electoral act as amended.
Is that so difficult to comprehend? Stop embarrassing yourself here.

Sorry, you are such an embarrassment.

A case can drag beyond the constitutionally stipulated time. We have such precedent in Nigeria.

Like I told you, a Nigerian judge can set aside any section of the law using the instrument of legal precedent and nobody go beat them.

If Supreme court upholds the election of Ihedioha, it will set some section of Chapter 6 of the constitution.

If Wole wants, he can drag this case beyond the 240 days required by law.