₦airaland Forum

bixton:
Were they not chest beating at the initial time?
I still wonder how can the CJN who is a carreer civil servant be playing his job like he's a politician. He ought to know better that the judiciary has a precedence to keep about her officers. I'd expected him to fight to the logical end since he said he is innocent.
Can anyone spot the difference in his case and that of Justice Salami? I think we in the SS should put our thinking caps in the right position.

You know, the governors were the first out of the block to accuse Buhari, and even tied in APC, of bias and dictatorship. So you are right they have lost the voice of reasoning and capacity to act as peacemakers on the case.

The best way out for the CJN is to recruit the AG.

Onnoghen's character is whats questioned, his judicial capacity is not in doubt, he is still a career judge. Therefore The AG, Mallami, can act as a professional witness to catalogue and brief the President on the career path of a lawyer and a judge, and why coming to a compromised deal might be better than a dead-end ruling.

Another option will be for Onnoghen to seek support from SANs in SW. I say this because Yoruba Lawyers command great respect and reverence from Government and SW is a partner in the Administration.

Both options will pay off greatly. By all means Mr Onnoghen should please put his ego and self to side for now and think about his family. This case could end with him going to prison. It will devastate the family. If I had capacity to speak influentially on his behalf I will do so for sake of his family. He appears to be a loving husband and father, he should be punished for his errors but he should not be condemned totally and denied his entitlements.

We want criminals to learn and adjust from their lessons, if we are cruel in the sentencing the chance to make correction will be lost.

frowland:
Those issues are by the way and have no bearing with my point.. .and I don't know why you guys keep making this defeatist comment.
I only commented on a specific issue and do not have time to delve into an unrelated subject. Because, the more such issues are logically defended or explained, the accused/guilty will keep shifting the goal post.
Judges for example, their kids are not innocent of certain crimes, pastors as well their kids aren't holy. I won't then go about telling a judge why are you sentencing me to jail when your son committed the same type of offence and go scot free. Its a political issue so let them kill themselves. I marvel at the way you guys defend this people as if they are orphans, no kids no family to defend them. This mans kids might be in UK/US while you guys are here wasting away time and MB defending either the govt or the opposition. Shame.

You said buhari should set a good example. How is he going to do that when the system his using to fight corruption is corrupt, the people around him is corrupt, he himself is corrupt.
Few weeks before the election efcc heard rumour that fayose is keeping atiku's money for election. They went to raid his house and they found nothing. Some days later, there was a video of bullion vans entering tinubu compound. Efcc became blind, deaf and dumb. I think this is kind of example you want Buhari to set. Munafikun (hypocrisy) example.

Some people are supporting onnoghen case even protested because they believe allegation against him is political undertoned which is true. Even if the allegation against him is true they won't be able to see it because Buhari has laid bad foundation for fighting corruption in his tenure. Since the beginning of Buhari's govt, Buhari has been witch hunting anyone that does not support his government using Efcc. Once someone from opposition party that has corruption case in court jump to apc, Efcc will immediately through his case into the river. Akpabio is a good example. That person become saint. I think this example you want him to set. Atiku was in apc from the start of Buhari's tenurebut he was never a thief. The moment he left apc for pdp he becomes thief. I think this is an example you want Buhari to set. (Hypocrisy)

I'm not supporting onnoghen I just detest hypocrisy.

jomoh:
This case should not be settled at the table of sentiment.


If the president accepts his resignation, then he has set a precedence that will send a message to the NJC and other judges that they can always get a soft landing from the president if found wanting and it will transcend the presidents own regime to an unforeseeable future. It will also send a bad signal to the world that corrupt judges can get away with malfeasance in Nigeria. A very bad message about country claiming to be fighting corruption if we think about it.

But if he refuse, it will send a message of seriousness about the fight against corruption and set a precedence that corrupt judges CAN and WOULD be dragged through the mud. It will also create fear that the EFCC is really watching.

Yes there may be free chest beating and few political grumbling but that will only be for a short time while the effect/precedence set good or bad will last for a very long time.

I think I am for the rejection and humiliation to set an example that no one is too big for the law to deal with.

The problem we face is multi-layered. For a long time the Executive arm of Government was operated as a mafia cocoon with exthortion and racketeering practices left and right. We should congratulate ourselves for doing the right thing and rejecting Atiku and PDP. We are on a long stretch to clean up Government and as Buhari expose and terminate each corrupt egg and replaces with spirited and conscentious citizens we will be able to arrive a point in which corruption is very negligible and is not bold. APC has mounted a crusade of discipline for the 9yh Assembly and we should give them helping support with our voices to clean Legislature so that ordinary citizens do not have to struggle and toil ungainfully just to get basic needs of life.

midolian:
The emboldened will surely happen in no distant time, but Onnoghen deserves no mercy.

A business man who deals in trading judgements deserve no mercy. Buhari's anti-corruption war will become an object of ridicule by Nigerians and the world at large.

Bullshit

Korllami007:
You said buhari should set a good example. How is he going to do that when the system his using to fight corruption is corrupt, the people around him is corrupt, he himself is corrupt.
Few weeks before the election efcc heard rumour that fayose is keeping atiku's money for election. They went to raid his house and they found nothing. Some days later, there was a video of bullion vans entering tinubu compound. Efcc became blind, deaf and dumb. I think this is kind of example you want Buhari to set. Munafikun (hypocrisy) example.

Some people are supporting onnoghen case even protested because they believe allegation against him is political undertoned which is true. Even if the allegation against him is true they won't be able to see it because Buhari has laid bad foundation for fighting corruption in his tenure. Since the beginning of Buhari's govt, Buhari has been witch hunting anyone that does not support his government using Efcc. Once someone from opposition party that has corruption case in court jump to apc, Efcc will immediately through his case into the river. Akpabio is a good example. That person become saint. I think this example you want him to set. Atiku was in apc from the start of Buhari's tenurebut he was never a thief. The moment he left apc for pdp he becomes thief. I think this is an example you want Buhari to set. (Hypocrisy)

I'm not supporting onnoghen I just detest hypocrisy.

I don't know where you are getting at. I have told you that the point you are making is unrelated to my position on the subject. If you have issues with Buhari and or APC and their fight against curruption, you know where to take it to, I am not efcc or judge and you cannot sway me with petty propaganda and sentiments.
I simply related my point to the CJN matter and how its a good precedence (specifically being subjective). Whether it was Buhari or GEJ or Yaradua, the point I was making is that IT IS ACTUALLY A GOOD PRECEDENT. Being that even after Buhari leaves office, issues like this can be inferred on and good judgement delivered based on this.
Finally, show me any APC or PDP supporter that's not a hypocrite one way or another and I show you a flying horse. Thank you.

This so called SAN called Clarke appears to be a Buhari apologist. As a SAN what should be of more interest to him is the legality or illegality of the whole CJN persecution

Titogbanski:
This so called SAN called Clarke appears to be a Buhari apologist. As a SAN what should be of more interest to him is the legality or illegality of the whole CJN persecution

We are past the point of finding an illegality or jurisdiction in the charge. That was the focus initially. Discoveries were fast forwarded....and the SANs are looking now for a safety-net to catch Onnoghen's fall.

FastShipping:
"Circular"?


Olodo.

first class clown

MetaPhysical:
You know, the governors were the first out of the block to accuse Buhari, and even tied in APC, of bias and dictatorship. So you are right they have lost the voice of reasoning and capacity to act as peacemakers on the case.

The best way out for the CJN is to recruit the AG.

Onnoghen's character is whats questioned, his judicial capacity is not in doubt, he is still a career judge. Therefore The AG, Mallami, can act as a professional witness to catalogue and brief the President on the career path of a lawyer and a judge, and why coming to a compromised deal might be better than a dead-end ruling.

Another option will be for Onnoghen to seek support from SANs in SW. I say this because Yoruba Lawyers command great respect and reverence from Government and SW is a partner in the Administration.

Both options will pay off greatly. By all means Mr Onnoghen should please put his ego and self to side for now and think about his family. This case could end with him going to prison. It will devastate the family. If I had capacity to speak influentially on his behalf I will do so for sake of his family. He appears to be a loving husband and father, he should be punished for his errors but he should not be condemned totally and denied his entitlements.

We want criminals to learn and adjust from their lessons, if we are cruel in the sentencing the chance to make correction will be lost.

Nice comments.
But I'd say if the CJN was not in good stance with prominent lawyers from the SW, then it will be difficult.
But I know the judiciary have a way of sorting out their issues, just that this was allowed to play too far.

MetaPhysical:
You know, the governors were the first out of the block to accuse Buhari, and even tied in APC, of bias and dictatorship. So you are right they have lost the voice of reasoning and capacity to act as peacemakers on the case.

The best way out for the CJN is to recruit the AG.

Onnoghen's character is whats questioned, his judicial capacity is not in doubt, he is still a career judge. Therefore The AG, Mallami, can act as a professional witness to catalogue and brief the President on the career path of a lawyer and a judge, and why coming to a compromised deal might be better than a dead-end ruling.

Another option will be for Onnoghen to seek support from SANs in SW. I say this because Yoruba Lawyers command great respect and reverence from Government and SW is a partner in the Administration.

Both options will pay off greatly. By all means Mr Onnoghen should please put his ego and self to side for now and think about his family. This case could end with him going to prison. It will devastate the family. If I had capacity to speak influentially on his behalf I will do so for sake of his family. He appears to be a loving husband and father, he should be punished for his errors but he should not be condemned totally and denied his entitlements.

We want criminals to learn and adjust from their lessons, if we are cruel in the sentencing the chance to make correction will be lost.

What an insightful submission that was but I think anyone associating with this case particularly pleading for clemency for the embattled judge would be seen as someone trying to frustrate this administration anti corruption crusade considering the fact that the CJN was given a lengthy time to consider the ramifications of his action by insisting the tribunal had no jurisdictions in trying his case. I was devastated how the number judicial officer in the land, instead of defending himself but decided to influence the court judgement by running to the Appeal court to quash the tribunal judgement. I think he should be allowed to face the consequences of his action since he already lost the window of opportunity given to him

Korllami007:
You said buhari should set a good example. How is he going to do that when the system his using to fight corruption is corrupt, the people around him is corrupt, he himself is corrupt.
Few weeks before the election efcc heard rumour that fayose is keeping atiku's money for election. They went to raid his house and they found nothing. Some days later, there was a video of bullion vans entering tinubu compound. Efcc became blind, deaf and dumb. I think this is kind of example you want Buhari to set. Munafikun (hypocrisy) example.

Some people are supporting onnoghen case even protested because they believe allegation against him is political undertoned which is true. Even if the allegation against him is true they won't be able to see it because Buhari has laid bad foundation for fighting corruption in his tenure. Since the beginning of Buhari's govt, Buhari has been witch hunting anyone that does not support his government using Efcc. Once someone from opposition party that has corruption case in court jump to apc, Efcc will immediately through his case into the river. Akpabio is a good example. That person become saint. I think this example you want him to set. Atiku was in apc from the start of Buhari's tenurebut he was never a thief. The moment he left apc for pdp he becomes thief. I think this is an example you want Buhari to set. (Hypocrisy)

I'm not supporting onnoghen I just detest hypocrisy.

I won't try to dispute your assertion. If PMB appointed a minister we all felt is corrupt (whether there's a substantive evidence or not) and in the long run proved to be true,it shows weakness on his part and your assertion can be considered. Corruption is our major problem as a nation and truth be told,we can't move forward if we don't curb this menace. How do you propose Buhari address the issue of corruption in an already endemic corrupt system where virtually everyone breeds corruption??

PrecisionFx:
I said buhari is brain dead. Stop being daft

it is obvious you don't know the meaning.

bixton:
Nice comments.
But I'd say if the CJN was not in good stance with prominent lawyers from the SW, then it will be difficult.
But I know the judiciary have a way of sorting out their issues, just that this was allowed to play too far.

When this first erupted I thought to myself there is no smoke without fire, the administration already got their hands on something incriminating. You dont just take a Chief Justice infront of a tribunal for fun. Then couple of SANs jumped in to say all infringement matters involving Judges are to be adjudicated by NJC. In their response the Administration said this case is a CCT jurisdiction. Thats when I knew this was more than mere infringement, its likely a far deeper issue and not unlikely to be related with the acquital of Saraki. At that early point I was wishing Onnoghen would do what lawyers do and bargain for a compromise and quash everything. But SS/SE groups joined in to urge him on in counter-attacks against the administration, and surprisingly he went along with the fray. That was his huge misstep.

I still believe he worked the backend in exchange for some money to acquit Saraki. If the case goes to trial the investigators will get to that revelation and it would incriminate a lot of people.....Onnoghen, Saraki, PDP, possibly Atiku. To save the embarassment Onnoghen has opted to resign.

MetaPhysical:
When this first erupted I thought to myself there is no smoke without fire, the administration already got their hands on something incriminating. You dont just take a Chief Justice infront of a tribunal for fun. Then couple of SANs jumped in to say all infringement matters involving Judges are to be adjudicated by NJC. In their response the Administration said this case is a CCT jurisdiction. Thats when I knew this was more than mere infringement, its likely a far deeper issue and not unlikely to be related with the acquital of Saraki. At that early point I was wishing Onnoghen would do what lawyers do and bargain for a compromise and quash everything. But SS/SE groups joined in to urge him on in counter-attacks against the administration, and surprisingly he went along with the fray. That was his huge misstep.

I still believe he worked the backend in exchange for some money to acquit Saraki. If the case goes to trial the investigators will get to that revelation and it would incriminate a lot of people.....Onnoghen, Saraki, PDP, possibly Atiku. To save the embarassment Onnoghen has opted to resign.

He should have done the bold at the preliminary instead of letting us on the media wars trying to proove himself right.
There are lots of persons whose case files are at the drawers of certain persons. Once you become a threat, it will be looked upon and suitable action will be taken if need be.

Babacele:
it is obvious you don't know the meaning.

Albert Einstein pls enlighten me, what's the meaning of brain dead?

MetaPhysical:
You know, the governors were the first out of the block to accuse Buhari, and even tied in APC, of bias and dictatorship. So you are right they have lost the voice of reasoning and capacity to act as peacemakers on the case.

The best way out for the CJN is to recruit the AG.

Onnoghen's character is whats questioned, his judicial capacity is not in doubt, he is still a career judge. Therefore The AG, Mallami, can act as a professional witness to catalogue and brief the President on the career path of a lawyer and a judge, and why coming to a compromised deal might be better than a dead-end ruling.

Another option will be for Onnoghen to seek support from SANs in SW. I say this because Yoruba Lawyers command great respect and reverence from Government and SW is a partner in the Administration.

Both options will pay off greatly. By all means Mr Onnoghen should please put his ego and self to side for now and think about his family. This case could end with him going to prison. It will devastate the family. If I had capacity to speak influentially on his behalf I will do so for sake of his family. He appears to be a loving husband and father, he should be punished for his errors but he should not be condemned totally and denied his entitlements.

We want criminals to learn and adjust from their lessons, if we are cruel in the sentencing the chance to make correction will be lost.

A common man on the street is not a loving father and husband can be tried and sentenced to years in jail but in this case, Onnoghen should be pampered because he is...... what exactly?
It is this kind of mindset of yours that makes corruption thrive in Nigeria, let him face the consequences of his greed, afterall you don't have any share in his bribes or do you?

Titogbanski:
This so called SAN called Clarke appears to be a Buhari apologist. As a SAN what should be of more interest to him is the legality or illegality of the whole CJN persecution

Mr over sabi, we know you have better facts that the EFCC and the NJC don't, please share with fellow Nigerians.

PrecisionFx:
Albert Einstein pls enlighten me, what's the meaning of brain dead?

when the brain is dead, the man is dead. I'm sorry you didn't know this. I am me ,Einstein is Einstein.

Babacele:
when the brain is dead, the man is dead. I'm sorry you didn't know this. I am me ,Einstein is Einstein.

Nope, don't be a daft Einstein.

A brain dead man isn't dead.

PrecisionFx:
Nope, don't be a daft Einstein.

A brain dead man isn't dead.

then you mumu pass as I thought. When the brain is dead , the man dies but foolish people may not understand because their brain too is already dieing...

Babacele:
then you mumu pass as I thought. When the brain is dead , the man dies but foolish people may not understand because their brain too is already dieing...

Daft Einstein

Yyeske:
A common man on the street is not a loving father and husband can be tried and sentenced to years in jail but in this case, Onnoghen should be pampered because he is...... what exactly?
It is this kind of mindset of yours that makes corruption thrive in Nigeria, let him face the consequences of his greed, afterall you don't have any share in his bribes or do you?

Sentencing Onnoghen to jail for which crimes exactly?

PrecisionFx:
Daft Einstein

I pity you smart buffon.

PrecisionFx:
Sentencing Onnoghen to jail for which crimes exactly?

Where in my post did you read Onnoghen going to jail? I only said he should face the consequences of his greed.

Yyeske:
Where in my post did you read Onnoghen going to jail? I only said he should face the consequences of his greed.

Which greed and which consequence?