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For many years I've been an ardent seeker of knowledge. I was once a staunch Christian and then I became a strong Atheist. After discovering more knowledge I left atheism. Now I'd describe myself as a non materialist who believes in the existence of a creator but doesn't know the nature of this creator.

From all my research I've come to certain realizations about the world that if I'd remained an atheist or a christian, I wouldn't have known and I'll like to share them here and use them to highlight the fact that Atheists who by and large are materialists are very ignorant and have been brainwashed by "science" and new atheists like Dawkins.

NB: I don't use the word IGNORANT as a derogatory term. I'm using it to imply that the designated have little to no knowledge about their world.

Laying in bed, watching that scene from the Blues Brothers over and over again

I was an atheist too. Science fiction, Internet, my curiousity and false knowledge/science brainwashed me.
I lost the little morals I had before becoming an atheist.

Christianity and most other religions are closer to the truth than Atheism.

On the question of God:

From my reliable research, the creation of humans is part evolution and part artificial intervention. I'm not a denier of evolution, it is a natural occurring phenomenon. The point is that in the case of human evolution, our evolution was tampered with. The identity of the creator beings who messed with our natural evolution is still a gray area in my research, but I can confidently assert that humans were created by something imperfect of higher intellect than ours but similar physical appearance. Most ancient cultures assert this and leave proof in their writings.

So you can see that on this subject the claims of christians and the likes are closer to the truth. Christians believe that a creator exists, even though they are wrong in terms of the being they ascribe their creation to. But Atheists believe that nothing created them. Not only is this belief wrong, it implicitly admits of the non existence of a transcendental force or intellect outside the realm of human perception or intellectually capacity.

Blockdock90:
For many years I've been an ardent seeker of knowledge. I was once a staunch Christian and then I became a strong Atheist. After discovering more knowledge I left atheism. Now I'd describe myself as a non materialist who believes in the existence of a creator but doesn't know the nature of this creator.

From your description, it can easily be discerned that you have a reoccurring likelihood to end at the polar extreme of every part of spectrum you find yourself.

From all my research I've come to certain realizations about the world that if I'd remained an atheist or a christian, I wouldn't have known and I'll like to share them here and use them to highlight the fact that Atheists who by and large are materialists are very ignorant and have been brainwashed by "science" and new atheists like Dawkins.

Isn't it ironic that someone who has been on two ends of what can described as spectral extremes still possess such a stoic stance on his new found middle ground bordering the edge of extremism in making confident remarks such as this?

NB: I don't use the word IGNORANT as a derogatory term. I'm using it to imply that the designated have little to no knowledge about their world.

Brainwashed isn't derogatory too I'm sure.

Anyway, i look forward to reading your thoughts

OpenYourEyes1:
I was an atheist too. Science fiction, Internet, my curiousity and false knowledge/science brainwashed me.
I lost the little morals I had before becoming an atheist.

Tell me how atheism fueled your loss of morality?

johnydon22:
From your description, it can easily be discerned that you have a reoccurring likelihood to end at the polar extreme of every part of spectrum you find yourself.


Isn't it ironic that someone who has been on two ends of what can described as spectral extremes still possess such a stoic stance on his new found middle ground bordering the edge of extremism in making confident remarks such as this?

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NB: I don't use the word IGNORANT as a derogatory term. I'm using it to imply that the designated have little to no knowledge about their world.Brainwashed isn't derogatory too I'm sure.

Anyway, i look forward to reading your thoughts

I used the words Staunch and Strong to indicate unwavering devotion or belief, rather than extremism like you assuming. I used those words as a counter argument to people who will come and say that I wasn't really a christian or I wasn't really an atheist.

Blockdock90:
Christianity and most other religions are closer to the truth than Atheism.

On the question of God:

From my reliable research,

Can you provide us with these research sources and materials? Because for someone who thinks Atheists are brainwashed by science, showing this much trust in this your " reliable research" does in fact inject elements of you being brainwashed by these research sources just as you say the atheists are by science.

the creation of humans is part evolution and part artificial intervention. I'm not a denier of evolution, it is a natural occurring phenomenon. The point is that in the case of human evolution, our evolution was tampered with. The identity of the creator beings who messed with our natural evolution is still a gray area in my research, but I can confidently assert that humans were created by something imperfect of higher intellect than ours but similar physical appearance. Every single ancient cultures assert this and even provide proof in their writings and art work.

Aliens then?

So you can see that on this subject the claims of christians and the likes are closer to the truth. Christians believe that a creator exists, even though they are wrong in terms of the being they ascribe their creation to. But Atheists believe that nothing created them. Not only is this belief wrong, it implicitly admits of the non existence of a transcendental force or intellect outside the realm of human perception or intellectually capacity.

You have not actually shown how your assertion is correct, you have already made a conclusion of Christians be right and atheists being wrong based on your own unsubstantiated stance you happen to believe is a literal truth.

You have not shown how it is different or more credible.

Wow

Blockdock90:
I used the words Staunch and Strong to indicate unwavering devotion or belief, rather than extremism like you assuming. I used those words as a counter argument to people who will come and say that I wasn't really a christian or I wasn't really an atheist.

Oh i know Staunch or strong implies lack of implicit agnosticism in this positions which you have reaffirmed here with your insertion of unwavering.

So, my observation actually is still supported by you

Hmmmm

On the nature of our reality

Atheists are disproportionally materialist. They believe that the physical universe and its properties are all that exist and
that nothing else does. But this view is wrong. And this is another area where Christians and other theists seem to have the upper hand knowledge wise.

From my research, I've discovered that the material universe isn't all there is. There are realms outside our human perception and beings exist within this realms. Religions like Christianity and Islam are correct when they talk about spiritual worlds and spiritual forces.

This is what I 100% know as the truth: Our physical universe exists in a dimensional space and this dimensional space exists alongside other dimensions. In these other dimensions there are beings who exist within them. We can't see these dimensions or these beings because our perceptive lenses can only see stuff that's in our dimension. But, in certain cases and through certain methods we are able to access these other dimensions and communicate with these beings.

I'll explain further below.

johnydon22:
Oh i know Staunch or strong implies lack of implicit agnosticism in this positions which you have reaffirmed here with your insertion of unwavering.

So, my observation actually is still supported by you

Let's leave the semantics for now please.

there are two type of atheist I know. one those who are who they are base on on research and knowledge, the other, those who are unstable and ungrounded in what they think they know. many of them just trying to escape the fear of the unknown

OpenYourEyes1:
I was an atheist too. Science fiction, Internet, my curiousity and false knowledge/science brainwashed me.
I lost the little morals I had before becoming an atheist.

I was a Christian a deep one, but I believe in fact not fiction. I love history of the world and question everything that lead me to where I am today. today I am not afraid of anything neither am I wayward.
I don't need any spiritual guidance to live right.

Understanding The Elements & Symbols Of Nature

One of the ways humans can and have been able to access other dimensions and communicate with otherworldly beings is through the deep understanding of the elements of nature and the proper utilization of symbols and rituals. When I was an atheist I used to believe that black magic doesn't exists and that native doctors were scammers. How ignorant I was. Now I know for a fact that magic of all sorts do exists and that they manifest through the schooled use of nature's elements like water, plants and even blood & through the observance of certain practices and rituals.

Shamans and juju priests have for centuries been able to access other dimensions through this method. A lot of the so called spirits and demons who claim ownership of geographic areas or beings that native doctors attribute supremacy to have been accessed through this method.

The Nazis during world war 2 realised all this and ventured into all sorts of witchcraft and esoteric practises. They even visited shamans in different parts of the world with the intention of gaining more access to this sort of knowledge.

Again as you can see, Atheists are clueless on this subject, whereas Christians have known all this since. But Christians do not understand it well enough and they certainly do not understand how their own religion has incorporated aspects of these practices.

johnydon22:
Tell me how atheism fueled your loss of morality?

I once stated here that religion is very important because without it the nation will run mad with chaos everywhere. its funny how many hinge their moral compass on religion.
I am not a Christian but I don't womanise because I will either the girl am with so I don't cheat.
I don't smoke because its bad for my health.
I can't steal because it will amount to me hurting someone deeply I know how it feels to lost something I worked for.

I can't steal public fund if I am in position because it breed backwardness.

I can't kill because the person you wish dead has love ones who care about them, I know how much it hurt to loose someone so why should I use a book as a guidance when my brain can do that

Blockdock90:
Understanding The Elements & Symbols Of Nature

One of the ways humans can and have been able to access other dimensions and communicate with otherworldly beings is through the deep understanding of the elements of nature and the proper utilization of symbols and rituals. When I was an atheist I used to believe that black magic doesn't exists and that native doctors were scammers. How ignorant I was. Now I know for a fact that magic of all sorts do exists and that they manifest through the schooled use of nature's elements like water, plants and even blood & through the observance of certain practices and rituals.

Shamans and juju priests have for centuries been able to access other dimensions through this method. A lot of the so called spirits and demons who claim ownership of geographic areas or beings that native doctors attribute supremacy to have been accessed through this method.

The Nazis during world war 2 realised all this and ventured into all sorts of witchcraft and esoteric practises. They even visited shamans in different parts of the world with the intention of gaining more access to this sort of knowledge.

Again as you can see, Atheists are clueless on this subject, whereas Christians have known all this since. But Christians do not understand it well enough and they certainly do not understand how their own religion has incorporated aspects of these practices.

so now let me ask this simple question how did war end for Germans who seek higher power and those who have a strong resolve and believe in pure scientific method.

your last statement should have answer your own issue raised.

"From my research, I've discovered that the material universe isn't all there is. There are realms outside our human perception and beings exist within this realms. Religions like Christianity and Islam are correct when they talk about spiritual worlds and spiritual forces."



Well, you claim to have one been an atheist. If so, I'm pretty sure you heard things like

"I know God exists, I'm sure God exists, I have personally felt/ experienced God in my life"

But without proof, you knew they were just opinions of people. Of which you had a different one.



Likewise now, "From my research, I've discovered"

You claim to have made a research, and you made the inference that a spiritual world exists.


That is YOUR Inference. Your opinion. Unsubstantiated.


Please Reference your Research and give us the chance to actually realise weather you might actually be right.


Without it, you are just stating your opinion of things. Which is not necessarily correct, as someone else would have an opinion contrary to yours.

Also,
I believe you must have read or seen at least one of these posts before;

Pastor sprays insecticide on congregation. ( To cure illness)

Pastor orders female Congregants To Come To Church Without Underwear For Christ To Enter Their Bodies

Pastor KISSES young woman on the lips to 'rid her body of demons

and many more.


Though not in Nigeria,
Some of these Christian Congregation Believe in these pastors and what they preach.



Yet you say

Atheists Are The Most Ignorant & Brainwashed People In The World.

I beg to differ.

Golden6:
Also,
I believe you must have read or seen at least one of these posts before;

Pastor sprays insecticide on congregation. ( To cure illness)

Pastor orders female Congregants To Come To Church Without Underwear For Christ To Enter Their Bodies

Pastor KISSES young woman on the lips to 'rid her body of demons

and many more.


Though not in Nigeria,
Some of these Christian Congregation Believe in these pastors and what they preach.



Yet you say

Atheists Are The Most Ignorant & Brainwashed People In The World.

I beg to differ.

ask any Christian or Muslim he or she believes in the existence of Zeus or Odin they will tell you they are just imaginary beings created my man as in they don't exist. now what they fail to understand is that if they happened to be living in that era, they will be willing to die for their believe and would have find us strange like only a madman will deny the existence of Zeus.

so many times, it easier for you to allow somebody think for you than to do it yourself.

like always tell people before the Romans and European help Christianity to spread, other gods reign supreme then the Israelite god was a local one and those reigning ones were believe to be the creator so it basically the same story with a different god.

Blockdock90:
Christianity and most other religions are closer to the truth than Atheism.

On the question of God:

From my reliable research, the creation of humans is part evolution and part artificial intervention. I'm not a denier of evolution, it is a natural occurring phenomenon. The point is that in the case of human evolution, our evolution was tampered with. The identity of the creator beings who messed with our natural evolution is still a gray area in my research, but I can confidently assert that humans were created by something imperfect of higher intellect than ours but similar physical appearance. Most ancient cultures assert this and leave proof in their writings.

For the sake of this argument, let's assume you are 100% correct in your assertion that human evolution was tampered with by imperfect beings of higher intellect that also happen to look like us (although it is highly improbable that these creatures would look like primates). This still only proves the existence of highly advanced extraterrestrial life forms, still comfortably within the scope of the assertions that strong atheists make.

Blockdock90:
So you can see that on this subject the claims of christians and the likes are closer to the truth. Christians believe that a creator exists, even though they are wrong in terms of the being they ascribe their creation to. But Atheists believe that nothing created them. Not only is this belief wrong, it implicitly admits of the non existence of a transcendental force or intellect outside the realm of human perception or intellectually capacity.

You are projecting claims on atheism that it doesn't make. The strongest atheist will only claim that God doesn't exist. God, in this case is an omnipotent, omniscient, conscious being that also serves as the creator of the universe.

Mostly just baseless and unfounded assertions. Yes mathematically more dimensions may exist but mathematics does not prove the existence of beings in those extra dimensions. How about you show us these your research points lets know if you truly have sound reason to believe what you believe.

Blockdock90:
For many years I've been an ardent seeker of knowledge. I was once a staunch Christian and then I became a strong Atheist. After discovering more knowledge I left atheism. Now I'd describe myself as a non materialist who believes in the existence of a creator but doesn't know the nature of this creator.

From all my research I've come to certain realizations about the world that if I'd remained an atheist or a christian, I wouldn't have known and I'll like to share them here and use them to highlight the fact that Atheists who by and large are materialists are very ignorant and have been brainwashed by "science" and new atheists like Dawkins.

NB: I don't use the word IGNORANT as a derogatory term. I'm using it to imply that the designated have little to no knowledge about their world.

There is one single SENTENCE that caught my attention in your writeup, you said 'i was once a staunch Christian'.
I want to tell you that it is easy to say 'i am a Christian' or 'i was a Christian' but truthfully speaking 99.9% of those claiming Christians today don't even know what being a Christian entails!
Almost all those claiming Christians are practicing man~made traditions based on the assumption of their misinformed religious leaders.
For instance let me tell you a shocking fact about Jesus of Nazareth.
¤Did you know that during his lifetime on earth,Jesus do drink alcoholic beverages?
¤Did you know that Jesus is NEVER opposed to women's make ups or hairdo?
¤Did you know that Jesus STRICTLY lived by the same principle he set for his followers?
¤Did you know that Jesus detests all religious titles like Pastor, Prophet, Apostle, Evangelist, Deacon and so on for people to be addressed with such titles?
¤Did you know that Jesus NEVER purposely starve himself as what most religions calls FASTING today?
These are all man~made traditions handed over from generations to generations in the name of Christianity whereas these traditions have NOTHING to do with Christ!