RTSC:

Chinese companies hack US companies in America and steal proprietary information.[/b]
That is the problem.
They also steal from US defence companies who have no business in China.[b]

If China can create such a harsh backward policy of surrendering expensive intellectual property before establishing there, then why is America the bad guy here for doing what is in their own interest?

@ bolded, Every country do that, just because America makes alot of noice because they have the media does not mean they don't do it to others.
Do you hear about Hypersonic gliders by Russia, America has been on it since 1990 but Russian announced it last year and America stole it during world cup stuff in Russia. Now America is testiing their own, do u hear about S-200 during Vietnamese war, America copied the Radar and thermal sensing to developer some of their air defence. Do u also know some Russian fighter jet technology US also copied in the 60's if anybody suffered copied in China's hand it was Russian millitary.
May be u can read this
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-the-cia-got-its-hands-some-russias-most-powerful-weapons-24430
No nation can rise without either technology transfer or theft, it is just impossible to do technology leap. Most of foundation of America's technology were acquired, stolen, transfered or copied from Europe in the 18th century.

mahkanjuh:
You know why we keep giving reasons why Kirin os would fail, Huawei must have looked into this carefully as how it will not fail,
So many years back, we keep seeing China and their products as fake and substandard
Today, we could barely do without having to buy one thing or the other that has been produced or coupled in China.
And that's why we are so backward in Nigeria, we will never see way forward or solution to an impending/looming problem.

Forgetting that why there are 1000 reasons a thing would fail, there are also 1000 reasons why it would also work.

Nugget
Be positive in your thinking, it is the best good you can do yourself, if there is anything like that.
Selah!

☑️

While we are here in Nigeria debating which tribe to rule or president commissioning boreholes

Donmedra:
While we are here in Nigeria debating which tribe to rule or president commissioning boreholes

seunfly:


Yes u are right but Huawei's case is beyond Money, go and read about Five Eyes countries and their dependence on America's telecom technology and the effect of 5G.

If China is able to break that dependence through 5G, that means America's influence will start to dwindle especially 5G that is regarded as the new electricity. It is just like Turkey and S/400, once you taste it, u will continue to want more and you are moving away from the dependence and aliance.
The strength of America is not just her millitary, (no matter how powerful your millitary is, u can't defeat the whole world ask Hitler about that ) the true strength are the allies and friends who depends on America for so many things and are ready to defend America no matter the situation. Another means China wants to use to break traditional American allies dependence on America is OBOR which is giving America serious challenge to stop, recently Italy has join and it is sure in 10 years time Germany and France may join, once that happens those countries already have vested interest in China and will be very soft to China the way they are to America today, the next Chinese target will be $ hegemony which is the fabric of America's economy.

As per the dollar hegemony part, I think the Chinese have started work on that. The first phase might be the currency swap deal with Nigeria, in which you don't need to have dollars before trading with them, just swap your currency with their Chinese Yuan

timay:


As per the dollar hegemony part, I think the Chinese have started work on that. The first phase might be the currency swap deal with Nigeria, in which you don't need to have dollars before trading with them, just swap your currency with their Chinese Yuan

Main reason the country is not progressing


Ever since our tight alliance with china

ken6488:


Main reason the country is not progressing


Ever since our tight alliance with china

Was there a time Nigeria was progressing?

Answer that question truthfully.

Things gets bad every day, and the previous government is always better than the present. that should tell you something

timay:


Was there a time Nigeria was progressing?

Answer that question truthfully.

Things gets bad every day, and the previous government is always better than the present. that should tell you something

Just compare..


1980 currency rate to now...

ken6488:


Just compare..


1980 currency rate to now...

You just proved my point.

There was never a time or period after our independence that we were progressing. The currency rate have been depreciating since then and it has never looked back.

timay:


You just proved my point.

There was never a time or period after our independence that we were progressing. The currency rate have been depreciating since then and it has never looked back.

This country is like a time bomb


I wonder how this country will survive the next 25yrs

ken6488:


This country is like a time bomb


I wonder how this country will survive the next 25yrs

The civil war was an opportunity to reset, but we never used the opportunity to restructure, instead we never learnt from history and the cause of the war to make amends, but we just moved on as if it never happened, in fact the civil war issue should have been part of our educational curriculum , so that the future generations will learn from the mistakes, instead it was miraculously omitted.

timay:


The civil war was an opportunity to reset, but we never used the opportunity to restructure, instead we never learnt from history and the cause of the war to make amends, but we just moved on as if it never happened, in fact the civil war issue should have been part of our educational curriculum , so that the future generations will learn from the mistakes, instead it was miraculously omitted.

I was never taught anything about the civil war...

Back in school


Because it was emmited




I read About it privately

timay:


As per the dollar hegemony part, I think the Chinese have started work on that. The first phase might be the currency swap deal with Nigeria, in which you don't need to have dollars before trading with them, just swap your currency with their Chinese Yuan

You are correct, currency swap is just tiny bit of gigantic steps China has taken. The first step is to back Yuan up with something reliable which is gold( $ was backed up by crude oil and millitary), China has been secretly buying up gold for a very long time and they are buying it in such away that it will not affect the price of gold otherwise the plan will backfire on them if the price of gold rise. Second step is to make it convertible to gold, China has started working on that, they have set up something similar to Wall Street.
Third step is to convince the Saudi to accept gold back Yuan instead of $ because Saudi holds key to Petroldallar which can also accelerate petro Yuan, Saudi's have accepted in a low key, others such as Iran, Iraq really don't mind going in that direction anyway, the present stage is to convince other smaller countries to trade with China in Yuan instead of dollars while the last and the most difficult stage is to convince countries to hold Yuan as foreign reserve and cash reserve. That is the most difficult especially convincing the people that matter most which is EU who are traditional allies of America, that is why China must first reduce dependency rate of American allies on America and increase it in her own favour.

RTSC:

American propaganda?
Really?

Why should American companies do business with Chinese companies when they are only going to steal the tech?

Here goes your mistake. China don’t steal ideas. Rather they perfect it and make it more comfortable for people to benefit from such ideas. You can even say an art of copying is an art of perfection.

What’s so good about apples iPhone that you wouldn’t find better in a Chinese-made phone. What’s so good in google cloud which you wouldn’t find in Ali cloud? The fact is that, Americans are leveraging too much on the cost of the rest of the world.

mahkanjuh:


Forgetting that why there are 1000 reasons a thing would fail, there are also 1000 reasons why it would also work.

Nugget
Be positive in your thinking, it is the best good you can do yourself, if there is anything like that.
Selah!

A wise word. Am glad there is someone out there in Nigeria, who bears this burden.
Instead of seeing the fault and failures in every endeavour, time to endeavour to venture for solutions.

seunfly:


Chinese government did not ban Google in China, google pulled out of China in 2010 and 2016 respectively due to Sevier competition, hacking and unfavorable censor negotiation.
Amazon could not compete with local Alibaba and Co, Facebook and Twitter was as a result of AI, you need to read about AI and Facebook to understand.
No doubt China protected some parts of her core industries( every country except Nigeria is guilty of that even America did that for aviation and defense industries) but this Trumps move is not about Chinese protectionism because many American companies really depends on Chinese market for survival especially Auto industries because China is the biggest market in the world and by 2030 China will over take America as all rounder biggest consumers market in the world.
We also need to understand that China by culture are not consumer in nature like we Africans, they saves alot and only buy whatever they need and what is cheap. Right now American did not really have what China wants to buy except technology they don't have such as phones (which is why Apple's biggest market is China), chips and semi conductors ( which is why American gov want to kill made in China 2025) and Autos which has already dominated China ( all profits posted by American auto industries are from china) any other things can be sorted out much cheaper in China or somewhere else. You need to understand that America actually included gas in their trade negotiation with China because they couldn't offer much things for China to buy and China agreed even though they are weary of depending on America for energy because energy is the life line of any economy and you cant put that trust in the hands of your rival and enemy.

This move is just an act to slow down Huawei who has been taking the traditional market of American firm particularly the telecommunication sector that is very essential to CIA. Imagine America losing UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and Canada all the five eyes countries which are America's backbone of world hegemony because of advanced technology from one upcoming company that did not exist 20years ago, Australia and New Zealand could be pushed around but immediately Angela Merkel and Theresa May made it public they are going ahead with Huawei, the best thing is to kill the snake b4 it distroyed a relationship built for more than 70 years.
The earlier people stops believing in the narrative pushed by the media and study international politics and policies the better we all understand the true agenda behind the subsequent policies.

I must say USA and Other rivary World super powers issues are all about "GAME OF POWER"JUST LIKE "GAMES OF THRONE "SENARIO

MAY GREAT ONE SAVE US FROM WORLD TRYANTS

Divit:

Here goes your mistake. China don’t steal ideas. Rather they perfect it and make it more comfortable for people to benefit from such ideas. You can even say an art of copying is an art of perfection.

What’s so good about apples iPhone that you wouldn’t find better in a Chinese-made phone. What’s so good in google cloud which you wouldn’t find in Ali cloud? The fact is that, Americans are leveraging too much on the cost of the rest of the world.

They perfect what?
lol.
The iPhone is better than any Chinese brand. That is a fact.
America did not force the world to buy apple. They may ban chinese products in America, but they did not ban it in other parts of the world.

There are other lesser alternatives to buy.

Cheaper does not mean perfect. It's cheaper for a reason.

MrBONE2:


I must say USA and Other rivary World super powers issues are all about "GAME OF POWER"JUST LIKE "GAMES OF THRONE "SENARIO

MAY GREAT ONE SAVE US FROM WORLD TRYANTS

You are very correct, that is why I laugh at people who believed in what media says.
The truth is they are all playing games and the leaders knows but they need to stick to a narrative that is easy for public to digest and follow their agenda. 90% of what world leaders says in public is a lie infact if they say yes, just know that what they are saying is NO.

Do you believe Angela Merkel and Macron don't really see eye ball to eye ball without confrontation? Yet they smile to TV giving joint press conference together, France and Germany are having their own internal game of throne within EU.

International politic is very sweet when you are reading it, it is like movie but the painful thing is the public that swallow their narrative and repeat the lies.

timay:


The civil war was an opportunity to reset, but we never used the opportunity to restructure, instead we never learnt from history and the cause of the war to make amends, but we just moved on as if it never happened, in fact the civil war issue should have been part of our educational curriculum , so that the future generations will learn from the mistakes, instead it was miraculously omitted.

It's a classic ostrich move, it buries its head in the sand and pretends all is well. If anybody has any misgivings about what you typed, they can look to Rwanda to see a proper example of post war reconciliation. While the Rwandans have learnt their lesson and have done away with ethnic sentiments, Nigeria is still stuck in denial.

seunfly:


Chinese government did not ban Google in China, google pulled out of China in 2010 and 2016 respectively due to Sevier competition, hacking and unfavorable censor negotiation.
Amazon could not compete with local Alibaba and Co, Facebook and Twitter was as a result of AI, you need to read about AI and Facebook to understand.
No doubt China protected some parts of her core industries( every country except Nigeria is guilty of that even America did that for aviation and defense industries) but this Trumps move is not about Chinese protectionism because many American companies really depends on Chinese market for survival especially Auto industries because China is the biggest market in the world and by 2030 China will over take America as all rounder biggest consumers market in the world.
We also need to understand that China by culture are not consumer in nature like we Africans, they saves alot and only buy whatever they need and what is cheap. Right now American did not really have what China wants to buy except technology they don't have such as phones (which is why Apple's biggest market is China), chips and semi conductors ( which is why American gov want to kill made in China 2025) and Autos which has already dominated China ( all profits posted by American auto industries are from china) any other things can be sorted out much cheaper in China or somewhere else. You need to understand that America actually included gas in their trade negotiation with China because they couldn't offer much things for China to buy and China agreed even though they are weary of depending on America for energy because energy is the life line of any economy and you cant put that trust in the hands of your rival and enemy.

This move is just an act to slow down Huawei who has been taking the traditional market of American firm particularly the telecommunication sector that is very essential to CIA. Imagine America losing UK, Germany, Australia, New Zealand and Canada all the five eyes countries which are America's backbone of world hegemony because of advanced technology from one upcoming company that did not exist 20years ago, Australia and New Zealand could be pushed around but immediately Angela Merkel and Theresa May made it public they are going ahead with Huawei, the best thing is to kill the snake b4 it distroyed a relationship built for more than 70 years.
The earlier people stops believing in the narrative pushed by the media and study international politics and policies the better we all understand the true agenda behind the subsequent policies.

Too many misinformation in just one post. Amazon n Alibaba are strategic partners, not competitors. If Amazon's share tank, Alibaba must tank too. Amazon's products comes mainly from China, and Alibaba or 1688 is the middle man.

Google is the best search engine in the world. If u thii am lieing, try using Chinese owned Baidu.com or Microsoft's bing or Russian Yandex for a week, let's see if u won't cry. Your argument of Google being an inferior engine is wrong.

Social media like FB, twitter news media like CNN, BBC, FOX r banned not censored. They have their reasons which is both good and bad but I envy them for it.

Auto industry is another wrong info. Chinese love foreign car brands just the way they love Apple brands. If they are the largest auto industry, most of the money is going to foreign car brands.

I don't want to go further than this unless it's face to face talk.

ken6488:



All Americans president

Irrespective of there parties......




Have a common plan for sure.....



All democrat and Republican


Are supporting Trump on this.....

Mehn, those guys are displaying some serious maturity even tho they don't appear to like Trump. I wish for a time when everything won't be about APC OR PDP in Nigeria