₦airaland Forum

9jaRealist:
What exactly is the divorce from reality? That Nigeria is not the Extreme Poverty Capital of the World?
Anyway, there’s a saying that no-one can ride on your back unless you are bent over, and REALITY is some of you are grabbing their ankles.
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One might think someone that appears to be well versed like yourself will understand the importance of security in a country like this,especially when the person in question is the most important person in the country.

ivandragon:
ever heard of leadership by example?

Ever heard of rulership by exploitation?

What exactly is the “example” here? That if ordinary citizens (the so-called “masses”) want the benefit of world-class facilities they should either cheat, steal or even kill their way to power as the ruling elite does? That if they want basic security and attendant peace of mind accorded to the ruling class, or even the exorbitant wages of our legislators, they should engage in same chicanery? Taking the commonwealth of the citizenry to insulate yourself from them or to otherwise lord over them is NOT leadership by example. Appropriating taxpayers’ funds to provide luxuries for yourself and your family when those resources could be invested in health, education, public transportation, public security, and all other basics that would make the lives of the people you are purportedly elected to SERVE is not leadership by example.

Always been befuddled at the absurdity of Nigerian national legislators reportedly enjoying the world’s HIGHEST wages for legislators, in a country that is presently (even as we are having this discussion) struggling to pay a minimum wage that is even LESS than a living wage to its civil servants - and then when one comes across this sort of subservient “leadership by example” justification for elite exploitation. SMH
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9jaRealist:
Ever heard of rulership by exploitation?

What exactly is the “example” here? That if ordinary citizens (the so-called “masses”) want the benefit of world-class facilities they should either cheat, steal or even kill their way to power as the ruling elite does? That if they want basic security and attendant peace of mind accorded to the ruling class, or even the exorbitant wages of our legislators, they should engage in same chicanery? Taking the commonwealth of the citizenry to insulate yourself from them or to otherwise lord over them is NOT leadership by example. Appropriating taxpayers’ funds to provide luxuries for yourself and your family when those resources could be invested in health, education, public transportation, public security, and all other basics that would make the lives of the people you are purportedly elected to SERVE is not leadership by example.

Always been befuddled at the absurdity of Nigerian national legislators reportedly enjoying the world’s HIGHEST wages for legislators, in a country that is presently (even as we are having this discussion) struggling to pay a minimum wage that is even LESS than a living wage to its civil servants - and then when one comes across this sort of subservient “leadership by example” justification for elite exploitation. SMH
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surely you are confusing my comments with someone else's...


I suggest you calm down & do a self check before you wreck yourself...

ivandragon:
surely you are confusing my comments with someone else's...

I suggest you calm down & do a self check before you wreck yourself...

From leadership by (mis)example to discussion by rap?
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9jaRealist:
From leadership by (mis)example to discussion by rap? >

yes ooo.
at least it diffused your misdirected aggression...

so what is/was your point?
if you feel the purchase was reasonable, fine.
if you feel it was unnecessary, fine...
are you ok now?

ivandragon:
yes ooo.
at least it diffused your misdirected aggression...
so what is/was your point?
if you feel the purchase was reasonable, fine.
if you feel it was unnecessary, fine...
are you ok now?

A spirited discussion is not personal aggression...

Nonetheless, while you apparently think (in your own words) that “it is not out of place for the [Nigerian] president to use a vehicle worth N280m or higher” and that the only issue is that Mr. Buhari portrays himself as a humble person, MY POINT is that it is entirely out of place! In the Extreme Poverty Capital of the World, it is not just fiscally and morally out of place but downright VULGAR and UNCONSCIONABLE for the president (or any public officer or political officeholder) to indulge in such unnecessary and ostentatious luxuries, regardless of the person occupying the office and how he public portrays himself and/or his values.

For perspective, N280 million will pay the NEW minimum wage for over 9,300 civil servants that the government is struggling to pay (and the OLD minimum wage of over 15,500 civil servants)! Meanwhile, reasonably certain that not one federal government college or polytechnic or college of education (where we train teachers who train our kids) , each populated with HUNDREDS of students, received up to N280 million for its annual budget. Would anyone seriously suggest that, if only this was not Mr. Buhari, it is not out of place to spend more on a vehicle for one public SERVANT than on the future of hundreds of Nigerian kids?
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shogsman:
One might think someone that appears to be well versed like yourself will understand the importance of security in a country like this,especially when the person in question is the most important person in the country.

While others would think that perhaps someone who appears to be well versed like yourself would grasp that the most important people in any country are ordinary CITIZENS and that government (including Mr. Buhari’s office) exists solely for the benefit of the citizens, not vice versa.

The Nigerian president is neither a monarch nor a sovereign onto himself. He’s a PUBLIC SERVANT ‘employed’ by the citizenry to serve them. N280m would pay the new minimum wage of over 9,300 civil servants and the old wage of over 15,500 c/servants, and that’s better usage.
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9jaRealist:


A spirited discussion is not personal aggression...

Nonetheless, while you apparently think (in your own words) that “it is not out of place for the [Nigerian] president to use a vehicle worth N280m or higher” and that the only issue is that Mr. Buhari portrays himself as a humble person, MY POINT is that it is entirely out of place! In the Extreme Poverty Capital of the World, it is not just fiscally and morally out of place but downright VULGAR and UNCONSCIONABLE for the president (or any public officer or political officeholder) to indulge in such unnecessary and ostentatious luxuries, regardless of the person occupying the office and how he public portrays himself and/or his values.

For perspective, N280 million will pay the NEW minimum wage for over 9,300 civil servants that the government is struggling to pay (and the OLD minimum wage of over 15,500 civil servants)! Meanwhile, reasonably certain that not one federal government college or polytechnic or college of education (where we train teachers who train our kids) , each populated with HUNDREDS of students, received up to N280 million for its annual budget. Would anyone seriously suggest that, if only this was not Mr. Buhari, it is not out of place to spend more on a vehicle for one public SERVANT than on the future of hundreds of Nigerian kids?
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ok. we are making head way.


as a president, there are certain benefits attached to that office which the president may out of his own volition, reject or accept & using an official car of his choice is certainly one of them.



I may concede on the price itself being too high regardless of the personality of the president, though I have my reservations about the price quoted... but your position is logical.




on the budget for some tertiary institutions, you must understand that every sector has its own budget no matter how frivolous it may seem & just the montly salaries of some tertiary institutions is over N280m, so get your facts right on that.



I am more concerned about a leader who doesn't stand by the principles he espouses...

ivandragon:
ok. we are making head way.

as a president, there are certain benefits attached to that office which the president may out of his own volition, reject or accept & using an official car of his choice is certainly one of them.

I may concede on the price itself being too high regardless of the personality of the president, though I have my reservations about the price quoted... but your position is logical.

on the budget for some tertiary institutions, you must understand that every sector has its own budget no matter how frivolous it may seem & just the montly salaries of some tertiary institutions is over N280m, so get your facts right on that.

I am more concerned about a leader who doesn't stand by the principles he espouses...

Yes, we are indeed making progress...
This is how dialogue occurs (rather than folks just yelling at each other ).

The PRICE was my SOLE objection/issue...
I have nothing against the concept of an official car.

PS: Btw, I tend to be very circumspect...
And thus reasonably sure that NONE of the institutions I selected has a wage bill of N280m (that's why I left out universities).
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9jaRealist:
Yes, we are indeed making progress...
This is how dialogue occurs (rather than folks just yelling at each other ).

The PRICE was my SOLE objection/issue...
I have nothing against the concept of an official car.

PS: Btw, I tend to be very circumspect...
And thus reasonably sure that NONE of the institutions I selected has a wage bill of N280m (that's why I left out universities).
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check your budgets...

in fact, in 2017, FCE, Zaria, Alvan Ikoku COE Owerri, had a personnel bill of over N3.5... which translates to over N290m p/m...


FEDPOs Bida, Mubi, UA, Kd, Auchi, Oko, YabaTech had personnel bills of over N3b p/a...


so, on that note, your information for wage bills of FCE & Polys, may not be accurate.


Alvan Ikoku COE, Owerri had a bill of