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kally32:
Has Oshiomole's rantings removed Saraki as SP? Of what benefits is his courage and rantings self? Oshiomole is playing bitter partisan politics. A PC and PDP are two sides of a coin. Oyegun and Oshiomole are two extreme opposites of who a 'uniting' leader is.

Times ,place and circumstances dictate the type of leaders that emerge. Presently ,Oshiomole is the best that can handle the situation in APC and party politics in Nigeria ,presently. The indiscipline is just too much.

kernel01:
Winning Saraki alone isn't a goal for Oshiomole. APC is more exposed to multi litigations and lost more states under the Oshiomole.

They lost states like Oyo because the people dislike the man called Constituted Authority. They lost Ondo because of Akeresolu selfishness who was supporting his own preferred candidates in another party, his own case started during the era of Oyegun. The same case happened in IMO where Okorocha wanted to impose his in-law on Imolite, all these happened during Oyegun era and the man Oyegun couldn't solve this problems before Oshobaba came in. APC lost Zamfara also due to the internal crisis among some selfish men in that state. Again, it was during Oyegun era before Oshobaba came to inherit those problems. What Oshobaba was doing is what is expected from a party chairman. (The party supremacy and interest should come first and that all) If not for Oshobaba, Tinubu, Osinbanjo and co, APC including Buhari could have lost all their position cos Oyegun was dancing to the tune of some governors who refused to allow the party to hold the National Convention in accordance with INEC law. I don't need to tell you the consequence of not holding a National Convention before the election. Oyegun was selfish and more interested in his tenure elongation. The whole APC crisis started after that convention cos Oyegun couldn't resolve those crisis before they went for the convention.

Babacele:
So what exactly are you saying? Why did Rochas loose the party structure to the Uzodinma's camp even under Oyegun before Oshiomole emerged as the party chairman? The reason is that party faithfuls even in Okorocha's government don't want Nwosu. And all attempts at explaining the implications of his recalcitrant insistence to Anayo fell deaf ears. That is a serious indiscipline when individuals rub poo on the party face and turn around to cry wolf. Oshiomole presently is the party- a bitter reality you may not want to admit.

Oga... Nobody is the party. It's a body of stakeholders, and they must be a consensus. If he's the party, he wouldn't need their votes to win as Chairman.

In fact, Democracy means consensus.

It is not all about losing state but about instilling discipline across party line. All the states APC is as a result of the govs been rebellious or they under performed. Oyegun condole indiscipline across the party.

Esseite:
So what has oshomole done differently or better than Oyegun...

Losing more states?

Babacele:
saraki lost his senatorial . isn't that more than removed? He has lost relevance in Kwara. It would send a note of warning across. That is the Oshiomole effect . Ask Okorocha,Amosun et al.

That same Oshiomole's effect couldn't deliver Akpabio- the uncommon defector in Akwa Ibom. Nobody takes Oshiomole's rantings seriously again. If I lie, ask Ahmed Lawan and Femi Gbajabiamila who are lobbying PDP members to achieve their leadership positions, contrary to Oshiomole's rantings and stance. I don't subscribe to politics of bitterness and hypocrisy. APC used otoge to fight Saraki vehemently in Kwara but couldn't use it to fight Tinubu in Lagos. I guess Oshiomole has repented otherwise he doesn't have the moral right to fight Okorocha and Amosun having orchestrated the installation of Obaseke as Edo governor. Anyways, impunity is the trademark of all politicians. The earlier the masses understand this and take action better for us.

kally32:
That same Oshiomole's effect couldn't deliver Akpabio- the uncommon defector in Akwa Ibom. Nobody takes Oshiomole's rantings seriously again. If I lie, ask Ahmed Lawan and Femi Gbajabiamila who are lobbying PDP members to achieve their leadership positions, contrary to Oshiomole's rantings and stance. I don't subscribe to politics of bitterness and hypocrisy. APC used otoge to fight Saraki vehemently in Kwara but couldn't use it to fight Tinubu in Lagos. I guess Oshiomole has repented otherwise he doesn't have the moral right to fight Okorocha and Amosun having orchestrated the installation of Obaseke as Edo governor. Anyways, impunity is the trademark of all politicians. The earlier the masses understand this and take action better for us.

Fight Tinubu for what? It baffles many of you who choose to be blind when God and fate hasn't touched your eyes. Why would any sane person fight Tinubu in Lagos? I have forgotten that Obaseki is Oshiomole's son in law, and that Obaseki wasn't the choice of the people hence he won at the poll. How funny you are!

kernel01:
Oga... Nobody is the party. It's a body of stakeholders, and they must be a consensus. If he's the party, he wouldn't need their votes to win as Chairman.

In fact, Democracy means consensus.

agreed and that is why indiscipline should be condoned in the party like imposing your son in law against the parties choice; is that your definition of consensus?

Babacele:
agreed and that is why indiscipline should be condoned in the party like imposing your son in law against the parties choice; is that your definition of consensus?

I'm saying having presented his son in-law, the state stakeholders, made their decision, not Adam making it look like he's fighting him.

Look I'm no fan of Okorocha, but Oshiomole asking lawmakers, who have the mandate of the people to vote anybody without asking them is setting the people against their representatives.

Babacele:
Fight Tinubu for what? It baffles many of you who choose to be blind when God and fate hasn't touched your eyes. Why would any sane person fight Tinubu in Lagos? I have forgotten that Obaseki is Oshiomole's son in law, and that Obaseki wasn't the choice of the people hence he won at the poll. How funny you are!

You really are oblivious of the similarities in the examples I gave. Anyways I understand the bases for your jaundiced sentiments and analysis. wish u and APC well.

kernel01:
I'm saying having presented his son in-law, the state stakeholders, made their decision, not Adam making it look like he's fighting him.

Look I'm no fan of Okorocha, but Oshiomole asking lawmakers, who have the mandate of the people to vote anybody without asking them is setting the people against their representatives.

Then why have you been dragging Oshiomole into the mess?

kally32:
You really are oblivious of the similarities in the examples I gave. Anyways I understand the bases for your jaundiced sentiments and analysis. wish u and APC well.

which parallel similarities are you referring to? What is the bases for biases?

Babacele:
Then why have you been dragging Oshiomole into the mess?

Oshiomole asking lawmakers, who have the mandate of the people to vote anybody without asking them is setting the people against their representatives.

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