War is a bad situation and no sane person prays for it. But, what do people fear in war? Loss of lives, loss of properties, displacement. Which one is not happening in Nigeria right now? Are Nigerians not dying, not being displaced and properties like houses and farmland not destroyed? Are those threatening Nigerians with war not seeing the number that has gone in the graves? If Nigeria must work, killing by any group whether sponsored, imported from Mali or anywhere must stop. Invading or grabbing people's land must stop. You can't kill my loved one and expect me to love Nigeria as a united nation. Unity and bloodshed are two dangerous enemies. The Fulani must adhere to the modern standard of cattle rearing and see it as a personal business. The cattle is their shop and should be ready to pay for rent. Nomadic style is old, impossible, unjustifiable and ridden with violence. Land is very precious and no one would want to lose his. If we understand the property law very well, we will understand that every land is owned and the aim of the state is not to take it illegally. Whatever is in the land including the grasses are owned. Land is akin to home. How do you feel when someone invades your home? That is how the owner of the land feels. So what the fulanis are doing is totally wrong and has no defence in law. They can't continue killing innocent people so that communities or state governors will be forced to give them land in the name of making peace. Animals are owned for business or any other thing and it constitutes offence when they enter homes, farms or destroy crops. Nigerian government is aware of this and still encourages the ugly trend to escalate resulting into avoidable bloodshed. The height of it is the effrontery to kill a farmer whose land they have invaded and whose crops have been destroyed. Freedom of movement does not connote moving animals around anywhere you like including farms, schools and offices not minding the health implications. No other country in the world takes this madness except Nigeria. The fulani leaders know that what their people are doing is evil but because the primordial Nigerian tribes are not united, it now becomes a norm, a right only reserved for the fulanis and an opportunity to take over people and claim the entire the country. Nigerians have borne the burdens of allowing the fulanis to kill and destroy farmlands for too long and it must stop. Let the judiciary reinterpret the law protecting properties to fulani people because it's very funny that the same people we are begging to stop killing and destroying farms are warning us with war. Hmmm, this is Nigeria!

This is why I find it absurd that Nigerians including our troops are dying everyday from what our northern people caused when we ain't at war with an external force...
This is really a bad time to be a Nigerian and a soldier

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Tell buhari fulanis herdsmen are into business and must buy land for their business.

You didn't make it clear if you're advocating for war, but you certainly made it clear that you're sympathetic towards one breaking out. I suspect because the scale of destruction that takes place during wars is very very abstract to you.

Your argument, on its own merit though, is rather nonsensical. It is this in summary: There is a crisis, therefore escalate the crises. Can you give examples of where this type of belligerent thinking ever worked? I have a radical idea: What about trying to deescalate said crisis?

Anyway, no matter. If you're bent on your war, I just hope you'll be on the frontlines, commandeering your battalion to easy victory when that war you're eager for starts.

AgentOfAllah:
You didn't make it clear if you're advocating for war, but you certainly made it clear that you're sympathetic towards one breaking out. I suspect because the scale of destruction that takes place during wars is very very abstract to you.

Your argument, on its own merit though, is rather nonsensical. It is this in summary: There is a crisis, therefore escalate the crises. Can you give examples of where this type of belligerent thinking ever worked? I have a radical idea: What about trying to deescalate said crisis?

Anyway, no matter. If you're bent on your war, I just hope you'll be on the frontlines, commandeering your battalion to easy victory when that war you're eager for starts.

Deescalate? Great idea.

So how do you propose this is done? Support FG's idea to seize farmlands and give them away to wandering fulanis, many who are not even Nigerian?

People like AgentOfAllah have dangerous ideas where sentiments dominate reasoning. Replying him is inconsequential because his foundation has fed him with more foolishness that sensibility. Until he is ready to reason objectively, he should be left to his delusion and massive ignorance.

OdumegwuOjukwu:


Deescalate? Great idea.

So how do you propose this is done? Support FG's idea to seize farmlands and give them away to wandering fulanis, many who are not even Nigerian?

I know of no such plan by FG, and as far as I know, this would be quite impossible because FG does not own any land in Nigeria according to the land use act of our constitution. Perhaps you could elaborate on that plan to seize farmlands to educate those who may be ignorant such as myself.

One way to deescalate, I would say, is to support current efforts by the NGF, NEC, FG, farmers and livestock breeders to iron out the modalities of the National Livestock Transformation Plan that will be of net benefit to all stakeholders and then we follow up, protest and scream until it is implemented transparently and with sincerity of purpose.
In the long term, we should spare some thoughts for the animals whose abuse is central to this sort of quandary and start looking to manage and curb our demands for, and consumption of animal products as a sentient species.

Mmuoojukwu:
People like AgentOfAllah have dangerous ideas where sentiments dominate reasoning. Replying him is inconsequential because his foundation has fed him with more foolishness that sensibility. Until he is ready to reason objectively, he should be left to his delusion and massive ignorance.

To be fair, I was the first to admit, if you read my post again, that seeking to deescalate conflict is a radical, and, you might even say "dangerous" idea. As I see it, peaceful resolution of a crisis situation is a far more compelling dangerous situation to be in than, say, something like interethnic war. But that's just my sentiment dominated reasoning though. What does your non-sentimental reasoning say?

AgentOfAllah:


I know of no such plan by FG, and as far as I know, this would be quite impossible because FG does not own any land in Nigeria according to the land use act of our constitution. Perhaps you could elaborate on that plan to seize farmlands to educate those who may be ignorant such as myself.

One way to deescalate, I would say, is to support current efforts by the NGF, NEC, FG, farmers and livestock breeders to iron out the modalities of the National Livestock Transformation Plan that will be of net benefit to all stakeholders and then protest and scream until it is implemented transparently and with sincerity of purpose.
In the long term, we should spare some thoughts for the animals whose abuse is central to this sort of quandary and start looking to manage and curb our demands for, and consumption of animal products as a sentient species.

The Lifestock Transformation Plan, RUGA, Cattle Colony, FG Sponsored Ranch, or what have you is same as FG government initiative to 'seize', 'steal', 'acquire' and what have you, land from other natives with the sole purpose of transferring same to Fulani. The different nomenclatures are just to bamboozle the uninitiated.

If the NGF/NEC/FG are sincere, they would have started by showing Nigerians evidence of their effort to arrest and prosecute herdsmen who have been fingered in killings of farmers, raping of women, and destruction of farmlands. Without justice for these people, why should anyone trust FG intention (stated or otherwise).

If FG is indeed interested in Livestock transformation, why did they suspend implementation in so-called States that have accepted it? Or is the real target the South? Or is the real reason to populate every nooks and crannies of the country with itinerant fulanis? To what end? Internal colonization? Electoral value?


And the animals are not at the center of this quandary, people are. Fulani herdsman crisis have done harm to people than to cows. Why would you suggest sparing thoughts for animals, when lives are lost everyday because Fulani man refuse to understand that his cattle business is his and his alone; just as traders, artisans, and others have already understood this. Who is sparing thoughts for families whose loved ones are killed by herdsman? I surely haven't heard the president spared any thought or prayers for them let alone compensation.

Why should the FG give special preference to fulanis and herdsmen on scarce resources such as land? Why should I?

OdumegwuOjukwu:


The Lifestock Transformation Plan, RUGA, Cattle Colony, FG Sponsored Ranch, or what have you is same as FG government initiative to 'seize', 'steal', 'acquire' and what have you, land from other natives with the sole purpose of transferring same to Fulani. The different nomenclatures are just to bamboozle the uninitiated.

Fair enough. I would assume you aren't one of the uninitiated. So that means you are able to offer at least one official document from the LTP or RUGA plan that details this land seizing policy of the FG in favour of Fulanis? I am really curious about this. To be up front, I have read a lot about RUGA and LTP on the pages of newspapers, but I have not yet seen a single policy document, so I don't know what any of these plans are about. If you have such documents, please share. I am happy to be educated by you today.

The whole Nigeria will be like the North in the future if you ever allow the Fulani to expand beyond the Northern part of Nigeria. I will also like to advise the Hausa’s wake up and take mean efforts to push back the Fulani’s they are the major cause of Hausas calamities

AgentOfAllah:

Fair enough. I would assume you aren't one of the uninitiated. So that means you are able to offer at least one official document from the LTP or RUGA plan that details this land seizing policy of the FG in favour of Fulanis? I am really curious about this. To be up front, I have read a lot about RUGA and LTP on the pages of newspapers, but I have not yet seen a single policy document, so I don't know what any of these plans are about. If you have such documents, please share. I am happy to be educated by you today.

Did you see any such document when Fulani arrived Nigeria and reduce the noble Hausa people to whatever they are now?
Did you see any such document when Fulani settlement started in Plateau state, until that have renamed a huge swath of land and render the indigenous people homeless with fury and blood bath? Did you see any document when Fulani herdsman converted Kachia grazing reserve in Benue state to Laduga emirate?

Keep waiting for policy document because President Buhari, the Grand Patron of MACBAN is going to put it in writing that he intend to 'steal' land from unsuspecting natives for the benifit of his Fulani ethnic group and MACBAN.

Keep waiting...

OdumegwuOjukwu:

If the NGF/NEC/FG are sincere, they would have started by showing Nigerians evidence of their effort to arrest and prosecute herdsmen who have been fingered in killings of farmers, raping of women, and destruction of farmlands. Without justice for these people, why should anyone trust FG intention (stated or otherwise).

Yes, I support the prosecution of any criminal who has participated in such hideous crimes. Justice is in fact a crucial step in the resolution of this crisis. This justice should likewise extend to criminals who have rustled the cattle of herdsmen, attacked their villages and families.

If FG is indeed interested in Livestock transformation, why did they suspend implementation in so-called States that have accepted it? Or is the real target the South? Or is the real reason to populate every nooks and crannies of the country with itinerant fulanis? To what end? Internal colonization? Electoral value?

The first question is interesting. The remaining questions are what one would normally refer to as 'loaded' questions.
As I currently understand it, LTP is a separate project from RUGA. As far as I know, it is RUGA that has been suspended, not LTP. That said, I don't know enough about either of the policies to understand why RUGA was suspended. To this end, I think the FG should be more transparent about these projects and carry everyone along so that there would be no need to follow up relevant questions with loaded ones such as you have done here.

And the animals are not at the center of this quandary, people are. Fulani herdsman crisis have done harm to people than to cows. Why would you suggest sparing thoughts for animals, when lives are lost everyday because Fulani man refuse to understand that his cattle business is his and his alone; just as traders, artisans, and others have already understood this.

People are no doubt affected by this quandary. My suggestion to spare some thoughts for the animals involved is a whole new debate about the ethics of eating animals. I made a mistake in raising it here, but I am happy to discuss that further with you at a later time.

Who is sparing thoughts for families whose loved ones are killed by herdsman? I surely haven't heard the president spared any thought or prayers for them let alone compensation.

I imagine you are sparing thoughts for them. I am too, which is why I favour deescalation. I don't wan't to see any more people die because of problems that can be solved by negotiations.
Oh yeah, one more thing: If you haven't heard the president spared a thought or prayers for the families of victims of the herders-farmers crisis, that does not necessarily mean he hasn't done so. We should be careful about making generic conclusions based on our subjective experiences.
Read "President condemns "wicked" attacks by Fulani herdsmen in Benue"

Why should the FG give herdsmen special preference to fulanis and herdsmen on scarce resources such as land? Why should I?

FG shouldn't give preference to any group.

AgentOfAllah:


To be fair, I was the first to admit, if you read my post again, that seeking to deescalate conflict is a radical, and, you might even say "dangerous" idea. As I see it, peaceful resolution of a crisis situation is a far more compelling dangerous situation to be in than, say, something like interethnic war. But that's just my sentiment dominated reasoning though. What does your non-sentimental reasoning say?

We have a law which says its unlawful to possess unlicensed guns. Assault rifles in private ownership is completely banned. This crisis has many roots but the immediate and most pressing is lethal assault by fulani herdsmen.

So why are you calling for deescalation of an unlawful act? Shouldnt enforcement of law be the first criteria here?

OdumegwuOjukwu:



Did you see any such document when Fulani arrived Nigeria and reduce the noble Hausa people to whatever they are now?
Did you see any such document when Fulani settlement started in Plateau state, until that have renamed a huge swath of land and render the indigenous people homeless with fury and blood bath? Did you see any document when Fulani herdsman converted Kachia grazing reserve in Benue state to Laduga emirate?

Keep waiting for policy document because President Buhari, the Grand Patron of MACBAN is going to put it in writing that he intend to 'steal' land from unsuspecting natives for the benifit of his Fulani ethnic group and MACBAN.

Keep waiting...

I thought we were discussing the specific policies of RUGA and LTP here? It seems your whole claim about RUGA and LTP being attempts by FG to seize lands isn't based on anything specific regarding the policies and their implementations, but based on your deep rooted suspicion of the Fulani ethnicity. With respect, having this conversation based on your subjective suspicions veers off too uncomfortably into the unfalsifiable realm of conspiracy theories. I am not so competent or willing to dabble into that because I don't deal in speculations.

When you can show me specific properties about the RUGA or LTP policies that confirm this land seizing claim of yours, I will be open to taking your objections more seriously.

AgentOfAllah:

Yes, I support the prosecution of any criminal who has participated in such hideous crimes. Justice is in fact a crucial step in the resolution of this crisis. This justice should likewise extend to criminals who have rustled the cattle of herdsmen, attacked their villages and families.

It is a known fact that task forces has been cited severally tackling Cattle Rustlers, I haven't heard of any checking the activities of herdsmen who invade farms. That should show you where the affinity of the President lies.

The first question is interesting. The remaining questions are what one would normally refer to as 'loaded' questions.
As I currently understand it, LTP is a separate project from RUGA. As far as I know, it is RUGA that has been suspended, not LTP. That said, I don't know enough about either of the policies to understand why RUGA was suspended. To this end, I think the FG should be more transparent about these projects and carry everyone along so that there would be no need to follow up relevant questions with loaded ones such as you have done here.

Grazing route = Grazing Reserve = Cattle Colonies = Government Sponsored Ranching = LTP = Ruga = 'Stealing' native land for Fulani = Populating Nigeria with fulanis for insidious purpose.

Only the 'uninitiate' or perhaps the Marine will believe otherwise!

People are no doubt affected by this quandary. My suggestion to spare some thoughts for the animals involved is a whole new debate about the ethics of eating animals. I made a mistake in raising it here, but I am happy to discuss that further with you at a later time.

It was insensitive putting animal before man. Exactly what the president have been doing. I'm glad you realize the mistake. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about killing animal for the benefit of man and gods. Their fate is sealed. Perhaps we could do it humanely at best. And by animal, I include fish, and chicken as I don't favour red meat.

I imagine you are sparing thoughts for them. I am too, which is why I favour deescalation. I don't wan't to see any more people die because of problems that can be solved by negotiations.

Any deescalation that transfers land to Fulani herdsmen through the back door will only create more problems and further bloodshed, maybe on a larger scale if current fellers is any indicators.

Oh yeah, one more thing: If you haven't heard the president spared a thought or prayers for the families of victims of the herders-farmers crisis, that does not necessarily mean he hasn't done so. We should be careful about making generic conclusions based on our subjective experiences.
Read "President condemns "wicked" attacks by Fulani herdsmen in Benue"

Ah finally.

Broken clock is right at least twice a day. Let's see him do this more often with the same alacrity he uses when defending killer herdsman.

FG shouldn't give preference to any group.

Unfortunately, that is what President buhari, a well known bigot, is doing!

AgentOfAllah:
You didn't make it clear if you're advocating for war, but you certainly made it clear that you're sympathetic towards one breaking out. I suspect because the scale of destruction that takes place during wars is very very abstract to you.

Your argument, on its own merit though, is rather nonsensical. It is this in summary: There is a crisis, therefore escalate the crises. Can you give examples of where this type of belligerent thinking ever worked? I have a radical idea: What about trying to deescalate said crisis?

Anyway, no matter. If you're bent on your war, I just hope you'll be on the frontlines, commandeering your battalion to easy victory when that war you're eager for starts.

Gibberish!
The article is actually against war. You’re the ones constantly advocating wars, and executing it with the hope that it will scare the locals and they will agree to your wish to cede their lands to you.

AgentOfAllah:


I thought we were discussing the specific policies of RUGA and LTP here? It seems your whole claim about RUGA and LTP being attempts by FG to seize lands isn't based on anything specific regarding the policies and their implementations, but based on your deep rooted suspicion of the Fulani ethnicity. With respect, having this conversation based on your subjective suspicions veers off too uncomfortably into the unfalsifiable realm of conspiracy theories. I am not so competent or willing to dabble into that because I don't deal in speculations.

When you can show me specific properties about the RUGA or LTP policies that confirm this land seizing claim of yours, I will be open to taking your objections more seriously.

Even a blind man knows when the market is empty.
I have given you enough anecdotal evidence of what the Fulani FG plan is, but you refuse to see. Perhaps you are Fulani yourself.

Suit yourself.

MetaPhysical:


We have a law which says its unlawful to possess unlicensed guns. Assault rifles in private ownership is completely banned. This crisis has many roots but the immediate and most pressing is lethal assault by fulani herdsmen.

So why are you calling for deescalation of an unlawful act? Shouldnt enforcement of law be the first criteria here?

Administration of criminal justice is important, but not quite as important as addressing the underlying social imbalances at the root of these conflicts. In Nigeria, we've been throwing armed robbers, kidnappers, yahoo boys and girls, and even violent ethnic agitators in jail since time immemorial, but has this done anything to address the occurrences of such social vices? No. If anything, criminality has drastically increased across the country. What does this tell you about the effectiveness of resorting to criminal justice administration as the sole remedy for social vices? There is an underlying reason we have an increasing number of people resorting to violent means like armed robbery, kidnapping and armed conflicts in pursuit of their goals, and that reason is desperation. Our society isn't doing enough to provide legitimate means for the plurality of us to freely pursue our goals. As such, those on the margins of society who have got nothing to lose, resort to violence as a means to bring their marginalisations to the fore, whether by able-bodied youth resorting to armed robbery, or jobless youths resorting to cattle rustling, or herdsmen resorting to the use of violence on farmers. It is this social inequity that should be addressed before looking to the criminal justice system for help.

That's why I am calling for deescalation. So that we can figure out what everyone wants and needs on the negotiating table, then work out a plan that works for everyone, and where everyone benefits from. If after this, anybody resorts to violence, criminal justice can then be used as a tool to manage the insignificant minority to whom violence is an end unto itself.

OdumegwuOjukwu:


It is a known fact that task forces has been cited severally tackling Cattle Rustlers, I haven't heard of any checking the activities of herdsmen who invade farms. That should show you where the affinity of the President lies.

Read the article I shared again. It is explicitly stated that arrests were made.

Grazing route = Grazing Reserve = Cattle Colonies = Government Sponsored Ranching = LTP = Ruga = 'Stealing' native land for Fulani = Populating Nigeria with fulanis for insidious purpose.

Only the 'uninitiate' or perhaps the Marine will believe otherwise!

Like I said, I am not going to engage your conspiracy theories

It was insensitive putting animal before man. Exactly what the president have been doing. I'm glad you realize the mistake. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about killing animal for the benefit of man and gods. Their fate is sealed. Perhaps we could do it humanely at best. And by animal, I include fish, and chicken as I don't favour red meat.

I don't agree that bringing animal cruelty into the picture is insensitive. Left to me, that's where we should be taking the conversation too. Animals too are conscious beings and have a right to life just as much as we do. Nevertheless, since this is meant to be a conversation on RUGA and LTP, I am willing to forego this aspect of the conversation.

Any deescalation that transfers land to Fulani herdsmen through the back door will only create more problems and further bloodshed, maybe on a larger scale if current fellers is any indicators.

It's in no one's interest to see any backdoor deals being made. Which is why we should encourage the FG, NEC, NGF, livestock breeders and farmers to go to the negotiating table and iron out the modalities of the LTP so that it benefits all stakeholders.

Ah finally.

Broken clock is right at least twice a day. Let's see him do this more often with the same alacrity he uses when defending killer herdsman.

**Sigh**

rosebowl01:


Gibberish!
The article is actually against war. You’re the ones constantly advocating wars, and executing it with the hope that it will scare the locals and they will agree to your wish to cede their lands to you.

Who are these "ones" you're referring to?

OdumegwuOjukwu:



Even a blind man knows when the market is empty.
I have given you enough anecdotal evidence of what the Fulani FG plan is, but you refuse to see. Perhaps you are Fulani yourself.

Suit yourself.

"Anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoron when making arguments with inherent statistical properties; for example, using your experience with a few bad Fulanis to conclude that all Fulanis are bad. You're committing the same type of fallacy some white people make when they assume most Nigerians are bad people because they've had a few bad encounters with Nigerian mails.

P.S. I wonder if it matters whether I am Fulani or not.

AgentOfAllah:

"Anecdotal evidence" is an oxymoron when making arguments with inherent statistical properties; for example, using your experience with a few bad Fulanis to conclude that all Fulanis are bad. You're committing the same type of fallacy some white people make when they assume most Nigerians are bad people because they've had a few bad encounters with Nigerian mails.

P.S. I wonder if it matters whether I am Fulani or not.

Anectodal evidence or eye witness evidence of what herdsman / fulani have done/are doing is very important and counts. As a matter of fact such evidence is what is driving the current resistance, coupled with the untrustworthy nature of the current president. No sane person want Fulani herdsmen as neigbour in the south. We like the herdsman to stay in the north; a good fence makes good neighbour.

Whether you are proudly fulani or not changes nothing.

OdumegwuOjukwu:



Anectodal evidence or eye witness evidence of what herdsman / fulani have done/are doing is very important and counts. As a matter of fact such evidence is what is driving the current resistance, coupled with the untrustworthy nature of the current president.

Fair enough. Then you will have to concede that all Nigerians are criminals.

No sane person want Fulani herdsmen as neigbour in the south. We like the herdsman to stay in the north; a good fence makes good neighbour.

Speak for yourself.

Whether you are proudly fulani or not changes nothing.

I thought so too!

AgentOfAllah:

Fair enough. Then you will have to concede that all Nigerians are criminals.

Speak for yourself.


I thought so too!

Every Nigerian will answer for themselves as Fulani Herdsman are being ask to speak for themselves. Until then most people who deal with Nigerians do so with caution. Trust but verify as they say in security.

Do you blame them?

OdumegwuOjukwu:


Every Nigerian will answer for themselves as Fulani Herdsman are being ask to speak for themselves. Until then most people who deal with Nigerians do so it with caution. Trust but verify as they say in security.

Do you blame them?

Do you not see that by already assuming the worst of Fulani herdsmen as a group, you are invariably denying them the voice to speak for themselves? How can you, on the one hand, claim they are dangerous people, then on the other, expect them to answer for themselves? You've already made your conclusions and constricted yourself to view whatever they say or do with suspicion. What difference would it then make for them to "answer for themselves"? Give that a thought!!!

AgentOfAllah:

Do you not see that by already assuming the worst of Fulani herdsmen as a group, you are invariably denying them the voice to speak for themselves? How can you, on the one hand, claim they are dangerous people, then on the other, expect them to answer for themselves? You've already made your conclusions and constricted yourself to view whatever they say or do with suspicion. What difference would it then make for them to "answer for themselves"? Give that a thought!!!

Quit been disingenuous; I am immuned to taqiyya.

You asked if every Nigeria is criminal, I replied that that's a question every Nigerian should answer. And every Fulani Herdsman should also speak for themselves.

How you drew up your inane conclusion that I am denying them the chance to speak for themselves is beyond believe.

I'm sure you're going to give it another try.

OdumegwuOjukwu:


Quit been disingenuous; I am immuned to taqiyya.

You asked if every Nigeria is criminal, I replied that that's a question every Nigerian should answer. And every Fulani Herdsman should also speak for themselves.

How you drew up your inane conclusion that I am denying them the chance to speak for themselves is beyond believe.

I'm sure you're going to give it another try.

No, I won't give it another try. Your immunity to 'taqiyya' has completely disarmed me. You win!!!

In an "unrelated" note, I am sure the irony of this whole situation escapes you, but because I am nice, I will point it out as follows.

1) You've probably assumed I am Muslim
2) You also assume that lying to 'infidels' (or otherwise taqiyya) is one of the core tenets of my belief system.
3) As a result, rather than engage with the substance of my arguments, you have denied me the validity of my answers by tagging them with 'taqiyya' (ill intent, that is to say).

This is exactly the type inconsistency your brand of sociology leads to. Anyway, 'taqiyya'...so you've won. Hurrah!!!

AgentOfAllah:


No, I won't give it another try. Your immunity to 'taqiyya' has completely disarmed me. You win!!!

In an "unrelated" note, I am sure the irony of this whole situation escapes you, but because I am nice, I will point it out as follows.

1) You've probably assumed I am Muslim
2) You also assume that lying to 'infidels' (or otherwise taqiyya) is one of the core tenets of my belief system.
3) As a result, rather than engage with the substance of my arguments, you have denied me the validity of my answers by tagging them with 'taqiyya' (ill intent, that is to say).

This is exactly the type inconsistency your brand of sociology leads to. Anyway, 'taqiyya'...so you've won. Hurrah!!!

So you realized I am immuned to your taqiyya, then you now proceed on a long winding 'unrelated' attempt to use same taqiyya against me.

How exactly do you think it was going to end? That you will be a second time lucky with your attempt at taqiyya?

Like I said, you need another try!

What I've written is part of surest ways out of fulani insidious agenda unless we want to go the part of the Hausa. As you can see, they can't argue objectively.