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Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by XMan123: 10:20am On Jul 29, 2019
grin does sliverbird has branches overseas undecided
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Edyice: 10:20am On Jul 29, 2019
This is 21 century . Transformation will take place whether we like it or not . Oil-well owners will eventually drink their crude in few years time grin grin cheesy cheesy
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 10:25am On Jul 29, 2019
kYjelly2:
I will keep playing my roll in urging Nigerians to be wise and calling out their foolishness, amongst other things.

I didn’t claim to “know book” more than the next man, but damn it, must Nigerians be so void of critical thinking?

They support the worst leaders, shun great ideas and are allergic to positive change.

It takes just about 600watts on the low end to charge an electric car, a load that can be present while your gen is on, or be placed on solar panels. It can be charged at work, or at home or anywhere with a socket and is more efficient than I.C.E cars by several magnitudes.

However look at all the responses, not even one person can embrace a future idea, it’s just sad.
Oga, stop this your ideology abeg. shocked Where are the charging ports in Naija to charge such cars, even if we assume that electricity is readily available? undecided

What about the expertise of our local mechanics and rewires to maintain them? And when the batteries reach end of life, how do we dispose of them safely, securely and effectively?

The 600 watts you mentioned, how far can an electric car run on that one single charge? Or you think people will buy a generator and fuel it, only to allow a stranger to come and charge his car for a couple of hours, for free? If anyone decides to levy a commercial fee for charging an electric car, do you know how much it would cost?

In fact, with the cost of fuel and gensets, the cost to charge an electric car commercially is likely to be higher than the cost of fuelling the car with petrol, in Nigeria. Do the math. sad
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Monaco2(m): 10:28am On Jul 29, 2019
decatalyst:
And we don't even have electricity fixed first.


Putting the cart before the horse. cheesy

Nigeria trying to hug sense, sense be like...


More like sense trying to hug Nigeria, Nigeria be like grin
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 10:29am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

Stop telling lies. How are electric cars easier to make in Nigeria? shocked Are all the components for manufacturing it locally, readily available? Even to get the battery alone or replace it, will be a big problem. undecided

Ordinary batteries for hybrid cars already cost an arm and a leg, down here. And you are now talking about electric cars, that our mechanics and rewires do not have the expertise to maintain. Abeg, swerve.... angry
pls dnt argue wt m i have done d study
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 10:30am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
pls dnt argue wt m i have done d study
Your study is highly flawed! Stop making illogical claims....
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by shiwex: 10:36am On Jul 29, 2019
Been Bruce has a problem.......he is trying to be relevant. I beg who knows/has the details of the agreement between Naija and Siemens that was recently signed regarding power production I believe the Germans might be able to resolve our Power issue..somewhat disgraceful that we cant do this on our own but at this stage i believe anything that will help will be acceptable to Nigerians. Kenya just launched Africa's largest Windfarm and we in Naija are fighting over cows.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/20/africa/africas-largest-wind-farm-intl/index.html
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by nerorex01: 10:38am On Jul 29, 2019
This is a welcome development but ...

Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 10:39am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

Your study is highly flawed! Stop making illogical claims....
innoson alredy has car body. Wt is required nxt is is a dc motor, controller, charger, battery and potentiometer. If u need more details inbox m. Wt u dnt knw is bigger than than u
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by banty: 10:47am On Jul 29, 2019
An infant that wants to start running on his two leg will only achieve that through imaginations, what are the infrastructure set in place to aid the electric cars? This man need a doctor.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 10:50am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
innoson alredy has car body. Wt is required nxt is is a dc motor, controller, charger, battery and potentiometer. If u need more details inbox m. Wt u dnt knw is bigger than than u
You are the greatest joker of the century. Innoson Motors only assembles vehicles. He does not manufacture anything. How many windshields has he manufactured? How many body panels has he fabricated from scratch? Please go to the dictionary and check out the meaning of manufacturing...
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Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Platony(m): 10:58am On Jul 29, 2019
decatalyst:
And we don't even have electricity fixed first.


Putting the cart before the horse. cheesy

Nigeria trying to hug sense, sense be like...

grin grin grin grin
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by kYjelly2: 11:01am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

Oga, stop this your ideology abeg. shocked Where are the charging ports in Naija to charge such cars, even if we assume that electricity is readily available? undecided

What about the expertise of our local mechanics and rewires to maintain them? And when the batteries reach end of life, how do we dispose of them safely, securely and effectively?

The 600 watts you mentioned, how far can an electric car run on that one single charge? Or you think people will buy a generator and fuel it, only to allow a stranger to come and charge his car for a couple of hours, for free? If anyone decides to levy a commercial fee for charging an electric car, do you know how much it would cost?

In fact, with the cost of fuel and gensets, the cost to charge an electric car commercially is likely to be higher than the cost of fuelling the car with petrol, in Nigeria. Do the math. sad

The charging stations will spring up when the need arises, developed by smart entrepreneurs who jump in to fill that need. Obviously stations may not spring up for the few electric cars owned by early adopters, but that's what early adopters do, they pave the way for the masses.

Same deal with the expertise, although with EVs, you hardly need mechanics, since there is no oil to change, no spark plugs to change, no engine misfires and cylinder compression to diagnose, no head gaskets to change, no catalytic converters, no oxygen sensors, exhaust manifolds and so on. Instead you have reliable DC and induction motors that spin almost forever and super simple 1 or 2 speed transmissions.

As for efficiency, something like the Hyundai Ioniq gets about 4.5miles/kwh or 7.2km/kwh. So it takes about 142 watt-hours to add 1km worth of range to the vehicle which is extremely efficient.

I believe a lot of households in Nigeria own gensets that are rated for 5kw and above. So adding a 1kw load would be akin to adding an iron to the gen or a small ac, which many already do, while still powering their tvs, lights, fans, computers and other electronic devices. For the early adopters, using a solar array would be even more viable as these early adopters are likely to be in the middle-class of society or the rich-class of society.

As for disposals of batteries and end of life, that shouldn't be a big deal as there is already an extensive network in Nigeria for disposing lead acid batteries, just ask anyone who has ever sold dead inverter batteries, or car batteries. The network for disposal of lithium chemistries would also be similar to that of lead acids. Besides, these batteries are rated for 10+ years and replacing them with a new of fairly used pack is not that difficult for trained engineers to accomplish.

Below is a graphic highlighting yearly fuel costs of Electric Vehicles, Hybrids and Petrol Vehicles.

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Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 11:06am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

You are the greatest joker of the century. Innoson Motors only assembles vehicles. He does not manufacture anything. How many windshields has he manufactured? How many body panels has he fabricated from scratch? Please go to the dictionary and check out the meaning of manufacturing...
haha. Poor u. So u thnk wen tesla say der manufacture it simply means der dug out raw materials n produce al d parts from their backyard. Then u r d biggest joker
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Breezy90(m): 11:06am On Jul 29, 2019
Anything just to be news worthy,Mr Bruce, we don’t have the required infrastructure go service those electric vehicle.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:08am On Jul 29, 2019
kYjelly2:


The charging stations will spring up when the need arises, developed by smart entrepreneurs who jump in to fill that need. Obviously stations may not spring up for the few electric cars owned by early adopters, but that's what early adopters do, they pave the way for the masses.

Same deal with the expertise, although with EVs, you hardly need mechanics, since there is no oil to change, no spark plugs to change, no engine misfires and cylinder compression to diagnose, no head gaskets to change, no catalytic converters, no oxygen sensors, exhaust manifolds and so on. Instead you have reliable DC and induction motors that spin almost forever and super simple 1 or 2 speed transmissions.

As for efficiency, something like the Hyundai Ioniq gets about 4.5miles/kwh or 7.2km/kwh. So it takes about 142 watt-hours to add 1km worth of range to the vehicle which is extremely efficient.

I believe a lot of households in Nigeria own gensets that are rated for 5kw and above. So adding a 1kwh load would be akin to adding an iron to the gen or a small ac, which many already do, while still powering their tvs, lights, fans, computers and other electronic devices. For the early adopters, using a solar array would be even more viable as these early adopters are likely to be in the middle-class of society or the rich-class of society.

As for disposals of batteries and end of life, that shouldn't be a big deal as there is already an extensive network in Nigeria for disposing lead acid batteries, just ask anyone who has ever sold dead inverter batteries, or car batteries. The network for disposal of lithium chemistries would also be similar to that of lead acids. Besides, these batteries are rated for 10+ years and replacing them with a new of fairly used pack is not that difficult for trained engineers to accomplish.


Oga, this your long epistle shows you are totally dissociated from the reality on ground in Nigeria. Who told you that batteries are disposed of safely in Nigeria? They are not. shocked They are a major source of pollution in our environment.

Hybrid cars that use both fuel and batteries have been imported into Nigeria in the last 10 years, but guess what? The expertise to maintain and repair them is still almost non-existent. Most owners of hybrid cars have tales of woe to tell, when it comes to maintenance. And after a few years, they just abandon it when the wahala becomes too much! undecided

As for saying that 5kw generators are easy to get, you keep forgetting there would be an increase in the quantity of of fossil fuel needed to power such generators, if they are to be used to charge electric cars. sad

Like I said earlier do the math. Someone already made it clear, that despite the huge number of charging ports in China, thousands of their cars still run on fossil fuels. undecided

As for the charging ports that will be needed to charge those cars, will you release the money to import and install them here? sad

Electric cars are not a priority for now. We should be thinking of fixing our infrastructure, healthcare, educational system and job provision status. Electric cars are an unnecessary luxury....
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Just2endowed2(m): 11:09am On Jul 29, 2019
uuzba:

There's a stage that rich people reach eh, if armed robber doesn't attack them, they will forget that masses are suffering poverty.

i actually told same statment to one of my relations. funny enough, our culture has thought us be greedy
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:14am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
haha. Poor u. So u thnk wen tesla say der manufacture it simply means der dug out raw materials n produce al d parts from their backyard. Then u r d biggest joker
Keep exposing your ignorance. I tried to correct you, but you are hell bent on showing everyone that you have nothing upstairs. Go and check the meaning of manufacturing in a dictionary, before you come back to reply this post.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by kYjelly2: 11:18am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:


Oga, this your long epistle shows you are totally dissociated from the reality on ground in Nigeria. Who told you that batteries are disposed of safely in Nigeria? They are not. shocked They are a major source of pollution in our environment.

Hybrid cars that use both fuel and batteries have been imported into Nigeria in the last 10 years, but guess what? The expertise to maintain and repair them is still almost non-existent. Most owners of hybrid cars have tales of woe to tell, when it comes to maintenance. And after a few years, they just abandon it when the wahala becomes too much! undecided

As for saying that 5kw generators are easy to get, you keep forgetting there would be an increase in the quantity of of fossil fuel needed to power such generators, if they are to be used to charge electric cars. sad

Like I said earlier do the math. Someone already made it clear, that despite the huge number of charging ports in China, thousands of their cars still run on fossil fuels. undecided

As for the charging ports that will be needed to charge those cars, will you release the money to import and install them here? sad

Electric cars are not a priority for now. We should be thinking of fixing our infrastructure, healthcare, educational system and job provision status. Electric cars are an unnecessary luxury....

lol, no one said it was a priority bruv!

Bruce only buying EVs for his company in no way impedes the government from tacking all you mentioned above. I believe these two issues are mutually exclusive.

Seriously though, don't be so pessimistic in regards to EVs, they are part of a future that is INEVITABLE!
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:24am On Jul 29, 2019
kYjelly2:
lol, no one said it was a priority bruv!

Bruce only buying EVs for his company in no way impedes the government from tacking all you mentioned above. I believe these two issues are mutually exclusive.

Seriously though, don't be so pessimistic in regards to EVs, they are part of a future that is INEVITABLE!

Ben Murray Bruce is just playing to the gallery with his statement. The same man who pays irregular salaries to his staff? The official vehicles in his company's fleet are less than 5 and are badly maintained. And they are all Tokunbo.

If Femi Otedola had said this, I would have taken it seriously because he has the clout and ability to deliver, when it comes to such things.

Buying EVs is an unnecessary distraction and a waste of scarce foreign exchange, that could be diverted to more important causes.

And if hybrid cars and natural gas/LPG fuelled cars are yet to gain traction in Nigeria, despite all the hype built round them, and the awareness that has been going on for over 10 years in Nigeria, is it EV cars that now wants to gain ground?

Abeg, let people focus on more important issues like healthcare, education, security challenges, infrastructure etc.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 11:27am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

Keep exposing your ignorance. I tried to correct you, but you are hell bent on showing everyone that you have nothing upstairs. Go and check the meaning of manufacturing in a dictionary, before you come back to reply this post.
dictionary meaning of manufacture n do wt wit it? Y nt deal wt my realistic meaning. Samsung, iphone etc. .so u wl cll em assemblers since der dnt manufacture al d parts em self. Ur dictionary meaning is d reason pple like u r draggin us back in technology
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:28am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
dictionary meaning of manufacture n do wt wit it? Y nt deal wt my realistic meaning. Samsung, iphone etc. .so u wl cll em assemblers since der dnt manufacture al d parts em self. Ur dictionary meaning is d reason pple like u r draggin us back in technology
Even the way you write, shows that you have nothing upstairs. It is obvious you got an 'F' in English language in school. Oya, for the last time provide the meaning of the word 'manufacturing' before you come back here to post another silly response like you just did.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by sammhi(m): 11:29am On Jul 29, 2019
This guy fall hand . He is from an oil producing state and so should be the last to promote this
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 11:35am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

Even the way you write, shows that you have nothing upstairs. It is obvious you got an 'F' in English language in school. Oya, for the last time provide the meaning of the word 'manufacturing' before you come back here to post another silly response like you just did.
oh i ve bn wastn time wt an arts student in a science topic. No wonder. Pls shift.
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:36am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
oh i ve bn wastn time wt an arts student in a science topic. No wonder. Pls shift.
You must be the mugu of the century. So science students are not expected to understand English language? Can you see how shallow you are?? shocked
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by freemi(m): 11:42am On Jul 29, 2019
laudate:

You must be the mugu of the century. So science students are not expected to understand English language? Can you see how shallow you are?? shocked
u cnt undastnd or write mo than m. Even tho der cnbine ur type 5. I ve given u instances. .nw boldly tel m samsung n iphone r nt phone manufacturers n i wil apologise to u
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by ameh99: 11:42am On Jul 29, 2019
He may have a point but we need to first invest in electricity...


Ev are far cheaper to manufacture than petrol vehicle..especially convention ...


Am working on somthing similar as well
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Nicerazor(m): 11:46am On Jul 29, 2019
How do you know he doesn’t pay staff salaries regularly? Don’t say what you don’t know just to gather likes . All I know is baba too de make mouth.
laudate:

This same guy that does not pay staff salaries, regularly??
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:47am On Jul 29, 2019
Nicerazor:
How do you know he doesn’t pay staff salaries regularly? Don’t say what you don’t know just to gather likes . All I know is baba too de make mouth.
I have friends and neighbours who work with him. I have also down business with his media group in the past. Doest answer your question??
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by laudate: 11:48am On Jul 29, 2019
freemi:
u cnt undastnd or write mo than m. Even tho der cnbine ur type 5. I ve given u instances. .nw boldly tel m samsung n iphone r nt phone manufacturers n i wil apologise to u
Didn't I say you flunked English language in school? You just proved me right with the gibberish you typed up here....
Re: Ben Murray-bruce Announces That Silverbird Group Will Only Finance Electric Cars by Nicerazor(m): 11:51am On Jul 29, 2019
Lol I worked with Silverbird cinemas for 4 years and I was the assistant business manager for festac branch before putting pen to paper and salaries were paid regularly sir.
laudate:

I have friends and neighbours who work with him. I have also down business with his media group in the past. Doest answer your question??

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