₦airaland Forum

abbey621:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Take away guns and people in the U.S would still find something else to use. The amount of people abusing medication is over 70% of the population. An average American kid takes about 3 to 4 different pills per day, mental illness plus a spoiled culture is responsible for American gun violence. Take away guns and pass all the laws you want, criminals will be criminals.

This particular shooting took less than a minute. 9 people died, 26 were injured. Only one shooter. Which "something else" can kill and injure people like this?

ednut1:
consultants no dey stay village. Na VI lagos we gat dey. With una airport littered with igbenedion condemned planes . Enjoy ya village biko

VI for nairaland? Hahahahahaha. You’re indeed childish.

crisycent:
I don’t see how taking away guns from people makes the society less safe. When you can walk into a gun store and purchase any type of gun you desire with little or no background checks; that’s a big problem. I guess people who don’t see beyond their noses are wiser....by the way you guys that see beyond your noses don’t also put into consideration the effect of the drug problem in the US. A man who is relapsing will do anything including killing innocent people to get a high.

Tell that to the masses of people that were killed like mosquitoes in Benue, Plateau and Borno etc. People who died horrible deaths at the hands of their attackers just because they were unarmed. The American constitution is very clear about the rights to gun ownership. Do you think their founding fathers were stupid to have included it in their constitution? You have never lived under barbaric oppressive regimes or encountered wicked militias that raid cities and kill thousands. That's why you think the way you do. They experienced it, they know what oppression and mass murders is, they lived it firsthand, they suffered horrible massacres in the hands of the British before gaining independence. They know freedom doesn't depend on the army alone, freedom depends on the ability of the citizens to defend themselves against any external oppressor, even if the oppressor is their own government. So they created a constitution that allows for the greatest and powerful militia in their country to be the citizens militia themselves. Do you think people like Boko Haram can have a field day raiding American villages from place to place? Even before the FBI, or Navy Seals or Marines, or National Guards or special forces or local enforcement police show up, the villagers have enough arms to protect themselves and hold their grounds. Some might die but so also will their attackers. The people that wrote the American constitution were social geniuses, not like the jokers that wrote our own.

crisycent:
VI for nairaland? Hahahahahaha. You’re indeed childish.

no wonder u have remained in a village. See zero iq.i meant Consultant na vi( Victoria island lagos office gat dey). Kai . Edo village boy

crisycent:
Congrats Trump. This is what your divisive and racist comments have brought upon people. Anyway we have our own here, make I face the imbecïle wen dey ask rock

Shut up. There has been mass shooting for many years. This is what happens when you watch too much CNN. Brainwashed.

Sprumbaba:
Shut up. There has been mass shooting for many years. This is what happens when you watch too much CNN. Brainwashed.

Intelligent fool that watches Fox News, has there ever been 2 mass shootings within 24hours in the US? See how foolish and childish you sound now?

Sprumbaba:
Shut up. There has been mass shooting for many years. This is what happens when you watch too much CNN. Brainwashed.

Intelligent fool that watches Fox News, has there ever been 2 mass shootings within 24hours in the US? See how foolish and childish you sound now? No be your fault, since you could finally afford Gotv and 100mb, you are now able to talk trash online.

MobilityExpress:
Tell that to the masses of people that were killed like mosquitoes in Benue, Plateau and Borno etc. People who died horrible deaths at the hands of their attackers just because they were unarmed. The American constitution is very clear about the rights to gun ownership. Do you think their founding fathers were stupid to have included it in their constitution? You have never lived under barbaric oppressive regimes or encountered wicked militias that raid cities and kill thousands. That's why you think the way you do. They experienced it, they know what oppression and mass murders is, they lived it firsthand, they suffered horrible massacres in the hands of the British before gaining independence. They know freedom doesn't depend on the army alone, freedom depends on the ability of the citizens to defend themselves against any external oppressor, even if the oppressor is their own government. So they created a constitution that allows for the greatest and powerful militia in their country to be the citizens militia themselves. Do you think people like Boko Haram can have a field day raiding American villages from place to place? Even before the FBI, or Navy Seals or Marines, or National Guards or special forces or local enforcement police show up, the villagers have enough arms to protect themselves and hold their grounds. Some might die but so also will their attackers. The people that wrote the American constitution were social geniuses, not like the jokers that wrote our own.

You have a valid point. However, let’s not forget that there are two sides to a coin. This same constitution that guarantees freedom to bear firearms is also responsible for the unnecessary deaths associated with mass shootings.

ednut1:
no wonder u have remained in a village. See zero iq.i meant Consultant na vi( Victoria island lagos office gat dey). Kai . Edo village boy

Stop making a fool out of yourself. Why are you explaining yourself?

crisycent:
Intelligent fool that watches Fox News, has there ever been 2 mass shootings within 24hours in the US? See how foolish and childish you sound now? No be your fault, since you could finally afford Gotv and 100mb, you are now able to talk trash online.

I sound like your father.

crisycent:
Stop making a fool out of yourself. Why are you explaining yourself?

bye. Mr trump hater. Better than they black obama who wanted to shove gay down our throat in africa and also killed ghaddafi. Trump is a real G. Says it as it is. Not those who say it behind. America first

abbey621:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Take away guns and people in the U.S would still find something else to use. The amount of people abusing medication is over 70% of the population. An average American kid takes about 3 to 4 different pills per day, mental illness plus a spoiled culture is responsible for American gun violence. Take away guns and pass all the laws you want, criminals will be criminals.

Thanks for the explanation.

afroniger:
If na Naija some will be quick to blame Buhari. Let's see if they will apply the same standard to Trump.

Will Donald Trump be consistent enough to attack the American government and indict it for the recurring tragedy of gun violence the way he attacked Baltimore some days back?

Shithole America.

....

Sellfish:
Hmmm

God's own Country indeed.... Imagine running away from Fulani Herdsmen in this shithole to Amelika only to get wasted by some crazy dumb fvck

Lack of gun control in USA is their own form of terrorism. But still, you can't take guns away from an average American, the protests will be massive. So, they have to live with the consequences

abbey621:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Take away guns and people in the U.S would still find something else to use. The amount of people abusing medication is over 70% of the population. An average American kid takes about 3 to 4 different pills per day, mental illness plus a spoiled culture is responsible for American gun violence. Take away guns and pass all the laws you want, criminals will be criminals.

All these that you mentioned plus an automatic gun at hand is a sure mass killings. I'm even surprised that you didn't see the connection. Control the guns, frequent mass killings will reduce drastically. You can't just downplay the effects of lack of gun control like that.

MobilityExpress:
Tell that to the masses of people that were killed like mosquitoes in Benue, Plateau and Borno etc. People who died horrible deaths at the hands of their attackers just because they were unarmed. The American constitution is very clear about the rights to gun ownership. Do you think their founding fathers were stupid to have included it in their constitution? You have never lived under barbaric oppressive regimes or encountered wicked militias that raid cities and kill thousands. That's why you think the way you do. They experienced it, they know what oppression and mass murders is, they lived it firsthand, they suffered horrible massacres in the hands of the British before gaining independence. They know freedom doesn't depend on the army alone, freedom depends on the ability of the citizens to defend themselves against any external oppressor, even if the oppressor is their own government. So they created a constitution that allows for the greatest and powerful militia in their country to be the citizens militia themselves. Do you think people like Boko Haram can have a field day raiding American villages from place to place? Even before the FBI, or Navy Seals or Marines, or National Guards or special forces or local enforcement police show up, the villagers have enough arms to protect themselves and hold their grounds. Some might die but so also will their attackers. The people that wrote the American constitution were social geniuses, not like the jokers that wrote our own.

Well, you have a point. Bottom line is that every policy has both advantages and disadvantages.

afroniger:
If na Naija some will be quick to blame Buhari. Let's see if they will apply the same standard to Trump.

Will Donald Trump be consistent enough to attack the American government and indict it for the recurring tragedy of gun violence the way he attacked Baltimore some days back?

Shithole America.

PDP won't blame Trump

maasoap:
All these that you mentioned plus an automatic gun at hand is a sure mass killings. I'm even surprised that you didn't see the connection. Control the guns, frequent mass killings will reduce drastically. You can't just downplay the effects of lack of gun control like that.

Do you think menally unstable people care about laws? More than 70% of deaths by guns happens through backdoor or illegal sales.

Funaki:
This particular shooting took less than a minute. 9 people died, 26 were injured. Only one shooter. Which "something else" can kill and injure people like this?

Can you tell me a law that could have prevented that? You might say ban all guns but do you think criminals care about laws?

crisycent:
Congrats Trump. This is what your divisive and racist comments have brought upon people. Anyway we have our own here, make I face the imbecïle wen dey ask rock

There was a whopping 24 mass shootings during Obama's 8 years tenure.

Orlando nightclub massacre (2016 - 49 dead) San Bernardino mass shooting (2015 - 14 dead) Charleston Church Shooting (2015 - 9 dead) Marysville-Pilchuck High School shooting (2014 - 5 dead) Washington Navy Yard shooting (2013 - 12 dead) Sandy Hook Elementary massacre (2012 - 27 dead) Seal Beach shooting (2011 - 8 dead) Hartford Beer Distributor shooting (2010 - 9 dead) Fort Hood massacre (2009 - 5 dead) etc., etc.

gaby:
Free Visa or US kpali to go live permanent for the US?

No, thank you don't mention.

American herdsmen no dey miss target at all...

The day wey Fulani herdsmen go sabi shoot like their American counterparts na to pack kaya enter Maiduguri be dat.

Nigerian Government should be issuing travel warnings to these mass and drive-by shooting arenas.

Tit for tat in a very cynical manner

guy issue me travel warning.and visa and as see wheda I nor go do Hussein Bo LL LLT enter there ..
abeg forget dat thing naija na shit holeee

abbey621:
Can you tell me a law that could have prevented that? You might say ban all guns but do you think criminals care about laws?

Stricter gun laws will reduce mass shootings. The two mass shootings that happened today were by lone gunmen, they probably don't belong to any organized crime gang. If guns weren't readily available and accessible, they might not have killed that much number of people. What's an unstable person doing with semi automatic rifle? Is it only US that have unstable people? Even in Nigeria, before you can get a gun, you either be a member (or close affliate) of a cult group or a criminal association, but in the US, you can easily get a gun at gun shows without any background check.

I would like to see what the hypocritical people who will condemn Buhari for his divisive utterances and body actions but are cheering Trump for same would like to say about the white supremacists killing people because they think they are lesser citizens

Funaki:
Stricter gun laws will reduce mass shootings. The two mass shootings that happened today were by lone gunmen, they probably don't belong to any organized crime gang. If guns weren't readily available and accessible, they might not have killed that much number of people. What's an unstable person doing with semi automatic rifle? Is it only US that have unstable people? Even in Nigeria, before you can get a gun, you either be a member (or close affliate) of a cult group or a criminal association, but in the US, you can easily get a gun at gun shows without any background check.

You're partially correct. Gun shows are expected to do their own background checks, although it is not as comprehensive as federal ones but they can get in trouble for selling a gun to a maniac. Furthermore more than 70% of mass shootings in the U.S occurred by those who would pass federal background checks very easily. The check is done when you purchase the gun or when your parents purchase the gun and it is never ever done again. So tell me what stops a teenager or a 20 something year old from picking up the guns of his or her parents? Remember the parent that owns the gun successfully passed federal background checks Can you see now why the problem of mass shootings is not that of the law but of American culture? The newer generations are weak and any little thing they are ready to end it all, if you propose to ban all guns then tell me when a criminal confronts you at home with a gun, how do you defend yourself? 80% of home robberies in Nigeria could be resolved easily if the occupants had guns at home.

naptu2:
The USA is not the size of Africa. Africa is larger than the entire North American continent (i.e. the USA, Canada, Mexico and Central America combined). In fact, Africa is the second largest continent in the world!

Is it bigger than west Africa?

juzor:
There was a whopping 24 mass shootings during Obama's 8 years tenure.

Orlando nightclub massacre (2016 - 49 dead) San Bernardino mass shooting (2015 - 14 dead) Charleston Church Shooting (2015 - 9 dead) Marysville-Pilchuck High School shooting (2014 - 5 dead) Washington Navy Yard shooting (2013 - 12 dead) Sandy Hook Elementary massacre (2012 - 27 dead) Seal Beach shooting (2011 - 8 dead) Hartford Beer Distributor shooting (2010 - 9 dead) Fort Hood massacre (2009 - 5 dead) etc., etc.

Trump can also serve for 2 terms and with his racist attitude, expect more!

So the advanced technology and CCTV can't stop crime. Mad people everywhere on earth

abbey621:
You're partially correct. Gun shows are expected to do their own background checks, although it is not as comprehensive as federal ones but they can get in trouble for selling a gun to a maniac. Furthermore more than 70% of mass shootings in the U.S occurred by those who would pass federal background checks very easily. The check is done when you purchase the gun or when your parents purchase the gun and it is never ever done again. So tell me what stops a teenager or a 20 something year old from picking up the guns of his or her parents? Remember the parent that owns the gun successfully passed federal background checks Can you see now why the problem of mass shootings is not that of the law but of American culture? The newer generations are weak and any little thing they are ready to end it all, if you propose to ban all guns then tell me when a criminal confronts you at home with a gun, how do you defend yourself? 80% of home robberies in Nigeria could be resolved easily if the occupants had guns at home.

Why do you say it as if only post-millenial babies commit mass shooting? The Las Vegas shooter was 64 years old, the Orlando shooter was 30 years old. Those are the deadliest mass shootings in US history.

Also, most mass shooters bought their guns themselves. The Virginia Tech guy got the guns himself, the Florida school shooter bought the gun himself. These guys were mentally unstable and the could easily access semi automatic rifles. They didn't steal their parents gun, they bought it themselves. It was after these incidence that some guns laws were enacted by George Bush in 2008 and The age of owning a gun was increased to 21 in 2018. By your logic, these regulations shouldn't have been enacted, everyone, whether sane or not should be able to carry rifles.

And your last assumption is laughable. You want to give people guns in Nigeria because of home breaking? Are homes and banks with security in Nigeria not rubbed? Giving Nigerians guns will worsen violence with the high number of unstable people in clothes.

Funaki:
Why do you say it as if only post-millenial babies commit mass shooting? The Las Vegas shooter was 64 years old, the Orlando shooter was 30 years old. Those are the deadliest mass shootings in US history.

Also, most mass shooters bought their guns themselves. The Virginia Tech guy got the guns himself, the Florida school shooter bought the gun himself. These guys were mentally unstable and the could easily access semi automatic rifles. They didn't steal their parents gun, they bought it themselves. It was after these incidence that some guns laws were enacted by George Bush in 2008 and The age of owning a gun was increased to 21 in 2018. By your logic, these regulations shouldn't have been enacted, everyone, whether sane or not should be able to carry rifles.

And your last assumption is laughable. You want to give people guns in Nigeria because of home breaking? Are homes and banks with security in Nigeria not rubbed? Giving Nigerians guns will worsen violence with the high number of unstable people in clothes.

I guess you need to define the term mass shootings. I've always understood it to be any shootings where three or more people are killed in a single incidence. If this is the right definition and not just what you see on CNN then since 1980 we've had most cases of mass shootings as a result of a negligent parent, family member or friend. Yes, your examples are correct but they only represent a tiny fraction of gun violence in the U.S. Even if you enact laws which curbs mass shootings as defined by you, it will not solve the situations I've identified. It will not solve gang violence in Chicago or other inner cities. It will not solve domestic violence related deaths by guns.

You mentioned that the situation in Nigeria would be a lot worse but I fail to see how? Kidnappings , rituals, robberies are already high. Insecurity is the order of the day. Come to my in-laws estate where almost everybody is military personnel with weapons at their disposal, there's never been a case of theft not to talk of armed robbery. I guess we can agree to disagree on that one

crisycent:
You have a valid point. However, let’s not forget that there are two sides to a coin. This same constitution that guarantees freedom to bear firearms is also responsible for the unnecessary deaths associated with mass shootings.

The constitution isn't responsible for the mass shootings, the criminals are. The constitution guarantees a citizen has a chance to save his life when confronted with such evil people. The truth is criminals will always have access to guns. Look at our country Nigeria, bearing guns is illegal, yet almost every criminal group in the country are armed to the teeth, from political thugs, to cultists, to thieves, to kidnappers, even herdsmen have guns. Did the Nigerian constitution stop them? So you see, taking away gun ownership rights legally only takes away guns from good people but the bad people will still always have guns. That's why the NRA is so strong in America, because they understand this truth. Drugs are illegal here, yet some people are still trafficking cocaine everyday in this country, did the law stop the criminals from being criminals? So the right to bear arms in America is not responsible for the mass shootings. Over 70% of the time when there has been a mass shootings, the evil shooter get shot by other good people who were armed, otherwise the killings would have been much more. There's a common saying among 2nd Amendment supporters in America, they say A GUN AT HAND IS BETTER THAN A COP ON THE PHONE. In other words, you stand a better chance to survive when a criminal with a gun tries to attack you if you are also armed with a gun, than calling 911 waiting for police to come and save you. Many times than not, the police will come and meet the dead body of an unarmed victim. Many of the mass shootings happening in America today are sponsored by the enemies of America that want to re-write their constitutional to take away their 2nd Amendment rights. But they keep failing. Their founding fathers were just too smart and understood the intricacies of what it took to sustain a free nation. They made it a 2nd Amendment right, 2nd Amendment. The 1st Amendment gives Freedom, the 2nd Amendment guarantees it. God bless America. Home of the Brave, Land of the Free.

This guy seems to be a far left Satanist. Really messed up, glad he is dead.