hakeem4:
read on natural selection. There are more evidence for natural selection than for creationism

Realbarc:


Why was Jesus case unique from the others?

Why do we have to explain evry case about Him?

His birth , life and death did not follow the natural laws.

Why would someone born 1000 years later , did not experience him come and tell us another Gospel.

Sorry , but I know there is more that meet the eyes that your explanation.

Thanks all the same

Gbemishile1:

Moses used part of the meat offerings to wake up a dead man to testify against his people who were worshipping idols
Every prophet was given a sign to convince their people to obey them in order to earn salvation.

Alkanoicacid:
Oh! Was the man alive during the time of Prophet Muhammad?

The way you believe the content of the book, if you're an intelligent person, please tell us why we should believe that everything the man wrote in the book is the truth.

Allsingles:


I think your profession is decieving you, that's if you are a scientist, if not then your Brian has been formatted and something need to be done urgently.
Remove God from your life and you will become lifeless.
Jesus Christ, the son of God is the only way.

Realbarc:


Huh,,?

Source.... Please.....

Moses never raised anyone from the dead

Gbemishile1:


Suratul Baqarah: Verses 63-74
(٦٣) وَإِذْ أَخَذْنَا مِيثَاقَكُمْ وَرَفَعْنَا فَوْقَكُمُ الطُّورَ خُذُواْ مَا آتَيْنَاكُم بِقُوَّةٍ وَاذْكُرُواْ مَا فِيهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
(٦٤) ثُمَّ تَوَلَّيْتُم مِّن بَعْدِ ذَلِكَ فَلَوْلاَ فَضْلُ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَتُهُ لَكُنتُم مِّنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
(٦٥) وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ الَّذِينَ اعْتَدَواْ مِنكُمْ فِي السَّبْتِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُواْ قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ
(٦٦) فَجَعَلْنَاهَا نَكَالاً لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهَا وَمَا خَلْفَهَا وَمَوْعِظَةً لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ
(٦٧) وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسَى لِقَوْمِهِ إِنَّ اللّهَ يَأْمُرُكُمْ أَنْ تَذْبَحُواْ بَقَرَةً قَالُواْ أَتَتَّخِذُنَا هُزُواً قَالَ أَعُوذُ بِاللّهِ أَنْ أَكُونَ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ
(٦٨) قَالُواْ ادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُبَيِّن لّنَا مَا هِيَ قَالَ إِنَّهُ يَقُولُ إِنَّهَا بَقَرَةٌ لاَّ فَارِضٌ وَلاَ بِكْرٌ عَوَانٌ بَيْنَ ذَلِكَ فَافْعَلُواْ مَا تُؤْمَرونَ
(٦٩) قَالُواْ ادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُبَيِّن لَّنَا مَا لَوْنُهَا قَالَ إِنَّهُ يَقُولُ إِنّهَا بَقَرَةٌ صَفْرَاء فَاقِـعٌ لَّوْنُهَا تَسُرُّ النَّاظِرِينَ
(٧٠) قَالُواْ ادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُبَيِّن لَّنَا مَا هِيَ إِنَّ البَقَرَ تَشَابَهَ عَلَيْنَا وَإِنَّآ إِن شَاء اللَّهُ لَمُهْتَدُونَ
(٧١) قَالَ إِنَّهُ يَقُولُ إِنَّهَا بَقَرَةٌ لاَّ ذَلُولٌ تُثِيرُ الأَرْضَ وَلاَ تَسْقِي الْحَرْثَ مُسَلَّمَةٌ لاَّ شِيَةَ فِيهَا قَالُواْ الآنَ جِئْتَ بِالْحَقِّ فَذَبَحُوهَا وَمَا كَادُواْ يَفْعَلُونَ
(٧٢) وَإِذْ قَتَلْتُمْ نَفْساً فَادَّارَأْتُمْ فِيهَا وَاللّهُ مُخْرِجٌ مَّا كُنتُمْ تَكْتُمُونَ
(٧٣) فَقُلْنَا اضْرِبُوهُ بِبَعْضِهَا كَذَلِكَ يُحْيِي اللّهُ الْمَوْتَى وَيُرِيكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ
(٧٤) ثُمَّ قَسَتْ قُلُوبُكُم مِّن بَعْدِ ذَلِكَ فَهِيَ كَالْحِجَارَةِ أَوْ أَشَدُّ قَسْوَةً وَإِنَّ مِنَ الْحِجَارَةِ لَمَا يَتَفَجَّرُ مِنْهُ الأَنْهَارُ وَإِنَّ مِنْهَا لَمَا يَشَّقَّقُ فَيَخْرُجُ مِنْهُ الْمَاء وَإِنَّ مِنْهَا لَمَا يَهْبِطُ مِنْ خَشْيَةِ اللّهِ وَمَا اللّهُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعْمَلُونَ
And when We took a promise from you and lifted the moun­tain over you ”: “Take hold of what We have given you with firmness and bear in mind what is in it, so that you may guard (against evil)” (63).

Then you turned back after that; so were it not for the grace of Allah and His mercy on you, you would certainly have been among the losers (64).

And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: “Be apes, despised and hated” (65).

So We made them an example to those who witnessed it and those who came after it, and an admonition to those who guard (against evil) (66).

And when Musa said to his people: “Surely Allah commands you that you should sacrifice a cow”; they said: “Do you ridicule us?” He said: “I seek the protection of Allah from being one of the ignorants” (67).

They said: “Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what she is”. Musa said: “He says, Surely she is a cow neither advanced in age nor too young, of middle age between that (and this); do there­fore what you are commanded ”(68).

They said: “Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what her colour is.” Musa said: “He says, surely she is a yellow cow; her colour is intensely yellow, giving delight to the beholders” (69).

They said: “Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what she is, for surely to us the cows are all alike, and if Allah please we shall surely be guided aright” (70).

Musa said: “He says, Surely she is a cow not made submissive that she should plough the land, nor does she irrigate the tilth, sound, without a blemish in her.” The said: `Now you have brought the truth;” so they sacrificed her, though they had not the mind to do (it) (71).

And when you killed a man, then you disagreed with respect to that, and Allah was to bring forth that which you were going to hide (72).

So, We said: “Strike the (dead body) with part of the (sacrificed cow)”, thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand (73).

Then your hearts hardened after that, so that they were like rocks, rather worse in hardness; and surely there are some rocks from which streams burst forth, and surely there are some of them which split asunder so water issues out of them, and surely there are some of them which fall down for fear of Allah, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do (74) .

Realbarc:


Sincerely, this is hilarious and really painful to read.


Your tale by moonlight is incoherent as we still await the miraculous raising of the dead .

Moses wrote the first book of the Bible and he never mentioned any raising of the dead by a meat!!!!

And you want me to believe that the Koran written and complied more than a century later contain the this piece of trash!!!!!

The Koran advised you to consult the people of the book when in doubt.

I think you will do well to listen to that advice.

Secondly, the Muslim don't know anything about the Jew and Thier traditions. Moses was a Jew and I will rather you point to The Torah and injil to prove your case rather than Arabic heresay and myth .

hakeem4:
well I understand where you’re coming from. Evolution is a fact the same way gravity is a fact. Well god has been out of my life for the past 10 years.

Mike4TheMoney:


Are you hakeem12?

Hakeem12:
I'm Hakeem12, just same moniker, not him.

Mike4TheMoney:


What’s your WhatsApp number again?

I lost it and yeah ,I’m elder001

Gbemishile1:

I don't want to trade word
Which book was given to Jesus-old testament? New testament? King James?
Which tribe was he sent to preach to?
Are you guys following that book?
Abeg argue intelligently
Na beg I beg

Mike4TheMoney:


Are you hakeem12?

Realbarc:


This is getting silly.

I know the Torah consisting mainly of old testament and injil mainly new testament were handed to us.

NO BOOK WAS GIVEN TO JESUS AS HE IS THE WORD ACCORDING TO YOUR QURAN.

Jesus said "a

Hebrews 10:5-7: ... Then said I, Lo, I come in (the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Jesus is the fulfilment of the law
Matthew 5:17
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them

Which book was given to your prophet Mohammed?.NONE!!!

The Koran was complied after mohammed death.
Some verses were aboragated and lost . Some of the verses were eaten by a tame. sheep . Don't let go into the sheep conspiracy

Go to YouTube and Google David woods or Jay Smith on this.

No offenc ment
You have argued blindly and incoherently.

I beg go and get your scholar as I seem to be discussing with a learner. Better yet study about Christianity .
Compare with an open mind..
Ask the creator of heaven and earth, the Lord over mankind and spirit to reveal himself to you and not man including me and your scholars says ,

Until a superior arguement is placed.. I don't think I can discuss with you further. No offence.

Gbemishile1:

I already know what I want to know about Christianity
Jesus never made mention of the religion of Christianity in the Bible
The history of the Bible dates back to the period if Paul who crucified hesus while he was alive.it really amazes me that he was ordained to write a piece of the Bible after the death if Jesus
Jesus never came to make a law of his own but to complement the existing laws,so which of the book or ways or teachings if the old prophets have you christians incorporated into Christianity
Which of the books have you guys been able to link to Jesus -old testament,new,kjv?
The Quran has never changed and would never change,u know why?
The Quran was inspired to Muhammad through angel gabriel.when he relays its message,it's followers would write it down on leaves,barks of trees etc.these people were blessed with excellent memory to memorize it as it was revealed.after the death if the prophet,the Quran was compiled with the authority if the Islamic ruler at the time and concesus of the people who were with the prophets at the time.we have millions of Quran memorizers all over the world,if any one should quote what is not in the Quran,another person can counter that verse.tge same can not be said if the bible.what do I want to memorize?
The way the daughters if lut made their father drunk in order to sleep with him?
The way the son of Solomon lusted after his sister?

I can not learn about a religion where the picture of an actor became a focal point of prayers.come on,am not gullible and stupid.

The prophet came as a messenger to corroborate the law before him
The law of Moses,Abraham,Noah etc
We make no distinction amongst themselves as they came with the same message-monitheism
Each one of the prophets told their oeopley-i am the way,the truth and the light,nobody receives salvation except through them. Jesus was not an exception


Please abeg make una dey use una brain small

Realbarc:


So it wasn't Allah that reveal the Qur'an to mohammed it was angel Gabriel?

The so called angel Gabriel tried choking Mohammed?

All the Bible version had the same context message though different presentation fo all languages.unlike your Qur'an that was written in Arabic that most tribe in the world do not understand it making communication

See your excuse of version is lame. There are variants and version of the Qur'an acceptable by different sect. 26 of the versions. Google it bro.
I urge you to look at Jay ith critique on isl, mohammed on YouTube

Most of your prophets are Jews whoo mockedd mohammed . Simply put mohammed and your angel Gabriel who I believe is fake converted and twisted stories and concerted it to be a religion. Mohammed confused not collaborate the Torah and injil. Saying things that Mariam is Jesus mother show aention of error.

You don't accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. No problem , it is your choice and I won't forced anything on anybody. Just like nobody forced anything on me. I accepted after aplethra of evidence .

Till now you have failed to present a valid arguement.
Just arguing beer parlour style.

Gbemishile1:

Bros
U're saying rubbish
Walk the length and breadth of the world,u can never find another version of the Quran
It can not even see the light of day cus there are so many Hafiz memorizers in the world with a single complete authentic version of the quran.
Muhammed was given the message of Allah through angel gabriel.
It was revealed in the native language if the prophet as he ws unlettered and Allah wanted it's message to be better understood by it's people.
You guys are just confused lot
So that is why all the prophets that came before Jesus were all blasphemed,just to sell the theory if Jesus to you
Lot was raped by his own daughters
Son of Solomon lusted after his own sister
Solomon killed another many wife just so he could sleep with her,so many stupid and unfounded theories.
Christianity was never established a religion of Jesus
He never exalted himself far above himself
He was born of a woman
He established the laws of his predecessors,calling in his people to follow him that they may receive salvation.hus people asked him to give them a sign that he was truly sent,and he raised the dead with the power of his God
I no want wahala o

Realbarc:


Ok let me say a few things here.

It wasn't son of Solomon that lusted .. it was David and God punished him severely. Unlike m Mohammed who lusted after Zaid wife and Allah gave him a revealation tfor Zaid to divorce his wife and she got married to Mohammed? NO PUNISHMENT!!!! Or the Jewish woman who lost her husband to Mohammed fighting at kaiba and guess what? Her name is safiya...Mohammed slept with her that very might despite his wife.Aisha got angry and mohammed had to say that he wasn't going to repeat that.

Your prophet lusted after many ladies and it is no standard especially to 6 year old Aisha. and was never punished rather got many revealations that excused his shortcoming.
I could go on and on but rather refrain cos you will certainly get annoyed with fact which I urge you to check.

Jesus was prophesied before his birth
In the book of isiah he was called mighty God.
He was a Spirit sent from God unlike others , a word, a sign and can create. And was sinless .. it is all in your quran...
In his human form He was not to be worshipped. That is not the purpose he came down. He came down to substitute mankind on judgement day.


God manifest Himself in three primary way, as the father and the Spirit. The problem with isl is the manifest in the
fleshh which I believe is strongly as ..spirit from God
which was stated in your quran.. the same thing we Christian shout about.
If you don't believe his divinity , it is okay. There is no forcing but always refer to your Qur'an, ask questions from scholars on these. It wil help.

You mentioned only one quran.. well The predominant reading today, spread by Egyptian Quran readers, is that of Asim in the transmission of Hafs (d. 190/805). In Morocco, the reading is that of Nafi` in the transmission of Warsh (d. 197/812) and the Moroccan Qurans are written accordingly. In Sudan, Nigeria and Central Africa, the prevailing reading is that of Abu `Amr in the version of al-Duri. The transmissions of Hafs, Warsh, Qalun and Al-Duri are still in print today..

There are 26 variants of Qur'an even in arabic

You claim that great memoriser compiled the Qur'an. Really.. most of them died in battle....that caused panic and the Kuran was quickly compiled .

NB.. sorry if I offended you but like I said I try my best possible not to offend but to rebutt.. don't talk about lust by David or Solomon when there are key evidences against thee.

I might not respond to other argument for days cos I could be busy but pls pause, think and research.
Your opinion might be very crucial.

Gbemishile1:

The prophets that were sent spent their entire lives emulating what they wanted to preach to their people.
That is what was commanded of them,to practice what they teach.from Adam to Noah to Abraham etc.
They were seen as leaders and matters of social,economical and personal matters were brought to them for solutions.
The prophet married many wives,not because he personally wanted to,but it was to strenghten his ties with other tribes or nations.he married wives to explain as evident in the Quran, the women that are lawful for us as Muslims to marry.the prophet never asked Zaid to divorce his wife.it was much later when Zaid divorced his wife that the prophet married her.not as a matter of personal 'sex drive' but as an example of the kind of women that are lawful to marry.
The Quran was related to the prophet to settle matters concerning g the Muslims and cut accross all facets of life.some people would come to the prophet requesting he settle a dispute between them,from matters of business,family,personal etc.
Some people came to the prophet with intention of proving his prophethood by asking him matters of previous prophets and the sign they were given.that is the more reason why stories of past prophets were explained.the difference between the Quran and the Bible is the kind of perspective they were given.the Quran pictured them as pious and Noble people and prophet Muhammed followed their ways of life and taught us the prayers they all used when supplicating to Allah.
The Quran was written by those that spent their entire life around the prophet.they were so much blessed with wisdom they memorized it as it was revealed.this was more possible as it was their natural language.
They were written in pure Arabic form with no need of putting the signs for better explanation.
Defi itely those that are not Arabians needed the signs for better explanation,but the content is exactly the same.
The Isiah and revelation etc were written by who exactly? Were they present in the life of jesus.please the Bible was written many years after the life of Jesus by his prosecutors.most of his true followers had already dispersed and we're not present in the collation of the so called Bible
Jesus never was heard as Calling himself God,nor the word.its irritating and horrendous for me to think that the God I serve and seek favour and protection from was humiliated and spat on,crucified amongst thieves and had no power to save himself.its absurd and blasphemous to think my God thought the only way he could convince me to believe and worship him was to 'die' a horrible death so j can be saved.
The largest part of the Christian community carved a statue of that Jesus and bow down to it as a god.in the likeness of the person who acted the part of Jesus in the film,supplicating to it with the intention of having g their prayers answered.
Oga Ade,Christianity is a religion of the gullible
Jesus was,and will never be a Christian.

Realbarc:


Jesus was not an arab.
Jesus was mote than a Christian. He was Christ.

Mohamed is not a mohmedean , he was Mohammed.

Mohammed had special revelation from Allah excusing his immoral nature and aborent nature. His insatiable lust is well documented. A racist who never reckon with the blacks
The kabba is still an idolatry stone in honour of the moon goddess.

The satanic verse shows the three female goddess Mohamed was worshipping.

The Qur'an quotations of Jewish stories is full of errors just like the silly moses meat story.

Do mohammed married wife of other tribes after he killed Thier husbands?
Your defence show how weak you are.
Zaid wife controversy is really funny because the jews scold and scorn him to laughter. Pls don't defend mohammed cos you will never give your wife to anoda person on no account talklless of his adopted father. Really freakish.
Mohammed brought about the law of breastfeeding a grown man ten times with a womanif the man is to avoid sexual relationship with the woman. Really within his character.

And you have the nerve calling us gullible? Really. Please accuse us of the morality and sanctity of our religion . Then compare with yours.

Abeg park.... I need to discuss with a mature experienced guy.

Pls don't quote me


I am done with you.. your childish arguement are not the stuff I entertain

Realbarc:


Jesus was not an arab.
Jesus was mote than a Christian. He was Christ.

Mohamed is not a mohmedean , he was Mohammed.

Mohammed had special revelation from Allah excusing his immoral nature and aborent nature. His insatiable lust is well documented. A racist who never reckon with the blacks
The kabba is still an idolatry stone in honour of the moon goddess.

The satanic verse shows the three female goddess Mohamed was worshipping.

The Qur'an quotations of Jewish stories is full of errors just like the silly moses meat story.

Do mohammed married wife of other tribes after he killed Thier husbands?
Your defence show how weak you are.
Zaid wife controversy is really funny because the jews scold and scorn him to laughter. Pls don't defend mohammed cos you will never give your wife to anoda person on no account talklless of his adopted father. Really freakish.
Mohammed brought about the law of breastfeeding a grown man ten times with a womanif the man is to avoid sexual relationship with the woman. Really within his character.

And you have the nerve calling us gullible? Really. Please accuse us of the morality and sanctity of our religion . Then compare with yours.

Abeg park.... I need to discuss with a mature experienced guy.

Pls don't quote me


I am done with you.. your childish arguement are not the stuff I entertain

Gbemishile1:


Hehehe.very funny but refused to laugh
Muhammed brought about breastfeeding what?
Abeg park well
See,that's the beauty of my religion
I don't nees to be quoting one stupid verse to show or prove anything to you
Even as uneducated Muslim,if an educated sheik comes to tell me to do or believe in sonething,I will ask him to give me proof in the Quran and the Hadith of the prophet.if I see it there,then i will believe.if the king of Saudi Arabia,the birth place of the prophet,tells us Muslims to believe something,we will tell him to produce the verse in the Quran or where it was stated in the hadith.we do not take things hookline and sinkers Bros.
We use our brain.
The prophet married many wives,not out of personal wish but as a means if strenghtening ties with other tribes.some were offered to the prophet as a symbol of friendship.islam tells me the most important person in rites of marriage are the wife to be and her father.without it,.marriage isn't valid.
Oga. I no wan disturb myself
I can not kneel down for your statuic jesus.
I believe in all the prophet that weree sent down by Allah,they were people of distinction and very Noble people-adam,Noah,Abraham,Moses,lot,ayub,sulaimon,dawood,Jesus,muhammed.i believe in all the books that were sent down with them,and make no distinction between them.
Quran
Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.

The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in God and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference (Arabic: Nufarriqu) between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.
A true believer makes no distinction .
I believe in JESUS but not in your perspective
That is the difference between you and i

Realbarc:


mOHAMMED ENCORAGE BREAST FEEDING

Book 008, Number 3424:

' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man. 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.


BOWING DOWN TO JESUS STATUE
Also please don't bow to any Jesus statue
...
It is idolatry and a sin.....
IT IS CRAP.
I will never bow to any graven image. Pls I beg don't bow down to any statue.

ISSUE OF MUHAMMED MARRIAGE.
Muhmed never married to strengthen any affiliation..
He married after subjugating the tribes .
At kaibya, Mohamed killed the Jews and took safiya as slave.
He slept with her that very night despite his cliam for a month of menses to be over. Which he implement on your Islam faithful
He asked her accept his religion.
If you were safiya.. what will your answer be. Father,brother and husband killed and fearing for her life.


you still say that his marriage iS TO FOSTER ALLIANCE? TELL THAT TO YOUR GULLIBLE FRIENDS.

I AdmIRE YOUR COURAGE OF DEFENDING MOHAMMED BUT TIME WILL REVEAL TO YOU THE kIND OF PERSON HE TRULY IS.

I WILL NEVER DEFEND SOME Christian CULTURAL PRATICE LUKE STATUES NO mATTER THE INFLUENCE.
It is the laws of men entering into pure Christianity.

STOP GRndstanding for mohammed. He has moral issues o. His marriage to Aisha at 6 years old while playing with dolls?.
Please and please. Check o


JESUS
Jesus was not ISA who is brother to Jacob but Yesua. Another miserror that your Kuran had taught.
So I don't believe in your ISA As soany errors in the Kuran are listed.
The Kuran has another different Jesus and I must respect your perspective about that different Jesud

Again...
Jesus is not a Christian . He was Christ.


Matthew 16:13-20 New Life Version (NLV)
Peter Says Jesus Is the Christ
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?” 14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you


Peter never called Jesus a Christian. He called him Christ.

I rather believe people who were with Christ that some impersonator a century later saying contrary things.

I would rather believe Zaid story account about mohammed that another idiot coming years later and claming Muhammed says another thing. Sebi

Gbemishile1:

Please quote the hadih were breastfeeding an adult was recommended.that would make more sense to me.
Muhammad was monogamous for 25 years when married to his first wife, Khadija bint Khuwaylid. After her death in 619 CE, he over time married a number of women, most of them widows, for reasons of family bonds and to provide for them after his companions had died.
You just make research on the concept of Islam and you would find it simmilar to that practiced by earlier prophets.we make no distinction between any if them

We sent down the Torah, in which there is guidance and light, by which the Prophets who surrendered to God's will provided judgments for the Jewish people. Also, the rabbis and doctors of the Law (did likewise), according to that portion of God's Book with which they were entrusted, and they became witnesses to it as well…. Whoever does not judge by what God has sent down (including the Torah), they are indeed unbelievers. (5:44)
During the lifetime of the prophet,he made allegiance with the Jews and also transacted business with them.
He believed so much in his predecessors and often encouraged his followers to use the words they used in supplication to God.we pray in the way prophet ayub prayed when he was afflicted with sickness.we pray in the way prophet Jonah prayed in the belly of the fish.we observe the end layed down by prophet abraham.so many I can not count.all of them preached monotheism and were not placed higher above one another.thats the different between my religion and yours

When your pastors mention the word Jesus,what image comes to mind?
If that image is placed in the front door of your church or placed inside the church,would you refuse to enter the church or say u are not worshipping there cus that is not the likeness of Jesus.
Jesus is not God and will never be
Jesus isn't the son of God and will never be
He was saved from the Jews by ascending to heaven with the power if his God.he will return back to earth to live out his life and will eventually taste death as everybidy created from Adam will taste death.
That is what I believe and know

Adam was created from clay with no father or mother
Eve was created from the ribs of Adam with no mother
Jesus was created without a father but only the mother
That is the power of Allah
He creates what he will send,he only says to it-be and it will

Realbarc:
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Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3424:

Or better still Google it.


There is no image of Christ , I have before entering the Church. Stop insert image or statue into this conversation
As you know my stance. Any church with image or statue I Avoid. It was never mention in the Bible this an error introduced by traditions of men just like rosary, bead counting to memorise.

Jesus has so many attribute that Adam never had.. we have discuss this before. Why did Allah grant these special attribute to only a single individual.

Jesus was saved from the Jews by whom and why? He is in heaven and will return a particular day? Interesting!!!. Another attributes. Keep these coming in!!!!

Why wasn't Mohammed saved fr Food poisoning that led to his death despite having revelation from angel jubril and jinns,
Why didn't Allah step in and took Muhammed to heaven

See your believe system does not change facts as listed above. I ask for your research within your heart.

Hadith also records that Jesus was sinless. Muhammad himself believed this! It is recorded in Sahih Muslim (Vol 4, pg 1261):

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (saw) as saying: The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him with the exception of Mary and her son.

Another attribute? I believe you know that everyone is responsible for his action. Sin faultless state comes from our dealings, state of mind ,affairs b etc. But Jesus was different.
Kindly look into this

Gbemishile1:



Sayyida A�isha (may Allah be pleased with her) reports that Salim, the freed-slave of Abu Hudhayfa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i.e. the daughter of Suhayl and wife of Abu Hudhayfa) came to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and said: �Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he has began to understand what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, think that Abu Hudhayfa feels uncomfortable with this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to her: �Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear.� She returned and said: �I have suckled him and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhayfa has disappeared.� (Sahih Muslim)

Before coming to any sort of conclusion, we need to first understand the background and context of this incident. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his commentary of Sahih Muslim:

�Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma�qal�Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur�an �Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers�.� (Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5) was revealed, the ruling of adopting children was abrogated (in that one can no longer consider an adopted son to be one�s own). However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came close to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them (and was brought up by them), hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to Sahla: �Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear� hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)�� (al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186, Dar Ibn Kathir print)

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since childhood. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and an adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab are applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa�d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one�s unclothedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa�d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

This leaves us with the question whether is it allowed for an adult to drink breast-milk, and what implications would that hold?

It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst the majority of the Muslim jurists (fuqaha) that suckling is not permitted after two (or 2 and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said:
suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.� (Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455) The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also said: �Suckling (radha�a) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (m: meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning.� (Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

Due to the above narrations, all four Sunni schools of Islamic law are in agreement that suckling and breastfeeding will only be considered (i.e. in effecting the rules of marriage and Hijab) if it takes place in the period designated for it, and it is of no significance after that period.

Thus, scholars mention that the permission given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Sahla to give her milk to Salim was a special dispensation and an isolated case, and it cannot be generalized. Imam Abu al-Abbas al-Qurtubi (Allah have mercy on him) states that all of the Prophet�s wives with the exception of A�isha (Allah be pleased with them all) considered this to be a special dispensation, and this is the view taken by the majority of early (salaf) and late (khalaf) scholars. They considered the Hadith to be specific with Salim and Sahla, and are of the opinion that it is not permitted for an adult to drink breast-milk. If an adult did drink breast-milk, it will be of no consequence with regards to marriage and the rules of Hijab. (See: al-Mufhim, 4/186-187 & I�la al-Sunan, 11/119)
Moreover, Umm Salama, the wife of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to say: �All the wives of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) rejected the idea that one can come to them (without observing the rules of Hijab) with this type of breastfeeding (i.e. the suckling of an adult), hence they said to A�isha (Allah be pleased with her): �By Allah, we do not consider this but a dispensation given by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) for Salim. No one is to be allowed to enter (our houses) with this type of fosterage and we do not subscribe to this view.� (Sahih Muslim, no: 1454)

Thus, in conclusion, it is not permitted for an adult to intentionally drink breast-milk; neither will it have any bearing on the rules of Hijab and marriage. The companion Salim (Allah be pleased with him) was given a special dispensation by the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to drink the milk of Sahla, the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, due to the special circumstances of their case. However, Salim did not directly drink the milk from the breast of Sahla, rather, she would pour the milk in a utensil and he would drink from it. Allah knows best.

Realbarc:



Aisha the wife does not think so that it was meant for fosteren. Remember it was her that got the revealation of breastfeeding

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik 30.2.12—Sahla bint Suhayl, who was the wife of Abu Hudhayfa, and one of the tribe of Amr ibn Lu'ayy, came to the Messenger of Allah, and said, "Messenger of Allah! We think of Salim as a son and he comes in to see me when I am uncovered. We only have one room, so what do you think about the situation?" The Messenger of Allah said, "Give him five drinks of your milk and he will be mahram [illegal to marry] by it." She then saw him as a foster-son.

Aisha, Umm al-Muminin [Mother of the Believers], took that as a precedent for whatever men she wanted to be able to come to see her. She ordered her sister, Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq and the daughters of her brother to give milk to whichever men she wanted to be able to come in to see her.


The rest of the wives of the Prophet refused to let anyone come in to them by such nursing. They said, "No, by Allah! We think that what the Messenger of Allah ordered Sahla bint Suhayl to do was only by an indulgence concerning the nursing of Salim alone. No, by Allah! No-one will come in upon us by such nursing!"





Sorry .. thoery of fostering via breast milk busted.

Another defence still coming up.

Gbemishile1:

Are you blind that u can not see that it was only practiced by the said woman only for that instance and was never followed by any of the wives of the prophet.
Check the subsequent hadiths that followed and not just handpick a particular Hadith.
The wife if the prophet +Aisha never gave birth and could not have produced milk to Foster a child let alone an adult.
The issue of fostering was in existence before the Advent if Islam.

Realbarc:


You fall my hand.

Hafsa practices it, Fatima was an accomplice.

Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik 30.1.8—Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Safiyya bint Abi Ubayd told him that Hafsa, Umm al-Muminin [Mother of the Believers], sent Asim ibn Abdullah ibn Sa'd to her sister, Fatima bint Umar ibn al-Khattab, for her to suckle him ten times so that he could come in to see her. She did it, so he used to come in to see her.


Aisha gave her apperoval and was an accomplice intact the other wife conplian on an aisha

Her alibi? Mohammed gave her the revelation.

No wonder they are using proxies..

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I really am flabbergasted.

frickyjohn:
Science is not the way. Science is still confused about many things.