Ibime:


You're the one who confuse vision and dribbling. They are not the same thing.

Vision is what we call sharp sharp hotel - pass and cross delivered quickly and accurately before the opposition know what hit them

you are mistaking style of play to vision. i think that is where you are having the problem.




now, can you tell me the metric that can be used to measure this vision. what stat can we look at and say that this player has good vision or not?

Greatihex:
you are mistaking style of play to vision. i think that is where you are having the problem.




now, can you tell me the metric that can be used to measure this vision. what stat can we look at and say that this player has good vision or not?

Football Vision: ability to pick a defense splitting pass from anywhere on a regular basis. Messi,kdb and fabregas comes to mind.

raumdeuter:


So what point have you made here? Bayerns main target was Sane who got injured and had to settle for Coutinho

When Sane was available no one looked at Coutinho and we saw how his career at Barcelona went

If Bayern sign shakushaku ikebe Hazard tomorrow, will you type - Welcome Eden or Welcome shakushku master?

Not in this world will i type Welcome Jerome, if Chelsea sign that calamitous Boathand, no matter the situation. If i do, maybe i'm mocking his coming or maybe i just finish multiple bottles of cognac.

So, you welcoming someone inferior to shakushaku Hazard to your team, with trumpet, was shocking.

Greatihex:
you are mistaking style of play to vision. i think that is where you are having the problem.


now, can you tell me the metric that can be used to measure this vision. what stat can we look at and say that this player has good vision or not?

Vision I think is the ability to continually spot the runs of attackers behind the defense to create clear goal scoring chances.

However I don't think there is a clear metric to measure this particular football ability. Passing accuracy comes to mind but I don't think that it describes it perfectly.

donjazet:


I have noticed that a lot of our fans here let sentiments cloud their judgement. KDB has clearly been more productive than hazard the last 5 years.
People seem to forget that last season under Sarri was Hazard's personal best. 31 goals plus assist was his best, which in turn is inferior to other top attackers in the game.

What's your own definition of productivity in soccer?.

Did you consider many essential factors, affecting players performances, before jumping into this bogus conclusion?

How did both perform when they played in the same team, under the same coach?

donjazet:

31 goals plus assist was his best, which in turn is inferior to other top attackers in the game.

Who had more than that in epl last season? Oh, top attackers are not in epl. This your line is ridiculous

donjazet:

Vision I think is the ability to continually spot the runs of attackers behind the defense to create clear goal scoring chances.

However I don't think there is a clear metric to measure this particular football ability. Passing accuracy comes to mind but I don't think that it describes it perfectly.

well, for me, vision is the ability of a player to spot the opportunity to play a creative pass or makes a movement with or without the ball that opens up an opposition defense.


now, to a large extent the number of chances created by a player can determine how visionary the player is.

Ibime:


You're the one who confuse vision and dribbling. They are not the same thing.

Vision is what we call sharp sharp hotel - pass and cross delivered quickly and accurately before the opposition know what hit them

The assist De Bruyne gave Sterling for City's first goal against Spurs was a prime example of vision.

That pass was so swift, disruptive and pin-point accurate, the Spurs backline were stunned with disbelief at how he pulled that off.

DeadPresidents:


The assist De Bruyne gave Sterling for City's first goal against Spurs was a prime example of vision.

That pass was so swift, disruptive and pin-point accurate, the Spurs backline were stunned with disbelief at how he pulled that off.

You get am

Ibime:


You get am

I swear the thing do me like feem trick. The ninja no even do, "ready, steady, go". One time.

Kevin de Bruyne doesn't cross. He unleashes heat-seeking projectiles.

airmark:


If Bayern sign shakushaku ikebe Hazard tomorrow, will you type - Welcome Eden or Welcome shakushku master?

Not in this world will i type Welcome Jerome, if Chelsea sign that calamitous Boathand, no matter the situation. If i do, maybe i'm mocking his coming or maybe i just finish multiple bottles of cognac.

So, you welcoming someone inferior to shakushaku Hazard to your team, with trumpet, was shocking.

Anybody my team signs is welcome whether I like him or not

thorrvik55:


Bayern's main target was Hudson Odoi, sir.

You guys tapped him up since last year and promised him different different things.
The target only changed from Hudson Odoi to Sane after Odoi decided not to push for a move.

I remember there were also a couple of rejected offers for him last season.

Bayern told you Odoi was their main target? Yet they are bidding 100M for Sane and not for Odoi

No matter how much you like a player, there are just arguements you shouldn't dare get into because of your personal likeness.. You risk looking very foolish..

Why put Hazard and KDB in same sentence with "vision/assist"..They're both very good players but its obvious one is heads and shoulders above the other..

DeadPresidents:


I swear the thing do me like feem trick. The ninja no even do, "ready, steady, go". One time.

Kevin de Bruyne doesn't cross. He unleashes heat-seeking projectiles.

Every pass has your name on it, unlike those who just dribble to line, flash imprecise ball in box and call it chance created.

DeadPresidents:


I swear the thing do me like feem trick. The ninja no even do, "ready, steady, go". One time.

Kevin de Bruyne doesn't cross. He unleashes heat-seeking projectiles.

That pass was mad. Dude just received the ball and unleashed it immediately without thinking.


Forget matter o, KDB is truth.

SkimpleD:

That pass was mad. Dude just received the ball and unleashed it immediately without thinking.


Forget matter o, KDB is truth.

But kroos a side ways pass merchant is better .

SkimpleD:

That pass was mad. Dude just received the ball and unleashed it immediately without thinking.


Forget matter o, KDB is truth.

Who is now the lie?

This table u are shaking ehn

raumdeuter:


Bayern told you Odoi was their main target? Yet they are bidding 100M for Sane and not for Odoi

Several bids were rejected for Odoi who had one year left on his contract.

Bayern never made an official bid for Sane(just backyard articles carrying fake news up and down). They only made enquiry about the possibility of a transfer and City made them know their stance on it.

They were tapping Sane up with the hope that he will force a move to Bayern before his injury.

raumdeuter:


Anybody my team signs is welcome whether I like him or not

Not sure you welcomed the arrival of Hummels, the way you did to this 'inferior to Hazard' player, with pomp and pageantry.

CrystalTiger:
No matter how much you like a player, there are just arguements you shouldn't dare get into because of your personal likeness.. You risk looking very foolish..

Why put Hazard and KDB in same sentence with "vision/assist"..They're both very good players but its obvious one is heads and shoulders above the other..

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....

Segedinho:

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but [/b]chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....[b]

Back up this rubbish with stats

Segedinho:

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....

I want donjazet to reply me first, before i take him to school.

Segedinho:

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....

So simple to grasp but yet difficult to understand for some hazard haters here.

thorrvik55:


Several bids were rejected for Odoi who had one year left on his contract.

Bayern never made an official bid for Sane(just backyard articles carrying fake news up and down). They only made enquiry about the possibility of a transfer and City made them know their stance on it.

They were tapping Sane up with the hope that he will force a move to Bayern before his injury.

Odoi was an 18yr old project, Sane is a ready material

Given the option between the 2 almost everyone will pick Sane

airmark:


Not sure you welcomed the arrival of Hummels, the way you did to this 'inferior to Hazard' player, with pomp and pageantry.

English is your problem. With which pomp and pageantry? Welcome phillipe is now Pomp and pageantry? When you hear people use grammar above your IQ level ask them what it means before disgracing yourself

This was my post last week suggesting we get Coutinho on loan. Do you suggest loan for a player you desire? This is why common sense always elude you

raumdeuter:

What direction should the Sane saga go now? He has torn his ACL and could be out for 6-12months

Bayern still need wingers. Do you think it makes sense to buy an injured Sane and gamble on him regaining fitness or we wait to see how the injury and healing pans out

I dont know if we should do a Kevin Durant and hope he heals or just wait it out and get someone like Coutinho on loan

Segedinho:

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....

Nonsense.

Hazard chance be like ball wey he just flash for box after he dribble reach line. Striker go dey tussle with 3 men to take one unbalanced shot.

KDB chance na clear chance, just you and keeper.

That's why una dey shout Hazard chance created, Hazard chance created when he was dropping 5 league assist in 2016/17. Fabregas meanwhile was putting Costa clean through on keeper to be taking all the assists.

No be the same Costa they both played with?

Lord, if you give me chance in this life, let it be painless like KDB and Fabregas chance, not the one I will still be battling with opposition like Hazard chance.

Ibime:


Nonsense.

Hazard chance be like ball wey he just flash for box after he dribble reach line. Striker go dey tussle with 3 men to take one unbalanced shot.

KDB chance na clear chance, just you and keeper.

That's why una dey shout Hazard chance created, Hazard chance created when he was dropping 5 league assist in 2016/17. Fabregas meanwhile was putting Costa clean through on keeper to be taking all the assists.

No be the same Costa they both played with?

Lord, if you give me chance in this life, let it be painless like KDB and Fabregas chance, not the one I will still be battling with opposition like Hazard chance.

Ameeeeeeeeen o!!!!

airmark:


What's your own definition of productivity in soccer?.

Did you consider many essential factors, affecting players performances, before jumping into this bogus conclusion?
How did both perform when they played in the same team, under the same coach?
Who had more than that in epl last season? Oh, top attackers are not in epl. This your line is ridiculous

Listen, I like hazard as a player, he was obviously our best player for the last few years.

However, my sentiments for him does not mean that I would not be objective when it comes to comparison with other top stars of the game.

Productivity for an attacker clearly is measured by the number of goals, assists and clear goal scoring chances created.
We both know that hazard is not direct and selfish, attributes that other star players possess.

Hazard and KDB don't play same roles but KDB has better stats than him, explain why that should be, bear in mind, hazard is more advanced.

popizaino:



So simple to grasp but yet difficult to understand for some hazard haters here.

Segedinho:

Assists depends on the finisher whereas chances created doesn't

My point is,a player isn't rated due to assists but chances created and hazard is heads nd shoulder above KDB....

Oya tell us another lie

See the number of games played and the number of big chances created

airmark:


I want donjazet to reply me first, before i take him to school.

Which school? University of misinformation and sentiments.

In 122 EPL games KDB created 69 big chances
In 245 EPL appearances(double) Hidden created 67 big chances

donjazet:
Which school? University of misinformation and sentiments.

airmark citadel of learning where he enrolled thorvik55, hazardfan1, segedinho

Ibime:


Nonsense.

Hazard chance be like ball wey he just flash for box after he dribble reach line. Striker go dey tussle with 3 men to take one unbalanced shot.

KDB chance na clear chance, just you and keeper.

That's why una dey shout Hazard chance created, Hazard chance created when he was dropping 5 league assist in 2016/17. Fabregas meanwhile was putting Costa clean through on keeper to be taking all the assists.

No be the same Costa they both played with?

Lord, if you give me chance in this life, let it be painless like KDB and Fabregas chance, not the one I will still be battling with opposition like Hazard chance.

Are they chances created at all

Why are they call chances created??