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midnighter:
The men in govt are mediocre so they should let some equally mediocre women in too if they are serious...

We should all be mediocre together...

this comment shows some of you are not serious. Who is stopping more ladies to engage in politics.....you need a thick skin to go into politics,it is not only in Nigeria. you will only waste your time ranting if you think it will given to you as a privilege........

lagoskind:
Ok now. You can start addressing those social factors too in your own little capacity. All I know is that men won't back down or soft pedal on their own ambitions just because women want more opportunities. Go hard or go home is the name of the game honey.

Yea of course they shouldn't soft pedal anything, nobody wants them to. I just mean that we all should be given a fair chance and the systems we inhabit should reflect that

Bizibi:
this comment shows some of you are not serious. Who is stopping more ladies to engage in politics.....you need a thick skin to go into politics,it is not only in Nigeria. you will only waste your time ranting if you think it will given to you as a privilege........

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, try to read between the lines...

Zane2point4:
Low financial empowerment you say?
So if them no gather all the women and share dem money they wont strive?
Abeg as for me women get equal opportunity if not more than men sef,
Onces a beautiful girl submit her cv, the employee will take her immediately discarding the male with more qualified cert sef.
The grls are just busy dis days twerking and sampling nyash for Instagram.

Lol OK

lagoskind:
Ok now. You can start addressing those social factors too in your own little capacity. All I know is that men won't back down or soft pedal on their own ambitions just because women want more opportunities. Go hard or go home is the name of the game honey.

leave her,if she had watch how Clinton handled Trump's political games, she won't rant here. Some think politics is holier than thou,they don't know the dirtiness and hypocrisy in it.

Always demanding for rights and economic opportunities, but still see men as the provider for home.

I wonder what men will look like in 10, 20 years, especially the youth.

Divepen1:
Oh oh! I get ya now.
But I will only talk when it's the system causing the setback and not the black man giving up.
It might be true that the system has created little rooms for women but it's also true that a lot of women are not pushing hard enough.
See the women that went for the last presidential race. Their major support comes from men that feel they can do it. So, I will tilt my opinion towards his argument that women should aspire to be better since they have the capacity for it.

Yeah they are not pushing hard enough, but I think some would push harder if it were not for certain factors and attitudes.

Yes, I saw those women, their efforts were good but unfortunately they received a low portion of the vote. At least they tried

midnighter:
Yea of course they shouldn't soft pedal anything, nobody wants them to. I just mean that we all should be given a fair chance and the systems we inhabit should reflect that

Well, I think you're cool sha. Most ladies I've come across are those who abuse the feminism thing. I believe in equal rights, just that women must understand that there won't always be a free quota for them. If men struggle to get things, women should too, that's equality. But women want things on a platter of gold and when they can't keep up with the competition, it's "a man world"

lagoskind:
Well, I think you're cool sha. Most ladies I've come across are those who abuse the feminism thing. I believe in equal rights, just that women must understand that there won't always be a free quota for them. If men struggle to get things, women should too, that's equality. But women want things on a platter of gold and when they can't keep up with the competition, it's "a man world"

I understand you but how is it fair if women are struggling in an already rigged system? Everybody should work for what they want, why do some people have to work more than others, against the tide? That's just my issue with Amaechi's statement

If he must comment then he should acknowledge the societal infrastructures that keep women down, before he starts on how lazy or uncommitted or whatever we are

Misogyny is currently the sweetest word in mouth of 3rd wave feminists, playing victimhood to get attention, brainwash young female ladies and bash men.

midnighter:
The men in govt are mediocre so they should let some equally mediocre women in too if they are serious...

We should all be mediocre together...

Why should they let women in?

Who let the men in?

midnighter:
Not who, but what

Intimidation, endemic misogyny in educational, political and religious institutions, pressure on women to prioritise marriage and "keeping a man" above all else from a young age, low prosecution rates for rapes and sexual assaults, gender wage gaps (low financial empowerment) ...should I continue...

These are insidious and entrenched societal ills that need tackling, he shouldn't be making flippant remarks about seducing men into signing contracts

Why can't he just leave it if he has nothing in particular to say

@bold:

Have you seen any woman really serious in politics site the above as an example?

If you tell me some husbands act as stumbling block, I would agree with you.

The question is now: why did the wife choose a destiny killer out of the 3 billion men in the world?

If I remember correctly, you were still saying a wife should be ready to move with her pastor husband in the thread with pastor husband.

You believed the wife should dump her school and follow the husband to where ever when the need arises.

That is a business woman whose business would be killed.

Would it be correct to say misogyny etc etc is responsible for lower female business owners?

bukatyne:
Why should they let women in?

Who let the men in?

It was just a sarcastic turn of phrase.

They shouldn't "let" anybody in. But the opportunity should be equally available or rather there should be equal ability to pursue it

bukatyne:
@bold:

Have you seen any woman really serious in politics site the above as an example?

If you tell me some husbands act as stumbling block, I would agree with you.

The question is now: why did the wife choose a destiny killer out of the 3 billion men in the world?

Nope, we do not have to see people cite anything to know that these structures exist and that they discourage people

1 100% agree with Amechi today.

Any woman prevented from buying a form or contesting should take it up so we have a case.

midnighter:
Nope, we do not have to see people cite anything to know that these structures exist and that they discourage people

I have come to learn that nothing can stop a determined person.

They might miss their timeline, sacrifice more than budgeted, fail along the way however,

They will reach the goal.

Women should have the determination.

midnighter:
It was just a sarcastic turn of phrase.

They shouldn't "let" anybody in. But the opportunity should be equally available or rather there should be equal ability to pursue it

My dear,

The opportunities are there.

Equally.

bukatyne:
@bold:

Have you seen any woman really serious in politics site the above as an example?

If you tell me some husbands act as stumbling block, I would agree with you.

The question is now: why did the wife choose a destiny killer out of the 3 billion men in the world?

If I remember correctly, you were still saying a wife should be ready to move with her pastor husband in the thread with pastor husband.

You believed the wife should dump her school and follow the husband to where ever when the need arises.

That is a business woman whose business would be killed.

Would it be correct to say misogyny etc etc is responsible for lower female business owners?

Answering what you've added

I didn't say that's what I believed, I said that typically pastors wives move wherever their husbands go, therefore I didn't understand why the man's wife was refusing to move if she went into marriage knowing that she married a pastor and all it entails except if they discussed something else beforehand.

Pastors wives, politicians wives, etc all have particular social obligations which they will be aware of when they go into it. Like a governor's wife is not going to refuse to accompany him on his campaign trail because she knew the deal already.

That's why I was trying to ask him if they had any discussion about this before he came to complain. I don't particularly like it but we came to advise the guy and that's what the Christian perspective is, as we have interpreted it

Yes, this is the type of societal construct that I am talking about. If I hear about a certain issue I will still be realistic even if I do not like or agree with the circumstances that give rise to it.

bukatyne:
My dear,

The opportunities are there.

Equally.

Yes, but are people equally given the chance to pursue them?

Like black people abroad are "free" to make anything of themselves, yet it would be foolish to say that racism doesn't exist and people still strive to create a more level playing field. Even though everybody should determine their path in life and not blame his failure on "being black" certain social constructs exist that make it more difficult

Acknowledging flaws in a system is not the same as telling people to hand you everything on a golden platter.

bukatyne:
1 100% agree with Amechi today.

Any woman prevented from buying a form or contesting should take it up so we have a case.

That would have been a good example. I was even about to ask Midnighter ways these wathom settings can be remedied.

Right now, boys are being sidelined because of the fight for gender equality. Let's simply teach these girls grit instead of placing vacancies for "Female Business Writer".

Divepen1:
That would have been a good example. I was even about to ask Midnighter ways these wathom settings can be remedied.

Right now, boys are being sidelined because of the fight for gender equality. Let's simply teach these girls grit instead of placing vacancies for "Female Business Writer".

I didn't get you, you were going to ask me what?

On the other hand I am not advocating for those kinds of vacancies. I only felt that Amaechi shouldn't be so quick to trivialise the ways in which life is more difficult for women in our society.

I don't think every woman who rails against the system is "entitled", neither is calling us "manipulators" really called for, though I understand what he was suggesting. I take exception to those words.

Citizenshelm:
Minister of Transportation, Rotimi Amaechi, has urged women in the maritime industry to stop marketing gender inequality as reason for their lack of appointments into political positions.

Speaking at the 2019 World Maritime Day celebration in Lagos on Thursday, Amaechi urged women to focus on building their competence and lifting one another.

The former Rivers State governor said women get appointments on merit.

“I don’t agree with you on the idea of gender because the struggle is not peculiar to Nigeria alone, it’s everywhere in the world. It’s about the class you belong because there are millions of women and men who are dying of hunger,” he said.

“Women get appointments because they merit the appointment. I have female friends who are very educated.

“And one is Amina Mohammed who was a special adviser to the former Secretary-General of the United Nations. It was when Mr President visited the United States and saw Amina that he was impressed with her and made her a minister.

“Amina got to where she is today because she has a vision and wouldn’t listen to distractions. Life is about courage.

“So I will urge women in maritime to stop begging because it is their entitlement. Women are manipulators and can manipulate men to sign what they wouldn’t want to sign. Women are more brilliant.”

Minister of state for transportation, Gbemisola Saraki, who also spoke at the event, called for an increased amount of scholarship and mentorship to boost female participation in the shipping sector.

http://igberetvnews.com/1026658/women-should-stop-begging-for-government-appointments-amaechi/

This contest wasn't referring to politics but to female seafarers in the maritime industry by the IMO on WORLD MARITIME DAY and as used during DAY OF THE SEAFARER on June 25th this year theme: I'm onboard with Gender inequality.

Nigerian Navy’s first female two-star general, Rear Adm. Itunu Hotonu (rtd) said on Thursday there was need to do away with discriminatory laws and practices which held women back, to achieve true gender equality.

Hotonu said this at the 2019 World Maritime Day Celebration in Lagos, themed “Empowering Women in the Maritime Community”.

According to her, women have long been in the maritime industry in Nigeria, but as usual, as unsung heroes.

She said that there must be strategies for empowering women so that participation would remain on an upward trajectory.

She listed the strategies as: early and focused education, role model and mentorship programme, provision of enabling environment and building women for roles to meet challenges of dynamic leadership.

“Research has shown that economies thrive when there is good gender balance and women are often dynamic leaders of change.

“However, discriminatory laws still hold some women back and a lot is due to cultural and societal barriers, but even a fair share is due to women themselves.

“Mentoring by role models will go a long way in changing these dynamics,” she said.

Hotonu said that the maritime environment had barriers to the involvement of women in shipping, but the society needed to understand that underestimating women would lead to shortchanging terms of operational effectiveness.

She said that when women are exposed to maritime education and experience, the results for the maritime environment would be tremendously progressive.

Hotonu said it was time to acknowledge that women are naturally endowed with unique leadership skills, which if harnessed, would further strengthen the maritime environment.

According to her, sensitising the girl child and making the industry attractive are important in ensuring women participation in the industry.

She said that moving forward, it was time for women to begin to own ships as a matter of course and occupy leadership positions in various sectors of the industry.

“It is time for women to be involved in greater numbers in tapping of Marine resources such as commercial fishing, Marine mining and others.

“It is time to train women who put to sea, equip them with experience, enough education and adequate training,” Hotonu said.

The Managing Director, Nigerian Ports Authority (NPA), Ms. Hadiza Bala Usman urged policy makers to put out policies that would support girls getting and staying in employment in the maritime industry.

She also said that there was need to accommodate the dynamic nature of women to enable them to thrive in the industry.

Also, Mrs Ify Akerele, former Director General, Nigerian Chamber of Shipping (NCS), urged women to move away from mediocrity and embrace knowledge.

According to her, women should research and look at other countries to see how they do things. She urged them to get serious and be practical in what they do.

bukatyne:
I have come to learn that nothing can stop a determined person.

They might miss their timeline, sacrifice more than budgeted, fail along the way however,

They will reach the goal.

Women should have the determination.

You have addressed something different to what I said

midnighter:
Not who, but what

Intimidation, endemic misogyny in educational, political and religious institutions, pressure on women to prioritise marriage and "keeping a man" above all else from a young age, low prosecution rates for rapes and sexual assaults, gender wage gaps (lower financial empowerment)...should I continue...

These are insidious and entrenched societal ills that need tackling, he shouldn't be making flippant remarks about seducing men into signing contracts

Why can't he just leave it if he has nothing in particular to say

All this things you listed doesn't stop some woman from being bread winners..... hope u know that.

francisisking:
All this things you listed doesn't stop some woman from being bread winners..... hope u know that.

I never said they did, dont misunderstand me.